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[Anonymous No.22046640]

Let's discuss what is the best hardware wallet.

Because it seems all of them are kinda shit.

Ledger is closed source and made in France. No idea what they put on their device. Maybe it directly sends your balance to the French tax man. Who knows. And their ledger live has been exploited multiple time now.

Trezor is better from the software side, but makes shitty hardware. You literally need 15 minutes physical access to their device and you can extract the seed.

What do you guys use and why?

[Anonymous No.22046709]

Is this your photo OP? do you own all these wallets?

[Anonymous No.22046727]

>>22046709
Nop. Random photo

[Anonymous No.22046729]

Watch out for guys like him >>22046517

[Anonymous No.22046745]

Ledger. Bought one based on a reddit post and have been using it for 3 years now. Currently securing multiple hundreds of thousands and not a single problem. If they were a scammer company, they would've scammed me out of that money already. As for faulty software, that's on you. Never connect the Ledger to a computer that isn't 100% clean with a trusted version of the software you're going to use. Kind of basic rules, but idiots keep fucking it up.

[Anonymous No.22046750]

>>22046640
i bought mine from epson.

[Anonymous No.22046772]

>>22046745
imagine giving the mafia your xpubs so they know exactly where you live and how much you've got.

good luck pretending your diversion wallet is the real one once they start torturing you.

[Anonymous No.22046776]

>>22046640
>Ledger is closed source
that's not so ba-
>and made in France
sold 100k

[Anonymous No.22046794]

>>22046772
Take meds

[Anonymous No.22046802]

>>22046772
But they don't know it. I've moved a couple of times since I bought that one. If I were to buy one now I'd have it delivered to some mail box in a far away city though. It's a good point, people don't think about that one really.

[Anonymous No.22046803]

Coldcard is hands down the best. Open source, airgapped, many unique security features. And its Bitcoin only.

[Anonymous No.22046807]

>>22046745
I too own a ledger. But then once in a while you see posts like this and it scares me.

[Anonymous No.22046849]

>>22046807
That is some guy setting himself up for tax evasion. I'm not buying his story at all.

[Anonymous No.22046875]

>>22046849
this. 100%

[Anonymous No.22046883]

>>22046794

[Anonymous No.22047287]

>>22046807
Literally says electrum there, learn to read.

[Anonymous No.22047442]

>>22046640
Paper wallet, simple and plain.
*sips*

[Anonymous No.22047544]

bought a trezor from their website and a few weeks later i noticed a small sum of money charged from my card to amazon video that i didn't recognize. called my bank and asked them to remove it. they said that their system had already noticed that someone was making suspicious purchases with my card and that a new card was already on it's way. apparently someone had made like three purchases like this but got rejected, googled some and found out it's common that they do this with stolen debit card numbers, try some small amounts first and see if they can slip through, then they try larger amounts.
all this happened last month. haven't bought anything else out of the ordinary in the recent past so i suspect that it's trezor and their shady czech republic payment processor that got my debit card number in the hands of criminals.

[Anonymous No.22047580]

>>22046745
>never connect the ledger to a computer that isn't 100% clean

that ruins the whole point of buying a hardware wallet

[Anonymous No.22047608]

I own a ledger, zero problems so far. Ledger live is kinda shit tho so I usually use it to connect to metamask or mew.

[Anonymous No.22047640]

>>22046849
>electrum
yea me neither

[Anonymous No.22047663]

>>22046745
>Never connect the Ledger to a computer that isn't 100% clean with a trusted version of the software you're going to use
This doesn't matter at all

[Anonymous No.22047701]

I have a ledger and trezor, I've gone off ledger after the eshop data breach and the issues with firmware updates, just comes across as incompetent. Make sure to use the passphrase feature

[Anonymous No.22047732]

>>22046640
It's very unlikely for someone to track you down and beat you up for your Trezor if you dont run around in the park waving it around like a rodeo rope.

Just try as much as possible not to lose it, and in the event you do, you have the seeds written down. This is the lesser of the two evils (vs having to worry that your seeds are with (((them))) )

[Anonymous No.22047823]

>>22046745
If I know the computer is safe, why do I need a hardware wallet at all?

[Anonymous No.22047865]

>>22047701
What are your thought on the Trezor Recovery Phrase Extraction Vulnerability

[Anonymous No.22048027]

Ledger sent me a Ledger nano s that was firmware 1.1, go to update it and it says you can't update 1.1 or 1.2 wtf

it arrived a week ago and is bricked on arrival because they apparently don't support older versions of their devices but still have them in the warehouse. I tried installing the old chrome manager but they discontinued support for it too even though it worked way better than Ledger live. the only solution seems to be to spend even more money shipping back the brick they sent me.

[Anonymous No.22048223]

>>22047865

The pass phrase is the current work around, i think that is okay. You are betting open sourced vs closed source for security and will have pros and cons of each. I would say the primary purpose of the hardware wallet is so you don't get hacked, if you were super paranoid you could put it in a safe deposit box at the bank. Just be smart, don't annouce to the world you have one and hide it somewhere safe, chuck a pass phrase on it so the seed is protected.

[Anonymous No.22048267]

>>22047865
>>22046640
if I knew where you lived and physically stole your house keys, I'd need less than 15 min to break in. it's bulkshit people claiming trezor is shit cause it can be hacked physically - nigga I can steal your laptop physically, that doesn't stop you locking your front door.

[Anonymous No.22048322]

>>22048223
But if I have access to your Trezor, all I need is a keylogger on your computer. Basically I just need access to your house.

[Anonymous No.22048331]

>>22047442
> be me
> be newfag
> drink Ovaltine

[Anonymous No.22048354]

Thoughts on using tails os for wallet?

[Anonymous No.22048471]

>>22047544
That's fucked, not trezor related but I had a similar thing happen a couple of years ago, no idea how they could have gotten my card info.

[Anonymous No.22048488]

>>22048322

The point of a hardware wallet is that you need to physically confirm any transaction on the device, and the private key never leaves the hardware wallet. The manufacturers hype up the security aspect of it but it really only applies to it being hack proof over the internet. You are also simplifying things, if you have access to my trezor that means you know I have one and have broken into my house, I have much bigger problems to worry about.

[Anonymous No.22048605]

OK, so what is the consensus? Trezor or ledger?

[Anonymous No.22048688]

>>22048354
fundamentally flawed in that you’d have to use the persistent storage which TAILS team notes expands attack surface

[Anonymous No.22049192]

>>22047442
>Be sure to drink your Ovaltine!
lmaooooooo

[Anonymous No.22049257]

>>22046640
>What do you guys use and why?
A piece of paper in a safe with my seed phrase written on it. Physical hardware wallets are a meme

[Anonymous No.22049425]

>>22046640
> Get old pc
> whipe everything
> start special linux distro from usb stick
> insert second usb stick
> copy pasts keys on said stick
> encrypt
> repeat last 3 steps on as much sticks as you like

Why are you making such a big deal out of this...

[Anonymous No.22049436]

>>22046640
Security is all about layers. A hardware wallet is a single additional layer. Now instead of needing access to your computer possibly internet connected, a hacker needs physical access to a small easily hidden device.

[Anonymous No.22049509]

>>22049425
yeah, I think I'm gonna boot up tails and move my xrp from the exchange

[Anonymous No.22049683]

>>22049257
Have fun losing all your change

[Anonymous No.22049765]

>>22049509
> tails
works perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.22049850]

>>22048027
retard, update firmware again this time without being a brainlet

[Anonymous No.22049899]

>>22046640
I have all the hardware wallets and to be honest, coolwallet s is the one I use most since

[Anonymous No.22050231]

>>22047608
That's what I came here to ask. I have used trezor for years, connected to MEW. I bought a Ledger to split some assets off since chainlink has jumped so much. I installed ledger live, but later noticed you can use it with MEW. Any benefits to using ledger live?

[Anonymous No.22050574]

>>22047442
delete this or someone will steal your bitcoin.
You can still see the whole private qr code