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>work at company 3 years.
>backend dev using ancient fucking language
>comfortable with it now, can pretty much solve any problem that comes up on the backend
>keep wanting more full stack dev
>company keeps telling me that they will switch me to another team so I can learn other parts of the stack, get experience. They've said that for 3 years.
>train girl who started a year an a half ago on backend tech
>she learns quickly and is savvy, they move her to a different team but she still works on only backend
>puts in crazy hours but is loud as fuck and a little bit aggressive
>she quickly gets raises
>we were both at 74k after last raise.
>this raise she goes to 83k.
>I go to 78k
>2k bonus for both of us. Fine whatever
>stock units, that normally you get at 3 years, we both get. Me at 3 years, her at a year and a half
>she still asks me and my partner questions about backend, questions that an advanced dev would know
>I still go and find code she wrote. Its incomplete and wrong. Doesnt even run.
>her manager doesn't understand the backend so he doesn't know that its wrong.
>I bring it up, she says its a 'rushed job' and she will fix it when she comes back from vacation.

Why the hell am I still answering questions for a dev I trained who won't even take the time to run the code or complete it when she makes more money than I do even if I trained her.

I need to gtfo of this company. Its fucking unfortunate because a raise is suppose to be a good thing but this company still manages to fuck it up

>> No.21910516

>>21910445
>Why the hell am I still answering questions for a dev I trained
because every day you wake up and you get ready for work and you go in and perform labor for the exact compensation and work culture you are currently receiving and experiencing
that is the only reason.

>> No.21910684

>>21910516
Well when the damn code is written without a single thought and not tested before the sign off for vacation, that just makes me mad.

Just because she puts in more hours doesn't mean all those hours are productive.

I need to leave this company. I'm just stuck in niche right now and need to pick up some experience with other tech, i guess I will keep heading in that direction while I work.

>> No.21910729

>>21910445
> Why the hell am I still answering questions for a dev I trained who won't even take the time to run the code or complete it when she makes more money than I do even if I trained her.

So tell them exactly this and leave. They’ll be the ones fucked with a retard writing their code and you’ll be working somewhere new.

>> No.21910788

>>21910729
Thats the plan I guess. Management is not organized at all.

She isn't even retarded, she just fucking rushes through shit and is loud about all the troubles she has at work. So when I see code like this she wrote, it means she didn't think 2 seconds about it.

>> No.21911117

Sucks man. How big is your company?

I jumped ship after 3 years even though it was a comfy place because that was the only way to get the raise I wanted. That 2-3 years job hopping isn’t a meme for sure.

>> No.21911288

Can't wait until this whole social normie work culture comes crashing down on their fucking heads.

>> No.21911347

>>21911288
This. Day Trading is gambling, eventually you will lose.

>> No.21911417

>>21911288
Agreed. Normies are insufferable, even with the limited 1 hour mandatory conference call it’s still too much

>> No.21911471

>>21910445
This is what it means to be a wagie. Accept it anon.

>> No.21911480

>>21911117
Its pretty big, they have become massive over the few years I've worked for them. The were bought out once over a year ago. I am wondering how soon they can get bought out again so those stock units become realized. A lot of people quit after they were bought out last time and I think its because they had a lot of money to quit with.

Idk 3 years, 4 years makes no difference. I just need to start using my time wisely and pick up more frontend skills that will transfer well.

>> No.21911552

Does she have tits and three holes? Because that’s would explain it.

>> No.21911572

>>21911417
>>21911288
I swear this is what fucked me. I am quiet at work. I keep my head down and get the job done. No complaining outside talking to my partner and even then its not real complaing just normal ranting.

But because I didn't go out of my way to be social and go to these work events even when I am very involved with whoever I am working with at the time, they dont consider me as much. Another thing is they don't like wfh, 75% of the office is back already, even though we can all do the job from home with no problem.

Luckily my team is small enough and quiet enough we are still wfh. I like it a lot better desu. Less distraction, no fucking break room chitchat

>> No.21911576

>>21910445
If shes incompetent, just fire the person who 'trained her'
>t. ceo

>> No.21911630

>>21911576
Lmao, nah I mean I showed her the damn syntax and normal shit. If she can't take the time to research the problem and write it thoughtfully then that's not my problem. I was only there south of 2 yeara when I trained her and i wasn't the only one that did train her. Its pretty sink or swim work culture.

shit ton of people just quit

>> No.21911635
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>>21910445

Become invaluable and then threaten to quit

I’ve never in my life worked in an office but I have an ongoing narrative in my head where I’m underpaid, yet over perform then put in my two week notice to my cocky African American boss

>> No.21911646

>>21910445
Quit you dumbass... when they are left with only people who can’t do the job they will be forced to hire competent (mostly) men instead of prioritising a hole for a quota because their social science HR rep told them they had to
>>21910516
This basically

>> No.21911684

>>21910445
quit and let it burn

>> No.21911685

>>21911417
>>21911572
Labor has been devalued so much and productivity doesn't matter it's all about keeping up appearances and making the workday like high school.
No wonder China and India will overtake us. Kek. Normies are too busy socializing to care

>> No.21911719

>>21911685
It fucking makes me mad man.

Its like a fucking highschool, and i hated highschool

>> No.21911757

>>21910684
be based like her, and spend more time at work browsing 4chin

>> No.21911807

>>21910445
Its really your fault for not recognizing your implicit male privilege in the workplace.

Women have only been allowed to work these types of jobs for a short period of history.

We need to boost them up and get them up to speed.

Just make the sacrifice and do better for your team, and society!

>> No.21911839

>>21911807
Lmao.

>> No.21912086

>>21911807
As a PoC, I have to agree 250%. At the end of the day, positivity for oppressed groups from and by oppressing classes is the only solution to the future. If she ain't be good at her job, its yalls faults for keepin her down, know what I'm sayin?

>> No.21912140

>>21912086
Well you guys wouldn't like this company very much then lol.

>> No.21912268

>>21912140
Thats racist right there. Yall need to step up you're inclusivity for diversity know what I'm sayin? Just because someone ain't workin how yall want ain't mean they ain't tryin to but yall act like they wrong and you write. Talk about bull shit. Shit.

>> No.21912277

I did this at my last job.
>Stsrt looking around for new jobs
>wait until you have a couple good options
>break the production build and fuck up the version control and demand a raise to fix it.
>wait a little bit after they give you the raise and then job jump
Its that easy

>> No.21912308

>>21912268
Unemployed hands typed this post

>> No.21912322

>>21912277
I dont think I could do that desu.

>> No.21912365

>>21912322
Why not?

>> No.21912434

>>21911572
When i work from home I can get more done in 5 hour than I get done in 8 + an hour total commute when I go into work. Plus I pretty much get to set my own hours when I wfh. It blows my mind that most of my co workers choose to go in to work instead of stay home. Whenever I go in they are just spending half of the day chit chatting

>> No.21912442

>>21912308
Hold up, hold up yo. Director of Diversity and Inclusion sound unemployee to you? Shit man yall act like you is the be all and end all of business right. Shit you aint shit. The future if this country be brown and black. Yall stole all our resources and technology and then keep us down with it but in a minute shit gonna change bitch. We gonna take over and show you how it be done fuckin whity. Yall aint shit.

>> No.21912468

>>21912365
Takes a certain type of mind and morale compass to pull off shady shit like that.

My mind doesn't work that way.

Also even if it did. Risk outweighs reward. Tbh i don't even have to do that. Im one of about 5 people who do backend work and the whole company depends on the backend, and they are massive. They would be able to replace me but it will not be easy.

>> No.21912518

>>21912468
>moral compass
They are fucking you over by giving the younger less experienced dev raises. What does that say about their moral compass?

>> No.21912581

>>21912468
You've got the right idea, you can prove your worth to the company and flip it on them when you find a new opportunity you can thrive in, and let management deal with the inevitable fracture of the team.
I feel like I wouldn't proactively be malicious if I wasn't forced to.

>> No.21912660

>>21912468
>They would be able to replace me but it will not be easy.
so then why the fuck are you crying about your salary on /biz/ instead of demanding a raise from your boss
you're being a doormat idiot

>> No.21912671

>>21910445
Stop complaining you write ruby or php, learn a better skill and leave man.

>> No.21912857

>>21912660
I think that's essentially what this girl did. But her manager doesn't understand the backend and desu isn't manager material, he was just the most knowledgeable dev at the time (bad fucking pattern at this company). So she can swade him.

My manager understands the backend so I think he grades our work my conservatively.

I have demanded a raise. Listen its easy enough to just say that. But I'm being paid a lot of money. I'm fucking comfy somewhat, still nervous with the coronavirus affecting the job market, and am finally starting to stack money. I do not want to appear hostile and aggressive to them. I will continue to plan and think about this. They mentioned more raises in 4 months. I doubt she will get another one they just wanted her to be quiet. But the way they made it sound i can very well get a big raise in January.

>> No.21912883

>>21912671
you're right. Its the only way. I just had to vent.

>> No.21912984

>>21910445
>Why the hell am I still answering questions for a dev I trained
because you're a wagie foggat

>> No.21913019

>ask for raise
>justify why you think you should get one while being professional
>they say yes or no

The wont say fuck you youre fired for asking, if you feel you are undervalued then apply for other jobs.

>> No.21913279

>>21913019
Alright. I did ask them how they came up with this number. They beat around the bush and gave a bunch of excuses.

I think its time to look for a new job yeah.

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>>21913279

Think of it from their perspective, you've been doing x job for y pay so far, so why would they increase that if they didn't have to? If they are getting a good deal why change it? Management usually deals with all sorts of random fires and issues so the thought of "is anon being paid enough" probably doesn't enter their mind very often.

If they aren't going to budge then unfortunately you have to ask yourself if there is any point staying where you are vs going somewhere else. I'm going through a similar thing, I like where I work but they have dragged my promotion out to the point of ridiculousness and I am starting to apply for other jobs.

>> No.21913443

>>21913401
Tis the life of a wagie. Damn....

Wagie with a golden chain. I do like the job though, it's a shame.

>> No.21913578

It sounds like you’re actually happy with it and are letting the sins of envy and greed poison your mind. Try gratitude.

>> No.21913689

>>21913578
I am happy with it. More money is more money. But this company never fails to fuck it up somehow.

Like I kept my head down and worked hard. I do good work. I expect to be compensated well. 78k is nothing to laugh at. But now there is weird dynamic where a lower level dev who comes to me with questions is actually making more money than me and it is throwing me off.

I make sure all my advice is recorded on tickets publicly now. Took me a little bit to understand that. So if anyone does look it will be recorded

>> No.21914026

>>21913689
What you have to evaluate is: is it a good deal?

If you're getting paid above the industry standard and the company is fucking up by paying her even more, stay. It's their mistake.

If you're getting screwed by being paid less, then leave.

Who cares about what she's getting, if it's a fair deal for you. Mind you, do try to negotiate because otherwise you won't get a raise, but don't just move out of spite.

>> No.21914153

How do I get into programming if all I have is a unrelated B.S. and a github account with 5 coding projects on it (nodeJS, some others, 1 C++)
I'm on the east coast. Can I offer to work for minimum wage on my resume or will that turn them off. Anywhere else other than Indeed, LinkedIn, etc? Programming seems pretty lucrative and although I'm not autistic I don't enjoy socializing. I do enjoy coding but I'm sure the job will make me hate it. I'm okay with that.

>> No.21914160

>>21914026
I will negotiate. I understand what you are saying and I know I'm bring underpaid.

>> No.21914201

>>21913401
Unironically this. It’s not even about normalniggers being “””social””” to get promotions over possibly more effective outcasts, it’s about somehow conveying that you will be able to add more value in an upgraded role (and at an upgraded salary), but only if you can enter that role.

>> No.21914209

>>21914153
The job hasn't made me hate it. It does make me think of it more as work rather than how I felt about it in college.

Idk man, its a hard thing to get you foot in the door without a related degree. I would just make sure you have a lot of projects you can dive into and explain in the interview to show them that you are passionate about it

>> No.21914358

>>21914153
know someone or apply to every job you see (can take hundreds of applications)

>> No.21914456

>>21914153
Unironically networking.

I'm a Pajeet teir coder. I won a competition (that pretty much no one entered) and was offered like 5 jobs at different fintechs. You can generally bs the whites, but not the inidans so watch out.

In the meantime, there's avenues to make money online if you know where to look and have good skills. Don't forget if you're at a company you're also paying for your jew bosses salary.

>> No.21914488

>>21910445
first off idk how you know she makes more than you unless she told you but if youre three years deep at only 74k thats pretty bad

im three years deep starting at 70k and at 98k now and thats kinda bad but im lazy and havent switched companies like youre supposed to. Which is the big thing to ask yourself why havent you tried to interview at another company or talked to your boss for a raise for how little youre making, most developers switch companies every three years to make the big raise instead of the pitty sum you normally get

>> No.21914523

>>21914488
Depends on where you live.

If you're paying nothing for rent and food and taking home most of your wage 74k is decent.

If you're in cali you may as well just be a trashman.

Isn't google like 70k starting?

>> No.21914538

>>21910445
why would you work for epic software, you knew well in advance what would happen, the project managers are stupid jocks, half the engineers are women (LMAO), and the code culture is shit

>> No.21914561

>>21914523
lmao whoever told you that got absolutely cucked
google started two of my friends north of six figs for lighter dev work

>> No.21914581

>>21914456
oh man there's nothing worse than seeing a brown skin open the door when you're sitting down waiting for the technical

nothing worse in heaven or hell. they have an axe to grind

>> No.21914941

>>21911552
>she

>> No.21914954

>>21914488
Where do you live? I’m about the same amount of experience, $60k up to $94k within the same company.

>> No.21914962

To move up you gotta move out. Trust me.

t. Dev making $150k

>> No.21914986

>>21914962
What kinda dev?

>> No.21915005

>>21910445
Make a compilation of code you wrote that she did wrong.
Explain to your boss in simple terms why its wrong.
Demand a raise.

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>>21914209
>>21914358
>>21914456
thanks!

>> No.21915951

>>21910445
OP stop being a faggot and jump ship. Loyalty is for retards. If you're truly good, recruiters will be kicking down your door to hire you. Company's should be desperate to keep you happy. If they treat you like shit, punish them by leaving.
You should be getting 50%+ raises every time you change jobs. Stop sitting around licking boss taint hoping they'll give the resident autist 6%.

>> No.21916136

>managers tell me I'm in line for a promotion
>one of the stipulations is I have to have 1 on 1 meetings with different directors
>this induces my social anxiety
>mostly put it off
>recently sent out a few messages to higher ups
>get straight up ignored
>not sure if ill get promotion now

Why is it like this bros?

>> No.21916885

>>21916136
no wonder women are programmed to despise beta males

>> No.21917174

>>21911347
haven't had a losing trade on mex this entire year grew my account by 30%
want to know my secret?

>> No.21918084

>>21910445
Just start applying to other companies, the economy is fucked right now and not super easy to get an interview but you might as well start now.

They won't give you what you deserve, they reserve that for external hires.

>> No.21918168

>>21911635
Nobody is invaluable

>>21912857
Management is about managing people, not work. She is manager material.

>> No.21918199

>>21910445
kek it took you this long to learn that meritocracy is a fucking fantasy? lmao

>> No.21918248

>>21917174
yes

>> No.21918263

>work in IT
>can barely code, been doing too much front end shit for years while hired for backend
>API's between teams are a complete mess

It's suffering

>> No.21918284

don't fix her fuckup and quit. fuck them. get a new job and learn the front end on your own. what's wrong with you? no need to wait for permission to do it

>> No.21918365

also this >>21914962
>get a new job
>establish that you are competent
>then do absolute minimum to not get fired, unless you really like the people/company and want to stay there long term
>improve skillset/learn front end on your ow/build portfolio
>get better job/repeat cycle
this is how it works if you don't want to play the social game

>> No.21918396

>>21916136
just get some benzos or beta blockers or anything dude wtf