/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.21210728]

How does the Dutch government treat crypto investors? What about taxes?

I've been considering moving to the Netherlands for professional reasons, but I am afraid of what is going to happen if I want to cash out.

I know that there are pioneer companies like AnycoinDirect, but that doesn't mean they're giving investors a free ride.

[Anonymous No.21210834]

>>21210728
Some basics

[Anonymous No.21210855]

>>21210728
Box 3 my dude

[Anonymous No.21210980]

>>21210834
Forgot to add, your net worth in crypto is calculated on the 1st of January, which counts for the whole year.

[Anonymous No.21211113]

>>21210834
>>21210855
>>21210980
Damn, this looks so based. Thank you for the information. Currently living in Spain. Here you must pay for every single trade. Mining is taxed as well.

Kind of a random question, but... any idea how easy it is to start a business in this country?

[Anonymous No.21211148]

geen idee oetz vrienden

[Anonymous No.21211290]

>>21211113
>any idea how easy it is to start a business in this country?
Any fucktard could register his company at the chamber of commerce (KvK), but I don't know how easy it is for people that aren't from here.
Maybe this can help you https://business.gov.nl/

[Anonymous No.21211375]

Also, get this shit to spend your crypto

[Anonymous No.21211400]

>>21211290
Dankjewel, vriend.

>but I don't know how easy it is for people that aren't from here
My intention is to integrate myself into their culture/society, and learn the language before I move (in fact, I already started). I hope that helps.

[Anonymous No.21211493]

Ripple, ($XRP) is partnered with the dutch central bank (de nederlandse bank) and for knowing the netherlands (amsterdam zuid-as) is a tax paradise for the biggest of companies
>Niet voor niets koninklijke Nederland B.V.
We're centre of the cabal and laundring point of the biggest western economies.

Hold the crypto as liquidity in a portfolio or investment fund to pay the 1% net value tax, if you sell its seen as income and you'll be taxed to hell

[Anonymous No.21211592]

>2.65% of your net worth is taxed
Nigga what?
I'm planning on moving from USA to Netherlands. You mean to tell me that my US crypto and my US stocks are gonna get taxed at 2.65% each year by the Dutch, and then the USA is going to tax me on whatever gains I make?
This is bullshit!

[Anonymous No.21211601]

>>21210728
like they treat black men having sex with their young white women
they ignore it, but also kinda enjoy it

[Anonymous No.21211631]

>>21211493
Nee, dat zal luxemburg wel zijn

[Anonymous No.21211843]

>>21211493
>Hold the crypto as liquidity in a portfolio or investment fund to pay the 1% net value tax, if you sell its seen as income and you'll be taxed to hell
uhm nee toch, niet in NL?

[Anonymous No.21211856]

>>21211601
They may have the same color but this is not the flag of your country you dumb mutt lol.

[Anonymous No.21211891]

>>21211592
you should check it out of course, but I'm pretty sure there'all sorts of convenient tax exemptions for expats

[Anonymous No.21211900]

>>21210728
for professional reasons like what lmao
the netherlands is shit bro

[Anonymous No.21211909]

>>21211592
1.6% max, and even that is only for assets above €1 million.

[Anonymous No.21212053]

>>21210834
Thanks anon

Any idea where I can find transaction history on HUOBI and Coinbase? I can't find it, for some reason it turns up blank.

>>21211400
Dont bother coming here, we're about to get niggered, also children get trannied by the school system by the age of 9 iirc

[Anonymous No.21212093]

>>21210834
>nooit mn crypto opgegeven bij de belasting
>nu 300k waard

oeps

[Anonymous No.21212197]

>>21212053
>Dont bother coming here
>rejecting help when you're about to get niggered

[Anonymous No.21212259]

>>21212093
ik ook, wat doen?

>In 2018 voor de grap in chainstink en LP geïnvesteerd
>Totaal vergeten
>Kettingstink is nu $14

Gaan ze ons neuken?

[Anonymous No.21212295]

>>21212093
>>21212259
Gewoon ontvangen in stukjes?

[Anonymous No.21212297]

>>21212197
Anon you brought a tear to my eye, gods bless you

[Anonymous No.21212355]

>>21212295
als Ik dat wil herinvesteren dan wordt er gevraagt waar dat herinvesteerde geld vandaan komt, toch?

Wat als ik met dat geld een huis wil kopen? wat als ik uiteindelijk wel belasting wil betalen op wat ik heb?

[Anonymous No.21212406]

>>21212355
geen idee eigenlijk, zou best kunnen inderdaad dat je zo op de radar komt moest je dit niet doen

[Anonymous No.21212476]

>>21212406
maar serieus, zullen ze het begrijpen dat gewoon niet wist dat ik belasting moest betalen maar dat ik het wel gewoon wil doen? moet ik zoiets aan een boekhouder vragen of gaan ze verklikken?

[Anonymous No.21212580]

>>21212476
Belastingdienst wil alleen hun centen zien man, het zijn een stelletje sociopaten.
Beste advies wat ik je kan geven is om een belastingsadviseur te zoeken die wat verstand heeft van crypto's. Denk niet dat zo iemand gaat klikken bij de belastingdienst...

[Anonymous No.21212587]

>>21212476
Ze zullen niet super moeilijk doen denk ik, crypto stijgt en daalt hard. Als ik ff kijken op de site van de belastingdienst staat er ook "U hanteert daarbij de koers op de peildatum van het gebruikte omwisselplatform."

Maar wat als je het op een hardware wallet hebt staan? Geen handelsplatform dus geen waarde: "oh het lag heel lang in mn kast heb er niet naar om gekeken en zag dat het nu opeens veel geld waard was haha sorry meneer van de belastingdienst"

[Anonymous No.21212616]

Annons, je kan tot 5 jaar terug je belastingaangifte aanpassen.
Daarnaast is er een voorstel om vanaf 2022 tot €400k slechts € 400 te belasten.
En je kan nu ook al je schulden van je gainz aftrekken.

[Anonymous No.21212640]

>>21212616
Als ik een hypotheek heb van 200k zijn dat dan ook schulden?

[Anonymous No.21212708]

What the fuuuuuuuuck!
So if I have 200k USD in investments, I owe 97000×.0422+70000×.018=
5,350 euros each year?
Even if I'm losing money???
Reeeeee

[Anonymous No.21212711]

>>21212640
nee want hypotheek voor eigen huis is box 1

tenzij de hypotheek voor een 2e huis is

[Anonymous No.21212797]

>>21212708

no you pay 30% tax on the effective return
you don't pay the effective return

200k (eur)

€72.797 * 1.8% * 30% = €393
€127.203 * 4.22% * 30% = €1610

€2k every year

[Anonymous No.21212843]

>>21212797
Oh, that's... Very reasonable.
Thanks Dutch fren.

[Anonymous No.21212881]

This thread is the living proof that Dutch people is nice. Fuck stereotypes.

[Anonymous No.21212887]

Dutchbro here, you only pay a minor tax on your net worth, with the first 25k untaxed.
I would advise to keep track of your trades, I use cointracking.info
just in case you gonna cash out a few 100k and people start asking questions

[Anonymous No.21212915]

>>21212843

also first 31k is untaxed
62k if you have a fiscal partner (but who am I kidding, this is 4chan)

[Anonymous No.21212932]

Is this true that Dutch basically get taxed at 37% on employment income?
I see the working class get keked in Netherlands just like in burgerland.

[Anonymous No.21212936]

>>21212587
>>21212616
Bedankt anons

[Anonymous No.21212972]

>>21212915
Isn't the point of legalized prostitution so that you don't get fiscal partners?

[Anonymous No.21213015]

Good information in this thread.

What are your goals anons? I just want around 1 million. Cash out and invest this in some property to rent out and live comfy on passive income, spend time on my hobbies

[Anonymous No.21213032]

>>21210728
These threads are so tiresome... FUCK CASHING OUT

[Anonymous No.21213040]

I'm trying to avoid getting torn apart by rioters in the USA in November.

[Anonymous No.21213063]

>>21213015
AT LEAST 10 Million that's real FU money
>>21212932
You can get a discount on income tax, that brings it down to 14%. Idk why they do that though

[Anonymous No.21213073]

>>21212476
If you have big profits from crypto and transfer them to your bank account the bank will do an anti money Laundering investigation.
They will probably call you and ask you questions.
Most banks don't want anything to do with customers who make money with crypto because it is a huge money Laundering risk.

[Anonymous No.21213092]

>>21212932
37,35% over the first €68,500
49,50% tax over every € you earn more than €68,500.

Wagecucks in NL are NGMI

[Anonymous No.21213127]

>>21213063
Well I'll figure that out later. I don't care so long as I can make rent money freelancing... I'll even do Uber eats bullshit if I have to.
>>21213073
Why don't you just keep your foreign bank account linked to your crypto brokerage and just pay the Dutch government the box 3 total on your annual balance?
Seems like that's not any Dutch bank's problem then.

[Anonymous No.21213131]

>>21212887
What if you did not track all of your trades? Binance only keeps 3 months history.
>>21213073
How big is big? I cashed out 30k a few years ago and never got any questions. Planning to cash out 100k next time and don't want to get my account frozen.

[Anonymous No.21213185]

>>21213131
>Binance 3 months only
Is that true? I feel like I've pulled a full year's set of transactions from binances API using this site.

[Anonymous No.21213196]

>>21213073
If you have a foreign bank account (i.e. on a relatives name), you can transfer € 70k tax free one time as a gift to your Dutch account.

[Anonymous No.21213215]

>>21213127
>Why don't you just keep your foreign bank account linked to your crypto brokerage and just pay the Dutch government the box 3 total on your annual balance?
That could work if the foreign bank doesn't do anti money Laundering investigations. But any bank in European union has to do this especially since the latest anti money Laundering directive IV from 2019.
>>21213131
Any cash that comes from crypto will be investigated.
Anything above 10k will especially get investigated if its crypto.
A solution could be if you open a bank account in Russia or the caymans or something

[Anonymous No.21213234]

>>21210834
>tax on personal wealth
that's some bullshit they got there
way to incentivize rich people to move their funds offshore
no wonder dutchies can't roll with the big boys

[Anonymous No.21213261]

>>21213092
The workers paradise of the USSA is only 7% + pic related.
It works quite well unless you have to got he hospital and you have shitty insurance.

[Anonymous No.21213278]

>>21213215
>Anything above 10k will especially get investigated if its crypto.
Not true. I cashed out 30k to a dutch bank account and did not get any questions.
Transactions above 10k trigger a SAR but that does not necessarily lead to a full investigation.

[Anonymous No.21213319]

>>21213278
>Not true. I cashed out 30k to a dutch bank account and did not get any questions.
When was that? Banks have been slow to do diligence. You might be on a list of people that still have to be checked

[Anonymous No.21213325]

>>21213215
Get an American bank account. USA banks don't give a fuck if you make money from crypto. The tellers just call their coworkers over to look at their screen out of personal curiosity if they see big crypto withdrawals.
You might have to pay taxes on each trade though.

[Anonymous No.21213330]

>>21211592
The bullshit part is that the USA taxes people who do not even reside in the USA. Renounce your citizenship asap.

[Anonymous No.21213387]

>>21213330
No thanks, Roland.

[Anonymous No.21213390]

>>21213127
by the way you can only get the discount on your income tax on ONE job, if you get a second you have to pay the full 37,35% tax.

Yes this country is trash

[Anonymous No.21213405]

>>21213325
Burgers bank also do anti money Laundering investigations. Your dumb as a brick president Dubya pushed through the patriot act and since then you have banks silently checking your bank accounts

[Anonymous No.21213445]

>>21213390
Meanwhile Moroccan trash can steal rolexes and shoot white men, and the worst human being in this country Femke Halsema, that fucking bitch, is silent about it

[Anonymous No.21213458]

>>21213319
>When was that?
2017. No way they would have waited this long if they were going to ask questions.

[Anonymous No.21213461]

>>21213131
>>21213185
Huobi only keeps 4 months history, try asking support for the entire history you might get it.

[Anonymous No.21213495]

>>21213405
Of course they're investigating us. But they haven't given me any trouble over my crypto brokerage accounts.
Also I have to submit all my transactions to the IRS for tax purposes.
But I thought your problem was getting access to any banking at all because the Dutch banks will terminate your account if you make your money off crypto?
AFAIK the banks in the USA don't do that.
>>21213390
Seems kind of fucked up considering if you're Dutch old money your taxes on investments are not bad at all. How is a lower class person supposed to save money?

[Anonymous No.21213515]

>>21212093
>>21212259
>>21212295

hallo jongens Ik heb hier van de week ook ff onderzoek naar gedaan nou zijn er 2 dingen interessant.

je mag tot 5 jaar terug je belastingaangfite veranderen dit betekend dat je wel lekker mag gaan betalen.

als ze je nou neuken betekend het dat je 150% bovenop de te betalen belasting als boete krijgt wat voor een waarde van nu zo een 300k een paar duizend eurotjes erbij is dus zo een 5k ofzo, dat is worst case scenario.

Je kan de belastingdienst bellen en blabla wellicht wordt je dan heel goed geneukt of juist niet ligt er aan wie je aan de telefoon hebt en hoe lief je met ze praat.

een 2e ding dat aan de hand is : vanaf 2021 of 2022 is de belastingvrije voet 400k! dus dan zit je lekker, moet je wel eerst je belasting gefixt hebben.

Nu moet ik zeggen het zelf ook niet gedaan te hebben wat kanker kut is, weet ik veel met welke skeere manieren ik allemaal muntjes heb gekocht in 2017 dat weet ik allemaal niet meer. gelukkig heb ik kanker domme munten gekocht en is mijn waarde maar 2000 euro dus ik ga het lekker allemaal vanaf dit jaar aangeven als zijnde investering denk niet dat ze aankloppen daarvoor of echt op de chain gaan kijken van AHA dit was er al voor 2017 , nee hoor zit ruim onder de belastingvrije voet, gaat ze geen kanker boeien als ze maar belasting kunnen vangen op mn winst vanaf nu

[Anonymous No.21213516]

>>21213461
I'm lucky I didn't use binance very long then.

[Anonymous No.21213520]

one should make a crypto tax law tier list if one so desires

[Anonymous No.21213573]

>>21213234
in return we help people with mental illnesses to return to society or people or autis that are never able to work get some gov money.

it's not all bad. We got a good safety net for if youre out of your job.

[Anonymous No.21213579]

>>21213458
>2017. No way they would have waited this long if they were going to ask questions.
You're probably in the clear yes.
But if you do it now you will likely get a call. And if the people at the bank don't believe your story of how you got those shekels they might end your account with the bank.
Big banks got huge fines so now they're all scrambling to check their customers
https://www.fiod.nl/ing-betaalt-775-miljoen-vanwege-ernstige-nalatigheden-bij-voorkomen-witwassen/

[Anonymous No.21213624]

>>21213573
How is helping the retards a good thing, they are a fucking burden on society

[Anonymous No.21213637]

>>21213495
>How is a lower class person supposed to save money?
By buying a house and hoping the housing bubble will continue.
The real poorfags who work in retail or something are fucked. Rapefugees get to live in all the social housing units that get on the market.
In the last three years 85k social housing units all went to this human detritus
https://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2020/02/wilders-door-het-lint-85-000-luxe-woningen-voor-asielzoekers-geen-plekje-voor-eenzame-oudere-schaam-u-rutte/

[Anonymous No.21213665]

>>21213624
>How is helping the retards a good thing, they are a fucking burden on society
They don't become junkies and/or school shooters
I don't mind paying for this if its white Dutchmen but we unfortunately spend billions on somalis and other human trash

[Anonymous No.21213727]

>>21213637
Well you see you colonized Indonesia at one point therefore you should feel good about giving Ahmed a home when he's not even interested in working.

[Anonymous No.21213736]

>>21213579
ING's customers were doing fraud on massive scales (kek at the ATM in Suri). I still don't think they care that much about these amounts.
I guess I'll find out in a few months. Fucking hope they don't, it will be a huge headache.

[Anonymous No.21213768]

>>21213624
Left wing politicians and cuckservatives did this. This is why I'm moving to Latvia when I make it.

[Anonymous No.21213799]

>>21213665
I'm not going to tell the Dutch what they should do because I'm a foreigner and it's fucking annoying hearing foreigners complain about America, but I'd probably accept maybe half a dozen school shootings a year in exchange for not financing a million autist NEETs.

[Anonymous No.21213800]

>>21213624
They should be gassed at birth.

[Anonymous No.21213816]

>>21213800
unironically this

[Anonymous No.21213826]

>>21213727
We don't even get many Indonesian immigrants.
The ones we do have are more Nationalist than the average white bourgeois cocksucker.
Geert Wilders is part Indonesian and so is Baudet

[Anonymous No.21213833]

had zelf op 1 jan < 30.000 totale waarde, dus geen belasting. Maar aankomende januari gaat dat een ander verhaal worden.
Heb nooit een traderecord opgebouwd, inmiddels wel >10000 trades gemaakt waaronder ++ uniswap shitcoin trades.
hoe fucked ben ik?
Om dat allemaal te achterhalen wordt hem niet.
Aan de andere kant, ben een brave burger, witwassen etc doe ik niet. Denk dat als ze me willen beschuldigen van witwassen danwel illegale handel of wat dan ook, zij met bewijzen moeten komen. En niet andersom.
Zal op 1 jan screenshots maken van al mijn accounts en het netjes opgeven allemaal.

[Anonymous No.21213864]

>>21213826
Kick out Ahmed and bring in Sukarno.

[Anonymous No.21213871]

>>21213799
Govt has been making it harder for the neets that are citizens but the rapefugees still get huge piles of money thrown at them

[Anonymous No.21213879]

>>21213624

>>21213665 This, but also

think of these retards as most 4chan users, literally I'm not even kidding. most auti neets actually have potential and if we just pay for their basic needs (food/shelter / internet) they can actually become useful to society on day or not.

I have several friends that have "wajong-uitkering" our version of disability checks. Some are slowly crawling their way into society, some are raising families while the wife works. These are people that are either severly autistic , have PTSD or other schizo shit. They get therapy too and medication and they are getting better by the day. These are the types of people that in america would become crack addicts/ school shooters/ gangbangers and what have you not.

but to build up on what >>21213665 said. I have 0 problem with helping immigrants that are born here surinamese/indonesian/turkish whateverish i dont care, born and raised here in my opinion theyre dutchies, most people I know that are below 30 and immigrant background are very smart capable people.

We just have to stop importing trash, why do we keep importing PTSD riddled people.
I had a date with a somali girl a while back and whilst she was cute she was obviously traumatised at home by the way her parents are raising her.
She will be allright and integrate in our society and her kids will be completely integrated, but we have to stop importing so god damn much,
surinamese /turkish and especially indonesian people have fully integrated and nobody bats an eye anymore when they see them, because they or I should actually say we because im part of them, know how the fuck it works here.

why do we keep importing first generation en masse? it doesn't make sense.

Nothing wrong with the educated chinese/korean /japanese students or even bachelor holding people from third world countries, but we cant keep on importing the fucking PTSD people.

[Anonymous No.21213923]

>>21213879
It's a religion of peace, Geert.
>>21213833
Is the Dutch term for good citizen really "brave burger"?

[Anonymous No.21213986]

>>21213923
>Is the Dutch term for good citizen really "brave burger"?

yes

[Anonymous No.21214003]

>>21213986
A true poet's language.

[Anonymous No.21214017]

>>21213879
>I have 0 problem with helping immigrants
>Broooo just integrate and you'll be Dutch

Based and white genocide pilled

How the fuck can you call yourself part of,let alone be proud of being part of, an ethic/cultural group when LITERALLY ANYBODY IN THE WORLD can be part of it? that completely defeats the purpose.

[Anonymous No.21214051]

>>21213826
>>21213923

mixed indo here, this is true.

This is also because our view on islam is very different from the arab view of it. We mixed islam together with world religions. Thats why if you ever go to indonesia you will see a lot of people that say theyre muslim drink bintang and have tattoos as well as have buddha statues in their home and other shit thats pretty haram.

Muslim women wear jeans and batik, as opposed to full face covering or even hair covering cloth.

We don't have the same connection to religion.
but neither do a lot of my turkish and surinamese (paki muslims) on islam, most are trying to get away from the faith but they pretend to still be it to not get disowned.

[Anonymous No.21214054]

>>21214017
If they learn Dutch and aren't Muslim is that good enough?

[Anonymous No.21214074]

>>21213800
Only good reply.

[Anonymous No.21214091]

>>21214051
Indo Muslims have all been pretty reasonable people, but I think all it takes is for the hardline Muslims to take over and then they'll flip to being hardliners.

[Anonymous No.21214104]

>>21214017
I'm already a fucking mudblood by /pol/ standards,
I dont give a fuck if the white race goes extinct who gives a shit? most people that are good people are not pure bloods no matter if theyre black or white or asian or arab or whatever the fuck.
Pure bloods are all close minded pieces of shit, the mixbloods are the ones that actually grow up in more than one culture sometimes even three cultures (2 from parents 1 from country) and this allows them to grow up with compassion and empathy for others, mostly for other mudbloods.

[Anonymous No.21214124]

How is the dutch language compare to english or german, is it hard to acquire ?

[Anonymous No.21214166]

>>21214054
Why would you water it down that much?

>>21214051
Dont forget the part where the radical muslim persecuted mixed dutch/indonesian people after they got independence, that's the reason why my grandfather left Indonesia for NL, for me that cemented my indentity as Dutch and EthNat

[Anonymous No.21214188]

>>21214124
If you speak dutch, you can almost understand german, and every tv show is in english, so english is basically a given for dutch speakers.

[Anonymous No.21214200]

>>21214104
>Brooo I dont give a fuck if white people get genocided they disagree with my absolutist worldview on what is good/bad

unironically kys

[Anonymous No.21214233]

>>21214017
>>21214104
I'm going to add that you should consider using the term European instead of white, not because it's PC or woke, but rather because jews repeatedly and demonstratedly switch from claiming they're white to not white depending on when it's convenient for their rhetoric and they need to lock themselves into picking a side. White doesn't even reliably indicate what ethnicity you are considering at one point it excluded Italians and Irish, among others.

[Anonymous No.21214252]

Its has the most similarities to english

Some if the sounds are a bit weird at the beginning i guess (g, sch, ij)

[Anonymous No.21214314]

>>21214166
I dunno if you get people who assimilate and work hard you do mutify a bit and don't you get stronger by pulling in more good peoole? I'm an amerilard though so I'm indoctrinated to believe this is possible.
>>21214188
Yeah but if we move to the Netherlands we want to learn Dutch too.

[Anonymous No.21214321]

>>21214091

Not true at all. Most indonesians hate whatever the fuck is happening in northern sumatra and people are actively trying to prevent the "arabification of the archipelago".
There hasn't been a single indonesian I know that supports this muslim or not.

Indo people are similar to berber muslims , as they too have mixed islam with world religion.

Personally I think that for "dutch" muslims this will go in a similar direction, if you look at the current generation most are drinking and smoking (weed) and they're opposing strict islam teachings, perhaps out of teen rebellion alone, but for many it sticks straight into their university days.


all you hear in the news is some hateful pieces of shit doing hateful things, but if you actually made friends with some muslims you figure out that they hate them too, like the catholics hating the priests.

I'm a buddhist tho I don't really vibe with monotheistic religion I feel like they're a cancer.

>>21214166
>Dont forget the part where the radical muslim persecuted mixed dutch/indonesian people after they got independence, that's the reason why my grandfather left Indonesia for NL

>>21214166
>Dont forget the part where the radical muslim persecuted mixed dutch/indonesian people after they got independence, that's the reason why my grandfather left Indonesia for NL


you're right. Welcome. I wish this shit was as black and white, but don't forget thats 70 years ago. 70 years ago korea was still actively in war and in america there was still jim crow shit going on, prussia was still actively being raped and gang banged by the USSR too.

things change.

>>21214200
>>Brooo I dont give a fuck if white people get genocided they disagree with my absolutist worldview on what is good/bad
>unironically kys

honestly white people are not actively being genocided even if theyre completely race mixed, because your dna will still be passed on to the next generation.

[Anonymous No.21214333]

>>21214233
agree to disagree, just call people out for arguing about semantics when they try to pull that shit on you

[Anonymous No.21214335]

As for OP, nl is pretty great, taxes on coward wagecuckers are quite high but when u start a company or invest ur ur money, indeed the rules are quite oka

Also most social stuff is reasonable so extreme polarization and rioting as such are uncommon

Its a give and take, could some things be better? Probably, but its not a bad country to live in. Eventho we have the highest english literacy pretty much i recommend learning the language, u will integrate more and understand people better

And yes, people can be blunt af

[Anonymous No.21214358]

>>21213131
binance keeps everything, you can only view 3 month chunks at a time. Just adjust the start / end dates

[Anonymous No.21214399]

>>21212881
Idk where that stereotype even comes from. Dutch people are straightforward and can be seen as brash by stuck up brits, or cold by southern Euros, but we're not a bad bunch. Not to mention tall, good looking and well educated.

[Anonymous No.21214417]

>>21214233
>I'm going to add that you should consider using the term European instead of white, not because it's PC or woke, but rather because jews repeatedly and demonstratedly switch from claiming they're white to not white depending on when it's convenient for their rhetoric and they need to lock themselves into picking a side. White doesn't even reliably indicate what ethnicity you are considering at one point it excluded Italians and Irish, among others.

neither does european. The ashkenazi jews are literally europeans larping as middle eastern jews in israel.


also fuck PC bullshit. I saw some bullshit on my instagram today about how you cant be racist against white people and it made my blood boil.

Even my black friends say thats bullshit. its just a bunch of whites and blacks saying this to set us up against eachother, we should be able to live in harmony together, but ((((they)))) keep on setting us up against eachother like this. I swear ((((they)))) are scared of different ethnicities uniting and living in harmony they keep fucking us like that.

[Anonymous No.21214479]

Can I get any tax relief for losses though? Asking unironically.

[Anonymous No.21214485]

>>21213515
Onder 25k hoef je niet eens aan te geven vriend

[Anonymous No.21214489]

>>21214399
and imo our immigrants are actually adjusting to our culture instead of going full malmo/ paris / london on us.

I think it has to do with our very direct and blunt culture being perfect for people of other cultures to understand. The fact that we have this down is in my opinion the effect of our VOC times, we had to be direct and blunt in order to communicate across cultures. Fuck that social bullshit the brits are about , fuck their passive aggresive way of speach, we are superior. Our country will be the only country that flourishes from multi-culturalism

[Anonymous No.21214511]

>>21214358
>>21213131
If this is true then I think you can have Bitcoin.tax pull every transaction for you automatically if you pay them $20 for each tax year.
>>21214321
I'll take your word for it, but I'll still advise against letting in so many Muslims that they start birthing more youngsters than the local ethnicities do. It's impossible to predict what the social dynamics involving the Muslims will be 40 years from now and while I think they have a right to sit at the table I don't think they should be in a position where they can overpower everyone else.

[Anonymous No.21214549]

>>21214321
>you're right. Welcome. I wish this shit was as black and white, but don't forget thats 70 years ago. 70 years ago korea was still actively in war and in america there was still jim crow shit going on, prussia was still actively being raped and gang banged by the USSR too.
>things change.

Things change? ho boy thanks for letting me know i guess that justifies me having to backstab the Dutch and promote their genocide

>honestly white people are not actively being genocided even if they're completely race mixed, because your dna will still be passed on to the next generation.
you're advocating for the end of an ethnic group, that's genocide, it doesn't matter if the DNA still exists or is passed on.

[Anonymous No.21214579]

>>21214358
Well shit I'm retarded. I was sure I tried this a while ago and couldn't get more history, even with tiny chunks. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.21214585]

>>21214417
>Setting the lower classes against one another
This is absolutely what they're doing.
Read these two articles:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/kansas-should-go-f-itself
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-white-fragility
To understand what's happening in America and see what they'll be trying to do in your country next.

[Anonymous No.21214663]

>>21214104
>im a mudblood
>dont care if the white race goes extinct
WOAHOHOH SOMEBODY STOP THE PRESSES WE GOT SOME HOT SURPRISING NEWS HERE

[Anonymous No.21214664]

>>21214549
>you're advocating for the end of an ethnic group, that's genocide, it doesn't matter if the DNA still exists or is passed on

I'm not advocating shit , you're literally trying to get triggered here.

If you read my post I think it's fine to have a certain % of your population be immigrants, but we have to stop importing PTSD riddled individuals and get people through legal means perhaps with college degrees only since we are already a intelligence-economy.

>>21214549
>Things change? ho boy thanks for letting me know i guess that justifies me having to backstab the Dutch and promote their genocide

No I'm trying to help you find inner peace instead of staying mad for shit that happened years ago. You are right now being no different than a black person going apeshit over muh slavery and "Ill never forgive white-y". Fuck you the past is the pass stop crying over indonesians kicking out the Dutch you cant do shit about it anymore and THINGS CHANGE FAGGOT.

[Anonymous No.21214700]

>>21214549
So no migrants at all to the Netherlands then?
I think I'm gonna say fuck that and immigrate anyway.

[Anonymous No.21214703]

>>21210728

Heeft iemand hier ervaring met het uitcashen van grote bedragen (meerdere tonnen euros)? Ik heb al eerder 30k uitgecashed en daar nooit verder iets over gehoord, en heb aangegeven dat ik crypto bezit bij de belastingdienst etc.

Denken jullie dat het kan om om de zoveel tijd 30k uit te cashen zonder dat het opvalt?

[Anonymous No.21214803]

>>21214399
I think it is, as always, a matter of culture. Courtesy doesn't seem to be that important in the Netherlands, while in other countries it is a given, therefore the lack of that cordial treatment is perceived as contempt or lack of respect.

e.g. I belong to the Latin culture. If an unknown person tells me that something I do bothers him or seems to him to be wrong, it is because he wants to be unpleasant on purpose, and he doesn't mind offending me.

Not saying "thank you" or "sorry" enough times can also be perceived as lack of education or ungratefulness. Yes it might seem that we fake our feelings, but it is just the way we're wired.

>or cold by southern Euros
I've never perceived that "coldness" you talk about though. I've been talking to dutch people before and, although they can be reserved at first, they seem cool people.

>Not to mention tall
170cm here. Do not bully, plz.

[Anonymous No.21214807]

It doesn't get much more 4chan than two mixed race Dutch arguing on opposite sides whether NL should be ethnat.

[Anonymous No.21215137]

I am a black person , does Dutch girls like BBC ? I want to have sex with white Dutch pussy and I am in nagiria now , but I am coming to Libya than maybe Germany or Netherlands

[Anonymous No.21215218]

>>21214807

[Anonymous No.21215640]

>>21213515

Dus als je een bedrag hebt onder de belastingvrije voet kun je t net zo goed bij de aangifte voegen van dit jaar?!

[Anonymous No.21215650]

got almost 100k in crypto, sitting on a verified exchange. i switched exchanges in the past. i used multiple exchanges. i've had btc in 2014/2015 in wallets, never saved those wallets. what the hell am I gonna tell the Dutch IRS? how am I gonna prove anything? I'm HODLING rn and I'm planning to do so for years, but if I reach a few 100k then I guess I can't just buy a house with it.. do I just report all my crypto right now right away? or make up some story of how I acquired everything up til now?

[Anonymous No.21215692]

>>21215650
you report what you liquidate when you liquidate. for forks capital gains is on the total amount, everything else its normal and just a part of the profit.

[Anonymous No.21215720]

>>21215640
>Dus als je een bedrag hebt onder de belastingvrije voet kun je t net zo goed bij de aangifte voegen van dit jaar?!

zou ik gewoon doen. Niet eerst er af halen en dan aangeven want de bank gaat je snitchen.

gewoon lekker aangeven dat je 20k crypto hebt oid en dat vanaf dit moment elk jaar blijven doen gaat de belasting sowieso niet over zeiken hoor ze hebben grotere vissen te vangen en dan krijgen ze van jou echt wel die 2-3000 eurotjes over de jaren heen.

als je nou 1 miljoen niet aan gegeven hebt... hahaha ja succes

[Anonymous No.21215918]

>>21215692
not true and cuck-pilled.

>>21215650
https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/nl/werk-en-inkomen/content/cryptovaluta#:~:text=Hoe%20u%20aangifte%20moet%20doen%20van%20cryptovaluta%20hangt%20af%20van%20uw%20situatie.&text=Cryptovaluta%20horen%20tot%20uw%20bezittingen,peildatum%20van%20het%20gebruikte%20omwisselplatform.

in principe ben je gewoon in je kont geneukt en mag je een boete verwachten van 150% van de orginele belasting.

Belasting die je betaald is in t plaatje

dit betekend dat je voor 100k , 75k in de eerste schijf hebt.
75000 * 0.02871 = 2153.25
25000 * 0.046 = 1150
2153.25 + 1150 = 3303.25
3303.25 * 2.5 = 8258.125 ( Dit is je belasting inclusief boete)

en omdat ze je gaan neuken kan je dit moeten gaan betalen over vorige jaren ook.
als je terug kijkt naar 2018 zal je vermogen veel meer geweest zijn op 1 januari.

dus als je bitcoin waarde 200k was in 2018 1e jaar....
betekend het dat je wellicht rond de 20k zit voor dat jaar inclusief je boete.

je gaat zo een 30-50k moeten inleveren aan boetes.

[Anonymous No.21216011]

>>21215918
o 1 extra dingetje,>>21215650
als je een studieschuld hebt net als ikke, (80k) wordt dat er van af getrokken, dus dan zou ik met een crypto stack van 100k 100-80 = 20k belastbaar hebben, maar dat valt onder de grens ;)

[Anonymous No.21216120]

>>21210728
We're full mutt. But taxes concerning crypto's are good.

[Anonymous No.21216145]

>>21215918
Je berekent hier het gemiddelde rendement maar niet de werkelijke belasting die je moet betalen (30%)

[Anonymous No.21216194]

>>21213515
vergeet niet dat je ook je studieschuld mag aftrekken van vermogen betreft vermogensbelasting. Dus in jullie geval zal je pas belasting betalen vanaf €100.000 vermogen, en dan betaal je alleen belasting over het deel boven de voet

[Anonymous No.21216260]

>>21216145
je hebt helemaal gelijk.

Ik maak een ernstig grote fout in de berekening hier.

de nieuwe berekening.

dit betekend dat je voor 100k , 75k in de eerste schijf hebt.
75000 * 0.02871 = 2153.25
25000 * 0.046 = 1150
2153.25 + 1150 = 3303.25
3303.25 * 0.3 =990.975
990.975 * 2.5 = 2477.4375 ( Dit is je belasting inclusief boete)

[Anonymous No.21216343]

Ja. Tis gewoon redelijk, je bent echt retarded als je het niet aangeeft voor die 2% pj

[Anonymous No.21216362]

Is er een Nederlandse Crypto community?
De digitale VOC ofzeauh :c.

[Bartje No.21216419]

Ze kunnen allemaal mijn klote kussen, Bartje geeft juist niks aan

[Anonymous No.21216513]

Fok mij mijn broeders, why is it so hard to make it in this country.

First people who contribute economically to society get fucked the hardest by taxing half of their income in the top bracket, then on top of that an additional 33% of their return from investments get taxed as well (using the government assumed average rate of return of ~5.3%.

Even if I 'make it' and make a million or two in this bullrun, if I choose to diversify into stonks, precious metals I'll be losing nearly 3% of my yearly returns to taxation (~1.4%) and inflation (~1.5%, if government numbers are even to be trusted, which seems unlikely).

I just want to make it and become financially independent frens REEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.21216577]

>>21216120
Are you guys racist or are you ok with an Italian moving there? I’m a crypto entrepreneur and software engineer so not a warfare nigger but you guys seem really snobby smelling farts out your ass
Want to fuck some of that tall professional business district pussy tho

[Anonymous No.21216622]

>>21216513
Because it is supposed to be hard otherwise you t wouldn’t be desirable you guys are so brainlet

[Anonymous No.21216626]

Fuck off. We have too many immigrants already. And fuck off if you're Spanish or Italian, you garlic eating poorfags. Fuck off to Africa. Your women are ugly and hairy and your men are 1.45m kek. Fuck the fuck off.

[Anonymous No.21216654]

>>21216419
Bartje klinkt als een belg

[Anonymous No.21216687]

Ik heb ook een keer geinvesteerd maar toen in een dronken bui alles naar een rare dex ofzo gestuurd ik weet het niet eens meer hoe ik erbij kom had ook alles geloof ik in REQ gestopt dus helemaal kut meneer de belasting

[Anonymous No.21216744]

>>21216626
>Spanish and Italian women are ugly
>Spanish and Italian man are ugly
Really anon if you wanted to offend me you came up with the worst
I’m bi and I have to close myself up in the house if I don’t want to have my peepee hard at all times

Try again

[Anonymous No.21216767]

>>21216577
Pretty sure Dutch girls love Italians, as long as you have the accent and are well-dressed enough to separate yourself from some of the idiot tracksuit-wearing Italians who come to Amsterdam on holiday you'll be fine. And even then there's tons of cute international girls working here who'd also. Although I'm assuming you're a taller northern Italian here.

The thing about Dutch people is that they're generally very polite and friendly, but actually 'breaking into' Dutch society and making Dutch friends outside of work is very hard, even if you speak decent Dutch- it's a pretty well-known phenomenon.

I work on the zuidas (at least pre-corona), always impresses me how many of these professional business thots there are walking around at the end of the work day

[Anonymous No.21216818]

Iemand ideeën waar ik m'n studiefinanciering in kan investeren met laag risico?

[Anonymous No.21216891]

>>21216818
je studie

[Anonymous No.21216898]

>>21213879
>im part of them
Opflikkeren kankermakaak.

[Anonymous No.21216905]

>>21216818
kettingstink (voor lange termijn is het zeker laag risico, wie weet hoe het op kerte termij eruit ziet)

[Anonymous No.21216954]

>>21216905
>dit is een goede investering
koop hoog verkoop laag

[Anonymous No.21216970]

Aangezien dit een gezellige nederdraad is geworden, hoeveel van jullie vriendelijke vrienden zijn in DUSK geïnvesteerd??

Lijkt mij een van de weinige legitieme crypto-projecten hier in Nederland, ze zijn ook al in gesprekken met De Nederlandsche Bank in advisering over een Nederlandse Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) onder andere interessante use-cases

[Anonymous No.21217031]

>>21216577
Wtf does that even mean? Being racist?
>The Oxford English Dictionary's first recorded utterance of the word racism was by a man named Richard Henry Pratt in 1902. Pratt was railing against the evils of racial segregation

I don't mind if you move here if you're a Christian or European. I would love to trade places with you and live in a Mediterranean climate. You'll find out the hard way, Pablo. You'll end up like all the other alternative Italian kids I see around here, working in an Italian restaurant serving pizzas and when you're free of work you'll smoke weed and drink beer in one of those coffeeshops. I like all people, from every color but the facts are native Dutch people all already a minority in the 4 biggest cities.

>crypto entrepreneur
Nigger that's just some shit made of by the elites or else their would be too many people unemployed being replaced by technology.

[Anonymous No.21217062]

>>21216891
Studie kost 2k per jaar, studiefinanciering is 880 per maand

[Anonymous No.21217125]

>>21214399
I absoluly agree with everything you said.
Top tier country and the only country bordering Germany that dosent treat germans like shit, even tho I know you hate germans.

[Anonymous No.21217184]

>>21217125
Why would we hate germans, we are the same. We should unite again together with belgium. Why would we be divided by language and borders if we are the same.

[Anonymous No.21217198]

How to avoid tax? No way I'm paying 43% on my LINKies. I'm willing to never return to the country if it needs be.

[Anonymous No.21217259]

>>21217184
>hating on germans

Well for the same reason everyone does. The war.
Cheers to all Dutch people for not acting like complete morons all the time.

Also Belgium is fine imo.

[Anonymous No.21217319]

bp in het huis

[Anonymous No.21217346]

>>21217198
You can kill, rape and commit genocide, then flee and you can never be found. If you try to scam the taxman he will satellite-track your ass all the way up the amazon rainforest. You'll never find peace and rest.

[Anonymous No.21217377]

>>21217198

ez
don't cash out through a bank

[Anonymous No.21217390]

>>21210728
Koop link voordat het prijs ga naar een duisand

[Anonymous No.21217393]

ok mannekes in welk muntje zal ik eens wat geld steken

[Anonymous No.21217484]

>>21217377
Thankfully I'm not American with the crazy sophisticated IRS, my government is incompetent as fuck, but I have no idea how it works in the EU alongside other member states
>>21217346
What if I cash out to a foreign bank? I'm Irish but it is easy to open an account Georgia or Switzerland. Also, for CGT the tax is only on the gains (i.e selling), so if i hodl until I'm tax domiciled in another country I'll only have to pay the tax rate there after selling...right? (Ideally Switzerland cause 0%)

[Anonymous No.21217488]

>>21217393
trustswap

[Anonymous No.21217490]

We're full mohammed

[Anonymous No.21217491]

>>21217393
yearn.finance (YFI)

[Anonymous No.21217600]

>>21217390
dit kapotte nederlands is een overduidelijk verkoopsignaal; zeer berig.

[Anonymous No.21217916]

>>21217490
No you're not. I want "neuken in de keuken" as well.

[Anonymous No.21217973]

Oprotten!

[Anonymous No.21218004]

>>21217031
>You'll find out the hard way, Pablo. You'll end up like all the other alternative Italian kids I see around here, working in an Italian restaurant serving pizzas and when you're free of work you'll smoke weed and drink beer in one of those coffeeshops.
you mean the fact that the climate is not Mediterranean makes this kids losers? I'm confused
You know how many losers are in here?
How do you explain the fact that Italy and Spain are poor as fuck compared to nordic countries without "Mediterrean climate"?
YOU will find out the harsh way, there's 3 months per year where the air is not even breathable here unless you pump loud AC all day long and it will only get worse from here
Personally, although I love the country and the people, I don't love the climate, albeit I am sure that I will miss the sun, the sheer temps are way too high for way too much time

[Anonymous No.21218266]

>>21218004
>>21218004
>I'm confused
They aren't losers but this society will make them losers. It has nothing to do with the climate why they become like that. Our country simply has taken in way too many people. We have a shortage of 315K houses. And in 2022 they estimate it will be 380k houses.
https://nos.nl/artikel/2322365-woningtekort-loopt-op-overheid-moet-vergunningverlening-verbeteren.html
Their aren't enough jobs left. We have almost 1 million out of 17 million on government support.
Also it's currently 32 degrees rn, I don't mind I can handle it.

[Anonymous No.21218315]

en ik maar lachen om stinkende schakeltjes

[Anonymous No.21218339]

>>21218315
Alles stijgt, BTT, BAND, TOMO,... stinklink is niet zo speciaal hoor

[Anonymous No.21218525]

>>21218339
wijze woorden bartje
is het een idee om gewoon op lage marktkap dingen te springen die hier gemiemd worden?

[Anonymous No.21218566]

>>21218525
zeker, vooral de pinkjes

[Anonymous No.21218610]

>>21218266
>I don't mind I can handle it
yeah it's been like that for 45 consecutive days here when it's not hot
i hear you about the shortages, maybe germany/berlin is a better bet

[Anonymous No.21218653]

>>21218566
allez ik zal eens wat kleerhoos meepinken dan :) danku

[Anonymous No.21218929]

>>21216970
Ik heb in 2017 500 NLG (Gulden) gekocht ben gelijk genezen van nederlandse projecten

[Anonymous No.21218961]

>>21217062
Based volop bijlenen roekeloze idioot

[Anonymous No.21219150]

>>21218961
rente is 0%, ik ben geen kk sukkel

[Anonymous No.21219184]

>>21218266
>Also it's currently 32 degrees rn
How does 40-45 ºC sound to you?

[Anonymous No.21219305]

>>21218339
De woorden van een geenlinker
Bekeer u tot Sergey of heb eeuwige spijt

[Anonymous No.21219313]

>>21216970
hoeveel DUSK om het te maken?

[Anonymous No.21219337]

>>21219305
maak je geen zorgen om mij vriend

[Anonymous No.21219374]

>>21219184
v-very hot. Would be nice for a two weeks vacation.

[Anonymous No.21219647]

>>21218929
Dit grenst toch ook wel aan achterlijk maat.

[Anonymous No.21219811]

>>21219647
Kan bevestigen dat ik borderline downie ben

[Anonymous No.21220285]

Kanker op met je low tier scam coins. Pinkies, fucking idioten biz brainwash werkt nog ook

[Anonymous No.21220424]

>>21220285
hela hela kalm he gastje

[Anonymous No.21220838]

>>21215918
Cringe. Er moet een andere manier zijn zonder je gewillig in je anusje te laten pakken.
Waarom gaat dit niet op?
https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/belastingdienst/prive/inkomstenbelasting/hoe_werkt_inkomstenbelasting/aangifte_doen/hoeveel-jaar-terug-belastingaangifte-doen

En jouw link zegt:
>Daarom hoeft u de opbrengst van het minen zelf niet aan te geven.
Dus als je bijvoorbeeld bitcoin in 2008-2016 hebt gemined, heb je dat nooit hoeven aangeven. En dan is het opeens super veel waard geworden. Dus kan je makkelijk alleen over 2018 en later met terugwerkende kracht aangifte doen? Of stel in 2018 zat je nog onder de 30k vrijstelling, dus hoef je pas in 2019 aan te geven en stel toen is je crypto verdubbeld, dan geef je in 2019 60k aan? En van de vorige jaren helemaal niets.

Echt bangmakerij met je boetes. Probeer outside of the box te denken ipv je als een slaaf aan de regeltjes te houden.

[Anonymous No.21221670]

>>21213032
This desu just use AAVE