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20888729 No.20888729[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Reminder that all prosperity is thanks to God, we thank Jesus for delivering eternal salvation to humanity, he brings us all good things.

>> No.20888763

Amen

>> No.20888798

Amen

>> No.20888799

God doesn’t exist. Any objection to this is cope.

>> No.20888810

>>20888799
A Creator God is a logical necessity based on the contingent nature of the physical universe.

Because the physical universe is contingent, it is not eternal. (Eternity means stability and immutability of essence, the impossibility of origin, cessation, or change, but matter/energy is in its essence a compendium of forces and potentialities; it is relativity itself, totally caught up in living, changing, and dying, ergo matter and energy are not eternal) Every physical (natural) entity is contingent and therefore has a cause, and because causal chains cannot be of infinite length, because that would be an effect without a cause, if you were able to follow the causal chain back to the very beginning where the very first physical entity was effected into being, it's cause HAD to be supernatural, since the “natural” was not yet in existence, something cannot come from nothing, something cannot “be” before it “is,” and nothing can create itself (not even God).

Others have said that we cannot talk about the origins of the universe since time itself did not exist before the universe began to expand at the Big Bang, so we just cannot know. However, since time is viewed as the progression of sequential relationships between two or more contiguous events, if there was indeed a point when there was no such thing as time, but assuming the universe did exist in some previous form, be it as a singularity, a quantum vacuum, or whatever, then because there was no time, then there would be no progression from the universe’s previous condition from “A” where there was no time to, “B” where there is time. Hence, if there was a point when there was no time, then there never would be time unless some supernatural (outside of nature) force created it.

cont.

>> No.20888811

>>20888729
Thank you lord. Beautiful moment right y'all. We gon' make it, moon or not. We gon' make it.

>> No.20888826
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>>20888799
Contingent beings are insufficient to account for the existence of contingent beings in the ultimate sense. If you add up chocolates, you get chocolates after all and not sheep. Therefore if you add up contingent entities, you are still left with contingent entities, and not an eternal one: there must exist a necessary, non-contingent, supernatural being whose non-existence is an impossibility, and from which the existence of all contingent, physical beings are derived (Hebrews 11:3)

There are only 4 options for the origin of the universe, and any theory you can come up with falls under one of these categories:

1) Option number one, the universe is an illusion, it doesn't exist.
2) Option number two, it is self-created.
3) Option number three, it is self-existent/eternal.
4) Option number four, it was created by someone who is self-existent.

Either the universe doesn't exist, or it created itself, or it always existed, or somebody created it. That's it.

Option one, option two, and option three are impossible. We're left with only one possibility, and that is that the universe exists because it was created by someone who existed before it did, a pre-existing intelligent power, namely God. Matter can't create itself, only an eternal pre-existing God can create.

God exists. Jesus Christ is God, all glory to Jesus Christ, the Alpha and the Omega.

>> No.20888831

>>20888810
Didn’t read the whole thing but the first mover principle invalidates itself.

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>>20888729

>> No.20888842
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20888842

Hail Satan

>> No.20888852

>>20888831
You are low IQ.

>> No.20888878
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>>20888842
>>20888831

>> No.20888880

>>20888729
Amen.

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>>20888729
based

>> No.20888909

>>20888852
Nope. You’re just a gold metal mental gymnast that’s why at the end of the day all of your argument is gonna have to boil down to “you have to have faith”.

>> No.20888911

>>20888878
amen

>> No.20888915

>>20888729
oh fuck off
all prosperity is thanks to my iron hands and my brain

>> No.20888936

>>20888909
When you drop into hell and burn for eternity, you can think about how low IQ you were on earth forever.

>> No.20888955

>>20888936
mmmm hellwarmth

>> No.20888990

>>20888909
Midwit. Even the smartest dude alive believes in God (Christopher Langan) and I guarantee you can’t match wits with him or the other men far greater than you and I that were devout Christians. Stop being a child and running away from the truth, everything else is just cope because you want to sin.

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>>20888729
Amen

>> No.20889013

>>20888990
>imagine actually believing this lol

>> No.20889019

>>20888729
based and breadpilled

>> No.20889031

>>20888826
brilliant. Is there a name to this logic or some furthur reading that sets this logic out more fully?

>> No.20889038

>>20888729
Amen.

>> No.20889045

Praise his name!

>> No.20889048

>>20888936
Proves that you only “believe” in God because you’re scared of burning in hell. If God exists then even by human standards he is not as merciful and caring as he is supposed to be in The Bible. Any objection to this is cope. There is no justice in subjecting hundreds of generations to torture because a woman ate a fruit. Saying that The Bible isn’t meant to be taking literally is a cope. It would not be just for me to hide myself from someone and burn them alive for them not believing that I’m there by actively contradicting my word.

>> No.20889057

>>20888729
Amen

>> No.20889058

>>20889013
You hate to see it... keep being prideful and arrogant. You owe everything to God and don’t forget that. You are the creation and he is the creator. Every breath you take is thanks to him. Seek Christ now.

>> No.20889067

>>20889048
Dont forget that most American Christians are going to hell if their God is real, since they have base-level understanding of their own religion

>> No.20889072

>>20889031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPCzEP0oD7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmAKCvWl74

>>20889048
I don't engage with low IQ atheists. Talk to someone else, faggot.

>> No.20889073

>>20889048
His existence would not justify worship. Yahweh is a cunt.

>> No.20889078

>>20888729
Amen, I agree

>> No.20889086

>>20889058
Stop trolling the troll dude, there's no way you believe that garbage.

>> No.20889109

>>20888826
How are 1 2 and 3 impossible? We literally have nothing that proves any of the 4 options are invalid. Especially considering it's more and more likely we're in a simulation

>> No.20889116

>>20889072
>comments turned off
As expected from a christcuck.

>> No.20889136

>>20889116
>christcuck

>> No.20889140

>>20889067
Therr’s nothing fancy, convoluted or esoteric about knowing God. Seek him and you will find him.

>>20889073
Not a good idea to mess with the being that created you, just saying. You know that he is loving and merciful so you take advantage but the absence of God is the worse feeling you can ever have. Don’t make God turn his back on you and give you up to a reprobate mind.

>> No.20889147

>>20889109
>How are 1 2 and 3 impossible?
Low IQ and ignorance of the reality you live in, combined with a scientific illiteracy is the answer to your question.

>> No.20889156

>>20889072
Sweet argument bro. You sure showed him by disproving his positions...

>> No.20889159

>>20889140
The thing I find funny about this is that there's a 30% chance that you are being sincere. If you are, I apologize that He has pulled the wool over your eyes. I hope that Satan may find you and lead you to freedom.

>> No.20889173

>>20889147
So "Just cause" then? No actual answer?

>> No.20889176

>>20889086
Many people know that God all there is and is the source of life. What is so hard to comprehend. Creation needs a creator. You’re really dumb or trolling or stuck in the edgy tern phase or maybe you can’t handle it because you are stuck in sin. It’s ok though, ask for forgiveness, repent and God will come in to your life and fill you with the holy spirit. You should give it a shot, it’s a feeling like none other.

>> No.20889189

>>20889176
get meds you crazy bastard. Why the fuck do we suffer people like this?

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>>20889173
I gave you an answer. It is not my responsibility to educate you, that is your own.

If you believe:

1. We cannot prove the universe doesn't exist
2. It created itself. (Literally impossible and logically incoherent)
3. Is eternal (Again, impossible for a contingent "thing" to be eternal.)

You are literally too stupid, low IQ, ignorant, whatever you wish to call it, to understand my answer.

This is the problem I face with all internet low IQ atheists. Too stupid to understand why they are wrong.

>> No.20889222

>>20889208
>God did it

>> No.20889237 [DELETED] 

>>20888842
hail odin>>20888998
fuck xtians ure cucks

>> No.20889253

>>20889159
>>20889189
Change your ways before it’s too late dude. Don’t play with God, it’s not a game. Christianity built all the prosperity and good you see today, Western civilization is built upon it. When we began to turn our backs on Christ is when we began to decline. Paganism leads to human and child sacrifice and Godless countries are hellholes like China and the USSR before it. America is losing God and it is in a sorry state today.

>> No.20889256

>>20889237
Odin is welcome here. We only exclude YHWH since he's such a sensitive bitch.

>> No.20889257

>>20888729
Amen

>> No.20889269

>>20889253
>Paganism leads to human and child sacrifice and Godless countries are hellholes like China and the USSR before it. America is losing God and it is in a sorry state today.

kek. Jesus fuck dude, get help, your imaginary bff is raping you.

>> No.20889270

>>20889253
Don't bother with that loser. He has heard the gospel plenty and simply hates the LORD. Let him enjoy his short little life in ignorance.

>> No.20889275

>>20888729
amen

>> No.20889279

>>20888729
HAHAHAHAAHA. JESUS? Who that?

>> No.20889283

>>20888729
business and finance, christcuck. back to /x/

>> No.20889287

>>20888729
Thank you jesus, send your angels to guide me and watch over my loved ones.

>> No.20889290

>>20889237
Pagans sacrific babies to Moloch or quetzalcoatl. Look up all pagan societies. Every single one ends up with depravity and human sacrifice. It’s demonic. God intervened on our behalf by coming to Earth in human form as Jesus. He showed us the way.

>> No.20889299

>>20889253
Hahaha oh really all of it?

>> No.20889309

>>20889048
Old testament god is pissed off and vengeful. new testament Jesus dies for us all because he loves us so much.

Life is short, live in the moment, tommorow is not a guarantee

>> No.20889310

>>20889269
Enjoy hell, God has already given you up to a reprobate mind it seems. I’ll pray for you.

>> No.20889320

>>20888729
Mods come on now, business?

>> No.20889336

>>20889116
Pagans invented wife-sharing. They are filthy and without guidance.

>> No.20889338 [DELETED] 

>>20889256
>.
jesus is communist>>20889290

who likes xtianity are secretary communists
jesus were there first communist

>> No.20889339

>>20889310
>using threats that a jewish alien made to control humanity
ahahaha, not this time jewhova

>> No.20889352

>>20889310
He sent me here to disbelieve in him, duh. You really think your all-powerful god could be ignored by some rando? You need more faith.

>> No.20889404

>>20889338
>>20889339
Keep mocking Christ and the Lord. All will acknowledge his divinity at the end of time and you will have to answer for why you turned your back on him.

>>20889352
God gave us free will.

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>>20888826
Even if we assume option 4 is correct it still leads to a number of possible conclusions:
1) I am literally god and this reality is some kind of dream where I shuffle around my own components creating the illusion of causality, time and change, outside of the parameters of the dream I am eternal, endless, timeless, and causality doesn't exist therefore I was never and need not ever have been made.
2) I am created by a singular all power all present deity with no personal allegiances and there may be a hierarchy of gods and demigods all of whom act within this world, Christ, Buddha, Krishna, just being entities so powerful compared to us they were deemed gods by our ancestors.
3) It was created by an all powerful, singular deity, who's purpose for us is not fully understood and who may completely intend for us to be recycled to create new humans in the future.
The amount of logical steps to go from >there is a God to >my God is real and I will be given eternal salvation, have yet to be demonstrated through pure reason, and I see this as a Christian who sees his own faith as a more intuitive process than a logical one. Interested in hearing your thoughts on all this.

>> No.20889433

>>20889404
Meds.

>> No.20889435

>>20888729
Amen

>> No.20889436

>>20889404
I will answer why I tuned my back with no fear and no shame, that cunt owes all humans an apology.

>> No.20889442 [DELETED] 

>>20889404
Hail Odin. xtianity faggots destroyed rome empire, fuck u communists

>> No.20889452

>>20889405
Irrelevant.

My post was not here to prove Jesus is God. It was to prove that a God exists.

If you want to know what God actually made the universe, pray to Him now that you know He exists. Only one God will answer and it wont be buddha, allah, krishna or some other false idol.

t. former occultist and atheist and yes I did exactly what I just recommended you do and Jesus Christ Himself showed up. Literally in my room.

>> No.20889463

>>20889405
Don't bother trying logic. Even this "believer"'s moral standpoint is shaky because they're acting under fear of torture. Secular morality is the only true morality. And I reckon if God exists they'd give me props for being moral for moral's sake.

>> No.20889475

>>20889433
>>20889436
>>20889442
lol sad I once thought I knew it all too, God will humble you at the end of time. And lol at pagans I mean you can’t be serious.

>> No.20889486

>>20889475
>And lol at pagans I mean you can’t be serious

At least we agree on that

>> No.20889491

>>20889452
>jesus appeared in my room

>> No.20889500

>>20889463
Right? lol. Every testimony is made under duress.

>> No.20889503

Amen

>> No.20889508

>>20888826
You just proved >>20888799 point completely

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20889519

Ave Satani.

>> No.20889522

>>20889463
>>20889500
Are you guys really this ignorant about Christianity?

Being saved = I can never go to hell to begin with. I have no fear of hell, only unsaved people do.

You people have no excuse for your ignorance, it is sheer stupidity on purpose.

>> No.20889540

>>20889519

>> No.20889550

>>20889486
Turn to Christ dude. Ask for him and he will reveal himself to you. Try it yourself with sincerity. I was once like you but when I asked God for a sign he gave it to me. It’s worth a shot, no?

>>20889519
Careful with what side you choose.

>> No.20889553

>>20889522
Why would a nonbeliever fear a consequence made up by people saying literally unbelievable shit?

>> No.20889562

amen his light shines on LINK

>> No.20889564

>>20888826
This is so closed minded you can't just say options are impossible. Option 3 is definitely possible. In fact you call option 3 impossible yet apply the very same thing to god. Why can good be self-existent but not the universe? It eventually results in the convenient "God is above the laws of reality" which essentially results in "I can make him fit any theory I want because he's magic". It's absolute midwit cope.

>> No.20889566

>>20889550
Yeah, I did that. I met the guy, he's a douche. Satan has always been the savior of humanity... he's been trying to free us from the abusive power-tripping asshole since the early days.

>> No.20889577

>>20889564
Read all I write before you ask stupid questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPCzEP0oD7I

>> No.20889589

>>20889553
Your lack of belief is in itself a belief. You cannot prove that Gos doesen’t exist.

>>20889566
You make your choice, I’ve made mine.

>> No.20889599

>>20889589
well god be with ye then <3

>> No.20889613

>>20889599
God bless you, may you find the truth.

>> No.20889614

>>20889566
Matthew 12:36
King James Version

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

>> No.20889774

>>20888810
>>20888826
tldr. also, all this theoretical metaphysical bullshit based on literally no evidence

>> No.20889805

>>20889614
I can't wait to hear his excuses for bone cancer in children.

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>>20889774
It's a logical argument, you absolute idiot.

I'm out of this thread. Not seen this many morons in such a short period of time, condensed into one small thread.

>>20889805
Read the first 3 pages of the bible, it's called free will and sin, you low IQ retard. You hate Christianity and God and yet you are the most ignorant one about Christianity. You will face the wrath of God something awful.

>> No.20889850

>>20889826
Punish those babies, damn their heathen souls. Ask god to save you from him!

>> No.20889866

This is an ideological battle of godless redditors vs Christpilled biztards.

>> No.20889883

>>20889866
Blessed be.

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>>20888799
dubs of deceit

>> No.20889935

>>20889463
>secular morality
Is a spook, any careful logical examination of morality under a secular logical framework collapses. Darwinian models of morality a la Dawkins essentially boil down to 'you should be moral because if everyones moral everyone benefits' but it doesn't hold up to game theory because my own morality doesn't affect other people's decision to be moral just like my own vote won't sway an election, it always becomes the most rational position to not be moral on the assumption that everyone else will be.

>> No.20889944

>>20889850
my iq is 168 and youre an idiot. i get more sentience out of children. im a christian. debate me if you want to be destroyed.

>> No.20889964

>>20889452
But that's precisely why intuition should be the only basis for any belief, if you are guided to believe in Christ through an unmediated experience (e.g. prayer) then that is the same reason you should believe in God and there is no need for reasoning God's existence through logic. All reasoning is subject to biases from material experience, thus any truly resilient belief will paradoxically stem from an unbiased, immediate, experience of spirituality.

>> No.20890006

>>20889964
You are assuming that is the only reason I believe. When in fact that is just one reason I gave for my belief.

Why is Christianity the truth? In summary, Jesus Christ rose from the dead, claiming to be God.

>Minimal Facts argument with Gary Habermas, short and long version:

Short version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cdre-w4vSs

Long version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWHIWP2qgs&t=

>Cold Case Christianity by J. Warner Wallace, a former atheist cold case detective who uses his skills to determine if Christianity is true:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN2EKL7E2Vg&t=

All evidence points to Jesus Christ having risen from the dead. Jesus Christ is God, and can be proven to be so, objectively.

>> No.20890020

>>20888729
nein. all prosperity comes from how you treat your wife/women.
God made it so, but he does not interfere. outside of the powers of prayer. (prayer is just as powerful as magick).

>> No.20890024

>>20889944
Oh good, for a second there I thought you were serious. Have a good night.

>> No.20890063

>>20889964
in the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter).

genesis 1:1

the three conditions required for 3 dimensional existence

>> No.20890074

>>20890024
im not the guy you were arguing with, but seriously if you have questions, i have answers.

>> No.20890099

>>20888909
have you tried Study of the Unseen? cuz that shit will demolish you whether you believe in it or not

>> No.20890104

>>20888729
Amen

>> No.20890121

>>20890074
Thank you sincerely but no, just trolling a troll thread. Your God owes too many apologies to babies for me to ever consider asking him for... Anything. Hail Satan.

>> No.20890128

>>20890063
the first thing to be created is water. go back to sleep, Chris
what you're promoting is a personal interpretation of old religious text

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>>20890006
Just to add to my previous statements, I think that this is one aspect that Eastern philosophy understood better than Western philosophy, which is that instead of building systematic axioms and hoping to come to a truthful conclusion on their basis it is far more conducive to 'empty one's mind' and allow for direct experience unmediated by the biases that arise from systematic thought process. I think more people have been led away from Christianity by logical thinkers like Thomas Aquinas, Leibniz, Pascal, et al. As profoundly impressed as I am by their logical prowess I think it's counter-productive to try to reason with people because even if you're reasoning is sound the basis of all reason is itself not resilient. Even a statement like 'Christ rose from the dead' can never be positive or negative without making countless assumptions about the nature of reality, e.g. the existence of a past that is causally linked to the present. Or the assertion that God is an ever present being, this statement is neither true nor false because it implicitly makes assumptions about transience itself: the idea that some things are transient creations in contrast to intransient things. All of these ideas are fundamentally rooted to our caveman-tier materialist wiring so that we construct endless arguments that mean things are categorically permanent or impermanent when we have no way of knowing this to be true, thus causing an endless back and forth of arguments when in fact something might be BOTH transient and intransient or any number of other incomprehensible states.
To conclude upon all this I find Christianity to be the most compelling belief when I contemplate what originally made it so revolutionary which is the deeper metaphysics that is a marriage of both Eastern and Western philosophy, an intersection of Platonic idealism, Hindu cosmology, and Zoroastrian ethics. I think too much time is spent on Christian eschatology.

>> No.20890165

>>20890146
Romans 1:22-28

>> No.20890171

>>20890128
>the first thing to be created is water
citation needed

>> No.20890299

>>20890171
בראשית ברא אלוהים את השמיים ואת הארץ.
הארץ הייתה תוהו וובוהו וחושך פני תהום. ורוח אלוהים מרחפת על פני המים.
translation of the 2nd passage is and the land was chaos and darkness upon an(could be "the") abyss. and the spirit of God travels upon the water.
so 1st thing that was created was water. in my religion we believe Lucifer was the first to use true Magick because he made the water for God. He was not commanded to do so.
if you know anything about Magick, then you would know that Christ used Magick, much like Lucifer, what he created was from his own accord and or that it was lain upon him, like Moses or Abraham.
one whose Will isn't his own cannot use Magick. Because Magick requires individual thought.
I know it's off-topic but I thought you might enjoy it

>> No.20890339

Amen, praise

>> No.20890340

>>20890299
ok stop trolling you idiot

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>>20888799
>God doesn’t exist. Any objection to this is cope.

>> No.20890366

>>20889866
Checked. Plebbit atheists are cancer.

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>>20888729
Amen.

>> No.20890379

>>20888729
If I ever go to hell I hope I look like some sick spider demon which would burn your soul with fear

That's be neat

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>>20888729

Amen.

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>>20889866
Yes and they should go back

>> No.20890538

>>20888729
Based

>> No.20890607

>>20888729
For I may lose every cent I have and become the poorest on earth, yet still be the richest man through his promise of eternal life.
Amen.

>> No.20890619

>>20888810


Someone has been reading the gnostic bible. God the creator is Satan/demiurge Jesus was the son of the father a seperate being.

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>>20888729
When you are ready, the better book is waiting.
Unless you are scared to read it, of course.

>> No.20890949

>>20890619
I don't read trash. Gnosticism is retardation.

>> No.20890991

>>20888729
Amen

>>20888799
The first sip of natural sciences turns you into an atheist but God is waiting for you at the bottom of the glass

>> No.20891010

>>20890727
>the God delusion

oh my God... you can't be serious lmao

>> No.20891175

>>20889826
>It's a logical argument, you absolute idiot.
doesnt matter. logical arguments dont mean shit absent of facts, which you didnt provide. also, your 'argument' being posted in this thread directly under OP implies you support the christian version of a higher power which complicates your argument even more and in a way that doesnt help you

>> No.20891319

>>20888729
Based and amenpilled. Don't forget to tithe 10% when you make it.

>> No.20891364

>>20888729
Amen.

>> No.20891366

Jesus is Lord

>> No.20891534

>>20891175
>doesnt matter. logical arguments dont mean shit absent of facts

You are literally too low IQ to understand that what you just said is retarded. That's all I wish to convey to you at this time.

>> No.20891804
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20891804

So God gives us free will and a mind that can look at available evidence and form opinions, then he hides to create room for doubt and sets us on fire if we don't believe that he exists?

Oh and he created diseases like foul brood and aplasia cutis just for good measure, because he's such a swell guy.

>> No.20892065
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20892065

>>20888729
Amen.

>> No.20892098

>>20888729
Amen

>> No.20892143
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20892143

>>20889826
Thanks for your texts they were great and nice and God is great and forever will be amen brother.

>> No.20892790

>>20888729
Based and thanks-giving pilled

>> No.20892803

>>20888729
Amen
Thank you lord for giving me the opportunity to get in PNK early

>> No.20892863

>>20888729
Amen

>> No.20892914

>>20888826
Absolutely based contingency anon

Something cannot come from nothing
There exists something, therefore there was never nothing
This something could not bring itself into existence because to do that it would have to exist before it existed
Therefore something else had to bring it into existence
That something is what all men, from the beginning of time, referred to as “God”

Amen

>> No.20893024

>>20892914
He is the alpha and the omega. He sent His Son to free us from the Saturn/Satan prison cube so that we freely choose to be with him.