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Jurors of /biz/: I'm here today on behalf of users on the 'Yes' side of Kleros case 302. I present to you the following evidence: https://ipfs.kleros.io/ipfs/QmRgKN8dFTENjirXVdvSjVNYk6fWTWqFjZo8rNdS3q7Nh8
A short summary of the dispute is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25hFyjQ0PJI
I urge all PNK stakers present to vote fairly and in good faith based on the information above. Furthermore, memes or any other contributions to the thread are greatly appreciated.

>> No.20617086

>>20617047
why

>> No.20617096

>>20617047
Based pink ID.

The obvious answer is Yes here. >1000 deaths was in fact reported.

>> No.20617330

>>20617086
>>20617096
Currently Yes is winning by a large margin.

>> No.20617482

How is this allowed
Why is this wanted
How is pnk successful
What
The
Fuck
Xmr or fuck off

>> No.20617523

This shit is interesting, love pnk and omen

>> No.20617526

>>20617330
Isnt it a flaw that votes already casted can be viewed before the end?

>> No.20617580

>>20617482
>How is pnk successful
Look at the use case.
>>20617526
Definitely. Luckily, Yes is the correct answer, so people right now are incentivized to vote Yes or risk a penalty.

>> No.20617817

>>20617523
>This shit is interesting, love pnk and omen
This is honestly one of the only cryptos that actually does anything kek, it's amazing

>> No.20618060

Voted Yes.

>> No.20618092
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kek looks like it's time to dump bois

>> No.20618131
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>>20618092
Sure, because 4chan has never been right before, right?

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>>20618131
People were shitting on 4chan linkies since 2017. And now look at them. PNK is the same story. History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.

>> No.20618270

>>20617526
"As this two step processes of committing and then revealing one’s vote requires additional user interactions, in some low stakes courts, one might want votes to be issued publicly to simplify the user experience. Which system is used is determined via a court parameter, see Section 4.11 ongovernance."

From the yellow paper.

>>20618092
Nice Id there anon, good luck.

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20618293

>>20617047
lol.

This isnt a dispute case.

This is gambling!


OP and jurors ITT are degenerate gamblers!

>> No.20618313

>>20617526
this bugs me too
why are votes visable?
did realt.io fuck up making the case so that the votes were selected to "visible"?
surely "invisible" is an option somewhere (does it cost more?)

>> No.20618390

>>20618313
Every juror has to do 2 transactions if votes are "invisible": one to commit the vote and then after the period ended one to reveal the vote.
Yeah this is not really a "low stake court" I guess, so votes should've been set to invisible.

>> No.20618506

>>20618131
>Small poll of jurors
>Able to view the voting process
>Jurors in the loser side lose staked pnk
>people already associating Kleros to 4chan

Sure fren!

>> No.20618608

>>20618293
Source? Asking for a friend...

>> No.20618848

I got my Yes vote in already btw
>>20618293
What about this is gambling? Vote based on evidence.

>> No.20619307

bump

>> No.20619630

>>20617047
So what are some more uses of the kleros court system? I understand this case as a proof of concept. Where do we go from here besides hype and the token price increasing? Not FUDding, I hold a lot

>> No.20619690

>>20619630
>So what are some more uses of the kleros court system? I understand this case as a proof of concept. Where do we go from here besides hype and the token price increasing? Not FUDding, I hold a lot
In the last thread someone proposed using it to debate controversial topics such as the Holocaust.

>> No.20619793

>>20619630
it's on case 302 so it's been around for a bit, this is just the first high profile case to have happened (so far)

>> No.20619898

http://kleroscan.com/dispute/302
"Yes" currently leads by a 50% margin (two to one).

>> No.20620096

bump

>> No.20620471
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20620471

https://twitter.com/kmobiledev/status/1286299670197739520

>> No.20620558

http://kleroscan.com/dispute/302

How come this address with 69mill pnk gets to vote 80 times?

0x00B5ADe4ac1fE9cCc08Addc2C10070642335117F

>> No.20620741

>>20619898
the distribution is weird

>> No.20620794

>>20620558
lol wtf!

>> No.20620810

>>20620558
goddamn, that's 5 million dollars in pnk right there

>> No.20621206

>>20620810
thiccc

>> No.20621631

>>20617096
>The obvious answer is Yes here. >1000 deaths was in fact reported.
Twice: https://ipfs.kleros.io/ipfs/QmRgKN8dFTENjirXVdvSjVNYk6fWTWqFjZo8rNdS3q7Nh8

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20621847

https://vocaroo.com/813KQodGI4h

>> No.20621899
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>>20621847
https://vocaroo.com/awgfw0sI8hD

>> No.20621923

>>20621847
Yes

>> No.20622063
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>>20621923

>> No.20622160

>>20619898
How come you can see the votes cast? Surely the whole point is the voters don't know this information.

>> No.20622406

>>20622160
Apparently a DAO can rule in favor of enabling submarine votes but they haven't yet. In any case, this only appears to help the Yes side right now.

>> No.20622453

>>20621847
based

>> No.20622583

>>20621847
>>20621899
kek

>> No.20623416

PNK stakers in here?

>> No.20624155

>>20623416
Reporting in. What's your stack lad?

>> No.20624218

>>20623416
ye boi
voting yes on 302, too

>> No.20624524

>>20620810
>goddamn, that's 5 million dollars in pnk right there
Dude bought the jury

>> No.20624831

>>20624218
I wonder where all the memers went

>> No.20625028

>>20624831
memers come and go

>> No.20625482

I think the token will dump hard if the answer is "no"

>> No.20625716

>>20625482
for the sake of kleros it needs to be "yes"
i hope there isn't some dumb fuck whale that got like 40 votes that'll fuck it up

>> No.20625843

>>20625716
>i hope there isn't some dumb fuck whale that got like 40 votes that'll fuck it up
The whales stand to lose the most if they vote wrong so they are the most likely to read the evidence in theory.

>> No.20625964

how doth I shot web?

>> No.20625996

>>20625843
true, imagine losing thousands on the wrong vote, or the price taking after a bad vote

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>>20625482
>>20625716
This is wrong in my opinion.
It is important for us to figure out weather or not the source is reputable.
What would stop a scammy website from posting bait on Omen to then misreport to rig the market and profit off of that?
Our job in my opinion is to prevent these things from happening. And not to just say "muh technically it was asked this way in the question so it is technically true".
So it is not just the question was it reported? But also if the source is legitimate.
(Not saying anything like the above happened here just trying to point out that it is not that easy)

>> No.20626136

>>20617526
No, it’s actually an essential part of the game theory that makes kleros work

>> No.20626188

>>20626102
Finally, someone with a brain.

>> No.20626215

>>20626102
i imagine john hopkin's university would be a reputable source

>> No.20626230

>>20626102
Statnews sourced from Johns Hopkins
If you think JHU isn’t reputable, or isn’t more reputable than fucking (((WHO))), you are smoking crack

>> No.20626234

>>20626102
It's easy. It's a prediction market. Read the link in the OP. It takes five minutes.

>> No.20626323

>>20626102
Your job is absolutely NOT to reinterpret the original question of the prediction market. Your job is to read the statement as it was written and then answer if ANY data source reported >1000.
In the future, these markets should be parameterized better and that will be up to the creators of the market and users who bet on it.

>> No.20626407

>>20626136
>>20626230
Read the yellow paper section 4.6.
>>20626234
>>20626230

>Did anyone of you actually check where John Hopkins sources it's data from?

If yes shoot me a link.

What were the people using the Omen prediction marked betting on? That some source reports over 1000? Or that the consensus is that over 1000 cases are reported in the time frame?

>> No.20626451

>>20626323
>Your job is absolutely NOT to reinterpret the original question of the prediction market
Personally I'd argue that the context of the prediction market is important in that it is what is utilizing Kleros for arbitration. If you ignore all context, then people who took positions in the prediction market stand to lose money on a seemingly random and subjective basis. Also, the context of the prediction market definitely supports a position of Yes.

>> No.20626459

Idiotic basement nazis want to ruin kleros’ credibility like they did Link by associating it with alt right stupidity and muh freedums

>> No.20626472

>>20626407
https://court.kleros.io/cases/302

That's the point, the question must be answered literally to avoid ambiguity. And as long as the sources are valid, the answer is Yes.

>> No.20626495

>>20626459
It doesn't matter, we're in an echo chamber

>> No.20626544

>>20626459
>Idiotic basement nazis want to ruin kleros’ credibility like they did Link by associating it with alt right stupidity and muh freedums
Could someone explain how anything in this thread has anything to do with alt right? What year is it even? 2016? Who the fuck uses the term alt right? Fuck off retard.

>> No.20626661

>>20626544
>seething polfaggot

It has to do with everyone saying no being a basement nazi incel that wants to vote no to
“Own da Mask Wearin libs” instead of just answering a simple fuckin question

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>>20626407
>the consensus
>on pandemic fatality data

>> No.20626789

>>20626451
Sure and as you stated in this case there was no context. I don't think anyone who bet on it anticipated kleros jurors making up rules and stipulations after the fact. If this doesn't resolve as a yes it will be a bad precedent to set.

>> No.20626815

>>20626661
not true, I know the virus is bullshit, still voting Yes because the question asked what the question asked.

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>>20626544
>>20626688
Checked
>based

>> No.20626924

>>20621899
checked and kekked

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20627093

Jurors in a decentralized system really need to pass some kind of IQ test. If you can't solve this, you shouldn't be able to vote.

>> No.20627217

>>20617047
this is so fucking stupid. not sure why kleros fags keep pointing to this like its proof of something great. how many days does it take to get external data into a smart contract? how much eth?
what is it like, 50+ ETH and 2 weeks now since the first week of july ended? this is not a proper oracle. don't tell me that's not what it's trying to be either because this isn't subjective data, it's objective data.

>> No.20627327

>>20627217
>this is so fucking stupid. not sure why kleros fags keep pointing to this like its proof of something great. how many days does it take to get external data into a smart contract? how much eth?
>what is it like, 50+ ETH and 2 weeks now since the first week of july ended? this is not a proper oracle. don't tell me that's not what it's trying to be either because this isn't subjective data, it's objective data.
100 ETH. What's the answer, Mr. Objective?

>> No.20627369

>>20627093
Agree

>> No.20627368
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20627368

ATTENTION ALL PNKIES
I USED TO BE LIKE YOU
BUT I HAD TO TAKE MY PROFITS TO MOVE ALONG SOMETHING EVEN MORE INTERSTING

IF YOU ARE IN IT FOR PROFIT
READ
>>20627115
>>20627115
>>20627115

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20627375

>thought Kleros Court was a meme
>it's actually the primary use case of PNK
extremely bullish for the alt season that a joke coin like this is steadily increasing

>> No.20627415

>>20627368
Attention you: fuck off

>> No.20627439

>>20627093
it's 50% and don't tell me it isn't

>> No.20627594

>>20627439
>it's 50% and don't tell me it isn't
kek

>> No.20627643
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20627643

Yes sirruh. I have finish program very robust court. See they vote yes very coherent on new 302 case. Father and Vishnu proud. Vitalik also has pride. Trust me. I’m programmer professionally. Very good omen sirs. Happy curry!

>> No.20628108

>>20627643
>Yes sirruh. I have finish program very robust court. See they vote yes very coherent on new 302 case. Father and Vishnu proud. Vitalik also has pride. Trust me. I’m programmer professionally. Very good omen sirs. Happy curry!
to be fair there is a lot of money involved here and they have functional products

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>>20628108
Many function indeed sir. Lot of DApp. Uses yes. You want hunt elephant and tiger please? I show you.

>> No.20628350

>>20617482
>Criminal hates coin of justice
Really makes you think

>> No.20628426

>>20621847
I'd ignore 5 positive tests for the chinkhoax flu

>> No.20628537

>>20628350
>Really makes you think
really makes you pnk

>> No.20628872

>>20628294
>hurr everything is pajeet
why do you even post?

>> No.20629435

>>20628872
It’s all I have ever since my dick broke

>> No.20629503

bump

>> No.20629630

>>20629435
>It’s all I have ever since my dick broke
tell us which coin you bought

>> No.20629768

What is the use of this? Why would anyone actually use this for anything not important enough to go to an actual court? What prevents moron jurors from voting for the wrong answer? What prevents people from paying off/buying juror accounts and voting in their favor? This just seems like a fun debate game with little actual important value. See case 302

>> No.20629787

why did the discord trannies behind kleros associate it with pajeet memes? seems stupid to me

>> No.20629814

>>20629787
it was semi-fud and i find it hilarious

>> No.20629951

bump

>> No.20630010

>>20629768
Someone suggested using it to dispute controversial topics which I think is a good idea

>> No.20630036

>>20629787
>why did the discord trannies behind kleros associate it with pajeet memes?
What are pajeet memes?

>> No.20630069
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>>20630036
they're subtle

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20630147

Here’s an interesting nugget for you cucks. Colin Rule striking again.

>> No.20630227

>>20630069
kek

>> No.20630237

How could you own $PNK but not own $ANJ too

>> No.20630276

>>20630147
oh nice, i'd listen to this

>> No.20630313

>>20630237
The same reason I own Link, but not Mobius.

>> No.20630351

>>20630276
ya i think colin rule is more into the "designing online court rooms for local government boomers" but it is great to see that someone as respected as colin rule is even interested in the technology

>> No.20630389

>>20630351
and he made ebays dispute resolution software so im sure he's a nice friend to have in the industry

>> No.20630393

>>20629787
they didn’t associate it, they just embraced it.

>> No.20630402
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>>20630313
The dashboards are the same

ANJ is a one mil cap, doing exactly the same.

>> No.20630461

>>20630393
>>20629787
where does one find this discord?

>> No.20630498

>>20630402
It's a clone and therefore we should buy it? Huh?

>> No.20630646

>>20630498
https://aragon.org/blog/aragon-court-is-live-on-mainnet

Anon i'm not here to dicksize, we want money here.

Aragon have exactly the same project valued 1/37th less on the market right now.

Aragon are listed on coinbase and It is well worth buying a small bag of this right now

>> No.20630685

>>20630646
Released November 2019 and nobody gave a shit. That was one year ago. PNK has like 50 dApps operating from a single token.

>> No.20630789

>>20630685
Who gives a fuck no one cared, your saying your competitors are worth pennies?

Thats not how valuations work. You make money by finding similar projects grossly misrepresented by current market caps

37M cap and a 1M cap is clearly one of those

Stay poor and don't buy. I own both

>> No.20630807

>>20630789
It's not a 1M cap either you lying fuck

>> No.20631005

>>20630807
Apologies for liking both decentralised courts. There are only two. I won't buy the next one sorry faggot

>> No.20631018

>>20631005
>muh 1M
nice reply.

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20631032

>>20630789
Cope

>> No.20631499

>>20631005
>>20631018
Isn't Augur working on one of these?

>> No.20631628

bump

>> No.20631802

>>20631628
Curry

>> No.20631869

>>20631005
Just checked and this piece of shit has a 50M market cap because it's tied to ANT.

>> No.20631875

>>20617047
>>20631768

>> No.20631913

>>20631768
>this coin is so much better and yours is a spam campaign
>yeah I have to post in your thread to get attention so what??

>> No.20632247

>>20631869
>>20631005
no reply?

>> No.20632699

>>20628426
>literally still falling for the chink "the virus is totally a hoax and not a bioweapon we unleashed" ploy

>> No.20632793

>>20630789
fuck off jorge

>> No.20632965

bump

>> No.20633088

>>20617047
Nice to see a quality post.

>> No.20633160

>>20626136
Are the jurors able to debate with each other?
What happens when the case hinges on the Coronavirus or the Holohoax not being fake and gay?

>> No.20633216

>>20632699
>he doesn't know about the 5g antennas

>> No.20633240

>>20626688
>the consensus
>>on pandemic fatality data

Right?
The death counts in this psyop are made up by a Kabbalist who meets at Bilderburg.

>> No.20633487

>>20633240
>Right?
>The death counts in this psyop are made up by a Kabbalist who meets at Bilderburg.
you're joking around like an idiot but it really is fake wake up sheeple

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20633884

if a correct answer to this was required for juror selection, how many jurors would pass?

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>>20633884
>if a correct answer to this was required for juror selection, how many jurors would pass?
how about this?