Oligarchy

[Anonymous No.20038325]

>blue collar workers builds big homes
>dont actually make enough to live in it
Am I the only one that thinks blue collar workers get cucked hard?
Hard work. Shit pay. Shit culture. Shit everything.

They are the backbone to a society and get mediocre rewards for it while other people that dont create as much value to society get more in return.

[Anonymous No.20038439]

>>20038325
bump

[Anonymous No.20038591]

buuump

[Anonymous No.20038841]

>>20038325
woooooow I am pretty no one ever thought that. You are so smart anon.

[Anonymous No.20038860]

>>20038841
The fuck?? Are you trying to communicate in english? Youre not being coherent

[Anonymous No.20039024]

>>20038325
It's called mass low skilled immigration, coupled with a basic understanding of how supply and demand works. That's all the data you need to understand why blue collar workers get paid shit compared to what their inflation adjusted wages were 50 years ago. Obviously you are not the only one who thinks that, anyone with two braincells can see what's going on.

[Anonymous No.20039148]

>>20039024
I can see that too, you dumbass retard. My whole point is how this system doesnt reward you based on effort. It was a way for me to show the "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" argument is full of shit.

Hahahahaha I cant believe you couldnt see that. What a retard.
>I-I was only pretending to be retarded!
kek, dumbass bitch

[Anonymous No.20039184]

>>20039024
Also want to point out that trump's economy is shit in general. You righties are retarded. Pre corona, 78% of fulltime workers lives paycheck to paycheck, 50% of renters were cost burdened, 30% of jobs paid hardship wages, and 32% paid livable wages.

[Anonymous No.20039204]

>>20039148
>system does not reward on effort

why the fuck would it do that. Value is subjective just because you work hard on something does not give it value.

>dumbass retard

I remember when I was in middle school too, it looks like those Marxist teachers are really doing their job. Anon please log off of mommy's computer she won't be happy to find green frog med in her download file.

[Anonymous No.20039225]

>>20039184
>trump
>right

pick one

[Anonymous No.20039229]

>>20039204
> why the fuck would it do that.
boomers on this board beg to differ, retard. Are you new? This was m way of showing how retarded their logic is.

>m-middle school!
Kek. No real argument so you just pull shit out of your ass. HAHAHA what a fucking dumbass having to make shit up to gain leverage

[Anonymous No.20039245]

>>20039225
Oh right. Trump is a lefty /s. Fucking hell, this board is going to shit with you rednecks

[Anonymous No.20039256]

>>20038860
He's being sarcastic you dense fuck, every idiot who doesn't understand basic supply and demand thinks the economy should work based on "fairness"

[Anonymous No.20039262]

>>20039225
Have to respond again because of how utterly retarded this post was. What the flying FUCK is he then? Holy SHIT, you cant be serious.

[Anonymous No.20039271]

>>20039229
you aren't showing anything, just make an actual fucking point instead of saying what you were trying to do

[Anonymous No.20039301]

>>20039262
Buddy just because he nationalistic and hates Mexicans does not mean he has right-wing economic views.

[Anonymous No.20039309]

>>20039256
No shit, retard. The "woooow" gave it away. Haha now going on strawman arguments. Making up that i was referring to "not understanding sarcasm" even though that wasnt the point I was making. I was saying his wording was dogshit regardless of the sarcasm. Fucking retarded as a mother fucker. This is exactly why incest is a joke. We get faggots like you.

Also, no fucking shit everything in a free market is based on supply and demand and not effort. Are you illiterate? Yes, because I clearly said I acknowledged that and was making a point to boomers that dont see it that way and think "all you have to do is try!!".

Moron. How the fuck is anyone this fucking dumb? Serious question

[Anonymous No.20039323]

>>20039301
Then what the fuck is he? Progressive? Youre fucking retarded. Hes nothing then? Kek

>>20039271
>you aren't showing anything, just make an actual fucking point
Making a point IS showing "something", dipshit.

[Anonymous No.20039340]

>>20038325
Blue collar workers deserve to be poor. Any monkey can swing a hammer and wrench around. Doing basic menial labor, such as construction, does not entitle you to a good wage regardless of how 'noble' it is. If anything, we need even more cheap labor to come here so I can knock off an extra 10% on the next beach house I plan on buying next Summer. Anyways, tradies and blue collar idiots deserve to rot in shit, basically.

[Anonymous No.20039341]

>>20039148

[Anonymous No.20039370]

>>20039340
Damn bro

[Anonymous No.20039371]

>>20039340
>Any monkey can swing a hammer and wrench around.
keeeeeeeeek spoken like a true neet. Even though I dont do blue collar, even i know how complicated a journeyman's job is. They have to sometimes even design plans themseves. They have to lead a team and know where everything goes. Have to navigate the nec. Have to know the different types of material to use such as wire size, type of wire, etc. Have to know how to troubleshoot.

You clearly havent had a job ever especially in the trades if you think its just "swinging a hammer".
> knock off an extra 10% on the next beach house I plan on buying next Summer.
One step at a time. Start with getting a job

[Anonymous No.20039387]

>>20039341
>posts memes because I have destroyed their logic
sad youve got nothing left :)

[Anonymous No.20039413]

>>20039370
see: >>20039371

Retard hasnt worked before. I would LOVE to see this dunning kruger faggot do a journeyman's job. Would be funny
>b-but I though all I had to do was swing a hammer!

[Anonymous No.20039417]

>>20039184
and that justifies an economy run by leftists who apparently want to defund all police and open all borders?

[Anonymous No.20039421]

>>20039387
haven't destroyed anything just retarded ramblings, please just make one coherent point that I can respond to.

[Anonymous No.20039425]

>>20039309
basically what >>20039256
>every idiot who doesn't understand basic supply and demand thinks the economy should work based on "fairness"
Is saying is that if you don't support a Zionist Occupied Government and all the taxation and immigration laws that come with it, you will be going against that group and they will come after you. Things should be as you describe, and that way of life was not lost in the 50's, it was lost in the late 1860's when we allowed Jews to come to the US. Not long after we had the Federal Reserve Act passed, executive order 111111 or something like that REQUIRING all American citizens to turn in their gold to the banks. Usury is the root of why our industrial markets are not based on fairness. They use fairness like it is a dirty word, God forbid we actually reap what we sow for them.

[Anonymous No.20039435]

>>20039421
I did :). My point is the point you made (aka alone effort doesnt mean shit). Thing is you were too retarded to see that. Simple, retard.

[Anonymous No.20039436]

>>20039309
This guy probably uses Robinhood

[Anonymous No.20039456]

>>20039417
No one wants open boarders, retard. Neither to get rid of cops. What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.20039457]

>>20038325
I make $15/hr in burgerstan. Im a general laborer for a general contractor. I get paid shit because i don't know shit and my employer is an asshole. Learing is the key to higher wages in the us. Once ihave some experience and know what the duck is going on, i'm hoping to maybe start my own business as ageneral contractor
T. 23yo boomer

[Anonymous No.20039477]

>>20039435
>Am I the only one that thinks blue collar workers get cucked hard?
>Hard work. Shit pay. Shit culture. Shit everything.
>They are the backbone to a society and get mediocre rewards for it while other people that dont create as much value to society get more in return.

but then you say effort does not equal value.
Are you high?

[Anonymous No.20039486]

>>20039456
oh really so you haven't seen that both LA and Minneapolis voted to defund their police departments so they could spend more money on "colored" neighborhoods? where have you been for the last month?

[Anonymous No.20039520]

reminder you can make 90k delivering bread

[Anonymous No.20039531]

>>20039477
Are you? I am saying they invest a shit ton of effort and dont get shit in return. That this system os basically an OLIGARCHY system that benefits the rich and fucks everyone else over.

>>20039486
I said "get rid of cops", not that defunding isnt occuring. No one is choosing that. YOU said "all police".

[Anonymous No.20039552]

>>20039531
>invest a shit ton of effort
What I mean is they are quite literally why society is what it is.

But again, this system doesnt reward you based on effort. Thats why it is shit. Because people who are literally the backbone to society get treated like shit. It is an oligarchy system. A pyramid scheme system that only retards think is fine.

[Anonymous No.20039555]

>>20039531
wow you are really a retard, the entire country just saw a city taken over by protestors that want to get rid of the police and you say no one wants to get rid of the police?

[Anonymous No.20039566]

>>20039531
Do you know what an oligarchy is?

anyway, how do you think we should determine how to value effort?

I worked very hard on this reply because I am a monkey brained retard so it should be valued higher btw

[Anonymous No.20039603]

>>20039552
Also should point out the real issue is the dumbass real estate market. There should at least be homes/access to land in cities for minimalists. Having to pay half a mil for 500sqft is god damn retarded.
>t-then move!
Dumbass logic. People shouldnt HAVE to move in the first place. Homes should be priced on material and labor, not something that should be a business. Of course greedy dumbasses like a system that makes it so they dont have to work and live like leeches that have actual workers pay their rent like a bunch of neet leeches of society. Real estate is basically welfare for landlords

[Anonymous No.20039638]

>>20039340
Why are you so mad though , did an electrician fuck your girlfriend while you were at work.

[Anonymous No.20039665]

>>20038325
What are you....some sort of commie?

[Anonymous No.20039666]

>>20039555
I mean left policies arent about getting rid of the whole police, you dumb bitch. Try to keep up.

>>20039566
Do you? It's a system where wealth is funneled to the rich which is what we have.

Also monkey, I dont have a solution for the fucked up wages besides more unions. The real issue is real estate basically acting as a welfare mechanism. Basically had affordable housing been an actual thing, this country would never had been in such a sorry ass state where the grand majority are in fact struggling just for the fucking roof over their heads (which should be one of the easiest things to control the pricing of since it isn't like we need a god damn factory and workers to have land as that is a natural thing from earth and material and labor also arent consumable in a way that food is. Basically this system has a fucked real estate situation in order to keep the wagecucks working in the rat race which in turn guves neet bucks to the rich along with creating desperate workers while also not giving people a means of saving anything significant to invest as they would act as competitors which rich people hate).

[Anonymous No.20039671]

>>20039603
Bro, you are rambling. You keep saying random shit and then adding on to your own posts with more random shit. Love watching it tho you are so angry and so convinced you are smarter than everyone else.

>am I the only one

no you arent you are just as dumb as everyone else. There is your equality retard.

[Anonymous No.20039692]

>>20039665
Unironically people who think real estate should be a for profit business are the real commies. Just replace "government owning real estate" with "rich people owning real estate". Same difference.

This is a but farther from my point in the op, but basically what im saying here is real estate is the number ONE reason this country is fucked. Because of a lack of affordable housing which causes people to live in a constant state of near poverty (i.e. 78% of fulltime workers living paycheck to paycheck pre corona).

[Anonymous No.20039697]

>>20039301
So corporate welfare isn’t a basic tenet of conservatism in the US of A??? Color me retarded!

[Anonymous No.20039703]

>>20038325
>blue collar workers build yachts
>dont actually make enough to buy one of their own
it's almost... its almost as if human capital has other parts to it besides raw labor and physical power....

[Anonymous No.20039710]

>>20039666
living under an oligarchy is irrelevant. Altho we obviously live under a cabal of the political, corporate, and military elite.

My simple point is, you cant objectively value labor.

[Anonymous No.20039722]

>>20039671
>c-commie!!!
looool thats all you retards can say
>am I the only one
kek. Imagine being so retarded as to take that out of context :).

Secondly, the summary is there needs to be more unions to justly give people who create actual value a fair share
>whaaa "fair" is a bad word!
kek
along with needing to fix the real estate situation crap.

Im sorry these 2 points were hard to follow. Im sorry I thought you had a brain cell. Forgive me for thinking you were capable of thought?

[Anonymous No.20039727]

>>20038325
But anon! Think about the black and trans lives!

[Anonymous No.20039759]

>>20039710
Not labor itself, but you can value what is produced. Blue collar workers are taken advantage of. More unions are needed for them.

[Anonymous No.20039800]

Tradies I know make more than most white collar wagies and at least are actual men for the most part. Don’t like your boss on the job site? A tradie can typically flip him the bird, call him a faggot and maybe even fight him and be back to work the next day. You do that at any cubicle wage cuck job and you’ll be fired instantly, maybe if you’re lucky you keep your job and get 12 sessions of diversity/tolerance training. Also you’re most likely gonna have some passive aggressive lefty for a boss that takes out his frustration on you via beta male means such as more work and under handed comments in white collar wagie world. Shit truckers even make like 70k, I will say trade work is way harder on your body though and you may have to work with drug addicts/low IQ red necks.

[Anonymous No.20039804]

>>20039692
> Unironically people who think real estate should be a for profit business are the real commies.
Maybe in the derogatory sense

> Just replace "government owning real estate" with "rich people owning real estate". Same difference.
They’re kinda different. The former is socialized, the latter is privatized

> Just replace "government owning real estate" with "rich people owning real estate". Same difference.
I’d argue that there are a few bigger reasons that you normally see in empires in decline such as monetary policy, over expansion, cultural issues — but I dig your frustration

[Anonymous No.20039809]

>>20039148
>dumbass retard
the state of /biz/

[Anonymous No.20039821]

if you thought agentorange was bad wait til you see what they drop on us next. Don’t forget you’re just a wagie slavie in the great US of A and if you feel it’s time to tear off the shackles then it’s baked into the constitution to do so. It’s your duty anon. Meanwhile I’ll just be NEET over here til I die desu

[Anonymous No.20039829]

>>20039727
You understand black trans women are at the intersection of misogyny, racism, homophobia, and transphobia and what that implies, right anon??? You’re not a retard, are you anon???

[Anonymous No.20039873]

>>20038325
Blue collar worker culture is better than libcucks office culture

[Anonymous No.20039928]

>>20039873
But have you ever met a blue collar worker that wasn’t an ignorant slob?

[Anonymous No.20039938]

>>20038325
>blue collar workers builds big homes
>dont actually make enough to live in it
also this isn't even true. Trades people make good money and can easily afford houses that they work on. Drywall installers make a median wage of 48k a year (https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/drywall-and-ceiling-tile-installers-and-tapers.htm?view_full).). Plumbers and electricians make over 50k. The only blue collar workers who can't afford houses are people who are in their first years who don't have real skills yet

[Anonymous No.20039939]

>>20038325
all management positions got taken over by accountants, and accountants don't understand the real world they only understand numbers, so people who have real world skills get screwed by management assholes.

[Anonymous No.20039946]

>>20039928
But have you ever met a liberal that wasnt fucking insane? Not hard to make generalizations

[Anonymous No.20039988]

>>20039946
No, but I’ve met office workers that weren’t liburahls. Libcucks and conservatards are the two wings of the same neoliberalism bird anyways. A lot of grunts don’t realize that, but some of the office drones do

[Anonymous No.20039997]

>>20039938
>50k is good money
Anon, I.....

[Anonymous No.20040002]

>>20039997
This.

[Anonymous No.20040024]

>>20039997
even hr roasties make more. Blue collar is shit in this country. Barely considered middle class. Really though, if real estate were made in a way that made sense, even people making 15 an hr would be making "middle class" wages

[Anonymous No.20040082]

>>20039340
Then build it yourself. It shouldn't be to difficult for you.

[Anonymous No.20040102]

>>20040082
He is an example of the dunning kruger effect.

[Anonymous No.20040133]

>>20040102
>>20040082
>>20039371
sneed

[Anonymous No.20040163]

>>20039024
It's not just low-skill immigration that's a problem either. Think of all the white collar jobs that are being undermined by pajeets and chinks. We're getting fucked from both angles, and the only people to benefit are the kikes at the very top.

[Anonymous No.20040205]

As someone who is blue collar then started his own business and hires blue collar, making it all work is a lot of stress. And the only reason to take the stress is so you can get rich and then have the nice house. That's the only way capitalism can function.

[Anonymous No.20040257]

>>20039697
Yes goy, you have to eat 100% of the platforms peddled by your political party of choice.

[Anonymous No.20040391]

>>20038325
Being a general laborer is shit. Learn a specialized trade if you want to work with your hands. You will be ahead of the curve, robots aren't likely to replace you any time soon.

[Anonymous No.20040427]

>>20039456
Go move to Chaz. Ben Sharipo has pledged to help fund the cost of immigration for anyone who wants to live in Chaz for as ling as it lasts.

[Anonymous No.20040814]

>>20038325
Obviously. They should all read Karl Marx, master this shit, and literally break psychologically the Capitalist owners with it. Obviously that won't happen. But that's what they should do. When you want to defend yourself against bullies, you learn to fight. When you want to defent yourself against Capitalists, you have to understand the mechanisms of the scams, otherwise you are not convincing.

[Anonymous No.20040818]

>>20040102
The dunning-kruger effect is unironically the result of the cup-and-handle effect. In particular groups such as atheists victim to it and believe for there to be a steep ascent from their "slope of """enlightenment"""." Little do they know for there to be a second valley of despair...

[Anonymous No.20040846]

>>20040818
*fall victim to it...

[Anonymous No.20040851]

>>20040818
Pretty based

[Anonymous No.20040957]

>>20038325
construction workers make more than you do, faggot. Lots of them are self-employed millionaires.

you're thinking farm and restaurant and retail and unskilled service and all those other shit jobs that will never afford a home.

[Anonymous No.20040994]

>>20038325
>other people that dont create as much value to society get more in return

wrong. by definition, you get paid based on the value you provide to society. There is a demand for homes built, but a very supply of workers willing to do that. There is a high demand and low supply of (for example) high iQ programmers to build apps & software that millions use.
Read Basic Economics

[Anonymous No.20041001]

>>20040257
You don’t meet a lot of Americans, do you?

[Anonymous No.20041065]

>>20040102
ironic coming from you

[Anonymous No.20041098]

>>20041065
haha okay bitch. Quote an example. Oh wait. You cant :(

[Anonymous No.20041122]

>>20040994
>you get paid based on the value you provide to society
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Imagine being this naive. No, bitch. It's just based on what is more in demand and what sells. Not the same thing. Learn the difference, dumbass

[Anonymous No.20041149]

>>20040957
>l-lots of them!
Just as there are "lots" of rich youtubers. Fucking retard. The workers themselves live shit lives and make barely livable wages for creating one of the more useful things in society. Homes and all the random shit people buy. Its thanks to them, engineers, and cs people to name the main ones yet blue collar workers get the ass end of the stick

[Anonymous No.20041166]

>>20041149
>barely livable
*barely middle class

[Anonymous No.20041178]

>>20041166
*barely middle class as a CAP

[Anonymous No.20041313]

>>20041122
how else do you define
>value to society
apart from
>what people demand
.

>>20041149
>useful things in society.
defined by you. its what the market in aggregate desires, you can't just extrapolate from your viewpoint.


ill say it again, providing value to society is providing value to individuals, seeing as that's what a society is - a collection of individuals. some provide lots of value to a single individual, some provide a little to many individuals. they're both rewarded by those individuals for that value

[Anonymous No.20041365]

>>20041313
>how else do you define
The same way people spend $12k on a throw blanket for their sofa. The same way people spend millions on a car that is slower than one they couldve spent a few tens of thousands on. The same way people pay $60 for a bottle of namebrand meds instead of $2 for the generic. People are retarded anon.

[Anonymous No.20041526]

>>20041149
Maybe in Australia or something

where I live in the US the going rate is $20/hour for unskilled construction labor. Skilled labor averages above $30 per hour. You can very definitely live here on that much. And you can easily afford a house on that.

they live better than you do.

[Anonymous No.20041633]

>>20041526
Kek dumbass. No they dont. I live in cali and outside a union make 25 an hr as a cap. That is fucking shit here

[Anonymous No.20041657]

>>20041633
I'm in CO where you can still get a home for $300k. I own a construction company, I know what pay here runs.

the only exception is wetbacks, but you won't get away with illegal labor here for long. And even the Mexicans know to start their own business and work as subs making over $100/hr

[Anonymous No.20041672]

>>20041313
I'll put it this way. If real estate were made to be affordable (priced with cost of material and labor labor being where the workers can make some profit), people making 15 an hr would be making middle class wages.
Also, lets go back. You say blue collar deserve shit pay for not being as in demand... yet unions offer better pay than non-union along with benefits.. maybe its because without a union instead of getting paid what they are worth, pennys are squeezed and so they arent even making what they really should be?

[Anonymous No.20041702]

>>20041657
The actual workers themselves that arent self employed get nowhere near that

[Anonymous No.20041718]

>>20041702
I told you what they get

$20 unskilled
$30+ skilled

this is easily enough to buy a $300k house

[Anonymous No.20041725]

>>20041718
not in california. 14 to start. 18 after 3 yrs. Thats for electricians fyi

[Anonymous No.20041771]

>>20041725
electricians make less than construction labor in my market. But they still make enough to buy houses.

Cali is fucked, I'm not arguing that. I couldn't afford to live there and I'm fairly wealthy. But Cali isn't the rest of the US or the world.

[Anonymous No.20041799]

>>20041672
youre replying to the wrong guy, but

>If real estate were made to be affordable
the largest factor driving up the cost of real estate is zoning regulations limiting density & the supply of available housing units. I entirely agree that most zoning rules should be done away with so the median worker can afford to buy a place to live in.
Why are these zoning regulations there in the first place?
Existing home owners enact these to limit the number of new dwellings built so their existing house skyrockets in value.
a great example is contrasting San Francisco with Tokyo. Both have high demand from people wanting to live there, SF has some of the strictest zoning regulations, Tokyo having very little. SF is unaffordable to all but the highest paid tech overlords, while tokyo home prices have remained flat for years.

[Anonymous No.20041802]

>>20041725
also just for the irony...

most of the homes we build are $10 million dollar mansions for people from California. That's why we can afford houses. We're building to your cost of living and then buying homes at ours.

[Anonymous No.20041816]

>>20041771
Either way they tend to cap lower compared to other jobs that provide less value to society, but ik what youll say. "You arent entitled to more pay based on what you produce. Youre only worth as much as what someone is willing to pay". Also, 300k home.. think about that. Do you think the hone is priced at 300k because thats just how expensive a home is or do you think it is like that because it is a business? Real estate in this whole country is fucked. Yes, more so in california, but fucked overall which is why these stats were a thing: >>20039184

[Anonymous No.20041846]

>>20041799
Yes, fuck zoning regulations.

>>20041802
Thanks for being part of the problem

[Anonymous No.20041868]

>>20041657
you're describing a very specific situation there my guy. still lots of construction going on in the front range in general, lots of money to be made. you also have to factor in these kids ain't playin with cash. they report every cent and have it taxed before it hits their bank account. they don't get to play with it first.

[Anonymous No.20041936]

>>20041816
>ik what youll say. "You arent entitled to more pay based on what you produce.
I make my living off other people's work, so of course I'm not going to say that.
but where do you think people like me come from? I wageslaved in construction for years.
>>20041868
true. That's what keeps people like me popping up. If you can't live on what you make on your W-2 maybe you will consider getting 1099'd
Most people do eventually

[Anonymous No.20041948]

>>20041846
>Thanks for being part of the problem
you're welcome.

I've told you how I solved it. You can do the same.

[Anonymous No.20042037]

>>20039148
very few people, practically no one, has accumulated a serious amount of wealth through a salary.
it doesn't matter if you're blue collar or white collar. addiction to a monthly salary is one of the most dangerous addictions you could have.

obviously there is luck involved, but it does mostly reward effort. effort isn't slaving over a desk or a drill for 8 hours a day, it's taking a risk in a business and providing value (or investing into a business that does) for magnitudes more people than whatever wagie job you have.

[Anonymous No.20042079]

>>20039703
/thread

[Anonymous No.20042098]

>>20042037
>very few people, practically no one
Government workers tend to get rich over 40 years of working.

that's the only niche I can think of that does though. And those jobs are almost impossible to get without active duty during wartime causing a disability.