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>Bullion dealers
https://www.apmex.com/
https://www.boldpreciousmetals.com/
https://www.bgasc.com/
https://www.gainesvillecoins.com/
https://www.jmbullion.com/
https://www.providentmetals.com/
https://www.silvertowne.com/
https://sdbullion.com/
https://schiffgold.com/
https://goldsilver.com/
https://pinehurstcoins.com/
https://www.sprottmoney.com/
https://www.moneymetals.com/
https://monumentmetals.com/
https://www.goldenstatemint.com/
https://goldsilver.be/en/

>Constitutional/"junk" silver info
https://www.jmbullion.com/ultimate-guide-to-90-silver-coins/
https://www.kevinsworkbench.com/junksilverguide/
http://www.coinflation.com

>Compare
https://findbullionprices.com/

>News
https://www.kitco.com/
http://silverseek.com/
https://www.mining.com/

>Bullion tax info by state:
https://www.apmex.com/state-sales-tax-information

>Prospecting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCL6FKQZyoM
https://www.usgs.gov/energy-and-minerals/mineral-resources-program/science
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/mineral-exploration-mining/documents/mineral-titles/mt-faqs/faq_fmc.pdf
https://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/en/mines-and-minerals/mining-act
https://www.amazon.ca/Gold-Creeks-Ghostowns-British-Columbia/dp/088839988X

>Test
Nitric Acid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mg9YcAShTo
Magnets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgSXg-WOEVY
https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/resources/fake-bullion-database
https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/resources/identifying-fake-bullion

>YouTube/Podcasts
https://www.youtube.com/user/silverguru David Morgan
https://www.youtube.com/user/SprottGlobal
https://www.youtube.com/user/KitcoNews
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqmToXM7x2tD7-2rs0KvObA
https://www.youtube.com/user/GoldAndSilverClub1
https://www.youtube.com/user/whygoldandsilver
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCED7G7CZfqdSV9zttlr1M_g
https://www.youtube.com/user/belangp

Additional /pmg/ resources and info--
https://pastebin.com/8HW6EdGt

previous >>19942558

>> No.19952506

FWTDHWAHQUD status-- {getting waxed}

>> No.19952532

When copypasting the OP, please remember to remove the "[embed]", otherwise they stack up.

>> No.19952642

>>19952506
im expecting a delivery of merc dime today. woot woot daughterfus here i coooom

>> No.19952649
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Good info from previous thread

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Thanks to Waiting-for-the-dip anon
(I think that was you)

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>> No.19952884
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>> No.19953048
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>> No.19953098

>>19953031
what are these?

>> No.19953099
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>> No.19953125

/PMG/, would you take a new gold bar out of assay or leave it in?

>> No.19953290
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>>19953098
Unity/Liberty round by Envela.
Hard to find, but there are a few secondary market rounds floating around ebay. The official ebay store for Envela/DGSE doesn't sell the rounds anymore, but they do have the 10oz bar version still. The ebay seller for Envela/DGSE has an amateur-sounding name, but I called around and verified that that is the actual ebay outlet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/10-oz-DGSE-0-999-Silver-Bar-Unity-Symbol-Stamped/373023463504

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Thanks for giving me a hobby /pmg/

I don’t know about you guys but I automatically watch these threads and enjoy them deeply.

>> No.19953396

>>19953125
if its pure and clean there's no reason to put in unless you REALLY want to, some folks are into that kinda thing especially with silver it will only get dirtier with toning
for me I do it multiple times in different assays just for the reassurance and its pleasing

>> No.19953527

>>19953290
thanks. ill take a look.
in the ten oz bar they almost look like an old gypsy tarot card lol. kind neat and interesting looking

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19953607

Let's make bullion (((racist))) and shake out weak minority hands.

>> No.19953648

>>19953607
soros shill go home

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>>19953648
no u

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>>19953686
not today amigo
now say goodbye

>> No.19953780

What do you fellas think of Junk, specifically non 90% junk? I'm seein a good price on 40% Kennedy's but I'm wary to buy something with such a low percentage. I know silver is silver but 90 and 40 is such a big difference.

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>>19953527
yw, fren.
I'd like to get one of the rounds, but I don't want to pay $30 for an oz. I'm thinking about getting one or two of the bars, because $21.xx/oz is reasonable these days... but then I would really want to get one or two of the matching rounds before they disappear entirely. I'm on a budget, so it would be irresponsible... but I really like the art, one of my favorites.
We'll see.

>>19953359
Right on, fren, nice stack!

>> No.19953844

>>19953780
40% better than nothing maybe.
but i wouldnt bother with unless it was either a steal of a deal or it was the only way i could get any silver at all.
or if i just had a strong like for those particular coins

>> No.19953865

>>19953844
Seeing them on APMEX right now for $.83/oz over spot, seems like a pretty good deal.

>> No.19953896

>>19953780
Someone last thread was saying that 40% junk will be hard to sell when prices moon.

>> No.19953898

>>19953359
nice stack. good use for small pelican cases. never thought of it.
ocaasionally i see those govt surplus small to medium size pelican cases for sale cheap but i never had a use in mind for thst size of case. but this seems like a good idea

>> No.19953945

>>19953865
>>19953896
possibly this. i just have a vague feeling that 40% coins might be more difficult to sell for what price you might like to get for them.
neat for collecting, but reselling idk

>> No.19954080

>>19953896
wouldnt say hard to sell, but you will basically have to sell to someone who assays, and wont get as much $/oz as you would with pure silver.

>> No.19954099

>>19952649
>>19952701
>>19952730
>>19952766
>>19952801
>>19952884
Thanks for the red pills fren

My one issue is the JPM massive position of physical, isn’t it just to cover their shorts?

>> No.19954401

>>19953805
Thank you!

>>19953898
I like them because they can be locked and are water resistant. I got this one for a 5 finger discount while in the military.

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I know gold is a long game, but boy i love days like this.

>> No.19954473

when my queen's beast and lunar year of the mouse coins arrive i'm gonna fondle the fuck out of them. cool my fucking balls on them

>> No.19954544

>>19952649
Can someone tell me what kinds of coins are stacked in this image? I like how the edge is not reeded.

>> No.19955003

>>19954544
There is German writing on the edges so it's most likely German or Austrian, maybe Swiss.

>> No.19955388

>>19954544
>>19955003
Possibly Maria Theresa Thaler?

>> No.19955462
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>>19954544
There's a bunch or different coins in the stack, but one of the ones in the middle is one of my favorites-- Austrian 5 Corona.
I like the writing on the edge, "Viribus Unitis", Latin for "With United Forces". "Viribus Unitis" was the personal motto of Emperor Franz Joseph I, Emperor of Austria from 1848-1916.

>> No.19955473

>>19954401
>got this one for a 5 finger discount while in the military.
thank for your cervix

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>>19955462
Based and KuK-pilled

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>>19955462
>>19954544

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>>19955525

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>tfw in the green with silver.

>> No.19955723

There is a missing piece to the puzzle in the infographics from >>19952649 etc. If a PM backed currency is to be reinstated, then the govt would have to confiscate all PMs from private citizens and the general market first. It's been done before, and it can be done again, and just like FDR making it illegal to own PMs, they could this before the transfer. So, my stacking is for the govt in the future...not a great deal.

>> No.19955774

>>19955723
>, my stacking is for the govt
the bootlicking is strong in this one

>> No.19955804

>>19955774
Then explain to me why this can't happen. The fear is real regarding holding bullion in safe deposit boxes or in storage facilities because unless you have it in hand you don't have it and the govt can confiscate. Why can't they do the same by law before the fiat revamp?

>> No.19955815

>>19955723
anon, thats why I stack lead. also if this happened my silver would of been lost in a boating accident and I would have recovered my rifles from my previous boating accident.

>> No.19955817

>>19952649
>part 2
where is part 1

>> No.19955849

>>19955723
the last time the US made gold illegal only ~30%ish actually forked over their gold

>> No.19955856

>>19955804
What citizens are going to comply with a mass PM ban? That would be about as successful as prohibition was

>> No.19955915

>>19955804
i was arguing your statements i know it happened before and i dont put anything past the govt to do it again.
i was just joking about the one sentence i actually quoted. with the full realization you might not have meant it that way.
but yes, everything you said was correct.

>> No.19955941

>>19955915
>i *wasn't* arguing your statements
damn phone

>> No.19955958

>>19955723
This isnt true at all, what about a redeemable gold standard? Aka. the only useful kind of gold standard

>> No.19956032

>>19955815
But you at least understand my problem here. If you extrapolate from the position that the US is going to go silver-backed $, then several things have to happen before:
1) Confiscate all silver from the free market and replace with old fiat and make holding silver illegal temporarily.
2) Calculate total held against foreign markets to create new PM-backed currency.
3) New currency tied directly to silver allows silver to be bought once again.

Hell, if this happened it would be more useful to hold foreign currency because at least that wouldn't be confiscated...but if that devalued as well due to a new USD, then maybe not. Why would the govt let people keep something that is going to back the dollar? It doesn't make sense.

>>19955849
Is there evidence for this? Also, which 30%? The super rich, or the pleb?

>>19955856
I'm not saying it wouldn't be difficult. I'm trying to understand the strategy here.
1) All holdings of PMs in banks, safety deposit boxes, and bullion storage facilities could easily be confiscated by the gov because of records and shit. Govt could easily force banks to open deposit boxes, so that's that.
2) Going door to door? Not sure about this one. maybe they'd have to do it through reports on taxes first, then go door to door search. I can imagine a few people fighting to the death over this...

>>19955958
Why wouldn't it be true? Think about it. You're a govt about to destroy a fiat currency and replace it with one backed by a PM. In a 'democracy', it wouldn't be 'fair' to the citizens (and they'd see the inequity of this) to have some people survive well because of dumb financial luck in investing and others go to starvation levels. Furthermore, if you want to keep the peace of the citizens, you'd have to prevent a situation where they'd be fighting house to house or on the streets robbing anyone who has a hint of PMs. In order to do this, you have to confiscate the material BEFORE the changeover. Make sense?

>> No.19956075

>>19955958
During the Brenton woods era only foreign entities that held usd could redeem it. Gold ownership was still banned to Americans.

>> No.19956175

>>19955849
>>19955856
Keep in mind 100 years ago it was much harder to keep track of these things. Communities were much more isolated and regional authorities had more autonomy.

Now while compliance would still likely be quite low the problem is how do you actually move your metals. Gold might be at 30k an ounce but if you try to sell any of your coins you're likely to end up in jail or least lose your gold and face a fine.

>> No.19956223
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19956223

>Silver at $18

>> No.19956345

>>19956075
>>19956032
Yeah but he is saying "would have to confiscate" and that isn't true, you wouldnt have to confiscate PMs to go to a gold or silver backed currency. If you had a redremable PM standard, you could simply print more bills when gold and silver walk through the door of your friendly treasury vault location. It would be far easier than trying to get an entire nation to be cool with you stealing from them.

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>>19952454
morning all, going digging in a bit but I saw in the last thread someone wanted to know why I switched my opinion on Barrick goldcorp?

>> No.19956365

>>19956075
>>19956175
Both spot on.

I've been listening to a lot of Schiff lately, as he seems to be the authority on this concept of fiat replacement. While he will talk at length about the confiscation and banning of holding PMs in the past, he doesn't seem to consider this possibility in a future revamp of the economy.

Help me out here if I'm wrong, but my understanding of his position is that:
Hyperinflation -> govt creating silver backed dollar -> current holders of silver will be fine and everyone else falls into hell.

If the govt that is planning this (using JPM holdings of silver), wouldn't they recognize the problem? If fiat fails, is it unreasonable to estimate 95%+ of US citizens would be in starvation mode (all pensions and investments lost, unable to buy food, weapons, etc, plus extreme crime and shit)? the remaining 5% would either have to leave the country for their safety or defend themselves from the rest of the neighborhood. The only way to guarantee that everyone is on a level playing field is to confiscate before the transfer. The rich can keep their silver, but the average person on the street can't.
I don't know. Maybe it doesn't matter to them at all, and since it would go to hell in a handbasket anyway, there's nothing to worry about regarding minor escalations within communities over someone hoarding 700oz of silver.

>> No.19956384

>>19955817
>Error: Image resolution is too large.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-silver-series-the-start-of-a-new-gold-silver-cycle/

>> No.19956435

>>19956345
I say 'have to confiscate' because the estimates are given that silver would be far higher than now, that if the $ were to be truly backed (given the bills currently estimated to be in circulation) silver would moon the way Anons here hope (i.e. 13,000$ per ounce and shit); that's the only way it could account for the number of $ circulated worldwide.

Isn't the whole point of a PM standard that it prevents irresponsible printing?

>> No.19956470

>>19956384
thanks friend

>> No.19956509

>>19956435
Why would it be irresponsible to print enough bills to cover what you are physically holding?

>> No.19956524

If there ever comes a time to sell gold, am I going to get shit from dealers if I try to offload sub-.999 bullion, like the austrian coronas or ducats? Like it'll be more work to melt them down and separate out the other metals so they'll give me less than spot for it? Or is that retarded?

I always see the coronas and etc going for lower premiums than .9999 coins and can't think of a reason why except if that were the case.

>> No.19956567

>>19956524
I don't think so, I am pretty sure they will take it without issues, its the people who try casting their own ingots that will have issues where the dealers will want an assay.

>> No.19956599

>>19956362
How much gold is that and about how long did it take you find it?
I live near an area where panning is possible but I always wondered about the return on time invested.

>>19956365
>hoarding 700oz of silver
nervoussweatingman.jpg

heh yeah only 700oz

>> No.19956713

>>19952454
At last! The most exciting day of the week has finally arrived!
a new shipment has arrived at Yukari's depot!
prepare yourselves for another Yukari unboxin' series

>> No.19956731

>>19956599
about .5 of a gram I think. It was the larger gold I got out of one of my 10 yard tests on one of my claims. If your a good panner and live in an area with big gold it can be very profitable. But most places take ages to get a gram by panning alone. Highbankers and rocker boxes make things a lot faster but you often have to have the claim to the ground to use them legally.

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>>19956713
oops forgot pic.
ahh,...

prepare yourselves!

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>>19956470
yw fren
You might find this 4-part series interesting as well. 5 years old, but still interesting.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/silver-series-many-phases-silver-part-1-4/
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/silver-series-who-controls-worlds-supply-part-2-4/
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-silver-series-worlds-growing-demand-for-silver-part-3-of-4/
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-silver-series-making-the-case-for-silver-part-4-of-4/

>> No.19956749

>>19956509
Because that's not how a PM backed currency works, if I understand it (and obviously help me if I'm wrong!!)

PM backed currencies are supposed to be PM = $Amount directly corrolated to each other and never changing; the only way money can be printed is if there is an increase in the amount of PMs held by the govt in their reserves. It's not about what you hold, it's what the govt calculates the country holds before the changeover (which is why they'd have to account for it all, and thus confiscate private holdings). The paper bills are "promisary notes" or whatever the fuck they're called: you're guaranteed by the govt to be able to redeem them for a specified amount of the PM, and vice-versa. If the govt didn't account for your PMs, then they wouldn't be in the system, and you'd be violating the calculation of the exchange rate that the govt set up. If the govt knew about your holdings but didn't confiscate, then your PMs you hold are 'already in the system' in terms of paper bills; there's no need to print more.

If you went to a bank and redeemed an ounce of silver for 13,000 NewBucks, then those would have to come from somewhere; likely from people paying 13,000 for a new t-shirt and a pair of socks. The bills would be there, they wouldn't have to print anything.

have I missed something about PM backed currencies?

>> No.19956842

>>19956735
How are you able to afford to constantly be getting metals in the mail?

>> No.19956881

>>19956735
my body is ready
>>19956842
welfare is one hell of a drug

>> No.19956929

>>19956749
Well its the wealth of the nation. This is how I see it, confiscation isn't necessary for many reasons, theft, debasement, debauchery. So the only way to do it right is by a redeemable gold standard. And what I mean by this, and there is no stealing involved. I am the government, I deem silver to be worth whatever(doesn't matter much) 10k/oz, say I have 0 to make this easy. Some stacker brings in 1oz of silver, I hand him 10k newbux. There are now 10k newbux in circulation backed by 1oz of silver. Repeat and rinse. Say someone wanted silver, they trade 10k newbux for 1 of my oz. There is never any more newbux in circulation than oz to cover them. This is the best way because its harder for the shitty government to devalue the currency because there will always be coins in circulation. What do you think?

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>>19956842
>>19956881
i have a good job and no real debts or obligations.
though this silver stacking has really slowed down my saving of cash

this delivery was supposed to require a signature. but they just left it at my door.

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>>19956985
idk if im just lucky, but lately all my orders have showed up withing 5-7 days or ordering.

>> No.19957067
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my very first kilo bar
$680 from monumentmetals

>> No.19957124

>>19955723
You got it kind of backwards. The government doesn't have a good reason to confiscate gold because gold is no longer money. In FDR's time, there was a need to confiscate gold because the US intended to devalue the dollar. A person could easily escape the devaluation keeping all of this money in gold coins instead of paper money or silver. After the government devalued the dollar, the person entirely in gold got an instant, guaranteed 40% increase in purchasing power (gold was repriced from $20.67/ounce to $35/ounce).

That dynamic doesn't exist today because the the US dollar is no longer pegged at a fixed price to gold and because very, very few people own any gold at all. Fixing the dollar to gold does not necessarily benefit holders of gold and there are other other hard assets that may be a better way of preserving purchasing power. There is not guaranteed way of gaining purchasing power like in 1933 when the country was still in a deflationary spiral where the prices of everything was falling.

If the US were to return to a gold backed standard, you'd probably be looking at an environment of very high inflation. Confiscating gold will just cause people to pile into some other hard asset such as real estate, silver, copper, etc. and runs the risk of making the inflation rate even higher as everyone loses confidence in the government and the money.

>> No.19957171

>>19956929
How do you as the govt determine what the worth of silver is per Newbuck? that's the problem that I see: you can't make a 1oz silver = 10 NewBucks (as an example) unless you know how much silver is in the wealth of the nation. The problem that we have is that there are trillions of USD paper dollars floating around the world due to the tie-in with oil (petrodollar) so, if the US went to a PM backed currency, they have to figure out:

1) How much $ printed money are in the world
2) How much silver they own

This ratio would equal the set rate for silver = Newbucks.

If you bring silver into this monetary system (i.e. trade your stash for NewBucks), and if the govt printed more money (as you suggest), then the ratio of silver to NewBucks would be altered because the assumption is that the silver in the treasury backs ALL of the paper and coin currency of the US, not just what is in the continental.

Again, have I got PM-backed currency wrong Anons? I think I'm right....

>> No.19957183

>>19956362
Hi, PAN MAN. Last night, someone posted a photo of a new silver tael and you mentioned that you found a few old ones in your travels. Would you be interested in selling one of the ones you found and, if so, what price would you be seeking?

>> No.19957237

>>19957067
why not cyberrounds?

>> No.19957297

>>19957183
If I can figure out where they are at home I would be willing to sell one of them for sure, but I dont remember what shape they were in. I found those over 15 years ago and I only remembered I had them because of said poster. When I am home I ll have a look, I ll post a few photos and a protonmail link if your still interested.

>> No.19957303

>>19957171
Well kinda, why would we have to determine how much fiat was held by the world? Wouldn't it just be a better idea to hyperinflate the dollar and pay off foreign debt with worthless paper and say fuck you suckers! You would only have to know how much fiat is held by US citizens in US banks, which would be pretty easy as its all federally insured anyway, compare to your stack and make a fiat/newbux exchange rate

>> No.19957334

>>19957124
Thanks Anon; my starting point of the concern I have is that there is a lot of talk here and on YT about buying silver before it inevitably moons, and that silver would be the PM backing for the US new dollar after the inevitable fiat collapse. Gold isn't in the equation; it would have to be pegged to silver after the fallout. I should have made that clear. I completely agree about the probably high inflation if US went back to a PM backed standard, but this is where my mind goes haywire. I'm trying to figure out what the precise mechanics are for a government to do this, what they'd have to do to the population in order to make it work, and all that. If I can figure that out, then I can being to consider if any of the steps are feasible or outside the realm of possibility.

It's easy for a casual Anon here to say, 'the USD will collapse inevitably like all fiat currencies do historically, a PM standard will be reinstated after the collapse, it'll be silver because North America has more silver mines and hoarding (JPM) than anyone else, and my stack will take me past the critical zone and have me ahead of my compatriots who were too stupid to stack". That's an easy route of thinking. But there are tonnes of steps in between that don't guarantee the next step.

I'm currently looking at the 'PM standard reinstated after the collapse' segment, and not only is this looking more and more doubtful (because in a world with other fiat currencies it's difficult to have only one that is PM backed, and backed in silver no less), but the implementation of this on a society-wide and world-wide basis (due to the petrodollar) is going towards 'impossible'....I don't see a way. Therefore I'm asking Anons here if they can think of anything....

>> No.19957410

>>19957303
I think militarily we could say, 'fuck you' to the rest of the world because there's nothing anyone could do about it. But the petrodollar has created a severe problem because it's in worldwide usage so the economies of entire countries are dependent upon its stability.

Here's another problem, which I haven't even come to. What if, since the US is indebted to China and other countries....what if the US decides unilaterally to go to a PM backed standard? If they do so, why wouldn't the other countries 'call in' their debt and force the US to pay using PMs? If the US now has a NewBuck tied directly to PMs, then China could say, 'Okay, you own us 3 trillion of your dollars, but since they're directly redeemable for Silver/Gold, then we'll just take the gold, thank you very much'. There would be a problem, and in order for the govt to have enough, they'd have to confiscate all PMs from the citizens....again....lol

None of this works....a PM backed dollar is ...impossible?

>> No.19957439

>>19956740
Saved, ill try to make postable versions of those images

>> No.19957443

>>19957297
Thanks! I am very interested in getting one for somewhat historical purposes. I'll keep an eye out for your postings.

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>>19957237
i almost odered cybers but i got what i thought was a good deal on a tube of ASEs and a couple rolls of Merc dimes. couldnt resist.
i still want to order some cybers though because theyre decent looking and pretty low premiums compared to some other rounds

>> No.19957576

>>19957410
They are getting paid in worthless fiat, end of story. Its what they signed up for. Come and take it. Russia is down for the cause, Putin knows whats going on. Chyna ain't going to do shit.

>> No.19957580

>>19955577
>CORONAE

>> No.19957595

>>19957550
I mean that's still very nice, don't get me wrong, I'm just one of those who care about liquidity very much

>> No.19957602

>>19955723
>the govt would have to confiscate all PMs from private citizens and the general market first. It's been done before
It's never been done because its too hard to enforce you nigger
I lost all my silver in a parachuting accident

>> No.19957619

>>19957410
>'Okay, you own us 3 trillion of your dollars, but since they're directly redeemable for Silver/Gold, then we'll just take the gold, thank you very much'.
but they already got repaid in worthless fiat in this scenario

>> No.19957634

>>19957619
This guy gets it, he's gunna make it

>> No.19957657

>>19957334
If the US were to go to some sort of precious metals backed currency, it would almost certainly be gold, not silver, and there's a good chance that it would be partial backing. Conspiracy theories aside, why does the US and the Federal Reserve hold so much gold? It is a figurative fire extinguisher in a glass case. In case of hyperinflation, break glass an apply inflation killer. To the best of my knowledge, the US government and Fed have essential zero silver. What large quantity that the government used to have in its stores was sold off by Paul Volcker, perhaps as a way of second prong of his attack on inflation. The two prongs being: reduce the amount of money being created circulated through high interest rates and purposely slaughtering the precious metals bubble, especially the silver bubble create by the Hunt brothers.

The US doesn't even have to go to a precious metals backed currency. It could resort of something like a Rentenmark which was backed by land. Or maybe it could be backed by SDRs, which are essentially Keynes' Bancors. All of those steps would, in all likelihood, arrest a hyperinflation.

BTW, we will not see high inflation because the US went to a specie-backed currency. It's entirely backward. We would see a specie-backed currency after the appearance of dangerously high inflation that the Fed could not control. That is, the US and the Fed desperately want to continue to worthless paper game and will only submit to the discipline of a specie-backed currency when all other efforts fail.

>> No.19957701

What will the new 2021 ASE's be like? Will they also have some RFID or Bluetooth thing with them?

>> No.19957748

>>19957701
Imagine this but in silver.

https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-liberty-225th-anniversary-gold-coin-17XA.html

>> No.19957756

>>19957657
Muh constitution! Gold AND silver.
JPmorgan RICO, New AG on the case the 4th of July, steal JPs stash. Use for money. Its gunna be fuggin YUGE

>> No.19957768

>>19956731
>.5 of a gram
So like $23 worth of gold? From 10 cubic yards of soil? How are you not running at a loss.

>> No.19957796

>>19957748
Lady Liberty is a nig?

>> No.19957864

>>19957796
I worry that there will be a good chance that she'll be black, Mexican, or some multiracial person. I hate the virtue signalling. The old Lady Liberties were very clearly modelled after Greeks, who had no hand in establishing the US. The use of a Greek Lady Liberty was an homage to Greek philosophy but I guess everyone is too stupid (especially the "educated" SJWs who run academia) to remember that nowadays.

>> No.19957869
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>>19957768
no, I think this is the photo of the rest of the gold from that test run I did. I ran either 9 or ten yards for a test run and got 10 grams or so out of it. a gram per yard adds up fast, and my running costs are very minimal. However, I cant actually mine that ground right now, its too wet and easy to bog / damage my equipment right now working there.

>> No.19957926

Notice how the stock market is shitting the bed, BTC is down too, and gold still retains all time highs, retaining value in a stagflation environment.

>> No.19957958

>>19957768
0.5 grams in 10 cubic feet of soil, if it were consistent across a claim, would make Pan Man the richest person on this board easily. Most of the mining projects I see are getting 6-8 grams of gold per *ton* of rock processed. Think about that. A 1 troy ounce coin requires going through 4 or 5 tons of earth.

>> No.19958025

>>19957595
ah. but whats not liquid about ASEs, kilo bars and 90%merc dimes?

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>>19957958
yes, but my placer claims are a lot different than hard rock ones due to yardage / tonnage of material I have to work with. Most of my placer claims only have a few meters of pay at best, sometimes its only a 1m thick layer on bedrock that I am working with. My hard rock claims are far different than the placer ones as they usually have a wide area of mineralization to work, but in exchange are 100x more expensive to mine due to the different permitting schedules and operating costs. Its why I dont really mine my hard rock claims and just try to lease them out because its just so much more of a hassle to work them than placer.

>> No.19958058

>>19958025
I'm not sure where that meme came from, seems like bullshit to me.

>> No.19958061

>>19957926
when normies notice this then it's all over

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>>19957926

>> No.19958193

>>19958057
You know, I don't know how common your story (in terms of what you do for a living) is but I swear to God that you sound exactly like a person who was once featured in a Bloomberg article. You haven't been featured in a major news publication like Bloomberg, have you?

>> No.19958232

>>19958025
when silver moons, I don't imagine it'll be easy to sell a 1kg bar

>> No.19958279

>>19958232
Why, you dont have a million dollars just laying around to buy silver?

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19958280

bros why are gold libertads so expensive/hard to find? I just want two so I can post gold tiddies covering my gfs tiddies

>> No.19958316

>>19957869
Ah ok nice. About how long does it take you to process that amount of material? I'm assuming you use the mechanical sluices you mentioned?

>>19957958
They're probably using heavy machinery and processing large amounts of soil at low efficiency. At the end of the day return on investment it what matters.

>> No.19958343

>>19958193
No, but I was in the Vancouver Sun a while ago for other reasons a few years ago.

>> No.19958394

>>19958316
with my small excavator and my shaker washplant I think I can get about 50 yards a day done when conditions are perfect. But real lifes never perfect, bullshit always happens so lets put it at about 30 a day. Most of my placer claims only have a small stretch of pay on them and I spend a massive amount of time hand testing before I bring in machines so I dont loose my shirt digging up worthless material.

>> No.19958711

what's happening with stonks now before close is making my mouth dry

>> No.19958828

>>19955473
>thank for your cervix
thanks for your tax shekels

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19959565

>>19957864
Haven't you heard? Greeks WERE black

>>19958394
Sounds like a comfy setup. Sometimes I think about quitting my job and just prospecting for gold but then I remember that I know almost nothing about it and would have to find over 40oz of gold a year to approximate my current income.

>> No.19959919

Stocks down PM's up.

Hold on boys.

>> No.19960005

Best wbsite to get silver buffalos right now? I know JM is sold out and Im not sure what websites are trustworthy that have good prices

>> No.19960039

Getting a 600 dollar tax refund, tempted to go all in on silver with it.

>> No.19960067

>>19960039
thats what i did with my $1200 coof stimulus. got almost 50oz silver

>> No.19960212

>>19956985
post office has carriers signing for customers right now to avoid handing the scanner back and forth, makes it easier for them to just sign it them self to save time without much risk of disciplinary action, not that I condone that behavior.
t. mailman

>> No.19960222

>>19960067
I unironically spent my entire stimulus check on bats.

>> No.19960226

>>19960067
>thats what i did with my $1200 coof stimulus. got almost 50oz silver

thats what I did.

>> No.19960268
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19960268

>20 years old
>only thing going for me is my high school diploma
>graduated with mediocre grades
>only 60toz of silver
ls trade school the only good option that l have?

>> No.19960284

>>19960222
>I unironically spent my entire stimulus check on bats.
checked and based

>> No.19960364

>>19960268
>ls trade school the only good option that l have?
Anon trades aren't bad.

I went to college, dropped out joined the Marines got out, finished school, then went to a trade school. worked in powerlines quit and moved back to NJ for a much better job and to live with my parents comfy rent free. I am 28 btw.

my advice is get into electrician school and get a job doing that. The pay will be shit but once you get your journeyman licence you will make good money. Just start now in something that can actually give you a decent life. Your 20's and early 30's guide the rest of your life so better to start now. Also thats a good stack for being so young man. don't get down get something done.

>> No.19960403

Was the anon from the previous threads successful in talking with their Venezuelan friend about the situation with PMs there?

>> No.19960525

>>19960268
20 is young. Trades are good. Invest in yourself, don't try to get rich quick or you'll be poor forever.

>> No.19960605

>>19960403
I also want to know.

>> No.19960650

>>19960268
trades are a solid option. get some experience and eventually try for HVAC or Electrician, hell even plumbers can make bank. but they all have apprenticeship routes you can take to eventually become a licensed pro.
what you dont want is to end up being 50yo and still being a grunt carpenter or concrete laborer

>> No.19960709

So they can't control gold reaching new highs but silver absolutely can not be allowed to breach 18 right? The silver shorts are down collectively around 8 billion dollars due to the rise from 12 to 17 dollars, they must be shitting themselves now. Manipulating silver was the way they mostly controlled the gold price because the bankers knew it would always be locked into a ratio range so if they dumped silver they could cause a dump in gold, looks like this relationship is completely gone post corona though. I wouldn't be surprised if gold hits new ath this year followed very quickly by a silver ath early next year.

>> No.19960785

>>19960067
Yep, got 30 kraken coins with it because I have no taste.

>> No.19960810

>>19960785
>Yep, got 30 kraken coins with it because I have no taste.
Kraken coins? Post some pics

>> No.19960939

>>19960268
No matter what your income is, you see people of all levels complaining that they just don't earn enough to get ahead. The reality is that people tend to let their living expenses increase at the rate their income does. You should read 'The Richest Man in Babylon' for a wealth primer. Its available as a PDF all over the internet

>For every 10 coins you earn, 9 are for spending and 1 is yours to fatten your purse.
>Every coin in your purse is like a sheep in a herd. Set them to earning, and they will reproduce.
>Be averse to schemes which promise to multiply your gold unnaturally many times over, and those which do not protect your coin from loss.
>Advice is the only thing skilled men freely give, take good advice from men experienced in a subject before trusting your coin to an endeavor, and likewise, do not heed advice from men with no knowledge of such things.
>Fortune comes to those that do not let good opportunities pass them by. Luck then, comes to all men, but is followed by few.

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>>19959919

Tried to warn people on the 8th of June, when the Dow was 27,500 points. It has now sunk to 25,015, while gold is $50 higher.

>> No.19960971

>>19958061
There's a few metrics I have discovered that can tell if a sector is definitely in a bubble.

Grandma's are a good indicator. If a grandma randomly says that X is a good investment then it's definitely near the top. A 60 year old woman at work once said to me "what do you know about Bitcoin? I want to buy some" I then proceeded to sell my ethereum and bought silver with it, that was January of 2018.

Another good way to tell is if gold and silver penny stocks start getting pumped, that means reckless normies are getting into any stocks they can find in the sector. Even better if a stock with gold or silver in the name but actually isn't related to the sector at all gets pumped then you know it is definitely the top, liquidate everything. Recall companies putting crypto in their name and subsequently doubling in price? That was the mania, the top of crypto, that cycle is fucking done.

>> No.19961111

>>19960971
based and shoe shiner boy pilled

>> No.19961222

>>19960952
>hyper inflation
What happens to my PM's? How much to buy a home or car or for rent and food? Are we Bosnia tier? Venezuela tier? Worse?

>> No.19961271

>>19961222

High inflation comes soon, in an effort to stop the stock-market crash. When we reach hyperinflation a few years afterwards, then they pull the plug. In 2023 or 2024, everything will be wiped out. No currencies, no pensions, no public schools, no public healthcare, nothing. Gold will be the only kind of money which has any real value.

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>>19960810
The two tubes on the left side are 2oz kraken rounds from the Canadian Mint

>> No.19961394

>>19961271
Interesting, reminds me of what an old guy told me about growing up in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia). Overnight, the government wiped out everyone's bank accounts. Didn't matter if you were a peasant or a millionaire, it got zeroed, and replaced with 1 dollar. Scary stuff.

>> No.19961482

>>19961271
Just gold? Not silver or anything else?

>> No.19961499

>>19961347
I like your box set up for your stash

>> No.19961653

>>19961482
Gold for large transactions silver for smaller ones

>> No.19961764

>>19957410
Its not called a great reset for no reason.
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

>> No.19961797

>>19961347
nice stack anon.

>> No.19961815

>>19961653
and the medium will be a digital currency. "Insiders" claim xrp for gold and xlm for silver. (Apparently the Bible says the new currency people will use will be named after lucifer. Xlm tokens are called lumens).

>> No.19961824

>>19961653
gold for Kings, silver for gentlmenses

>> No.19961897

>>19961824
i recognize no king
claim yourself royalty over another and ye shall be cut down o thou loathsome usurper

>> No.19961917

>>19961897
I stack silver anon, Also the only King I bend the knee to is Jesus Christ.

>> No.19961941

>>19961917
may you live in peace fren

>> No.19962096

>>19957550
how much were the mercury dimes for a roll? and how much silver content is in a roll?

>> No.19962132

>>19962096

us 90% silver usually contains .715 ounces per dollar face. this is for dimes, quarters an halves. dollar coins have .7734 ounces of silver per dollar face.

>> No.19962146

>>19955723
>it's been done before
and that's how I know you're full of shit
the last time the US did gold "confiscation" they literally just said "okay you guys better hand in your gold or else" and searched exactly 0 houses
if you didn't have your metals in a safety deposit box you were fine, that's why pre-33 gold even exists

>> No.19962153

>>19962132
So a roll of dimes is basically 3 and a half ounces of silver?

>> No.19962169

>>19962153

assuming no wear, a 5 face roll of 90% dimes should have 3.575 ounces of silver

>> No.19962214

>>19962146
I seem to recall that pre-1933 gold exists because very wealthy people somehow managed to get a "heads-up" of the upcoming confiscation and shipped tons of gold to Swiss vaults. In fact, I think it was in the 1980s that those eagles were discovered again and crashed the numismatic market for pre-1933 American gold coins.

Most everybody else turned in his gold as Americans seemed to have much more confidence in their government then. Perhaps that's not so difficult as there was no welfare state and government workers were much scarcer.

>> No.19962252

>>19962153
>>19962169
they were $82 per roll of $5 face value from monument.
so about $16/10 dimes. bit of a premium but less than i seen some recently

>> No.19962287

>>19962252

quarters, or 10/100/1000 dollar face grab bags of 90% coins will be way cheaper than buying mercs.

>> No.19962336

>>19962287
>>19962252
I don't think anyone owns Mercs because they are a rational purchase. I know the only ones I bought, I got because they were beautiful. I only have a handful, but I think I'm gonna just buy a roll after talking to anon.

>> No.19962399

>>19962336
one merc is one blowjob. so stack accordingly.

>> No.19962478

>>19962336
>I don't think anyone owns Mercs because they are a rational purchase.
your right. i try to rationalize everything, even this. but its true. if i was another mind i wouldnt see the sense of paying the price i did.
but i suppose this is one of my very few and conservative hobbies so thats how i justify it for myself for now

>> No.19962494

>>19953359
Anon I am serious, remove the rubber bands around your coins and bars. Rubber leaks Sulfur compounds and they will therefore leave a nasty black streak on your coins.

>> No.19962516

>>19953359
Also nice stack

>> No.19962588

>>19962399
I currently own 5 merc dimes, not 5 rolls, not 5 ounces, 5 single dimes. But I'm thinking I'll buy some junk silver just for the hell of it now.
>>19962478
I mean, when silver moons or the dollar collapses, it isn't gonna matter what you paid for your mercury dimes, they'll be worth more than any amount of cash you spent on them.

>> No.19962627

>>19961917
Based and redpilled

>> No.19962655

>>19962146
Less than 10 people were charged and fined, but none jailed. They only did this just to intimidate more people into handing in their gold, the confiscation was never enforced after the initial round of cases.

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sorting through my mercs. some of them are in nicer condition.
also found a single Barber dime among them. neat find. its worn to a cull but can still say now i have a Barber dime

>> No.19962974

>>19962494
I always learn something in a pmg thread.

>> No.19963067

>>19945280
>>19945155 (You)#
i will, tomorrow. weird to think 250 toz of silver equals ~3500 merc dimes. kinda wish i had that kind of quantity between my fingers
>>19945207 (You)#
>Are you trying to sexualize my fondling sack?
as i said, only for merc dimes
Anon did you do it? Did you fondle all those coins yet?

>> No.19963155

>>19961941
>>19962627
May our lord see us through the darkest nights and may we never lose hope.

>lord I am not worthy that thou shall enter under my roof; but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.

>> No.19963180

>>19961917
"Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

>> No.19963181

>>19962494
thanks anon, I hurriedly stripped them off my silver. Appreciate that info!

>> No.19963363

>>19963180
amen anon. We will need the lord to keep us strong in these dark times

>> No.19963403

>>19958232
I'll never understand that. If silver moons so hard people would be killing each other to get it, why would you assume no one would want a loaf of silver you could use as a door stop?

>> No.19963473

a better question why do FWTDHWs prefer mercs to rooseys?

>> No.19963480

>>19963403
It's an incorrect assumption. The big dealers do million dollar deals for 100 or 400 ounce bars of gold all the time. Even a local coin shop will be able to buy and move a kilo bar of silver at 1000 dollars per ounce.

>> No.19963547

so... did JP Morgan go long?

>> No.19963615

>>19963547
According to butler yes, and they are leasing out their physical to other banks to cover shorts, its an absolute cluster fuck

>> No.19963708

>>19963547
>>19963615
Explain, what the heck is going on?

>> No.19963765

>>19963615
>they are leasing out their physical to other banks to cover shorts,
thete is no limit to their jewish trickery
pure psychotic madness and evil

>> No.19963783

>>19963615
where did you hear this? I want to know more.

>> No.19963805

>>19963473
Would you rather have a dumb old faggot and a stupid torch, or would you rather have a stunning young lady liberty, who looks like a literal goddess, with a badass fasces, a fucking sick looking axe. That should answer the question.

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19963821

finished fondling my latest additions.
endorphins all spent. back to feeling empty inside. nothing left to do.

..i just don't know anymore,....

>> No.19963847

>>19963821
Is that your whole stack?

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19963875

Hey frens I talked to my fren from venezuela. I feel like our convo doesnt give /pmg/ the answers they were looking for but I can try and ask more if you guys have questions I missed.

>> No.19963904

>>19963708
>>19963765
>>19963783
https://www.butlerresearch.com/

And I have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on, its the most wild shit. They are pulling out all the stops. I think this is the end of road for the banksters boys.

>> No.19963917

>>19963875
>same as before
>shit
Oof. That's painful.

>> No.19963947

>>19963875
Thanks man, it wasn't what I was expecting. But good to know. He doesn't know anyone who is trading in silver or gold?

>> No.19963953

>>19963847
well, not including the stuff i got today, those merc dimes and whatnot

>> No.19963954

>>19963473
Mercs are easy to distinguish and can't be anything but silver. You'd have to inspect Rosies to make sure they're not that post-1964 copper junk.

>> No.19963973

>>19963947
No, because they, like everyone else, use USD. What happens when even the almighty dollar loses all value?

>> No.19963977

>>19963875
Also, is he super poor though? Maybe gold and silver are what the wealthier people are using...

>> No.19964015

>>19963973
Okay can you ask about cryptos as well? And maybe what 100 USD will buy you down there right now. Months of rent/ weeks of food

>> No.19964028

>>19963947
From what I can tell, no. And if he does it's not a regular enough occurrence that he'd know what "spot" is there or anything like that.
>>19963977
I dont think he's doing *okay* but not wealthy. The rich might be doing that but from what he said it sounds like they dont need to. If youre wealthy and youre tight with the gov you just use USD for necessities. Some other anon posted some youtuber series in venezuela that I still need to watch.

>> No.19964037

>>19963875
Ask about prices for a week of groceries for an average family, rent, car payments, fast food, monthly bills like electricity etc, going out to a movie, wages, Venezuela is so fucked. How wild that gas was the cheapest in the world there then became the most expensive thing around.

Why has no one executed Maduro yet? Ask him how many people unironically support him or that guy that tried to take over the Juan Guido guy or w/e his name was. How did the people let shit get out of control?

>> No.19964116

>>19955856
>“Well, then,” Jesus said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”
last time the US gave you fair compensation, if the govt wants to go back to a metals standard and ask people to sell their metals to the govt, then to be quite honest i wouldn't have any issues trading my shiny rocks for silver certificates...

>> No.19964138

>>19964028
Can we figure out a way to send this dude some cash? If he can get some better info I wouldn't mind shooting him some USD

>> No.19964166

>>19960268
I'm in trades and feel bad for chumps that aren't

>> No.19964172

>>19964015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN5LZR4ejkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYVkFcWqcIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee0CHgjOOzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHZIevN7gp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTt-HzqzVYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msHKfK-AMRM

these are the youtube vids from the previous thread.

>>19964015
Someone in the last thread said that rent for 1mo was 3.6mil bolivars which comes out to ~$21.5 USD (using 50k bolivars : 0.30 USD). I'll ask about crypto but I feel like it wouldnt be that useful, youd rather just have USD.
>>19964037
Will do.

>> No.19964180

>>19953780
anon if you got some local coin shop who says they'll give you spot or even a couple dollar under spot when it moons. i'd say go for it it, personally i think generic rounds are just better for how little of a price difference there is....
>>19953896
i say this alot, i really think demand is going to disappear for alot of this junk silver when the prices moon, but to be fair i could be wrong and super poor people start buying a merc dime a week or some nonsense lol
>>19953945
this exactly, i think when silver hits... lets say 30/oz that junk silver will need mailed off to be refined to be used in anything, and i think 3 dollars below spot would be generous at that point...

>> No.19964190

>>19961815
They're both shit. But stellar does have Saturn as a logo, so there could be something to it

>> No.19964191

>>19963821
I like this image so much.

>> No.19964212

>>19964166
Me too, no college debt, high wages, breddy comfy

>> No.19964280

>>19964172
It was one ounce of silver is 3.6mil bolivars, cost of rent for one month was about 5-6 ounces according to https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/venezuela

>> No.19964295

>>19964280
Yeah but thats using the "official" exchange rate, which is bullshit

>> No.19964297

>>19957067
very nice anon, i was tempted to get a kilo bar the other day, but they were the same price as those generic govt coins....

>> No.19964306

>>19964280
But these are all (((official))) numbers which basically just converts everything to USD, we were hoping a Venezualanon could confirm or deny how accurate they are

>> No.19964317

guys, how does one safely stow away a silver stack? all the cheap safes look easy as fuck to open (i got lockpicks myself) and the "decent" safes still only take 2 minutes with a crowbar
the good safes cost as much as my stack

>> No.19964325
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19964325

>>19964295
this

>> No.19964360

>>19964325
You got me, you bish

>> No.19964371

>>19964317
2 inch pvc, 2 end caps and some secret midnight gardening should do the trick

>> No.19964387

>>19957171
i'm so confused by your statements.
silver has value right now. we can compare that value to other commodities like grain or gold or dollars.
so the value of the new silver dollars we created is directly tied to the value of silver. so if 10 newbux = 1 silver ozt, then we can very easily compare silver to US dollars or AUD or EURO's or what ever and quickly find the price, since people currently buy and sell silver in almost all currencies.

theres absolutley no reason to figure out how much silver is in the world and who owns it, the only thing that matters is if the govt actually has the silver they claim are backing the new currency.

>> No.19964405

>>19964371
that's brilliant. never seen any metal detectorists around here, i don't think it's a thing where i live

>> No.19964430

>>19964371
>>19964405
Make sure your metal is wrapped in plastic first to ensure it doesn't get damaged by the PVC. Also, ask panman about how to foil metal detectors.

>> No.19964451

>>19964430
i like to bedazzle mine

>> No.19964510

>>19964190
Xrp and xlm are basically the same framework. Check up on the insider threads, its interesting stuff at the very least.

>> No.19964574

>>19964317
nothing is ever truly safe, the best you can hope for is, that it'll take longer for a criminal to extract your valuables then it would for police or whoever to show up to your home to prevent that from happening

>> No.19964612

>>19964430
I heard you can spread tin foil around to fuck with metal detectors, also consider having a decoy safe with fake coins or a small portion of your stack

>> No.19964630

>>19964574
yeah that's true but i think i'd feel safer with my stack under a floorboard, in the attic or buried under a gardening shed or flower bed rather than a cheap safe that screams "here's my good shit bro"

>> No.19964665
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>>19953359
I got the cheapo harbor freight special.

>> No.19964696

>>19964665
what are the dimensions of that container?

>> No.19964744

>>19953359
>>19964665
be careful buying those cheap ones, i've heard alot of the time its just a foam quality difference, but you'd hate to drop it and the cheap plastic case breaks under the weight.

>> No.19964745
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>>19955723
>>19955804
>>19955958
>>19956032
>>19956075
>>19956365
The (((gubment))) wouldn't give two shit about our baby stacks frens, that's not where the money is. What will happen tho is a mass nationalization of every gold and silver mines on US soil, no matter if they are owned by foreign companies or not, since they become the only way to "print" more money (not exactly the only way, but it's to make it easy to understand).
You can also expect special agreements with producing countries already having a gold&silver positive swap line. A bit like how the petro-dollar is currently working : if you are a net producer country, in exchange of our "protection" (reads not bombing the shit out of you and stealing your mines), your silver production is denominated in neo-dollar, sold at the current rate imposed by our currency.

So instead of be worried about your stack, you should be worried for your miners' stocks, because the treasury will never allow citizens having a part of the pie. Most likely they'll force you to sell your shares at a predetermined price. What's yet to be determined is how generous the gubment would be while buying your shares.

Also you all seems to think the silver (or gold) to neodollar ratio would be fix, as it was back then, but that's not how it'll work, it's not sustainable anymore. PMs will be constantly reevaluated imho, with a floating ratio. Yes, it will end up generating inflation, but that's exactly what the central banks want, controlled inflation is the most important tool they have to generate money velocity, which is the backbone of modern economic growth (ie punishing savers and rewarding consoomers).

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19964759

>>19957748
At first I was like meh, but that's not "Lady Liberty".

>> No.19964770

>>19964759
who the fuck is this negro and what did she do with the true lady liberty?

>> No.19964790

>>19964759
>changes 2,300+ years of tradition, but its breath taking anon
fucking clownworld

>> No.19964811

>>19964790
I really want to get this coin for the memes...

>> No.19964815

>>19960939
GMI, good advice. Rich Dad, poor dad is another good one to get your mind right. Don't get hung up on details pay attention to the principles.

>> No.19964821

more like lady niggerty

>> No.19964825

Are there meme stack lists yet?
> batboy
> mercs
> asahi rounds

Missing anything?

>> No.19964831

>>19960971
One of the dumbest people I know told me this week that I should look in to "cryptocurrency". I'm legit scared about my bags now. Good thing I have gold and silver and a shit load of cash waiting to scoop up bargain priced assets.

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19964844

>>19964825
phillys as the ugly duckling are essential to a meme stack

>> No.19964865
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19964865

>>19957334
>and that silver would be the PM backing for the US new dollar after the inevitable fiat collapse

Wait, it's not a consensus fren, i'm the one who made this claim few months prior and tried to argument my point. But that's just high octane speculation from my part, nothing more. I've ZERO evidences it will indeed happen nor if it's even just considered by our (((elites))).
I just try to connect the dots, and aknowledge there is some shady shit going on with silver behind closed doors.

Before trying to speculate about a monetary system backed by silver or gold, we should try to find more crumbs potentially validating this theory. It's some serious digging work, especially if all the paperwork is done in secrecy. I need help from the pmg frens to gather some more evidences, it's the only way we can assemble the puzzle for what's coming and be prepared accordingly.

>> No.19964889

>>19964116
A trick answer for a trick question. Caesar (government) has no rights to anything. God (if you believe) has rights to literally everything, but gave dominion over it to man and asks only for a tenth as a sign of obedience.

>> No.19964890

>>19964811
of course satan would...
clown world confirmed lol

>> No.19964939

>>19964696
https://www.harborfreight.com/4800-weatherproof-protective-case-x-large-orange-56866.html

I honestly think I got too big of a case.i could probably fit triple what I have in there now if I removed more foam, but it's already like 50 pounds.

>> No.19964940

>>19964844
>mfw got 12 tubes of phillys
>mfw that's my entire stack

>> No.19964943

>>19964865
Muh constitution! Silver AND gold

>> No.19964950

>>19964865
>find more crumbs potentially validating this theory

This and also poking holes into it as well to see if it holds up. We are in uncharted waters with todays state of affairs and no one really as any idea what will happen.

>> No.19964961

>>19964744
The case itself is very solid. The foam is perforated into little squares you can pull/cut out and probably a little lower density than a Pelican. I think if you bought replacement Pelican foam they'd be identical.

>> No.19964965

>>19964950
I do though

>> No.19964984
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19964984

>>19964940
Cheers on the stack fren. The building is nice but I really don't like the the music scene, its too cluttered or something

>> No.19965001

>>19964865
>>https://warosu.org/biz/thread/S18102776#p18109980
Something to start you off.

>> No.19965009

Any stacklettes in here? what's your pile looking like?
Only got 15 oz's right now, but hoping to buy a lot more if we get a second stimulus check

>> No.19965018

>>19964865
Stacking imo is a very anonymous LONG term savings account first and foremost imo. I intend to give 90% of everything I ever buy to my children and grand children (hopefully) one day. If every generation can increase the stack during good times and survive through bad then you will have maximized the odds of your genes surviving.

>> No.19965022

>>19964940
Based af

>> No.19965030

>>19964984
my only complaint is that the lack of reeds make it feel like a round. a high quality round but still a round

>> No.19965032

>>19965009
Budget time. Unless you work minimum wage and live in the city you should be able to stack 20 oz a month silver minimum.

>> No.19965033
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19965033

>>19957410
>hy wouldn't the other countries 'call in' their debt and force the US to pay using PMs? If the US now has a NewBuck tied directly to PMs, then China could say, 'Okay, you own us 3 trillion of your dollars, but since they're directly redeemable for Silver/Gold, then we'll just take the gold, thank you very much'
That's exactly what happened in the 60s and the very reason why the US went out of the gold backed dollar in the first place. It's impossible to export inflation for free, as we do now, with a limited asset. But back then US had two things : total control over the maritimes roads and trust from other countries. Neither are true now, i mean the US are still a major thalassocracy, but maritimes roads are not the only way to move oil nowaday, the pipelines web is now the main way to transport oil, and most don't cross US dominions (like pipelines connecting Russia and China for example). In this scenario, the 'dollar tax' can be override, and the USD lose it's oil-backing status.
Hopefully for the USD, it remain a reserve currency for the moment, which is it's main strenght. Most ppl ignore it, but every single country around the world hold USD, simply to be able to continue international trades in case their national currency become worthless and their commercial partners refuse to be payed in said currency.
Take the very recent example of Liban. They defaulted on their debts, and their money immediately became totally worthless. It didn't take hours for their partners to want to renegociate their trade agreement. Of course, no one want to be payed in worthless arab clown money. But Liban's population very survival depends on those trades : it's oil, food, industrial products, etc..
So the Liban central bank had to use their USD reserve to pay for said trades to continue instead of the national currency. Then when they ran out of USD, they had to call the US, to get more USD, and in exchange the US took every ounce of gold they had, and also lands..

>> No.19965038
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19965038

>>19965009
keep stacking fren, what ya can when ya can
preferably buying up any good sales that come along

>> No.19965041

>>19965032
OH yeah,
If you make minimum wage and live in the city you should change both of those things immediately.

>> No.19965045
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>>19964965
Not to say that you don't, just that it's helpful in developing any theory.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1974LONDON16154_b.html
This memo from 1974 is an interesting document, discusses the creation of the paper market and how it would be useful to keep prices suppressed

>> No.19965054

>>19964984
also thanks fren. i hope silver stays low for another year at least so everyone here can build their stack up

>> No.19965068

Is JMB the only ones with the Asahi Cyber rounds? I heard JMB doesnt mask their names on their shipping labels like other dealers do.

>> No.19965096

>>19965041
lol, facts. i live on the edge of indy, and its still awful compared to a small city. about the only plus is that i'm white and minorities love white cock...
>>19965054
i think the moon mission has already started, but its going to take a few years

>> No.19965128

>>19965068
Their name wasn't anywhere significant on my order, and it arrived just fine.

It just said "Operations".

>> No.19965137

>>19965096
i consider silver under $50 per troy ounce to be low

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19965159

Who here had an experience with stolen packages/missing orders?

>> No.19965164
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>>19964015
>>19964037
Got answers to your posts as best I could. Idk if this is useful at all but I hope so. I dont wanna ask more. Idk why but I feel gross doing it.

>> No.19965166

>>19965159
Shoulda bought local :^)

>> No.19965172
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>>19965033
Cont.
and basically everything worth some shit left in the country. That's what make the USD so strong, especially when others currencies are getting weaker. It's simply because every country tend to trust the US paper scam more than the others' countries paper scam. That's why the USD was so strong during the pandemic, even tho trillions were printed, simply because others currencies where collapsing, and needed USD to continue their trades and pay their debts to their various creditors.
But now, more and more countries are getting wary of the USD, rightfully so, and guess what they ask for instead of USD? Yep, gold. For the moment, it's only a fraction of the trades who are redeemable in gold (around 10% gold, 90% USD), and it mostly concern contracts for weapons, oil, uranium and other sensitive matters, often requiring retro-commissions and various bribes (mostly because gold can be melted down and thus can't be traced back), but it's getting bigger by the day.
One day will come, and it's not far away future, it's a matter of years at best, where the trust in USD get so low most of the international trades are redeemed in gold, as it was for.. well, the past 6000 years, before the total US military hegemony.
But at the current pricing of silver/gold, you can only pay for a minuscule of the trades, that's why PMs will eventually need to be reevaluated. And when it happen, it will not be a tiny x5. We speak about x1000 giga-mooning if PMs have to back the current worldwide economy.

I don't want to be too bullish frens, for your mental sanity, but you can expect to be mega fucking rich once this inevitable outcome take place.

>> No.19965204

what's the best way to polish copper, bismuth, silver, and gold?

>> No.19965209

>>19964759
>WE WUZ LADIES AND SHIEEET

>> No.19965217

>>19965204
Piss on it and wipe away with bleach

>> No.19965226

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00875R001600030106-1.pdf

CIA Intelligence memo from 1970 - page 5 item 11 "Manipulation of the free market price is suggested by the extremely narrow price range that prevailed for seven consecutive weeks..."

>> No.19965241

>>19965204
>bismuth
GMI, Will be able to home brew pepto in the apocalypse.

>> No.19965258

>>19965033
>Liban
Lebanon? Libya?

>> No.19965259

>>19965164
>internet is 20 cents a month
Make him take a speedtest I wonder if government internet is fast at all, doubt it but thats pretty crazy though. 20 cents damn.Few cents for utilities also damn. But yeah services seem so unstable. Hope he survives it or leaves to somewhere better.

>> No.19965274

Does he who has the gold really make the rules? Why are jews so obsessed with hoarding gold and silver? Is there some sort of metaphysical properties to gold that allows whatever nation who possesses the most gold to gain dominion over earth? They already control the world's central banks, so to me it doesn't seem like it's all monetarily inspired obsession.

>> No.19965276

>>19965217
but anon bleach and piss, isn't that mustard gas...

>> No.19965289

>>19965258
I thought I was a brainlet and had never even heard of this country..

>> No.19965290

>>19965204
you don't polish bismuth, you stick it in a super hot furnace to make super cool lookin rocks

>> No.19965304

>>19965274he who has the gold controls the currency, (((whoever))) controls the currency controls everything eventually.

>> No.19965333

>>19964745
Very interesting thank you for sharing your thoughts

>>19964825
Ducats
Hand-poured Monarchs
Jesus Clear the Temple bars

>> No.19965347

>>19965001
>start here buddy
>it's some crackhead larper ''insider'' shilling XRP
>an exit scammed coin who went from $2.50 down to 17cents and never moved again but downward
I meant serious stuff, bro.. If i want to see some XRP 'crumbs' i just have to look at any video on jewtube about crypto, they are flooding the comments sections of every video since years to try to pump their heavy bags.

>> No.19965359

>>19965258
>>19965289
Lebanon yes, i said it in my mother tongue, sorry kek

>> No.19965396

>>19964825
i've been buying a lot of those 50 gram monarch squares. they look nice and are pretty hefty. something about poured silver looks amazing to me

>> No.19965405

>>19965359
Russian?

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19965416

>>19965405
french

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19965464

Last image for now, couldn't find the whole document. Gold price was $38.90 in 1970 and rose to $106.48 by 1973, reaching almost $600 by 1980.

>> No.19965495

>>19965416
no ones perfect, at least you're not albanian...

>> No.19965501

Jeezus christ..... the dow ate another almost 3% loss today......how much longer can it hold?

>> No.19965528

>>19965416
Baguette!

>> No.19965550

>>19965416
a hon hon hon

>> No.19965563

>>19965501
This could be the start of the 2nd leg down. Texas and Florida had to close bars again over COVID growth. $600/week ends in July. Another month's rent due.

And flooding in China looks bad and is getting worse.

>> No.19965604

>>19965563
This has gone from bad, to worse. Shits gonna get biblical if normies can't get back to normal soon.

>> No.19965616

>>19965416
Ungarde!!

>> No.19965638
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19965638

What percentage of the population actually own precious metals?

>> No.19965654

>>19965638
Quite a bit but it's mostly in the form of jewelry in small amounts.

>> No.19965683

>>19965654
>>19965638

excluding jewelry, about 5%

>> No.19965691

>>19965172
So then, in short, I should stack gold and not silver, right?

>> No.19965695

>>19965638
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-survey-reveals-12-of-the-american-population-owns-gold-while-14-7-owns-silver-300942963.html
looks like 17% of americans are willing to admit they own silver/gold so i would assume closer to 20%

>> No.19965734
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19965734

I love silver

>> No.19965741
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19965741

>>19965734
all them beautiful batboi's

>> No.19965761

>>19965695
I wouldn't doubt if this was like a couple of my friends and relatives I know that have a 1964 quarter or 2 laying around, or jewelry, actual "stackers" or anything of that nature probably make up less then 2%

>> No.19965764

>>19965734
What's in the bag?

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>>19965741
Kinda wish I had got an odd number so I had some in little containers like that. I want to ogle them while I train for Evo.

>> No.19965779

>>19965764
Starter kit I never opened, some ASE's and some smaller stuff as well I believe.

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>>19963821
Be strong fren

>> No.19965812

>>19963821
I love your posts and stack, inspired mine desu. I'll definitely take more meme pics in the future

>> No.19965833

>>19965770
What game you competing in?

>> No.19965871

>>19965033
>>19965172
These are great posts anon. Thanks for making them fren. Brings me hope that my stacks are for no reason. Even if not in my lifetime.

>> No.19965879

>>19965734
Are you bat coins scuffed in the tubes? I ordered 10 from JMB, BGASC, and Monument and they all came fucked in capsules. Even the frosted one from the US Mint directly has a fucking nick in it.

>> No.19965908

>>19965879
Haven't even checked, just opened one to see for myself and show y'all + some friends.

>>19965833
TFH. I play OIeander and I don't think I'll get out of pools, but I'm starting to ascend beyond mediocrity. Progress is fun, and reading someone and crushing them is fun too, and getting crushed is nice in its own way.

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>>19965908
Different ID cause hotel wifi

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>>19965416
Keep it up, frogfren! I believe in you!

>> No.19965954

>>19965695
i'd assume less than 1% of americans stack actual bullion, and fewer would admit it. if 17% of americans started stacking silver at 20 toz a year that would blow up the market cap easily

>> No.19965971

>>19965908
>>19965920
Forgive me for being an old faggot who hasn't played fighting games in a while, what the hell is Oleander?

>> No.19966022
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19966022

>>19965971
She's the unicorn. This game and skullgirls have the best netcode of any fighting game, so they are being played at EVO instead of SFV and Smash, it's pretty based.

>> No.19966034

>>19966022
Interesting, I only ever play Tekken and BlazBlue. I outta check this game out.

>> No.19966082

new >>19966061

>> No.19966210

>>19965290
fuuuuck that's way cooler than i thought how it was collected

>> No.19966312

>>19965908
...THAT horseshit game? Move to something better, like SF5.

>> No.19966326

>>19963821
It talks about this in the bible, no matter how much gold and silver one may possess, it is never satisfying. I wonder why that is.

>> No.19966408
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>>19965691
Not saying this, i myself am stacking 100% silver so you better believe i'm bullish on it. It's just the current paradigm only use gold for inter-nations trades, but i believe there will be soon a 'split' in trade agreements and that the US-south america-EU coalition will use silver going forward, while Russia-Opep-China will still use gold. Of course there will be a consensus about the new international gold:silver ratio, which surely will be well below the current 1:100, that's why i'm stacking silver. I made lenghty posts explaining my reasoning few months prior, i wish i screencapped them, but sadly i didn't.

The QRD is the US aren't actively purchasing gold since a while, but are using investment banks as forefront to purchase immense amounts of physical silver (especially JPM) while maintaining the prices artificially low. The US and the EU market regulation offices are also actively sweeping under the rug these banksters practices by refusing to prosecute said banks for their schemes. Which lead me to believe the banks are mandated by the US/EU central banks to secretely stack on their behalf.

Not only that, but i recently found something i've not disclosed here yet : banks trading on the comex started to buy huge numbers of shares of silver mines outside the US, especially in mexico/peru/argentina/chile.., but didn't do it under their names, they used shell investment companies to purchase said shares.
Why would banks actively shorting silver on the markets, get big positions in the silver mining industry? It's totally nonsensical, you don't purchase something with one hand and hope to destroy it's value on the other hand.
Someone could argue they do this to cover their short positions on the comex, but it still doesn't make sense, you can't cover a position with companies' shares, and why would they use shell companies to do so?

There is some kikery going on, and i'm determined to find what's going on there.

>> No.19966418

>>19965871
You're welcome fren. Glad you like them.
When i started my journey into the PM rabbit hole in 2018 (my first, tiny purchase), i really didn't know it would be such a crazy ride. Being rich is a good motivation, but i do it mostly for the pmg frens i made along the way.
And if there is something i'm sure of, is it will unfold during our lifetime, it's going to be the greatest transfert of wealth ever, and it's going to make us filthy damn rich.

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