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IT'S HAPPENING

>> No.19800303
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>>19800287
RESET TIME

>> No.19800312

just the beginning. imagine how fucked things will be around Oct/Sept when panics usually happen.

>> No.19800316

>>19800287
Nah, not really.

>> No.19800356

>>19800316
>Nah, not really.
How so?

>>19800287
Bearish for PMs?

>> No.19800374

they did it too quick. they should have let the markets cool off for a while longer. now it will dip again

>> No.19800907

Should I start buying puts now or will stocks continue to rise a bit?
>>19800356
PMs will moon if stocks crash again, it might take a while after they crash but they usually are a good investment during a financial crisis.

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>>19800316
let me guess... the v-shape recovery is too strong, right? see image, kid
bonus points: let me guess, you are 15-20 and think you're an "investor" with your 5k, have no clue about economy and just wants everything at ATH

>> No.19801283

>>19800287
everyone is either saying the DJIA is going to a million or zero, which is extremely worrying

>> No.19801353

WOW

>> No.19801608

Something's brewing. At least I have the feeling that there is...
What exactly, well, that is speculation.

I am feeling a little worried to, as I struggle to envision that perpetual negative interest rates - which are coming - will simply be implemented into our current environment where stocks move up on a rod pointing to the heavens. So far I thought that the implementation of negative interest rates which will then become the "new normal" will happen after some sort of calamity. A calamity that is actually being felt by people so they will see their central banks and their doing as their savior.

However, it doesn't have to play out like this or even simlar to what I thought it would. What's actually going to stop the interlinked central banks of the world to simply just do it? Pretty much nothing. No president, no authority, no nothing.

So why haven't they already? I don't know.

Hence I'm waiting for a bang... (which might never come)

If and when? Who knows.

>inb4 reddit spacing

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>>19800947
Zoom out a little.

>> No.19802530
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>>19801608
For me its the increasing frequency, and almost desperation of the Fed's moves. Powell made his statement about 0% interest rates till 2023, and gold and silver shot up vertical, UNTIL suddenly COMEX gets an injection of more paper silver and gold ounces than were added in all of last year.

Then, not a week later, J-pow comes out again and announces the buying of individual bonds, meaning the Fed has to die before zombies like Ford will be allowed to fail. But they did it with the public reason of providing liquidity when there wasn't any (you know, in a world with no reserve requirement AND a 0% Fed interest loans...) Something bad is coming, and I get the feeling that the officers are filling a boat with gold before they leave us to die on a sinking ship.

>> No.19802607

Maybe if we kill all the niggers quickly we can save america

>> No.19802727

>>19800287
Wtf are they doing

>> No.19802749

>>19800287
>WoW

Who gives a shit? Are we gonna talk about the feds Runescape gold next? Lmao

>> No.19802750

I don't think anyone really has a fucking clue what's about to happen tomorrow

>> No.19802773
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>>19800287
>trump infrastructure bill
>>market enters 10 yr bull phase

I-I-I wish it would crash so I could buy some more.

>> No.19802786

just breed idiots like rabbits and then pay for them to exist, what could go wrong?

>> No.19802787

We print the money niggers now everyone stfu

>> No.19802828

>>19802786
let's keep going and find out

>> No.19802852
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>>19802750
>I do.

reparations.

gonna
want
xrp
bitcoin

>> No.19802879

>>19800947
Let me guess, you are 35-40 and think you're an "investor" with your 50k, have no clue about economy and just wants everything to crash

>> No.19802881

>>19800287
The federal reserve has proved they can keep interest rates down indefinitely. And what are interest rates in reality, they are time they are the future the fed can literally control time they have become gods

>> No.19802922

>>19800303
I need more FUND before the reset fuckkkk

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>>19802773
That spike isn't an infrastructure bill dummy. Its trillions of dollars being typed into existence in order to buy up every radioactively toxic piece of shit stock, loan, and corporate bond the Fed can get its hands on via BlackRock and Vanguard. We are spitting distance from the Federal Reserve buying individual stock shares at this point.

>>19802786
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for mankind.

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>>19802879
not even a single one is correct...

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We are not going to crash until every bear has capitulated. When there isn’t a single person thinking about buying a put, then the world will be allowed to crumble.

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>>19802879
Look man, I'm not exactly rooting for a market crash myself. Nothing fun or good is going to come of it, and its going to fuck the job market just as I'm trying to finish my doctorate. But nothing good is going to come of the interventions we're seeing. Even if we manage to crab along for a few more years with no crash, it will represent an accelerated accumulation of wealth by the top 0.01% of the economy, as they use Fed money to buy up everything on the cheap.

We're looking at a game where everybody loses except that some people get to start over with a huge amount of accumulated capital. Some people get to play a new game+

>> No.19803352

>>19801639
>lol how can you be bearish look at this graph
That's literally an icarus graph. Guaranteed crash.

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>>19800316
I imagine the Fed will start printing very quickly, don’t delude yourself the market is only up because of the Fed.

>> No.19803389

>>19803209
>it will represent an accelerated accumulation of wealth by the top 0.01% of the economy, as they use Fed money to buy up everything on the cheap.
I get the feeling that this is exactly what is supposed to happen.

>> No.19803555

Stay in cash or keep buying crypto

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>>19803555
>checked.

>> No.19803748

>>19800287
this shit is always the sign of the last days of an empire, first instance was western Roman empire.

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>>19803555
Or old fashioned cash...
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN23P253?__twitter_impression=true

also checked

>> No.19803759

>>19803748
http://money.visualcapitalist.com/currency-and-the-collapse-of-the-roman-empire/

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>>19803555
>>19803611
>>19803755

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>>19803806
Well you heard it here kids, Kek favors metal and digidollars.

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>>19803209
>We're looking at a game where everybody loses except that some people get to start over with a huge amount of accumulated capital. Some people get to play a new game+

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>>19804030
At this point I'm stacking gold and silver and keeping only what I need to cover bills/food in USD. I think I'm going to be applying to lots of mining companies and large breweries, simply because base metals and vice are recession resistant. The only possible upside of any of this will be that it could lead to a gilded age 10 years later, the way the 70s set the stage for the 80s. But I doubt it.

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>>19804185
>The only possible upside of any of this will be that it could lead to a gilded age 10 years later,
just like 2008 did

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>>19804227
2008 wasn't a proper crash though. We never had to fix the underlying issues then, we just QE'd our way out of a depression and into a recession. The followup laws that kept banks from loaning money to any moron that asked for some? As soon as they came about, we got a bunch of 'mortgage lending institutions' that aren't subject to those laws. They now account for over half the home loans in the US.

Even during the recession, housing prices didn't deflate with the rest of the economy, and they've blown up in value ever since. This bubble is 20 years old. I think corona is just an excuse to soft-land the economy, rather than get the hard crash nose dive. In the 70s when Volcker killed of all the mal-investment, the debt to GPD ratio was orders of magnitude lower than it is now. If they go for a rip the band-aid approach, they'll do it knowing its going to be horrific.

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>>19804326
Good luck fren
hope I see you on the other side

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>>19800287
>>19801608
>>19802530
What could possibly be coming? Seriously.

I’ve been scratching my head about this for a couple years now, ever since i fell down the buttcoin rabbit hole & learned how the fed actually works. I understand events like the great depression, great recession... Had a real impact on people by suddenly leaving them without homes; too poor to afford food, maybe you could say the overall stress - from losing their jobs, not being able to find new ones, leading to problems at home, arguments with family blah blah- caused physical health problems via the simple worrying, or coping with cigarettes/drugs. And of course, the idea that wars break out due to differences between nations not being settled after one of them defaults on a ton of debt or something.

But right now what I’m seeing is just so astronomically, frankly laughably, dismal in terms of hope for a semi-controlled and well-executed economic outcome for everyone, I’m wondering just exactly how bad the possibilities might be. I mean even though the Depression forced everyone to eat like a poor college student for a decade or whatever, I doubt it was common to e.g. literally see your neighbors die of starvation.

But I’m having trouble ruling out those crazier scenarios in our current case, given how mind-bogglingly overleveraged EVERYONE ON EARTH is rn, and I’m struggling to quantify the level of JUST that will inevitably befall the majority of humanity. The only thing that would make any sense on paper would be bitcoin/gold moon so fucking intensely (as fed printing eventually reaches just absurd rates of acceleration, and then keeps going some more), that the only possible resolution is a biblical-scale global debt reset (or more plainly, Money itself temporarily ceases to be a thing at all) - where the chaos crescendos to such a critical point that everything unironically goes to Hell in every sense of the word.

Like mad max, cannibalism, WW3, nightmare world.

Yes/no?

>> No.19805739

>>19800287
Fuck sake. The market is a random walk, no one can predict what's going to happen. A year ago no one knew cov-19 would be a thing.
#permaBULL

>> No.19805786

>>19800907
>>19800356

Owing to tapered liquidity, yields are going to start going up soon. This will put pressure on both stocks and metals and miners over the next few months. But around September or October, anticipating the election, the Fed will announce Yield Curve Control and tens of trillions in money-printing in order to prop stocks back up. This will be the signal for miners and PMs to soar to the heavens in price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDsrsuDrYwY

https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/podcast/10189/thursday-conversation-david-brady

>> No.19805803

>>19805700
I think currency is control so a power/order shift could be coming.
To me it seems we have an issue with manufactured crisis. So it's a power grab in the name of solving a massive problem.

Anyone who is quick to step in and wave a magic wand to solve many problems with great success and across the board acceptance, is not to be trusted. Things are not going to return to normal anytime soon, it only gets more wild from here on. enjoy the ride.

>> No.19805903

>>19805700
Mostly yes. I think western nations will become insular dictatorships like North Korea rather than collapse completely into Mad Max anarchy. There will likely be too many internal pressures for most nations to engage in a coordinated world war.

>> No.19806011 [DELETED] 

>>19805700

Peter Schiff (speaking about the U. S.) predicted
recently that some old people will be dying of starvation when the great collapse happens. So, although it won't look like a Fallout game, it is going to be very tragic if he is correct.

>> No.19806034

>>19805700

Peter Schiff, speaking about the U. S., predicted recently that some old people will be dying of starvation when the great collapse happens. So, although it won't look like a Fallout game, it is going to be very tragic if he is correct. He has also consistently predicted riots and civil unrest, which we are beginning to get a taste of. You didn't have those during the Great Depression, and, in fact, at that period, crime fell rather than increased; but America was a very different country then.

George Gammon is planning to get a second passport and flee the U. S. to the Caribbean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRXdfMG4izs

>> No.19806270

If dubs things go to shit
If trips things go to shit and get better
If quads end of evangelion becomes real

>> No.19806367

>>19802749
Osrs gp has been very tied to the value of the dollar. Stop laughing at runescape!!!!

>> No.19806388

>>19800303
>>19800312
>>19800356
>>19800947
>>19801608
Cope harder bobo

>> No.19806402

>>19800287
Just have a portfolio of
25% equities
25% precious metals/crypto
25% real estate
25% cash/High quality bonds

It really is that easy. You'll make superior returns with less volatility AND you'll be able to sleep at night without worrying about a depression. Buy puts if you want to hedge your equity positions against massive downside

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>>19800287
angry wojak money printer go brr

>> No.19807562

>>19805700

Hyperinflation is probably the likeliest outcome. There is no way in hell they are going to pull the plug on BRR with the amount of leverage in the system.

>> No.19807787

People are getting worried over nothing. There is literally no issue here. The debt and deficit are false /pol/ issues
Just buy gold, there won't be an apocalypse or something. It doesn't matter

>> No.19807876

>>19807787

The Fed is either going to have to print tens of trillions to keep the yield curve down, or let it go up and allow the whole system to collapse. The U. S. can't pay its budget at even 5% interest-rates. You would have no schools, no pensions, no medicare, nothing. That's what 26 trillion in debt means, along with a corresponding deficit.

>> No.19807926

>>19807876
Which is what they'll keep doing, printing I mean. Only the extremely poor will suffer from this but the middle class will survive

>> No.19807970

>>19800312
expecting a profitable summer, a last leg down for the autumn harvest, and then finally the long awaited breakout

>> No.19807996

>>19807926
True - each government is just putting off the problem for the next government

>> No.19808041

>>19807926

That's actually the opposite of the case. Savers are the ones who will get wiped out by hyperinflation, and savers are mostly middle-class, since the truly wealthy keep their money in assets. (85% of the stock market is owned by a small fraction of the population.) It is the same with small-business owners. The large companies will always get a bailout, and are the only ones who benefit from Q. E., to the detriment of everybody else. Only those middle-class people who buy gold will retain their standard of living during the coming crisis. The lower-classes will benefit, in the short term, from helicopter money, as well as getting their debts wiped out by inflation. Although the collapse of the real economy, along with inflation in consumer prices, will destroy them in the medium- and long-term as well.

>> No.19808050

>>19802750
What’s happening tomorrow?

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>>19808050
>he doesn’t know

>> No.19808120

Only the US will get affected by this so why even care kek

>> No.19808175

>>19808120
Wow you must have literally 0 understanding of the global economy

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>>19808120
>he doesn't know

>> No.19808250

>>19808120
wow. I hope this is bait. All markets have some relationship with one another - stocks, fiat, risk assets

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>>19808080
Seriously.

>> No.19808349

>>19808120

Almost all Western countries are in a stock-market and real-estate bubble and have enormous amounts of debt. The U. K. for example is in an even worse situation than America is. Also, all countries hold dollars as a reserve currency, so, when the dollar goes to zero, those reserves will get wiped out.

>> No.19808703

>>19802749
>>19806367
i still remember the story of the kid that sold runescape gold for ETH back in 2016
guy was like 19 and had made 200k in the bullrun

>> No.19808717

>>19802961
it'd be nice if that had numbers on it for context

>> No.19808920

>>19808176
good read
ty for posting