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Yet the index going down. Are these institutional investors dumping at street?

>> No.19524337

>>19524328
This real?

>> No.19524375
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>>19524328
>this being printed all over press
>Dave Portnoy shilling stocks to millions of his folllowers
>record Robinhood activity
>prevalent 'the prices are just forward looking 3-4 quarters' 'it's all priced in' narratives
>sudden emergence of youtube influencers who now talk about '10 BEST STOCKS TO RETIRE AT 30' 'MY PASSIVE INCOME PORTFOLIO' with thousands of views
I don't know if the ride is over. Just be careful lads. It strangely reminds me crypto euphoria in late 2017.

>> No.19524415

>>19524337
Yes, search for !TOVOLNAS on stockcharts.com or just look up the volume on WSJ or any other place. Funnily enough these are not MOO-MOO contrarians simply shorting QQQ. The volume on FAANG and QQQ was average. It seems like big players offloading many, many positions.

>> No.19524477

>>19524415
Is there no way to see what they were offloading??

>> No.19524557

>>19524477
Probably you should be able to get put/call ratio with Bloomberg terminal (that I don't have access to though) but this won't capture just ordinary emptying of balance sheets by huge pension funds and others.

>> No.19524630

>>19524557
Is there any real reason to be worried about a bunch of boomers and pencil pushers freaking out tho?

>> No.19524676

>>19524328
But who was buying?
I wouldn't be surprised if investment banks and pension funds conspired together to dump as much as possible on the little guy (via pensions) before another leg down.
If there ever will be another leg down, that is....

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>>19524328
> Did you buy the dip?
> Stocks only go up.

>> No.19524696

>>19524630
At the moment I think that most of people feel subconsciously like sitting on a barrel of dynamite anyway. Fear is way stronger emotion than greed and it won't take a lot for all of the people who jumped into buying everything in last couple weeks to sell their holdings really quick. I think it will be enough to print a big red candle tomorrow and let it sink over the weekend actually. Will see tomorrow morning.

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>>19524686
> Stocks only go up.
ACKSCHUALLY

>> No.19524744

>>19524676
I feel like 'street' is still in a frenzy of buying; see >>19524375 We regardless closed in red on the highest historical volume. Which tells me that something big is about to happen.
>>19524686
I've been observing twitter and some other echo chambers that have been very bearish recently. It seems like the pain of bears is reaching limits and some otherwise well composed people throw some hysteric tantrums that 'market is disconnected from reality' and all of these ironic passive-aggressive comments about stocks only going up. It seems like we might be reaching the tipping point for the pain of bears.

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>>19524696
>At the moment I think that most of people feel subconsciously like sitting on a barrel of dynamite anyway.
All seasonally adjusted 21,487,000 of them.

>> No.19524764

>>19524686
i know someone who is dumb and made 900k buying this dip, while i was cautiously waiting on the sidelines. dumb money wins again

>> No.19524792

>>19524744
>something big is about to happen
What can realistically happen, though? The market is pumped full of cash and there are actually a ton of businesses doing well despite corona

>> No.19524797

>>19524764
Why the fuck wouldn't you? Index funds literally and mathematically can not fail unless a literal commie is elected.

>> No.19524846

>>19524760
That's what I think will eventually fuel panic selling if we start going down.
>>19524764
This. It's not like I'm mad - I'm sitting on cash mostly and made some profits - bit it just feels wrong. I'm literally just waiting to hear from my mom over phone about my cousins who made 200% on stocks and all this kind of stories you were hearing during the crypto run in 2017.
>>19524792
Don't get me wrong bro, I'm not advocating here any multi-year bear market. I talk about way shorter time frames here and just think we are about to some long-awaited move down soon.

>> No.19524851

>>19524764
This has been going on since 2009.
More than a decade without a siginificant correction in the big indices let alone a downturn.
Entire financial careers have been built upon peoples experience that things only go up and up and up and up.
And all of them - well most of them - have been prooven correct in this assumptions.
People who thought too much and looked to close were being priced out of everything by people who didn't and just bought.
However, always remember:
>P&L is unrealized
>gains only happen after the trade
So if they're still holding, they still only hold stock.
Kudos to those who actually cashed out and are living the high life now.

>> No.19524896

>>19524846
I'm honestly ready for another leg down if it happens, I'll just accumulate some more cheap shit and keep riding. Assuming, of course, all the companies I've invested in don't go bankrupt

>> No.19524955

>>19524375
This picture actually paints a very very dark future.
A future where the comon person is so priced out of everything that many will have to pool resources together to own just one full stock.
>housing unaffordable
>life expanses a multiple of today
>stock prices in the stratosphere
>digital currency
>gold at $100 (one hundred) because no one will ever be able to buy a full fucking bar or coin from you and no one wants to smash those things up like Schwab is doing with stocks
FUCK THIS GAY EARTH

>> No.19525058

>>19524719
Imagine being the cuck who bought the top of the tech bubble 2000.

>> No.19525399

>>19524719
What about investors who suffer from acrophobia?

>> No.19525462
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19525462

Put/Call Ratio at 29th most overbought day in 20 years, a 0.60% frequency event.

>> No.19525539

>>19525399
>What about investors who suffer from acrophobia?
Simple solution:
>zoom in more

>> No.19525553

>>19525462
Can you explain in layman's terms

>> No.19525587

Stocks go down sometimes. Sometimes for years. If you don't get this. Then you are reason there are bubbles. There is a good chance that stocks will be lower in a few years, but also higher 10+ years from now. So either get a long term perspective or reduce your risk because you can loose money in stocks. It is possible even if you haven't invested before 2010.

>> No.19525615

>>19525553
>puts = selling stocks
>calls = buying stocks
>if there is x people buying and y selling then the Put/Call ratio is defined as x/(x+y) so in other words what part of all trades are the selling trades
>if there's the same number of buying and selling people then x = y and the ration is x/(x+y) = 0.5
>if there's more people selling stocks than buying the ratio will be higher than 0.5
>if there's more people buying stocks than selling the ratio will be smaller than 0.5
>now it's exceptionally low

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>>19525553
It means the stonk market is going to crash. Sell everything now and buy when it’s much cheaper

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>>19524328
The market has until July, I've looked at the computer projections. Market is fucking FAKE.
Short the fucking market at 28,000, all of us collectively. Are we forgetting about inverting yield curves and the corporate debt level becoming too high?
Fuck Uber, fuck Airbnb, fuck Boeing for being pumped after I already made 1,000 off of it. Fuck this market. Fuck the occultist ridden NWO abusing their power and hoarding resources from the working people. Fuck the political system that has failed us with citizens United. Fuck the political actions groups organizing these fucking riots and instigating. Fuck Jeffery Epstein. Fucking the corruption of our youth. Fuck Donald Trump, fuck Hillary Clinton studying fucking voodo and multiple other subjects.
Edward Snowden should be fucking free. We have the right to know, it is fucking INSANE that this is fucking NORMAL.
Fuck Monsanto, fuck the lobbying pipeline from Israel who is the #1 country for foreign lobbying to push us for their agenda in the middle east.
Fuck the clear psyop that is the altright to divide and conquer. Quit. Being. Fucking. Pawns.
Fuck the libertarian party created by the Koch brothers, fuck (((Peter Schiff))), don't forget that you can best quantify a voter on race and gender, then comes which state they live in.
Fuck this. Fuck this. What fucking shit show was I just born into? What the fuck. Fuck you oldfags who clearly saw the degeneration of our political system and didn't fucking riot. Fuck America not protecting her businesses, fuck the Democrats for supporting child labor in China, fuck Trump for pretending to protect American factories while it is a total facade. Fuck the intelligence agencies. Fuck the state for charging me $500 dollars for parking in the wrong spot.

Fuck it. I'm making money to be fucking safe, because GOD knows what the fuck is going to happen. If YOU are not fucking worried, you should be.

>> No.19525708

>>19524328
God fucking bless America. Don't forget child laborers are making 3 cents on an 80 dollar Nike product. But, that is the cool liberal brand.. bahahahah fuck this. I'm going insane. I need my meds, I can't do this shit anymore. People are fucking fools.

>> No.19525721

>>19524955
What difference does it make if people buy fractional or full shares? Regular people already do this indirectly when buying into ETFs or mutual funds. Fractionals just make it easier for small investors to get ownership. The only downside here is voting rights, which are irrelevant whether you own Two (2) shares of AAPL or 0.125.

>> No.19525738

>>19525462
Yield curve and like 15 other indicators basically calling for a recession. Apparently, /biz/ forgot that and we are in a new paradigm.

>> No.19525756

>>19525738
Haven't the moneybrains been talking about how this is going to be a recession for months now??

>> No.19525784

>>19524557
>Probably you should be able to get put/call ratio
low iq here
once you get that.. which insights can you grab?

>> No.19525874

>>19525784
Any indicator at extreme can be interpreted in a contrarian way: if we have an unprecedented value then it should go back to normal soon. And roughly saying in this case this value had only 0.60% probability of happening so it means that it's very unusual and should be going back to normal soon. In this case going back to normal means an increased number of puts i.e. short sellers of the market.

tl;dr we might be reaching peak euphoria buying

>> No.19525971

>>19525756
Been like a fucking year. Wrote an essay on it for college. I am fucking worried. I actually should look over that essay, it was my final for English 2 and I got a 97% from a liberal professor who I think was unsettled by the redpills.

>> No.19526134

>>19524797
>Why the fuck wouldn't you? Index funds literally and mathematically can not fail unless a literal commie is elected
aren't they in a bubble?
Why commie elected = index fund fail?

>> No.19526150

gonna sell tomorrow, next week is looking bad

>> No.19526554

>>19525587
>stocks go up sometimes
>stocks go down sometimes
the remaining times anon is a faggot

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19526621

>>19524851
Stocks only go up

>> No.19526657

>>19525664
>i timed the market poorly so that means the market is fake and its a bubble

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>>19524797
>>19524851
>>19525587
>>19526134
Stocks only go up

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfydIbhduu0

>> No.19528143

>>19524764
>made 900k buying
How the fuck? He put in like 2 mil?

>> No.19528315

>>19524764
Yeah every normie retard I know was buying like crazy in March. I thought I was so smart sitting in cash. I guess the herd gets it right sometimes

>> No.19528321

>>19525462
Weird, every time that happens it seems to preceed a bull market

>> No.19528338

Wash trading

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>>19528321
nice catch

>> No.19529475

>>19528315
People who bought btc at 17k probably thought they were smart too. And the ones that are still holding will obviously look smart a year from now (although that’s a long drawdown).... The rest however got utterly JUSTed

1 guess as to what happens to the “smart” robinhood lacrosse player fucks circa a few months from now.

Go on. Take a guess

>> No.19530498

>>19528321
Correct but I'd use it as a contrarian indicator this tie.

>> No.19530855

>>19529475

Anyone who is old enough to have invested around 2000 remembers this. Everyone any their mom was in the stock market. 10 years later the stock market had crashed two times over. If you invested in 2000 it would have taken you 10+ years to recover, IF the companies you bought didn't go bankrupt. By 2010 most normies thought of the stock market as a casino and wouldn't touch it with a 20ft pole. That is the vibe you want to feel when you invest, knowing that others are fearful. When everyone and their mom is saying "stonks go up brrrrr lol" bragging about buying a "dip" with unemployment worse than the great depression (and still increasing), you know this shit is going down long term. You might miss out on a few pennies in the mean time, but in 2-3 years you'll have the opportunity to buy at prices 50% lower.

>> No.19532032

>normies npcs caught the knife perfect you can't do that that's IMPOSSIBLE it's gotta crash soon just look at the unemployment FAKE MARKET all you guys are going to look like idiots when it crashes and my puts are worth millions!!!
crying so y face.jpeg

>> No.19533138

>>19525874
Holy kek i had to read your digits three times over as they appeared the same as the anon posting above you who you quoted. Spooky shit

>> No.19533210

>>19530855
checkarino

>> No.19533564

>>19525721
>What difference does it make if people buy fractional or full shares?

You're the bottom of the pyramid scheme, but if they can find a way to add a layer to the bottom of the pyramid and extract a little more wealth from everyone then they will.

>> No.19534331

>>19530855
>Anyone who is old enough to have invested around 2000 remembers this. Everyone any their mom was in the stock market.

Yup. I remember starting high school in '98 and my parents rolling up in a Merrill Lynch office to buy a bunch of tech startup stocks. A few years later they were bitching about the Merrill Lynch around the dinner table. Luckily my mom worked for Apple for ten years before she was laid off so she had stocks she never sold until recently.

>> No.19534499

>>19525664
Based

>> No.19534546

>>19524328
tech is super inflated.

should have joined team oil, dumb faggots.

>> No.19534557

>>19524375
I'm exiting all my positions before the weekend. I will enter back in on monday if this weekend is cool. made my profits so i'm cool

>> No.19534649

>>19524328
My immediate instinct when I see what looks like a fully impossible jobs number is to sell everything and move into cash? Should I do it /b/?