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[Anonymous No.19320252]

This is the Lake of the Ozarks today. Will the complete disregard for social distancing lead to another economic downturn?

[Anonymous No.19320268]

>>19320252
10 major reason why the 2nd wave was much more deadly...you won't believe number 4!

[Anonymous No.19320278]

>>19320252
No

[Anonymous No.19320280]

Speaking of the Ozarks I finally gave that show a watch and it is pretty fucking awful

[Anonymous No.19320294]

looks like a big fat sausage party

where are the girls?

[Anonymous No.19320344]

>>19320252
Based. I just got back from partying in Destin. Tons of people flew in the past couple days.
The economy is about to surge as more people realize that coronavirus is just a boomer-remover.

[Anonymous No.19320363]

>>19320252
seething libtard
it's OVER

[Anonymous No.19320386]

disgusting fat white people

[Anonymous No.19320387]

>>19320252
is the point of being in waist high water so that you can just piss non-stop while drinking?

[Anonymous No.19320401]

>>19320252
Stop being a fucking pussy "social distancing" actually leads to viruses because your immune system weakens.

[Anonymous No.19320406]

>>19320363
I want to keep collecting my neetbux you incel piece of shit

[Anonymous No.19320426]

>>19320401
What a moronic interpretation.

[Anonymous No.19320430]

>>19320401

"The only way to be healthy is to be bombarded with diseases"

[Anonymous No.19320439]

>>19320252
we're about to find out. a second wave of dead geriatrics, maybe. look at the front page of the NYT crying about an "incalculable loss" and check out the ages of the dead. literally half are in their 90s. are they the ones propping the economy up?

[Anonymous No.19320440]

>All those trucker hats
Send in the nukes
...Will that solve the covid-19 problem?
In a way, yes

[Anonymous No.19320446]

>>19320252
no because it's over.

you should have bought stocks a few weeks ago but you can still gain a lot of you buy today. this week will be nuts, green like you've never seen.

[Anonymous No.19320472]

>>19320446
We have 40 million on unemployment and you think we've hit bottom?

[Anonymous No.19320477]

>>19320430
Don't be mean, he got his college education from that one episode of The Simpsons

[Anonymous No.19320546]

>>19320472
forced unemployment, as soon as businesses open back up the demand for labour goes back

[Anonymous No.19320555]

>>19320252
dam baka human beans are such fucking retards

[Anonymous No.19320588]

>>19320546
lol

[Anonymous No.19320614]

>>19320252
where all the non whites?

[Anonymous No.19320627]

im sure US tourism will flourish.

glad republican talk show hosts gave us someone to blame for this right in time for summer. surely ronie wont mutate into a way deadlier virus for the 2nd wave while we have our guard down.

after all goy, mitigating a disease is a think brainwashed sheep do, and your not brainwashed, are you?

[Anonymous No.19320683]

>>19320401
Based

[Anonymous No.19320701]

>>19320252
Can't wait until nothing at all happens because of this, and yet everyone who is upset about it will seethe and stir and once again attempt to gaslight us all into thinking that it was actually bad that people went outside.

Georgia. Florida. Texas. Sweden. How many States/Countries need to end lockdowns/straight up not have lockdowns before we realize how ridiculous this shit is? Oh yeah a lot of 80+ year old's have died, and while I do find that tragic, it's not a reason to shame people into staying inside for the next two years. We need another Civil War.

[Anonymous No.19320726]

>>19320387
Close, but the normies like being in or involved with water in one way or another as something like a fashion statement or accessory.

[Anonymous No.19320761]

>>19320386
come to Daytona bro

[Anonymous No.19320788]

>>19320280
finally someone agrees, show fucking sucks and is stupid

[Anonymous No.19320809]

Oh my God

How dare they

>>pulls card

Enjoy their life!!

[Anonymous No.19320814]

Possibly, but in the end Corona-chan Win. Seems to me it's going to become like the flu; no cure, can't be eradicated, vaccines make a little dent.

[Anonymous No.19320833]

>Enjoy their life

[Anonymous No.19320876]

>>19320294
Where do you think you are??

[Anonymous No.19320896]

[Anonymous No.19320960]

>>19320252
Can't even swim with such a crowd, what's the point?
Risk getting lung aids just to stand around in waist deep water while drinking beer...

Why do normies enjoy this?

[Anonymous No.19320963]

>>19320960
normies are herd animals, like sheep

[Anonymous No.19320996]

Others are having fun when daddy government told me not to have fun so I'm going to whine about it so no one has fun.

[Anonymous No.19321057]

>>19320252
>hey man let's go to the lake and swim in a tiny overcrowded pool by the lake instead of IN the actual fucking lake
americans why do be like this tho?

[Anonymous No.19321095]

>>19320960
literally so they can say they did it, they derive all sense of self worth based on the approval of their peers

[Anonymous No.19321097]

>>19320960
>lung aids
bingo, nothing burger flu bros on here still don't grasp the long-standing effects of this monster of a virus chinks created

wait till 6 months from now when turns out it is like HIV and reemerges from your immune system in the form of blood oozing out every orifice, hope it was worth the beer

[Anonymous No.19321116]

>>19321057
Because most of our lakes are shitty brown cloudy bodies of water that are man-made simply for water retention, nobody wants to swim in them

[Anonymous No.19321139]

>>19320252
>FreezeFrame
>*click*
>Enhance

[Anonymous No.19321165]

>>19320614
Being good boys.

[Anonymous No.19321176]

>>19320701
This

[Anonymous No.19321184]

>>19321097
i would lol if this happenedd, but it wont.

[Anonymous No.19321192]

>>19321097
Yeah dude I read that it mutates and turns your dick into a vagina and that it makes your asshole explode and blood come out of your eyeballs.

You fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.19321241]

>>19320701
Sweden just had a record number of deaths since like 1993 retard

[Anonymous No.19321279]

>>19320252
Virus can't be transmitted retard. The next hoax wave for usa and europe will come when lung problems increase again in winter.

[Anonymous No.19321282]

>>19320701

[Anonymous No.19321313]

>>19321282
fake and gay

[Anonymous No.19321314]

looks familiar

[Anonymous No.19321322]

>>19321279

[Anonymous No.19321330]

>>19320252
>only nigger there is wearing hi-vis and is clearly working
truly based

[Anonymous No.19321344]

>>19320546
The demand goes back up, the supply probably won't. I still remember seeing all of those businesses complaining that people were being paid more for unemployment than "they could afford" to pay their employees. I can guarantee you that the vast majority of workers are going to be equipped such that they aren't going to be flying off the rails to go work at their same fucking 99 cent store for minimum wage and potentially risk rising rates of infection just because "businesses are open".

[Anonymous No.19321349]

>>19321282
>>19321241
Now do Georgia, Florida and Texas compared to New York.

Sweden had relatively high death tolls compared to Scandinavian countries, but is now leveling out on new cases just like everyone else.

Also >>19321282 is "daily new cases" which is such a fun thing to post about, because it further proves what an overreaction we've had. For instance if you have 1,000,000 new cases and 1 death, then who the fuck cares? Yet you can post a chart about the million new cases and retards like Anon will spam post it screeching about how scary it is. Absolute fucking brainlets.

[Anonymous No.19321376]

Who the fuck wants to be in a crowded pool especially with mudbutt americans. One of the most disgusting things I've seen on this site and we are talking about 4chan(nel) here. All the "women" look like men. Jesus fuck don't post these low level people on here. Biz is about making it for god sake.

[Anonymous No.19321377]

>>19321349
ok, go do the same for death tolls with each of the countries. i'll wait.

[Anonymous No.19321390]

>>19321349
I like how you posted a picture that has a 44% death rate in all resolved cases.

[Anonymous No.19321401]

>>19321139
Kek and based. Literal Chad.

[Anonymous No.19321410]

>>19320252
Nothing will happen as long as they stay away from the elderly.

[Anonymous No.19321422]

>>19320252
Naw it’s gonna lead to the roaring 20s

[Anonymous No.19321427]

>>19321390
>all resolved cases

I don't think that means what you think it means.

>>19321377
Whoa, we're seeing more and more cases of people not even noticing that they have the virus at all! Scary stuff!

[Anonymous No.19321447]

>>19321282
Do Belgium now.

Absolute worst corona deaths per 1M population in the entire world, yet Belgium was one of the first to enact a very strict lockdown.

[Anonymous No.19322423]

>>19320252
based

[Anonymous No.19322460]

>>19320280
i disagree but thats okay

[Anonymous No.19322488]

>>19321447
no shit
every oldfag that dies is getting tagged as corona even though it probably wasn't

[Anonymous No.19322511]

>>19320761
omg why so many more blacks die from Coronachan? Image in point sums it all up.

[Anonymous No.19322529]

>>19320252
It hasn't been explicitly said, but it has been implied very hard that unless there is a hospital run, there will be no second lockdown in the United States. No lockdown, no harm to the markets. See historic stock market data during the Spanish flu.

[Anonymous No.19322581]

Corona was a nothingburger blown up to huge proportions to have an excuse when pension funds will turn out to have 10% coverage. Wagies are fkd.

[Anonymous No.19322597]

look at all dem fucking mutts. where the hamboigas at?!

[Anonymous No.19322836]

>>19322581
Goy vey they know. Shut er down.

[Anonymous No.19322977]

>>19322676
>point out anything incorrect about what I said
Well for starters, viruses (including coronaviruses) have a very narrow window every year where they peak.
There is simply no way in hell for the virus to infect half the country within this narrow window.

[Anonymous No.19323020]

>>19322977
>facts I just made up

[Anonymous No.19323029]

>>19323020

[Anonymous No.19323031]

>>19322597
kek

[Anonymous No.19323036]

>>19320252
Corona virus is a hoax.

[Anonymous No.19323045]

>>19320252
this is kinda ok because it's in the sun and the UV light kills the virus. but what pisses me off are all the brainlets in supermarkets and indoor who don't wear masks. we deserve a second wave and a great depression. i want low IQ normies wiped out and begging for food.

[Anonymous No.19323047]

>>19320294
have you never gone out before? girls are always like 1:5 at shit like this

[Anonymous No.19323066]

>>19323029
Its just a flu bro

[Anonymous No.19323068]

>>19323047
this. at more upscale events, promoters make sure there are enough girls. I remember places where you needed to have 2-3 girls with you as a nobody if you wanted to enter.

[Anonymous No.19323076]

>>19321282
Hmmm it's almost like the United States incentivized hospitals to report deaths as covid, and the CDC made the guidelines for labeling deaths as covid incredibly easy to do. Weird.

[Anonymous No.19323083]

>>19323029
Is literally half the goddamn year a "very short window of time" to you? Honestly curious.

[Anonymous No.19323094]

>>19323029
fake graph

[Anonymous No.19323095]

>>19320252
>Lake of the Ozarks
Why do americans love this?

[Anonymous No.19323118]

>>19323095
that tells you everything you need to know about the crowd attracted to this place: young, tasteless, broke, low IQ

[Anonymous No.19323136]

>>19323083
Maybe you should pay at least some attention to the shape of those sheer peaks.
There are only two months or so when the flu kills more people than random cow attacks.

[Anonymous No.19323138]

>>19321349
Now that we know Corona-chan isn't nearly as deadly as people wanted to make us believe, I'd argue that it's even better to have high infection rates. This way your country will reach herd immunity sooner and is better protected due to partial immunity in case the second wave turns out to be a lot deadlier (like with the Spanish Flu).

Just imagine if Corona mutates, comes back jan 2021 and BTFOs every country that had a strict lock down during 2020. I'd by laughing my ass off. It's Australia in 1919 all over again.

[Anonymous No.19323152]

>>19320252
Too many fat, lazy pieces of shit. Hope they all get it.

[Anonymous No.19323155]

>>19320280
So you don't like strong independent women?

> have sex

[Anonymous No.19323204]

>>19323076
>Hmmm it's almost like the United States incentivized hospitals
Yup.
Something along the lines of 13k per corona patient, and 39k for corona patients on ventilators.

[Anonymous No.19323221]

>>19320280
They get points for getting close ish to the breaking bad knockoff they want to be, points for idea. Holy fuck who designed the character for the mom + daughter+ Snell woman. So incredibly funny it's all written by a women yet the most retarded destructive and unnacountable yet helpless characters are all women. Sure it's accurate how they fuck everything up, but geez, helpless women fucking up shit plot-devices really suck for the whole strong women feminism is positive argument. It's a show about a bunch of power hungry bitches who think outside perspective is an unhealthy thing.

[Anonymous No.19323227]

>>19320430
This is exactly how your immune system works you stupid fucking parasite

[Anonymous No.19323229]

>>19320477
>move it chowder-head!

>>19321282
You think vietnam is testing people? Its almost impossible to go to zero cases and its R0 is so high it spreads rapidly. This disease will be endemic somewhere for a long time (south america likely).

>>19322529
Europe was pouring money into the USA due to our ability during WW1 for manufacturing of products and weapons as well as commodity supply. This is a financial crisis, a political crisis (reverse of globalism and new cold war), and a health crises rolled into one.

[Anonymous No.19323233]

>>19320386
>Wealthy peiple
>Disgusting fat privelidged wealthy people with nothing to do with their lives
I think they are in every country anon.

[Anonymous No.19323235]

>>19320280
I like it.

[Anonymous No.19323246]

>>19323227
Don't tell it, let it suffer once it leaves its gubmint mandated bubble.

[Anonymous No.19323273]

>>19320252
>another economic downturn
>another
We are literally just starting an economic downturn for the first time in ~11.5 years

[Anonymous No.19323562]

>>19320268
kek underrated.

[Anonymous No.19323626]

>>19320252
What exactly is the end-game of pro-lockdown advocates? Everyone should just stay locked up until the end of time? The whole point of "#flattenthecurve" was to slow down the transmission rate so that the hospitals and emergency services wouldn't be overwhelmed. We have now known for quite some time that hospitals and emergency services are not overwhelmed whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.19323639]

>>19323227
>shoot me with ebola, hiv and malaria, I want to be healthy

[Anonymous No.19323699]

>>19320252
Why would ignoring the FUD designed to implement martial law fuck the economy. What will cause another downturn is the fact that Zion Don and the merry band of Rothschild gimps have already tucked you up and made your private holdings as worthless as they can, all while giving you a good boi stimulus package ensuring you're dependent on them. What will crash it is that only 1/4 Americans actually make a net contribution and are supporting women and niggers, with the government insisting that no economically productive sector function, the camel's back is going to give. America was already as socialist as is possible without utter implosion. This move will give the government a lot more power, but they've got about 5 years until they're a Chinese revolution tier shithole

[Anonymous No.19323701]

>>19323221
I didn't realize it was written by a woman but holy fuck that explains so much because it seems pretty similar a lot of other drama shows that are marketed towards women- boring, no humor, no character development, no memorable dialogue. I like Ruth's character, but it gets old, and frankly being exclusively into 90's rap is not a real character trait that should be revisited every episode for literally no reason other than to make itself known

[Anonymous No.19323710]

>>19323626
There's a difference from being pro-lockdown and being an anti-retard.
I wouldn't go into that pool even with covid gone

[Anonymous No.19323723]

>>19323639
>meme diseases in a simulation

[Anonymous No.19323728]

>>19323710
I don't give a fuck about some webm of a pool. I'm talking about the general sentiment of lockdown advocates who have absolutely zero goal or end-game beyond "we just need to stay locked up forever because of the flu"

[Anonymous No.19323734]

>>19320401
It is actually the worst choice possible in a highly mutatible high RN, but relatively non lethal virus to distance. The best choice is to rapidly infect everyone at the same time, reaching total immunity, instead of insuring that there's a constant reservoir of the virus constantly mutating, ensuring that no one ever gets immunity

[Anonymous No.19323747]

>>19320430
YES
>>19320472
BRRRRRRRRRR
line go up

[Anonymous No.19323774]

>>19321097
It's less harmful than SARS (which is actually ironically why over a large enough population it might be more of a "problem")

[Anonymous No.19323785]

>>19321282
>cases are deaths

[Anonymous No.19323849]

>>19321192
Literally all 3 happened to me when I got my gender affirmation surgery. That hospital admission was a wild fucking ride

[Anonymous No.19324262]

>>19321401
he probably just met her 3 minutes ago

[Anonymous No.19324765]

massive amount of cope in this thread, ill take care of all the women that make it through this. enjoy your permanent reduced lung capacity and autoimmune disorder fellow burgers.

[Anonymous No.19324790]

>>19320252
I watched half of the first episode thinking it's a movie. Fuck them for wasting my time. I hope they all get corona ebola HIV and die a painfull death. DEATH 2 LAKE OZARK

[Anonymous No.19325026]

>>19323045
Why would I wear a mask? I tested positive in March and was sick for two days. This is no worse than the flu. How about diabetic obese motherfuckers wear masks if they're so frightened? N95 doesn't even block corona anyway, and people wearing masks at the market aren't even wearing N95 level.

[Anonymous No.19325345]

>>19320252
we're starting death wave 10 now. get up to speed.

[Anonymous No.19325639]

>>19320701
>It's nothing.
Tell that to the +300k people who have died so far

[Anonymous No.19325993]

>>19323639
he said bombard not inject fucking retard

[Anonymous No.19326061]

truth is it was nuffin borger from the start just to tank stocks and crypto by 50% for anyone smart enough to re-accumulate even more. they sold at the feb top then bought back in at the march low and effectively gained even more wealth while plebs panic bought toilet paper and did nothing. this is why the elites and lesser elites are ahead and deserve to be elites.

[Anonymous No.19326093]

>>19323095
Yea every disgusting “beach” vacation town for poor people has places like this. Was at a Co-workers in some jersey shore shithole and there were 3-4 places with sexual innuendo names. Degenerates.

[Anonymous No.19326121]

>>19320960
Yeah absolutely pointless.

Being in your own pool with a qt is one thing. This cancer is another

[Anonymous No.19326133]

Social distance warriors are faggots and the worst part is they ignore the science they claim to champion.

[Anonymous No.19326149]

>>19325639
300k is actually nothing though

[Anonymous No.19326151]

>>19325639
That count everything as a corona death. A GREAT MAJORITY of the deaths are 85 y/o diabetic Gertrude who had a meeting with the grim reaper either way. Except that if the hospital says her old age is corona-related they get big fat grant$
Why are you so fucking gullible?

[Anonymous No.19326153]

Let them live a little we've been locked up for months now

[Anonymous No.19326161]

>>19326061
I think you mean the elites just got the government to bail out their zombie corporations once again. If not have fun buying Pepsi at 25 times earnings

[Anonymous No.19326168]

>>19320252
>Will the complete disregard for social distancing lead to another economic downturn?
Probably after everyone OD'd on consumption after christmas. In the meantime the economy will get boosted by "pent up demand" like crazy.
Or something...

[Anonymous No.19326177]

>>19320252
>Will the complete disregard for social distancing
You're in the wrong paradigm. The shit food those people eat and drink, the cell phones they have in their pockets, the chlorine in this swimming pool, the cell towers surrounding the area, have more negative impact on their health than a supposed virus. Terrain theory.

[Anonymous No.19326397]

The misinformation spread around about Covid is fucking hilarious. You are a cretin for believing that this is nothing. We don’t even know the long term repercussions of surviving this virus. Many cases where your lungs get destroyed. Just shut the fuck up and stay home.

[Anonymous No.19326423]

>>19326397
It's a bad cold. You're a fag. You hide in your toilet paper fort; the rest of us are heading to the beach.

[Anonymous No.19326436]

>>19320252
almost all of them are fat as fuck. why is america like this?

[Anonymous No.19326445]

>>19326397

It’s the typical republitard “I trust Hannity over an MD” retardation. Just let them all die off.

[Anonymous No.19326469]

>>19326397
> Stay inside do what I tell you to do because I don't believe in freedom and liberty.
You're a faggot my ancestors didn't die for liberty for me to piss it away on scum like you.

[Anonymous No.19326478]

>>19326436
It's a public pool. Only literal human garbage uses public pools. Also I don't even understand why that pool even exists when it's right next to open water.

[Anonymous No.19326497]

>>19323728
Most people would have accepted a longer lock down, but the state governments fucked up hard. Like half the people never got any unemployment money. That is messed up.

[Anonymous No.19326516]

>>19326397
The reality is that the economic conditions we have created will cause many more to die
300k virus deaths is literally nothing..thats flu season. It's retarded.

[Anonymous No.19326551]

>>19326497
Most people have accepted it because they're uncritical midwits. The only sensible goal of lockdowns were to slow down transmission so that hospitals would not be overwhelmed. But now that we have more data and know that 1) it's nowhere near as bad as first estimated, and 2) the hospitals are not being overwhelmed, the lockdowns serve literally no beneficial purpose. Brainlets think that "stopping infections" is somehow an end goal, as if we can just keep everyone locked up forever. We're well past the point where lockdowns are still warranted

[Anonymous No.19326563]

>>19326423
1 million deaths EOS. Is it still going to be a bad cold?

[Anonymous No.19326596]

>>19326563
Sure will. If you're under 50, you're 6 times more likely to die drowning in a bathtub than from this media driven hoax.
If you're under 30, you're more likely to be struck by lightning on the way to collect your Powerball winnings.

See ya never soiboi

[Anonymous No.19326663]

I feel like this image is viral only because it's all white people and not because anyone cares about coronavirus. All the people posting this clip on Twitter are all the usual suspects. The blacks near me have basically ignored the social distancing stuff for the past three months and nobody has published any pictures. They literally have cops posted up in the parks to disperse large gatherings of Afro-Dominicans

[Anonymous No.19326690]

>>19326469

Your ancestors died so that they could establish an oligarchy and own slaves. “”””””””””Liberty”””””””” had nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.19326710]

>>19320627
>after all goy, mitigating a disease is a think brainwashed sheep do, and your not brainwashed, are you?

Point of lockdown was to not overwhelm hospitals, which turns out, was at no risk of happening anyway. Look at sweden, Japan, Georgia in the US. No lockdowns, and the virus is still trending downwards at the same rate as places with lockdown.

[Anonymous No.19326726]

>>19323045
Like the other anon said n95s are a bare minimum and don’t do fuck all. Those blue masks people wear are just a big farce to make people feel safe. In a crowded space you’d need a p100, those are expensive, sold out everywhere, and in my major city of seeing hundreds of people at grocery stores over the last months, I was the only one I ever saw wearing a p100.

And guess what? People looked at me like I was a hitler robot in February and March for having a mask on (even the n95) now that it’s been shown to be total horseshit (literally EVERY PROJECTION (death rate, infection rate, hospital capacity) have been wrong), here we are in May, I don’t wear a mask anymore, people look at me like I’m hitler once again.

You are a fucking sheep my man. There’s no chance in hell that we “flattened the curve”, the pandemic was announced, people were dying, no one was taking it seriously till very recently. Italy should’ve happened but everywhere. It’s over.

>big bank and company bailouts coming that would’ve been needed for these companies regardless of Rona, now no one’s asking questions.
>paypig UBI competes with small businesses, bezos and the rest growing exponentially more powerful
>increased surveillance globally
>increased gun control globally (lmao)
>38billion to Israel

God bless the USA

[Anonymous No.19326748]

>>19326663
if you see the initial posts about this on social media the people replying are complaining more about the fact that it's a gathering of mayoskins enjoying themselves without any minorities in sight more than they're angry about potential coofing. It's literally just sour grapes. nobody actually cares about corona it's just a vessel for their own politics or insecurities and a chance to feel like you're superior

[Anonymous No.19326772]

>>19320252
That's where the economic damage of this whole ordeal will be blamed on, yes.
Better them than us right?

[Anonymous No.19326795]

>>19325639
The flu goes by every year and kills more than 300k worldwide.

[Anonymous No.19326801]

>>19320252
Why are the elite afraid of people getting together again when they've already avoided an Occupy Wallstreet 2.0?

[Anonymous No.19326859]

>>19323221
>They get points for getting close ish to the breaking bad knockoff they want to be
I actually think the premise and main character is better than breaking bad.
Actually. Everything except direction, artistic direction and Bryan craston acting was better in Ozark.

[Anonymous No.19326873]

>>19320280
they killed the best and only good character in the first season, you know who.

they had a great and interesting character and instead they replaced it with a bunch of retarded rednecks.

fuck this show.

[Anonymous No.19326975]

>>19320280
agreed

[Anonymous No.19327005]

>>19320252
Corona has been debunked coward. It's a gates ploy to make 100's of billions.

[Anonymous No.19327022]

>>19320252
NOOOO DONT YOU KNOW THERE IS A HECKING MILD FLU OUT

[Anonymous No.19328148]

>>19320294
Doing the audition at Blacked

[Anonymous No.19328173]

Fuck your commie lockdown. Why don't the soibois and boomers stay home and let everyone else do what they want

[Anonymous No.19328527]

>>19321139
chad got to work in like 10 seconds

[Anonymous No.19328752]

>>19328173
>Capitalism create a fake quarantine psy-op in order to purge overproduction and deflate the bubble.
>Fuck your commie lockdown.
You are not one of our brightest.

[Anonymous No.19329219]

>>19320701
US has had almost as many deaths as caused by WWI casualties now....

[Anonymous No.19329261]

>>19328173
because soifags want you to do exactly what they do. if they abstain from meat they want you to quit eating meat too, etc. etc. it's the commie mentality.

[Anonymous No.19329483]

>>19326397
And how long should we "stay" home ? Until there's a vaccine ? Because I got some bad news for you there.

[Anonymous No.19329559]

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN OZARKERINOS. YOU CANT DO THAT WE ARE IN A PANDEMIC. YOU MUST STAY 72 INCHES APART AND WEAR THE MASK AT ALL TIMES LIKE I HEARD ON CNN!

[Anonymous No.19329571]

>>19320252
.1% death rate for people under 50

fuck social distancing fags

[Anonymous No.19329622]

>>19320280
Television is semitic propaganda, imagine willingly exposing yourself to their psyops

[Anonymous No.19329750]

>>19322460
t. Bike Cuck

[Anonymous No.19329772]

>>19320252
>social distancing
>stay hooooome

[Anonymous No.19329816]

thnx amerifats for crashing the global economy

[Anonymous No.19329919]

>>19326177
its not OR, its AND

[Anonymous No.19329934]

>>19326469
>I don't believe in freedom and liberty
It's really hilarious that you clowns continually lean on this as if it's a valid argument. The only "freedoms" I've lost in this are my ability to get a haircut at will and my local electronics store WAS closed, but now if I wear a little mask, I can still shop there (provided there's less than 5 customers inside at a time). It's a matter of public safety, which has been the case for more than a century. The more you permit this virus to spread, the more you shit on the work of your ancestors to truly make this into a great country for the sake of your idol worship.

[Anonymous No.19329956]

>>19326149
psychologically it is for the general population. I know you are anti social and all that jazz. but the psychology behind 300k deaths will be strong enough to crash the econonomy. which is fucking awsome. deflate the bubble. time for a new cycle. no more handouts for incells

[Anonymous No.19329986]

>>19326177
>supposed virus
ok retard

[Anonymous No.19330018]

>>19326497
fuck you and your handout ideology. back to work wagey

[Anonymous No.19330072]

>>19325026
>>19326726
brainlets. you dont ware a surgical mask to protect yourself but to protect others. It blocks around 97% of particles. If everybody wears one it drastically reduce the amount of projections if people cough or sneeze. If we dont wear mask and i sneeze at your face if you wear a surgical mask it still prevents the large droplets to go in your face, reducing the virus quantity you receive. If I wear a mask and you wear a mask and i sneeze at your face, what do you think happen moron?

[Anonymous No.19330119]

>>19329934
NYC openly flaunting this commie lockdown / General Strike / Alinsky shnitzle

Pretty based desu

Wish I had a Tibet face mask to wear around; maybe I’ll get a flag for the next wave

The economic damage from Lockdown is greater than any amount of deaths from Muh Whu Flu

Commies of 2020 are cucks who want to watch beasts of no nation gang bang their neon-haired lesbo “gfs” — as if any female could ever desire or take seriously these nu-male soi bois pretty pathetic desu

But whatever stay home quarantine get fat eating pot brownies coom to cuck pr0n until your balls dry out

I’ll be in the park absolutely base boy jugging hydrates livin la vida de rojo sangre 24/7 my capital is making money for me phat divvies stackin’ the business of America is business

I need to buy a muscle V8 for this Roaring Summer of 2020 what a party this will be

[Anonymous No.19330142]

>>19330072
>the masks are for protecting other people

[Anonymous No.19330157]

>>19320252
>no room to even move
what even is the point

[Anonymous No.19330163]

>>19330142
i know logic is hard for brainlets

[Anonymous No.19330176]

>>19330072
Most anti-mask people are under the impression that you wear a mask solely to keep yourself from getting sick. Then they also wonder why Japan is presently moving past COVID-19 and into the future, because shockingly their culture is aware of the reason why you wear face masks. Who could have thought?

>>19330119
>The economic damage from Lockdown is greater than any amount of deaths from Muh Whu Flu
Mostly because we chose to lean the weight of the impact on businesses, rather than ignore Covid-19 and let potentially millions die before capping it.

>the rest of that post
I really don't know if you're retarded or ESL, but it's a struggle to parse any of that as English.

[Anonymous No.19330209]

>>19330163
dilate

[Anonymous No.19330217]

>>19330072
What if you aren't sneezing or coughing?

[Anonymous No.19330226]

>>19320401
Lol the responses to this shows how retarded is the average biz nerd, much about trigonometric analysis and predictions but zero clue about biology and health

[Anonymous No.19330344]

>>19325639
>>19321390
>>19329219
Chiming in to this dumb thread again to say that the panic-porn media consoomers need to do a better job at parsing and understanding the 6 gajillion "COVID" deaths data. AKA they need to look at:

1. Who is dying (age range, race);
2. What are they dying from (pre-existing conditions; severity of health issues);
3. Where are these deaths occurring (big cities, nursing homes, Indian reservations);
4. How were the people that died originally infected.

When you really delve into these questions, you get a better picture of why you shouldn't give a single FUCK if you see a bunch of young people hanging out together outside. Use your fucking brains.

Also, do we get constant media buzz about people dying of "old age"? Of cancer? Of heart-attacks? What if a bunch of those numbers were all of a sudden being reported as one SINGLE disease? Because that's literally what's happening.

Stop being afraid to go outside, to be near people, to end ridiculous lockdown measures. It's absolutely fucking absurd and you're a fucking brainlet if you think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.19330410]

>>19320546
This assumes that businesses don't declare bankruptcy due to this.

[Anonymous No.19330479]

>>19326563
Not even a bad one you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.19330499]

>>19320268
based doomer

[Anonymous No.19330521]

>>19330142
Are you retarded or something? Lol

[Anonymous No.19330527]

yes goy there will be no long lasting permanent effects of this virus.

[Anonymous No.19330606]

yes goy there will be long lasting permanent effects of this virus.

[Anonymous No.19330626]

>>19330217
you still wear one because no one can prevent an accidental sneeze/cough. the number of motherfuckers i see sneeze or cough without mask in public transports or supermarkets... pure selfishness and low IQ.

[Anonymous No.19330637]

>>19330344
holy mother of based

[Anonymous No.19330662]

>>19330626
will you wear masks forever from now on?
if not, you're a hypocrite
and if you do, why haven't you done so before? murderer.

[Anonymous No.19330687]

>>19330626
>you still wear one
No, fuck you.
Also learn to supress your coughs and sneezes or at least learn to buy enough time to cough into your elbow. 'Accidental sneeze? do you have the reaction time of a sloth? fucking kek get out retard

[Anonymous No.19330716]

>>19325639
Before corona nobody ever died

[Anonymous No.19331018]

>>19330662
until we have a vaccine yes.
>>19330687
protip for poorfags like you who can't afford throwaway masks: there are reusable masks or you can wear some piece of tissue.
I've seen many low IQs who cough before putting their elbow up.

Anyway you all deserve a second wave.

[Anonymous No.19331031]

>>19328173
> why don’t the elite who understand numbers and can afford it stay home while us cattle go to the office and partake in the culling
This is what’s happening. Those of us with important jobs, making real money, are working from home and have been instructed to do so for, in many cases, the rest of the year. You plebs will go out and make sure my stonks don’t fall to the tune of 1% of you guys dying, your kids getting kawasaki and your bread winners getting fucked up lungs like coal workers.
I don’t care that you think it’s a nothing burger, keep propping up my stocks please, just know that your betters know this is not a nothing burger and do not intend to subject ourselves to your bug chasing ways.

[Anonymous No.19331072]

history just repeats
https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
in 1918 there was an antimask league. Brainlets gonna brainlet. We should just shoot this morons on sight.

[Anonymous No.19331080]

[Anonymous No.19331178]

>>19323626
to destroy capitalism

[Anonymous No.19331330]

>>19331072
650k people were killed by the spanish flu in the US. population was 100million. Compared to now, that would have corona killing around 2.5 million Americans. It's at 100k right now and the cases are falling rapidly. There would need to be a 25X increase in deaths for it to hit Spanish flu levels. Not even close to being comparable.

[Anonymous No.19331700]

>>19330626
>>19331018
We should just wear masks forever even if coronavirus has a vaccine. Getting the flu every year is stupid and the flu vaccine has a 10% effective rate.

[Anonymous No.19331708]

>>19331330
Covid has the stats to easily kill 2.5 million Americans though. It has a high enough R0 to reach most of the population and it kills 1.2% of all infected.
> deaths are declining
Let’s go over to possible candidates for a cause.
Herd immunity? Less than 10% infected does not lead to noticably diminishing returns for the virus. Herd immunity does not explain the decline.
Vaccines/cures? No, we don’t have any yet.
Warmer weather? The weather is not warm yet in all the places with declining numbers, and corona viruses are known for not being strongly seasonal, like the common cold which is year-round. Plus it is thriving in Brazil which is warmer than here. So, not the summer sun.
Does there remain any cause that has been common to all the places with declining deaths? Why yes, social distancing! And before you go “Sweden”, you should understand that Swedes in general A) understand the virus is real and social distance volontarily (which is what the Swedish strategy is about, relying on the assumption that the population isn’t a bunch if low IQ rednecks that need to be herded) and B) a Swedish party, pre-corona, looks like social distancing to the rest of the world.
Social distancing, and lockdowns (wherever the IQ of the populace can’t be counted upon) is the only explanation for the declining case loads and deaths. So it would make sense that some true, bona fide morons on /biz/ would go “look, deaths are declining, let’s end lockdowns”. It’s just in your nature.
Oh well, as I mentioned in an earlier post, this will only impact you plebs. The elite, like the Swedes, have enough brains to take precautions.

[Anonymous No.19331797]

90% of investors lose money in the stock market. Majority of people fall for scams. Coronavirus is a hoax, let's get back to work.

[Anonymous No.19331846]

>>19331708
>and it kills 1.2% of all infected.

no it does not

[Anonymous No.19331882]

>>19330626
why dont we quarantine forever then? simply leaving your house could cause someone to die

stay home murderer

[Anonymous No.19331950]

>>19331708
I hope you're this big of raging hysterical homosexual in irl and on whatever your choice of social media, so you can look back on your reaction in 2-5 years and laugh at yourself and how you were going through an estrogen driven afraid of everything phase.

[Anonymous No.19331980]

>>19331882
Because this is completely asinine logic that only a complete brainlet would come up with.

[Anonymous No.19332022]

>>19331846
First, your screenshot talks about CFR, not IFR. Second, your screenshot is radically wrong.

Currently dead (US): 100k
Confirmed infected (US): 1.7M
Overall Case Fatality Rate: 5.8%

Your screenshot is bogus, CDC has never claimed CFR would be 0.4% and actual, statistically reliable antibody studies have only been available for about a week, and they show us IFR, a much more interesting number than CFR, and we now know the IFR is 1.2%

[Anonymous No.19332023]

>>19320294
I suspect gender ratios are actually completely skewed towards men. No matter the environment or age group, young or old, I always see more males than females. Governments may either have faulty data or are outright lying about the gender ratio, the real ratio feels like 7-8 men for every 1 woman.

[Anonymous No.19332047]

>>19326061
pretty much this
also global elites will leverage this into having more control by implementing new legislation and if you try to stop it you will be regarded as a terrorist, nazi, etc.
i.e. 9/11

[Anonymous No.19332064]

>>19331950
Hope you have filled your social media with assertions that the people who die don’t matter. I mean, I think they don’t, because it will be people like you, not like me, but I know better than to put that in social media that plebs might find.

[Anonymous No.19332141]

>>19331018
Well, have you worn masks before or are you a murderer?

[Anonymous No.19332363]

>>19321282
false and pederaste

[Anonymous No.19332424]

>>19325639
Just eat your vitamins, people dying are deficient in Vitamin D and Zinc.

[Anonymous No.19332478]

>>19332022
CFR of the flu is around 3%, similar to Covid. Theres no way in hell the Covid IFR is higher than the Flu's IFR (0.1)by a factor of 12.

The very fact that cases are decreasing all over the world, lockdown or not, regardless of what precautions, or even if they took any, at a similar rate gives credence to the idea that a massive portion of the population already has it, and developed the antibodies for it. All these countries with different degrees of lockdowns showing the same bellcurve for the virus is very strong evidence than a huge portion of the population was already infected.

[Anonymous No.19332659]

>>19331031
>Dad got me a job and told me he expects that we will be working from home for the rest of the year
Based, I guess upper middle class really was code for rich

[Anonymous No.19332669]

>>19332064
I use social media to make sales (we're on a business board, right?); I don't waste time with virtue signal masturbation of right-think to get likes from strangers.

It's called being an adult.

[Anonymous No.19332716]

>>19332022
imagine being this delusional

Stanford, USC LA County studies all confirm that this is similar to the flu. jesus christ your denial is amazing

I also love how you fail to mention underlying conditions. 99% hospitalized and 99% of fatalities in NY are persons with underlying conditions. these also drastically reduce how dangerous the virus is for healthy persons

>Currently dead (US): 100k
false. that includes "probable". confirmed is 80k, but i guess you only like using "confirmed" when it suits your bullshit narrative. states continue to adjust their death numbers down

>Confirmed infected (US): 1.7M
false. antibody tests show upwards of 10-20% of the population have had it. thereby drastically increasing your infected rate, and drastically reducing the fatality rate

>Overall Case Fatality Rate: 5.8%
absolutely absurd to say this. not a single person, even fauci would agree with this. its not even close to 1%

stop spouting MSM headlines and look at the data

[Anonymous No.19332731]

>>19331980
this is simply an extension of your logic you idiot

[Anonymous No.19332739]

>>19332478
It's spring so people are getting more sunlight. More sunlight = more vitamin D. There is a reason blacks are getting hit hardest, it's because they can't synthesize as much Vitamin D as whites. Elderly too are known to be deficient in Vitamin D.

[Anonymous No.19332785]

>>19332669
Well neither do I, truth be told. We’re two non-users of social media hoping the other makes a fool of himself on social media.

[Anonymous No.19332821]

>>19332022
how literally stupid are you? are you real? you havent cited a single study or anything, came up with your own conjecture and dismissed the CDC estimate that compiles all the current data at this point

have you even read the Stanford or USC LA County studies? they have been out for weeks now

fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.19332840]

>>19320614
I live a couple hours from here and visit sometimes. The rural Missouri Ozark mountains area is as white as the driven snow. If I were black or middle eastern then I would feel extremely uncomfortable in those small towns.

[Anonymous No.19332869]

>>19332716
You can’t even keep track of the difference between CFR and IFR, maybe you should stop calling others deluded.
The US does not have 10-20% infected, it’s under 5%, and even if we did 20% is nowhere near enough for herd immunity. But it would mean lower fatality, which is why it is a shame that everyone who actually keeps track are now aware of the true IFR if 1.2%

Just look up the Spanish antibody study and do the goddamn math, even you can do it.

[Anonymous No.19332871]

>>19332739
That's one theory, yes.

[Anonymous No.19332912]

>>19332023
this is actually optimal ratio for women. 8x incel for every total Chad like myself.

Sorry not sorry, plebs.

[Anonymous No.19332917]

>>19332821
Yes I have read them and also the credible criticisms showing them to be basically worthless. I stopped following their fate after it became clear they were bunk, but I think I saw one of them has already been retracted.

Google the Spanish anti-body study, it’s the only very credible one so far and it will lead you to an IFR of 1.2%

This is common knowledge outside of coof bro circles.

[Anonymous No.19332941]

>>19332869
>But it would mean lower fatality, which is why it is a shame that everyone who actually keeps track are now aware of the true IFR if 1.2%

Do you understand how implausible it is for the normal flu to have a CFR of 3%, which is similar to Covids CFR, while the flu's IFR is 0.1, and saying Covid's is 1.2%? That's just....so goddamn unlikely it's not even funny. IFR for Covid would be 0.3 MAX.

[Anonymous No.19332980]

>>19332869
youve been completely rekt. you have no argument. you havent even referenced a study but pulling numbers out of your ass and rambling on about CFR or IFR.

go read Stanford, or the USC LA County studies showing way more people have been infected.

we are arguing over literally nothing. this virus only affects people with underlying conditions anyway (this you absolutely cannot deny). majority of people have mild to moderate symptoms (literally the flu) and a large portion are asymptomatic and never knew they had it

the data is out whether you want to read it or not. but go ahead and continue living your life in a made up paranoia about a bad flu season

[Anonymous No.19333032]

>>19332941
But we already have the relevant numbers, CFR is only relevant until we know IFR.
Spain population: 47M
Spain covid death: 27k
Spain antibody prevalence: 5%

27k divided by 5% of 47M = 1.2%

These are facts, regardless how implausible you find the result.
While IFR will be relatively stable world wide, the CFR varies widly from country to country, depending on testing protocols, hospital capacity and policy, population density and other factors, so you can’t draw many conclusions from it or use it to estimate the IFR as you are attempting to do.
You are attempting to use CFR as a sanity check on the 1,2% IFR, but you can’t really do that. IFR can only be derived from death rates over total infected as determined by serology antibody prevalence studies.

[Anonymous No.19333038]

>>19332917
>debunked studies

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v2

https://news.usc.edu/170565/covid-19-antibody-study-coronavirus-infections-los-angeles-county/

[Anonymous No.19333056]

>>19333032
show the stats of underlying conditions

[Anonymous No.19333069]

>>19332731
No, it's a ridiculous extension formulated by an inbred retard.

[Anonymous No.19333078]

>>19332785
Haha. That's just what we do on here. Isn't anonymity fun!? :^)

[Anonymous No.19333104]

>>19321376
That’s a man

[Anonymous No.19333114]

>>19333032
>>19333056
dont worry. ill show the data for you so we can wrap this up right now

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-05172020-1.pdf

of those without underlying conditions only 96 people have died in total

96 FUCKING PEOPLE

96

NINTY SIX

LMAO

96 people out of 15,888

[Anonymous No.19333150]

>>19333069
no you're an idiot. look at the data. imagine being such a scared sheep. grow a spine and have some critical thought

[Anonymous No.19333174]

>>19333114
So you're just going to ignore the 3.2k deaths for unknowns?

[Anonymous No.19333207]

>>19333114
>most of the people who die have an underlying condition
>this somehow makes everything OK.
You're a special kind of retard.

[Anonymous No.19333221]

>>19320252
This is our chance boys with all the chads gone our earning potential is going to be extremely attractive to the single moms who didn't get a chance to go to the lake.

[Anonymous No.19333250]

>>19333174
you cannot just lump unknowns into the analysis, but for the sake of argument. lets remove all the unknowns

so its 96 out of 12,667 or 7% of all deaths are those without underlying conditions

[Anonymous No.19333260]

>>19333207
healthy people have zero reason to stay inside. only the old/sick should quarantine. this is the eventual answer that i had to walk you through to. although you probably will dismiss this also

[Anonymous No.19333275]

>>19333032
>These are facts, regardless how implausible you find the result.

Problem with your thesis is that you're using Average Spain numbers and applying it to the US, which has a very different population spread. 50% of the country lives in 9 states. It's not a 1-1 comparison. Second, if the number was indeed 5%, then it would make zero sense than cases are on the decline everywhere, regardless of lockdown protocol. However, it DOES make sense if the infection rate is around 20%, as the R count is a bit higher than a bad flu season, which usually infects around 10-20% of the US population each year.

[Anonymous No.19333294]

gonna miss you guys when you go out and die

remember this thread when your on a ventilator

[Anonymous No.19333304]

>>19333114
I’m familiar with the New York study, I use its numbers extensively. It states that about 75% of deaths had a known comorbidity, 1% was known not to have comorbidity and for about 24% it was not known if there were any comorbidity present.
It is of course horribly dishonest of you to pretend this reads as “99% were known to have comorbidity”, but coming up with a more honest estimate is very hard, so we end up not knowing, with a range of 75%-99% of deaths having comorbidity. I have never made any claim incompatible with these numbers, in fact all my more sophisticated estimates (not shown in this thread, but I do risk breakdowns on age groups and comorbidity) are based on them. They show the risk of dying from covid for the most at risk, 80+, is around 5-10%

The whole problem people have with greping these numbers is that IFR of 1.2% is great news for the individual, because anyone’s individual risk of dying from covid is very low, but very bad news for society because at the scales implied by the R0 means millions will die although you won’t and even your granny has a 1/10 chance to survive.

[Anonymous No.19333370]

>>19333275
Population density etc will mostly impact R0, not IFR, i.e. how quickly we’ll die not how many will die. Spain and US IFR will be the same, because it’s the same virus, just slightly adjusted for different age distributions (that are pretty similar anyways).

The R0 responding to lockdowns makes complete sense, it would be logistically inexplicable if that didn’t happen. What makes zero sense is to see herd immunity effects before a majority have been infected, and not even the wildest serology reports talk about > 20% infected, so we can forget that theory right away.

[Anonymous No.19333397]

>>19333260
>only the at risk should quarantine
Do you hear yourself?
Do you understand how quarantine works?
Do you have any idea how many people actually have the underlying conditions you're talking about? Do you even know what those underlying conditions are?

Jesus fucking christ, please google Dunning-Kruger and stop posting.

[Anonymous No.19333403]

>>19333304
i literally just posted the most up to date numbers from NYC

crunch the numbers yourself

even if we remove the unknown deaths for sake of argument it is still 93% of deaths had underlying conditions. no idea where you came up with your numbers

source: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-05172020-1.pdf

[Anonymous No.19333407]

>>19333260
This would be true if it worked, and this was indeed the Swedish strategy. They are now rethinking after the evidence indicates their strategy doesn’t work, as clearly seen when comparing to their nordic neighbors, who are now seriously contemplating opening the borders to everyone but Swedes (something not even Swedish unlimited immigration brought to the table).

[Anonymous No.19333443]

>>19333397
yes im very familiar with quarantining maybe you should google the definition you fucking idiot. it has nothing to do with healthy people. if you are at risk or sick, sure you should stay home and quarantine . there is absolutely no point for the healthy to quarantine. all it does it slow herd immunity, which is desperately needed.

quarantining also shows no effect whatsoever with stopping the spread, it simply delays the spread and allows hospitals to catch up. the same amount of people will get infected regardless of a quarantine idiot

[Anonymous No.19333447]

>>19320726
Why water, not sand or snow or an inert gas.
it is just H2O. I don't get the obsession with literally getting wet.

[Anonymous No.19333461]

>>19321139
That's my girlfriend! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.19333473]

>>19320876
all men? wtf. is that a coincidence?

[Anonymous No.19333475]

>>19333397
what do you think we are going to move into individual caves in the desert and magically the virus will disappear because of "quarantining"

[Anonymous No.19333488]

>>19320252
No, 4 people getting the flu is not significant

[Anonymous No.19333490]

>>19333403
You can’t even read your own link?
Take the row for 75+ of age. Divide the 1816 unknown by the 7731 total. What does that give you? That’s right, 24%

[Anonymous No.19333527]

>>19321447
yeah do belgium. look at their current stats. their curve is approaching zero. and look at us.

[Anonymous No.19333545]

>>19333407
swedish strategy cannot work in the usa because everyone is sick and fat

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105753/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden/

[Anonymous No.19333549]

>>19333370
>Spain and US IFR will be the same, because it’s the same virus, just slightly adjusted for different age distributions (that are pretty similar anyways).

No they won't? You can see in that study that you linked that different regions in Spain had wildly different IFR rates. There's zero reason to assume that the US as a whole with have a 5% IFR rate.

>The R0 responding to lockdowns makes complete sense, it would be logistically inexplicable if that didn’t happen. What makes zero sense is to see herd immunity effects before a majority have been infected, and not even the wildest serology reports talk about > 20% infected, so we can forget that theory right away.

You have no proven the R0 responded to lockdowns though. As I said, places without lockdown conditions see cases falling at the same rate as those without lockdown.

Why are you ignoring what happens with the flu? Around 10% of the population gets it, and then it dies off. There are no herd immunity effects with it. If 20% of the population had Corona, then it's fully well in line with what we're observably seeing with cases going down. However, with your theory, it doesn't make sense, and we should not be seeing a dropping off in cases everywhere, lockdown or not.

[Anonymous No.19333556]

>>19333545
Seeing as it doesn’t even work in Sweden, I would have to agree.

[Anonymous No.19333560]

>>19320280
It was fine, stop being such a boring retard

[Anonymous No.19333566]

>>19326551

already forgot about nyc jn march? u-haul trucks filled with corpses?
coming to your home town soon.

[Anonymous No.19333568]

>>19333407
>They are now rethinking after the evidence indicates their strategy doesn’t work

How? They're in line with many other countries out there, their cases are dropping at the same rate as other countries currently, and it's not even the country with the highest deaths per million. That's belgium, one of the earliest enforcers of lockdown.

[Anonymous No.19333589]

priced in

[Anonymous No.19333596]

>>19329571
yeah .6%. and if everyone gets it it is 20 million dead americans in a few months. but muh pool party!

[Anonymous No.19333633]

>>19333490
i removed unknown cases from the calculations and showed underlying diseases accounted for 93% of deaths

idk why you keep rearranging the calculations to fit your narrative

96 out of 12,667 (12571 + 96) or 7% of all deaths are those without underlying conditions. therefore 93% had underlying conditions

[Anonymous No.19333653]

>>19326663
It's funny that ironically niggers are actually too low IQ to fall victim to the midwit's curse

[Anonymous No.19333665]

>>19333545
that sigmoid is so aesthetically beautiful. i bet it can be approximated by 1/(1+e^-x)

[Anonymous No.19333671]

>>19328752
>central banking and molestation of the money supply is capitalism

[Anonymous No.19333702]

>>19333596
>and if everyone gets it it is 20 million dead Americans in a few months

You think 350 million people will get the disease in a few months? Are you stupid? Measles had an R0 of 12 and it infected 4 million per year. By today's number it would infect around 10 million in a year.

[Anonymous No.19333716]

I don't know if I should laugh of cry but these differences of opinions are strictly divided along the party lines. No exceptions! So it is all politics.

[Anonymous No.19333731]

>>19332023
How are we supposed to fix this? I feel like most of the people I see are men and the ones that aren't tend to look like Postal 2 characters

[Anonymous No.19333752]

>>19333549
You are still mixing up CFR (dead per found infected) and IFR (dead per all infected, a number that requires serology to find).
CFR varies wildly and is often in the 5%-10% range. IFR in Spain overall is 1.15% and in the Community of Madrid it is 1.16%, in other words it is enormously stable, and it will be the same in the US.
> declines without lockdowns
Such as? What is a place with serious testing that sees declines despite no lockdowns? Don’t say Sweden, I can tell you all about them, but one pertinent fact about Sweden is that unlike places with better lockdowns, they have plateaud but are not seeing any further decline. Best case they have found linear balance, more likely they have just managed to get R0 down to just enough above 1 to look linear for a little while before it becomes evident it is exponential but slightly slower.

The only theories apart from lockdowns to explain declining curves are summer heat (so far all available evidence indicates it does nothing) and UV light destroying the virus when people spend time in the sun. UV /might/ have some small effect, but any major effects are discouted from the fact that the declines correlate with lockdowns, not increased time in the sun (unless you can link me studies saying otherwise?) which also effectively kills the UV -> vitamin D -> succees theory.

Despite you not liking it, the choice is between lockdowns and millions of dead Americans. This is fact, denying it comes from a place of emotional frustration with accepting the facts.

[Anonymous No.19333769]

its hilarious that Sweden is touted as a worse case scenario and multiple news articles say "Sweden got it wrong" and only 4k people have died in total so far and their curve is slowly coming down

so lets all get this right, Sweden didnt destroy their economy, cause massive unemployment, cause massive bankruptcies, add trillions to their debt, remove a large portion of their GDP, and their curve is so far from what "experts" in the usa would have predicted.

this is an absolute sham.

[Anonymous No.19333770]

>>19333702
i was too lazy to correct but since you replied
it is actually 2 million not 20 lol
speaking of R0 nobody knows the actual R0 for corona plus it is not a fixed value as it keeps changing. the estimates have been all over the place. we don't know anything about this virus, all opinions are just based on political affiliations.

[Anonymous No.19333780]

>>19333716
I am not interested or engaged in partisan politics, mostly enlightened centrist, fwiw

[Anonymous No.19333790]

>>19333716
They are largely, but not completely. I'm a conservative and I was saying how we should shut down the borders back in early Feb before there was a single case here, and was very worried about it. Now, with the new numbers we have and the real-world results, I see it was a slightly deadlier flu, particularly more deadly for old people. My friend, a liberal, was cautious about it at first, and now he's full blown paranoid, won't go to BBQ's, won't visit family, swears at people who don't use masks. Funny enough he's terrified of getting it, yet he's a healthy, strong 33 year old with zero underlying conditions.

He does however watch the news non stop. I'd be retarded if I did the same as well.

[Anonymous No.19333826]

>>19333716
there is absolutely nothing political about my analysis. the country has been shutdown even after data is released showing how weak the virus is and on par for a bad flu season

its actually shocking. if you take a historical comparison of this virus versus others in the last couple hundred years. to think we brought the usa to screeching halt over a bad flu. it is absurd

[Anonymous No.19333829]

The at risk category seems like it's half of the USA's McPopulation.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-at-higher-risk.html

[Anonymous No.19333864]

>>19333829
its so sad what the usa has become. a nation of fat sick people.

[Anonymous No.19333885]

>>19333568
Because they have started to do serology testing and are discovering their IFR actually seems /higher/ than 1.2%, despite not having a significantly older or sicker population than Spain. The reason is that they have had over representation of infections in elderly cares, meaning unproportionally many have died in Sweden. This despite their whole strategy being to isolate the elderly and let the rest of society just use common sense to social distancing. Well guess what, that approach doesn’t work at all, the end result is more elderly catching the virus and dying.

[Anonymous No.19333890]

no one is even mentioning the historical context of this virus and quarantine versus other viruses in the past where there was no quarantine. just wait until the historical analysis starts

there is literally not a single smart person in our government. its the blind leading the blind

[Anonymous No.19333906]

>>19333790
>watch the news non stop
this almost happened to me. i know it can fuck you up real bad. now my only source of the news is the onion.

[Anonymous No.19333938]

>>19333769
Swedish economy is contracting at the same rate as their neighbors but they have 10x the deaths.

So lets get this right, Sweden has a destroyed economy AND a magnitude more deaths than contries that did lockdowns right, and this is the course you recommend?

[Anonymous No.19333988]

>>19333938
>Sweden has a destroyed economy

Sweden does not have a destroyed economy. this is a complete fabrication. and you have arbitrarily claimed this to make your argument work. they did not shutdown all their businesses, they do not have massive unemployment, they do not have massive bankruptcy or debt issuance, they did not crush their GDP, etc

[Anonymous No.19334006]

>>19333752
>You are still mixing up CFR (dead per found infected) and IFR (dead per all infected, a number that requires serology to find).
CFR varies wildly and is often in the 5%-10% range. IFR in Spain overall is 1.15% and in the Community of Madrid it is 1.16%, in other words it is enormously stable, and it will be the same in the US.

No sorry, I wasn't mixing it up, the 5% I was saying was the infection rate from the antibody tests, not the IFR, my bad.

>Such as? What is a place with serious testing that sees declines despite no lockdowns? Don’t say Sweden, I can tell you all about them, but one pertinent fact about Sweden is that unlike places with better lockdowns, they have plateaud but are not seeing any further decline.

Georgia ended their lockdown on April 23rd, and they've had declining cases. Japan never had a lockdown, and they have declining cases. Sweden never had a lockdown, and they have declining cases.

>they have plateaud but are not seeing any further decline

Except they shouldn't have plateaud either. And they are seeing a decline now, it looks like they had a higher peak, that's it.

>they have found linear balance, more likely they have just managed to get R0 down to just enough above 1 to look linear for a little while

Do you throw around reasoning without any proof all the time? Give me evidence of your theory. Tell me what policies they instituted within the last few weeks to get the R0 down to just above 1 that werent there before.

>The only theories apart from lockdowns to explain declining curves are summer heat

The theory that a very large % of the population got Corona already is a valid explanation and is backed up by atleast a few studies.

>but any major effects are discouted from the fact that the declines correlate with lockdowns

Again, they don't. They correlate far more with what happens in your typical flu season every year. Your reasoning isn't based off real observations.

[Anonymous No.19334015]

>>19333829
everyone in the usa is bitching about only people with preexisting conditions get really sick yet half of the US has a preexisting condition. living in the deep south and watching the cognitive dissonance unfold has been incredible.

[Anonymous No.19334017]

>>19320252
based, healthy people going out and catching covid so that we can achieve herd-immunity faster is ideal and what we should have done originally after we figured out it would be impossible to contain

[Anonymous No.19334024]

>>19333938
how many people are going to die from the coming economic collapse? we havent even felt the full effects yet. what do you do when COVID-19 unemployment insurance ends? there will be no small business to hire these folks. there will be no jobs. and all this at what price? for the sake of a few sick fat people?

[Anonymous No.19334036]

>>19333250
You really can’t math.
In 75% of the deaths there was a known comorbidity. That’s what the numbers you linked (and I use in all my calculations) state. 1% were known to have no comorbidity and for 24% of deaths comorbidity status was unknown. Exactly as I stated from the start and you attempted to debunk by linking the study I took my numbers from.

Please refrain from sharing your insights until you understand the most basic of maths.

[Anonymous No.19334091]

>>19320344

Based Sluder poster

[Anonymous No.19334094]

>>19334036
>In 75% of the deaths there was a known comorbidity.

that is not correct. that is one side of the range. you are discretely choosing to ignore the other side of it.

i cant do math? your arbitrarily picking when to use the unknown data! you cannot simply decide to use it in one case and ignore it for the other

if you were to use the unknown data you would have to include it both ways and provide a range.

but again, i dont know how to do math apparently

[Anonymous No.19334141]

>>19333938
What the fuck are you talking about? Swedens economy pre corona and post corona is not even fucking comparable to how bad other countries are with lockdown.

Belgium
Spain
United Kingdom
Italy
France

are all countries that instituted lockdown which have a higher ratio of death compared to Sweden.

[Anonymous No.19334264]

>>19334006
> I meant 5% antibodies
Ah ok I see. In that case, yes the % varies wildly, but try dividing the number of deaths in a region by the antibody % of the population in the same region - every time you end up with IFR around 1.16%! It’s a statistical certainty at this point. I’m really encouraging you to do the exercise, it’s eye opening.

> Georgia, Japan, Sweden
I haven’t looked at Georgia, is it sparsely populated? That drives down R0. R0 is mostly a function of population density.
Japan, they didn’t need lockdowns to do better social distancing than anyone, they understand the problem, everyone is wearing masks and their culture is not all about entering people’s personal space. I should really say that social distancing is the key, not lockdowns, Japan clearly demonstrates that if the population is smart enough to do social distancing on their own, lockdowns aren’t needed. Unfortunately, that dies not apply to the US and...
> Sweden
I’m not making it up, their death graph is linear and has been for many weeks. The change they made was that journalist finally caved and stopped pretending that things were fine, reporting that Sweden was suddenly in the world lead in covid deaths per capita sobered up the Swedes that are getting a little more serious about social distancing than before, despite their lying government still claiming all is fine.
To give you an idea, the other nordic countries are now talking about opening their borders to everyone but Swedes. Tegnell, the Swedish chief epidemiologist, counters by saying “they Should do the opposite, Swedes are safer than other tourists because we have more herd immunity!” He says this just as a new antibody study shows 7% of people in Stockholm (the hardest hit region) jave been infected. It’s eastern-europe-during-communism-tier.

[Anonymous No.19334279]

>>19320252
Dr.Faggot here.

Yes it will. People don't know it yet but they are heading for peak number 2 within the next 1.5 months. Where I live, in South Florida, we are just now hitting the peak and I have had several patients die from COVID-19 in the past week, and yet we are opening up as if everything is fine. This will have catastrophic results. Hundreds of thousands will die and nothing can stop that from happening but even more will die because of the failure to react properly in a crisis. Expect to see the highest numbers coming from California and Florida with most of the deaths coming from 50-60 year olds and an unusually high number of 20 somethings.

Things are about to get very interesting!

[Anonymous No.19334345]

>>19334141
They are all more densly populated, giving a higher R0 and a faster death toll. But unlike Sweden they do real lockdowns and so by now their deaths per capita is lower than Sweden’s.
You have to compare the Swedish economy to those of its nordic neighbors for something close to apples and apples, comparing the Swedish apple to the UK orange doesn’t make sense. The truth is Sweden hasn’t been able to avoid economic contraction like their neighbors because in an international economy, all their customers are on lockdown. So avoiding lockdowns doesn’t help your economy unless everyone is doing it, and if only you are doing it you will turn into a pariah ruining the effectiveness of social distancing for your neighbors, as in Swedes not being wellcome as tourists in a growing list of European countries this summer.

[Anonymous No.19334401]

>>19333443
>it has nothing to do with healthy people
Explain to me how you can distinguish the healthy from the unhealthy during the asymptomatic viral shedding phase.

Also, yes, quarantine absolutely has to do with healthy people. Again, you don't understand the term or its purpose. Please look into the issue more.
>if you are at risk or sick, sure you should stay home and quarantine
This is the logic of a child.
So people with diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, HIV, respiratory impairment, etc. should be quarantined, along with anyone who comes into direct contact with those persons. OK so literally everyone again, great, you've solved nothing.
>quarantining also shows no effect whatsoever with stopping the spread
>it simply delays the spread and allows hospitals to catch up
So quarantining does nothing except for the things that it does. Thanks for proving you're a fool.

Do you ever sit for a minute and think about your opinions after you've heard contrary argument or evidence, or are you so wed to them that they become tied to your personal worth and you'll argue them regardless of reality or your own logical inconsistencies?
.

[Anonymous No.19334470]

>>19333633
You have showed two things:
1) the ratio of known non-comorbidity deaths vs known non-comorbidity deaths plus known comorbidity deaths (a retedred number to present, my number would be called the comorbidity fatality rate, yours doesn’t have a name because it’s so retarded nobody would even make the calculation) pretending this allows you to ignore the 24% for whom comorbidity status is unknown, and
2) you can’t math

Joking aside, your math is toddler-tier and most 8 year olds could show you your mistake. Just ask any trusted friend who actually knows math and you’ll see. You really should feel bad about all this.

[Anonymous No.19334479]

>>19334279
I'm in an adjacent field in CA, and explaining this is absolute torture. The concept of exponential growth confuses people. You tell them it's dangerous and spreading and they go
>Yeah but number is smol now
I don't even know what to do anymore other than hang on for the ride and arrange my portfolio, there isn't enough time to teach people with so much misinformation flying around from each person's personal media bubble.

[Anonymous No.19334495]

>>19334094
Omfg I did include the unknown in all calculations, and I did provide a range: 75%-99% of covid deaths have comorbidity, just go back and read and try to get it through into your think head that no, you really can’t math.

[Anonymous No.19334525]

>>19320252
Good
Let freedom ring.

[Anonymous No.19334553]

>>19333566
>just two more weeks, bro

[Anonymous No.19334637]

>>19334024
Yeah, that’s unfortunate, but don’t worry, according to the geniuses o /biz/, stonks can only go up.
I’m not saying “you have to do lockdowns to save lives”, I’m a logician not a politician. All I’m stating is the math tells you that you have a terrible choice ahead of you: try to save the economy at the expense of a few million lives or sacrifice the economy to try and save a few million lives. If you could show that the latter would also lead to millions lives lost the choice would be a no-brainer, but you can’t. Instead, the data indicates that trying to save the economy leads to a wrecked evonomy AND millions of losts lives. To me, that makes it a no-brainer, but the choice is yours.

[Anonymous No.19334684]

I hope all these boomer mutts die. I hate mutts with a passion.

[Anonymous No.19334805]

Honestly wiping out everyone over 70 is the only way to free up social security, Medicare, and pension systems so we can stop importing third worlders to keep the economy humming.

Kill the boomers, further automate production, and have an all white Utopia.

[Anonymous No.19334877]

>>19321282

>the successful countries all happen to be islands or monocultural high-trust asian/northern european nations

[Anonymous No.19334972]

>>19320252
It absolutely will. We'll get a second wave before fall because people have the need to party with literal retards. States will need to shut down again sooner.

[Anonymous No.19334976]

>>19320252
RIP all those obese who gonna die from bat flu, made in china.


btw. how do i profit from this?

[Anonymous No.19335016]

>>19334805
Yes, unfortunately birth rates have kept declining ever since boomers so once we’re 70 we’ll need culling too. Fortunately SARS2 looks like it’s going endemic so I guess it will be a yearly cull from now on, like the flu but x50.

[Anonymous No.19335067]

>>19334805

White Utopia?

Lol. Boomers are the last of the whites if anything. Yooung thots are doing what is socially right and breeding with pajeets, beamers,and blacks

Seriously. It's all over boyo

[Anonymous No.19335106]

>>19335016
If it's endemic then the lockdown was, by your own admission, was pointless.

[Anonymous No.19335291]

>>19335106
> then you admit lockdowns were pointless, if it’s endemic
Maybe. That’s the line of thought Sweden has operated on, but they are losing proponents for this line quickly.
At the beginning of the pandemic Evergreen Health published a web page where they asserted SARS2 was already endemic, and that this was consistent with CDC facts. Then that page disappeared without a trace.
Yes, if it goes endemic lockdowns are pretty pointless, but then so is hoping that herd immunity will save us and the evonomy.
So lockdowns may help, may not, but if they don’t we’re truly fucked (which might well be the case)

[Anonymous No.19335307]

>>19335016
What if there is a new generation of kids born out of couples fuggin during lockdown?
What will we call these babies?

[Anonymous No.19335387]

>>19334877
greece, austria, croatia, jordan, luxembourg, slovenia, slovakia, lebanon

[Anonymous No.19335443]

>>19335307
Downies?

[Anonymous No.19335459]

>>19335307
Accidents.

[Anonymous No.19335475]

>>19335016
so literally everyone over 70 is going to die? thats what this pandemic does in your opinion?
>x50.
so is it x50 or literally everyone or 0.6 which is x5 compared to the common flu, or maybe even less
>endemic
yeah influenza became the endemic known as common flu. so?

[Anonymous No.19335509]

>>19321282
So what does "success" mean? That 99.99% of their populations are still vulnerable until the next wave?

[Anonymous No.19335527]

>>19335475
> so everyone over 70 dies?
> no, about 5% of over 75 will die

> endemic, hah, so is the flu
Covid has a 10x kill rate and spreads 3-5x faster, so there will be 30x-50x the yearly flu deaths in yearly covid deaths.

[Anonymous No.19335678]

>>19335527
>no, about 5% of over 75 will die
in a year?
which is what typically happens even without corona, right?
i'd say 100% of over 75 die within 10 years.

>>19335527
>10x kill rate
you missed my point. the spanish flu had a high kill rate as well until it mutated into a milder form known as common flu. that happens with all viruses.
and we don;t even know the current kill rate. the estimates are all over the place from 0.1 to 1%

>spreads 3-5x faster,
if you do nothing. but some form of social distancing for those in the high risk group may well become the norm in the future. not a total lockdown, but just some common sense precautions would be enough to reduce Ro to the common flu levels

[Anonymous No.19335681]

It's funny reading about how people think the quarantining is all bullshit/govt psyop/blah blah blah and saying "what, are we just gonna stay in lockdown until we find a vaccine? it doesn't make sense" when, here in NZ, we are almost completely out of quarantine and are able to walk the city freely with no masks/constant hand sanitiser, with all stores opened up again and able to have gatherings of up to 100 people (recently only up to 10 last week). It's not a scenario as stupid as "oh what? we'll be locked up until there's a vaccine? that'll be forever" because it just literally takes 2 months MAX with the peoples' cooperation to get rid of it and get things back to normal. Biggest problem with america is "people's cooperation" so no wonder y'all are getting fucked and are going to be fucked for at least another year due to your population's straight retardedness. fucking lmao. meanwhile we're hosting parties, able to freely travel domestically, go to any store as theyre all open again. give it another week or 2 and things will be completely back to normal here. Best part is the borders will stay closed so we can enjoy the fruits of our labour(cooperation) and you fuckers can't join. feelsgoodman

[Anonymous No.19335751]

>>19335681
You are an exception. You are a tiny island. So you *might* be OK as long as there is literally zero chance for it to re-emerge. Because you have zero level of immunity. And that applies to most other "successful" countries. So they flattened the curve. Now what? The second wave is inevitable as none of them have herd immunity.

[Anonymous No.19335801]

>>19335678
> it will become mild through mutations
Yes, this is almost certainly correct, we can expect natural selection to prefer mutants with higher R0 and lower IFR.
This is the only light I personally see in this tunnel, unfortunately it will probably take years or even decades.

[Anonymous No.19335883]

>>19335291
>So lockdowns may help, may not, but if they don’t we’re truly fucked (which might well be the case

Well the fact that the numbers are dropping everywhere at a similar rate, with lockdown, without lockdown, increasing restrictions, or easing restrictions, should be painting a picture that it's not a threat like you think it is.

[Anonymous No.19335900]

>>19335751
Yes I agree it does have a big impact that we are a small nation and can more effectively follow the guidelines/principle. However, the principle is the same, and if other countries had taken action as soon as we did and as extreme as we did initially, then they could be in much better scenarios. The biggest downfall of most countries is the lack of closing down borders soon enough and the citizens' compliance

[Anonymous No.19335964]

>>19335291
>At the beginning of the pandemic Evergreen Health published a web page where they asserted SARS2 was already endemic, and that this was consistent with CDC facts. Then that page disappeared without a trace.
I remembered that shit going down. I think within an hour, they made three changes to that page. I managed to archive it locally, made sure the wayback machine had it, and archive.is had it. It's still up on: https://web.archive.org/web/20200307045241/https://www.evergreenhealth.com/coronavirus

[Anonymous No.19335991]

>>19335964
You are a fucking hero. I screencapped it too, but didn’t think to loop in the archives and wayback machine. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.19336255]

>>19335883
Well, taking it from your perspective, that would mean rates are declining in a similar way regardless of exposure (wildly different death rates per capita would have to imply different infection rates) which means the decline can’t be due to herd immunity (how could a pop with half the infections have the same level of herd immunity as a pop with twice the rate?).
And since it’s the same regardless of temperature getting hotter or colder (hemispheres) it also can’t be due to summer.
The only thing that is consistent everywhere is social distancing, which has been a big factor also for the half of the planet not under direct lockdown.
But we will soon know who is right. If numbers stay down when we reopen, you were right, if they go up again I was right.