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[Anonymous No.18985223]

40% of US workers don't earn a living wage. that means 40% of the population is dependent on
>family
>friends
>or the government

to keep a roof over their head. I feel like something is wrong here. Why are we fostering a nation of dependents? What's going to happen a generation from now? is there going to be 3 generations living in one house?

[Anonymous No.18985714]

>>18985223
Entitled millenials need to pull themselves up by their boot straps

[Anonymous No.18985790]

>>18985714
True. Back in my boomer days we worked hard on minimum wage. Hard work for 5 years to even afford a house at full cost. Millennials are just snowflakes who get "triggered" and want something stupid like "socialism" or "UBI". Maybe stop buying iPhone's every year and going to Starbucks the maybe you'll afford a house.

[Anonymous No.18986084]

>>18985714
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.18986097]

>>18985223
>is there going to be 3 generations living in one house
That's already the case for many

[Anonymous No.18986131]

>>18985223
It never lasts forever. Something will eventually give.

[Anonymous No.18986145]

other cultures already do this
why don't white people do it?
and also insist on trying to live by themselves in the highest cost of living areas with nothing but an arts degree?

[Anonymous No.18986191]

>>18985223
Things that can’t go on forever don’t. Think of UBI as guillotine insurance.

[Anonymous No.18986265]

>>18986191

[Anonymous No.18986270]

>>18986145
This. It's just that Whites are basically niggers now & need to accept that fact. Live 3 generations in a house, as cheap as possible, get gibs etc.

[Anonymous No.18986293]

>>18985223
Jews did this. They hate us and want us miserable

[Anonymous No.18986786]

How can we go back? ubi? kick out the mexicans? kill the corps? hmmmm

[Anonymous No.18986807]

>>18986786
White flight from the cities back to small towns. It happened before and it will happen again.

[Anonymous No.18986827]

>>18986270
whites need to be more like pajeets and buy gas stations and live 4 generations deep or whatever they do

[Anonymous No.18987067]

>>18986097
>Not taking the intergenerationalhousehold pill

[Anonymous No.18987175]

I don't want to live with my parents and kids. living with your parents during most of your adult life is fucked up, how the fuck do brown people do it?

[Anonymous No.18987189]

>>18985223
>>18985714
>>18985790
>Globalization outsources almost every job to cheaper 3rd world nations
>Real Wages collapses in growth compared to GDP
>Return on capital begins to grossly outperform return on labor leading to larger and larger financial gains to return back to the richest
>The brightest minds on 4Chan make a thread where they blame niggers and millennials for a trend that started while they were still in their dad's nutsack.

I'm always surprised when people notice something is definitely wrong, but refuse to do anything other than surface level research and decide to blame niggers and iPhones.

Yes, iPhones are the reason why wages began to collapse in the 90s. If only Steve Jobs hadn't used his iPhone to time travel back to the 90s and stifle growth of middle America.

[Anonymous No.18987223]

This shit doesn’t make sense to me.
I’ve been living on my own since I was 19. Working minimum wage $7.25 I had an apt and food and my bills paid, plus I got to splurge here and there on dumb shit. If you can pay your bills and you are alive, it is a livable wage.

[Anonymous No.18987224]

>>18987175
Their family units aren't ruined by decades of feminism. Americans are the new niggers with their dysfunctional families.

[Anonymous No.18987228]

>>18985790
>>18987189
It's also funny how people who are obviously poor consider iPhones and Starbucks luxury goods. Let says you spent $10/day at Starbucks from the time you were born. That means you would have spend $36,000 on Starbucks.

Where do they sell houses that cost 36k bro? You sound insane.

[5.45 !!K3nua06qYkB No.18987232]

>I feel like something is wrong here
There is
Look up the 1965 immigration act and notice how women/immigrants entering the work force destroyed wage growth

Who pushed for these things, as well as dismantling the nuclear family?

Hmm I wonder....

[Anonymous No.18987266]

>>18987223
You live on your own on $900/mo? Where do you live? This sounds like LARP.

[Anonymous No.18987273]

>>18987228
Took 10 seconds to find this

[Anonymous No.18987290]

>>18987189
>>18987189
>>18987189
I read this and now I'm scared what do I do?

[Anonymous No.18987307]

>>18987223
bull shit. what state are you in? how much is your rent? no way your paying the average rent, someone must have cut you a deal

[Anonymous No.18987312]

>>18987266
Arkansas. That was 4 years ago but I make $3000 a month now and rent a house for $600 a month

[Anonymous No.18987357]

>>18987273
based but it probably costs another 20k to renovate

[Anonymous No.18987387]

>>18987312
okay but what was your rent when you were making minimum wage? something tells me someone cut you a deal anon. did aunt sarah let you live in her spare bedroom for $200 a month?

[Anonymous No.18987435]

>>18987387
It was actually $800 a month all utilities paid. I worked a lot of overtime at my shitty ass restaurant job and did side jobs doing flooring. Google houses for rent in Arkansas. There are some for $400

[Anonymous No.18987483]

>>18987387
>>18987435
Limp-wristed city faggots love to cry about “livable wages”, then when they find affordable living they cry “flyover state”

[Anonymous No.18987509]

>>18987435
So you utilities were included and you worked two jobs, one of which gave you overtime.

That doesn't sound like making it on minimum wage to me anon. sounds like you got lucky with a sweet deal on an apartment, got lucky enough to get overtime, probably tips too since it was a restaurant and you did side job working a trade

you were far from minimum wage and you had your utilities paid for. you definitely can't make it on $7.25 alone, no one can, so why are you so confused when others cant? because you had more money?? i don't get it, you didn't make minimum wage

[Anonymous No.18987520]

>>18986786

There is no going back. Marx was right, capitalism leads to Socialism because Socialism is capitalism's end-game result.

We will get UBI or we become a poverty stricken banana-republic.

[Anonymous No.18987527]

>>18987435
Are there lots of blacks in that area?

[Anonymous No.18987554]

>>18987483
arizona is based. $11 minimum with $400 rents? what the fuck, is it because its hot or something? i think im moving to arizona

[Anonymous No.18987590]

>>18987554
>AR
>Arizona
OH NONONONO

[Anonymous No.18987602]

>>18987590
fuck me, i tried deleting the post. THIS IS IT BOYS, I MADE A MISTAKE ON 4CHAN

[Anonymous No.18987610]

>>18987509
Nigger I got no tips. I made maybe an extra hundred dollars a week doing carpet and I spent it on drugs and alcohol. I didn’t “get lucky” finding a place to rent, it was actually one of the more expensive apartments in my area. If you have enough for bills and top ramen, you make a livable wage.

[Anonymous No.18987631]

>>18985223
>below living wage
>still enough for the latest iphone, cigarettes, brand name snacks

You should only get government assistance if you are literally starving.

[Anonymous No.18987638]

>>18985223
>40% of US workers don't earn a living wage.
You mean the government constantly redefines poor so that 40% of people are classed as poor at any given moment.

[Anonymous No.18987654]

>>18987527
Not as many niggers or spics as when I lived in California. Also there are zero homeless people because it’s just too easy to get a job and everything is so cheap.

[Anonymous No.18987666]

>>18987312
Not possible in california

[Anonymous No.18987669]

>>18987638
no, it means 40% of the population can't afford to live independently even though they have jobs

[Anonymous No.18987679]

>>18985223
Mutts dont help family and friends

[Anonymous No.18987697]

>>18987638
If the government used honest figures, at least 70% of americans would be classed as poor

[Anonymous No.18987699]

>>18987666
I know. I lived in California for 19 years. I moved because it is impossible to live there unless you live with mommy and daddy or you are a nigger on welfare.

[Anonymous No.18987719]

>>18987610
If you didn't get overtime, and you had to pay your utilities you wouldn't be able to make it on minimum wage.

Most people dont have the luxury of renting an apartment with utilities included, let alone overtime

[Anonymous No.18987722]

>>18985223
If about half the country is dependent can’t live off of their wages, then clearly the system is not working and it’s not something we can fix on an individual basis

[Anonymous No.18987768]

What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.18987773]

Our politicians are such out of touch elitists that they barely see that anything is wrong right now. Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell are absolutely horrid for America.

[Anonymous No.18987778]

>>18987273
Literally says foreclose. It goes to auction next to be sold. Highest bidder. Cash only.

[Anonymous No.18987779]

>>18987175

Brown people can do it because they have very poor personal boundaries with their families, and they are family relationship ls are very codependent. It's a very unhealthy way to live, both mentally and emotionally.

Do not envy their lifestyle. It is psychologically fucked.

[Anonymous No.18987790]

>>18987699
Thats nice, but its not possible to move away from mommy if youre aspie like me

[Anonymous No.18987808]

>>18987779
Delete this

[Anonymous No.18987815]

>>18986270
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.18987855]

>>18987719
Let me spell it out for you
I could have got a different apartment for $400. I could have got a house for $400 and even a roommate to split rent.
>rent 200-400
>utilities 100-200
>food 100-300
I rode a bike, skateboard, taxi, walked, hitched a ride everyday
Luxuries to me were:
>phone $25
>taxi if it rained $10
>alcohol
>drugs
>paint and art supplies
Living on $7.25 is possible and I know it because I did it and millions of other people did it too

[Anonymous No.18987856]

>>18986145
Because we can still fix this issue without having to resort to government subsistence. Its a very clear cut agenda with complex solutions:

1. Increase the value of the dollar. We can do this in all kinds of ways, but the most common is by backing the dollar with something. I dont really recommend the gold standard but something like copper or silver may be a good alternative. Or perhaps a unit of energy; 1 dollar = 1kW of power.
2. Eliminate "waste jobs". Waste jobs are any worthless jobs that society can realistically live without, such as fast food workers, factory line workers, etc. Automating these jobs opens up fields of maintenance and programming jobs to optimize and repair automation machines.
3. Perhaps the most important, government subsidized share cropping. As many farmers get older, they look to cash out and sell their farms. They can either choose to sell to a younger farmer, a farm conglomerate, or the government. The government can then rent the land out to sharecroppers with public use machinery, allowing urbanites to get their foot in the door for rural living, reducing overcrowding issues. The crops grown can then be either sold to companies or be stockpiled for the purpose of food stamp/EBT purchase. Food stamps will no longer be allowed for use on private goods, and food stamps will also be given nationwide

[Anonymous No.18987857]

>>18987779
but maybe they have poor personal boundaries BECAUSE they've been forced to live together for generations

[Anonymous No.18987902]

>>18985223
Are they alive? Then, they earn a living wage, retard. Just because they can’t afford a new iphone ever year and fiber internet and a new vehicle doesn’t mean they don’t earn a “living wage”, contrary to what Politico tells you.

[Anonymous No.18987948]

>>18987902
That's not what living wage means. Living wage means earning enough to pay bills and buy food without depending on someone else.

[Anonymous No.18987972]

>>18987855
>even a roommate to split rent.
no anon, we're talking about living independently, on minimum wage, with no other help. I have no doubt there's a million minimum wagers moved out of mom and dads house, but they most assuredly are dependent on someone else, whether that be a roommate, significant other, the government, or the kindness of a landlord

Your situation is different because you had major expenses paid for. no utilities, no car, and you got a little bit of overtime. I'm not saying you didn't go to bed hungry, but I am saying your situation is the exception, rather than the rule. Nobody can live independently on $7.25 an hour, 40 hours a week, without external help. You were lucky to have had a roof over your head. You were lucky to have the luxury of your utilities paid for, you were lucky you lived close enough to work walk/bike, and you were lucky to get overtime

most people aren't lucky

[Anonymous No.18987979]

>>18987228
You forgot a digit there unless you’re 10 years old

[Anonymous No.18988006]

>>18987948

Don't worry, the middle-class won't exist anymore for the most part anymore. The government is just letting it happen while bailing out big investors.

It's just lower class and upper class now.

[Anonymous No.18988010]

>>18987902
you can't just change the definition of living wage anon, jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.18988055]

>>18987948
Maybe they shouldn’t be working at a fucking McDonalds then lmao. At least they have the food covered though

[Anonymous No.18988091]

>>18987972
Your ID is PLOP because it is noise shit makes when it falls out of your mouth. I didn’t always have a side job. I didn’t always have overtime. I never had a roommate. I paid twice as much for my apt than others in the area. I could have lived on $7.25 without any of the variables mentioned and I did half the time. I’m not “lucky” because I rode a bike 7 miles a day, I did it because I had to do it. I mentioned the variables like side jobs, overtime, roommate because those are the steps it takes to make more money and struggle less. It is a struggle to live on minimum wage but it is possible. Minimum wage is even higher so there are no excuses.

[Anonymous No.18988125]

>>18985223

I’m 36. I’m moving back in with my parents with my wife and son in a few months. I guess we are already here.

[Anonymous No.18988147]

>>18987857

They are only "forced" to live together if they keep creating new generations when they don't have the ability to live separately.

[Anonymous No.18988160]

>>18988091
alright tell me your expenses and what you typically netted a month, because it feels like your numbers don't add up

7.25 an hour is a net of about $925 a month. With an $800 rent how are you living?

[Anonymous No.18988204]

>>18988055
>40% of jobs are shitty jobs that barely pay anything
You don't see a problem with this?

[Anonymous No.18988222]

>>18988091
>It is a struggle to live on minimum wage
Why is that a good thing though? It didn't use to be this way.

[Anonymous No.18988264]

>>18988091
>Your ID is PLOP because it is noise shit makes when it falls out of your mouth.

Oh god my sides

[Anonymous No.18988304]

>>18987228
Alright but on the flip side, consider that most Americans would consider $36,000 to be life-changing money.

[Anonymous No.18988309]

>>18988204
No. If someone is stuck in a job like that, they deserve it. They can go work construction or something that pays well, but they won’t because they’d rather complain and suck big daddy government’s dick than to put in actual hard work. I make $100k/yr without a degree, it’s literally easy as shit to find a good paying job. I hire retards all the time at $17/hr starting pay.

[Anonymous No.18988315]

>>18986097
This
Baby Boomer. Early Millenial, Gen Z
When they die I get a comfy house all to myself.

[Anonymous No.18988339]

>>18988304
>less than half of my salary is considered life changing money
I always feel like I’m not doing that impressively in life until I remember stuff like this.

[Anonymous No.18988372]

>>18988309
>40% of the work force SHOULD be our slaves!
Nice try Mr. Goldstein.

[Anonymous No.18988386]

>>18985223
Its hilarious how the system takes away the means of production from people. In the name of efficient allocation of capitol

Then people like OP wonder why no one makes good money.

[Anonymous No.18988393]

>>18988309
What state do you live in? What job pays retards $17 an hour starting? construction? because around here you have to have experience if you want a construction job, no experience you get to making close to minimum doing gofer work and getting shit on by 60 year old boomers

[Anonymous No.18988406]

>>18988309
You do realize if you flood an industry like construction with labor you drive down the price of construction labor theoretically right?

>lmao just have 100,000 out of work miners lrn 2 code java script

[Anonymous No.18988410]

>>18988091
Fuck right off. We get it. It's possible if you live to work, rent In bumfuck ghetto of Arkansas where your place will get broken into within the 1st month, and survive off shit tier canned foods and can sometimes manage to save for a joint here and there. That's surviving a pointless life of never ending work to pay bills or die. I think the people in this thread are saying that isn't right.

The lowest tier worker should still be able to be comfy in his shit tier apartment after paying rent. Especially when you compare certain inherited positions earn the office monkey over a hundred k a year for making some calls and emailing people.

[Anonymous No.18988419]

>>18987602
>>18987554

HAHAHA GAY RETARD GAY RETARD

[Anonymous No.18988420]

>>18985714

[Anonymous No.18988424]

the modern economy is a fucking scam. a jewish sham. get everything you can and stop complaining about what you cant change. be as cutthroat and conniving as possible and cheat your way into eking out an existence. fuck everyone and everything else that isnt close to you

[Anonymous No.18988428]

>>18987768
boomers preach "hard days work" and "pulling yourself up by your boostraps" and "living with in your means" because if you actually did any of those things in the 50's 60's and 70's you could make it no matter your job or education. just as long as you worked hard you would get a nice pension, a nice raise, and nice health insurance

I would KILL for a pension. I would KILL for a health insurance plan that didn't have a 3k deductible.

[Anonymous No.18988429]

>>18988393
Texas. Super low cost of living town of under 50,000. Industrial/refinery industry, I was just using construction as an example.

[Anonymous No.18988481]

>>18988429
damn dude, $17 an hour in fucking texas for an entry level job? fucking fly me out there right now, I'll do it for $15.

what is the actual job? can you give me a description.

[Anonymous No.18988493]

>>18987856
All commercially viable farming now is big ag. No real farmers are out walking in the fields, they have huge machinery that's programmed and run by a single person. The days of everybody having a farm and bartering crops at the local market are long fucking gone.

[Anonymous No.18988515]

>>18988393
>>18988429
Also, making shit money and doing shit work is how you start a career. I’m only 30, so not a fucking boomer, and when I started with this company I made $11/hr in a major city and survived. I worked my way up to where I am now by not bitching about everything and actually working hard. I know the lefty faggots on this board will shit on me or call me a liar, but I couldn’t care less what bitcoin losers think.

[Anonymous No.18988555]

>>18988515
thats cool, I worked at the same company for 5 years and when I asked for a raise they shit canned me. they dissolved my full-time position into two part-time positions, overwork younger kids, and don't have to pay them benefits

I wasted my time making shit money and doing shit work. it never paid off. The experience I have now can only take me so far. I would have been better off dicking off in construction.

working hard does not guarantee a career anon, what are you even talking about

[Anonymous No.18988578]

>>18988429
>>18988481
>>18988515

What is this $17 an hour entry-level position for retards that you speak of? I'm starting to think it doesn't exist. be specific

[Anonymous No.18988638]

>>18985223

The sooner we decide to eat the rich, the better off the world will be.

[Anonymous No.18988656]

>>18987610
But you had to have multiple wages to live.... and you talk like it's normal to have to work 50+ hours a week just to be poor. Boomers worked 1 job and had a house in less than 10 years. Impossible today.

[Anonymous No.18988666]

>>18985223
Slavery like in the ancient Greece.

[Anonymous No.18988687]

>>18987855
>taxi
How long ago was this? 20-30 years? Things have changed....

[Anonymous No.18988694]

>>18987779
This is very true. they live like pack sardines inside apartments usually 10 to 15 adults and children all mix,and no I'm not exaggerating I seen it my self it's sad and disgusting, is ashame to what is currently happening to the U.S is legit turning to a third world shit hole.

[Anonymous No.18988720]

>>18988638
You are a damn fool. There are not enough rich to go around. The system is much bigger than your little pea brain can grasp.

[Anonymous No.18988733]

>>18986145
Walk around naked, fuck girls, etc. Shit you wouldn't understand.

[Anonymous No.18988774]

>>18987189
It's literally all government policy's and money printing. Niggers are just insult to injury.

[Anonymous No.18988798]

>>18987232
Based

[Anonymous No.18988802]

>>18988720
>You are a damn fool. There are not enough rich to go around.

Yes there are. Why do you think people are constantly talking about the '1%'?

[Anonymous No.18988852]

>>18987520
>We will get UBI or we become a poverty stricken banana-republic.
UBI will ensure our poverty-strickeness.

[Anonymous No.18988867]

>>18987631
And even then no

[Anonymous No.18988880]

>>18987669
>implying even 40% of the population works

[Anonymous No.18988900]

>>18987768
It means with Jews you lose.

[Anonymous No.18988956]

>>18988091
>PLOP

[Anonymous No.18988968]

>>18988428
>I would KILL for a health insurance plan that didn't have a 3k deductible

Thanks Obama

[Anonymous No.18989003]

>>18988852
>>18988867
>>18988880
>>18988956

So... you hate the Jews... And you are a libertarian.

Hate to break it to you pal, but it seems to me you hate the Jews because you wish you were one.

[Anonymous No.18989010]

>>18987189
Im your opinion, what should be done to fix this?

[Anonymous No.18989028]

>>18988555
Full time guy quit at my job. I told my boss I would cover his slack. We're hiring two part timers instead of another full time guy. In return I have a metric fuck ton of work, but I'm getting more than twice my old salary. All because Obama made it more expensive to hire full timers. Ha, I get more than double what I got before and it's STILL cheaper for the company than hiring another full timer. Do you realize how crazy that is?

THANKS OBAMA

[Anonymous No.18989033]

>>18988638
Eat my shit.

[Anonymous No.18989055]

>>18989003
Jews are awful. Niggers too, but I especially hate communist central bankers.

[Anonymous No.18989089]

>>18989055

Well your clearly not an ethno-nationalist based on what you have called the poor of your volk.

[Anonymous No.18989132]

>>18989089
Plop?

[Anonymous No.18989145]

>>18989132

It's just that ideologically you seem confused. or just a lazy troll.

[Anonymous No.18989198]

>>18989145
Why because I have a strong distaste for non-whites and prefer free markets? How is that confused?

[Anonymous No.18989212]

>if you live like a literal slave and have no future or free time you can make it!
why though
why would anybody want to do that
even in the third world people have leisure time, where are these people living completely grey, spartan, joyless lives just to say "I DID IT, I WORKED FOR MY KIKE BOSS EXTRA GOOD TODAY AND DIDN'T COMPLAIN THAT I HAVENT BEEN TO THE DOCTOR OR DENTIST IN 2 YEARS"
it's actually disgusting, the crab in a bucket mentality. and those who make a marginal amount more who kick down at those trying to escape the slavery, as if making $17/hr makes you a GOD compared to the peasants. As if foregoing coffee makes you a better person. As if your pathetic life spent working for free just to keep your pathetic job is somehow noble.
It's fucking sickening, these random poorfags who think that they are different than the other poorfags.

>>18989198
what benefit does the free market serve to your ideology? do you think that white people are somehow immune to being kiked? do you think that if other people are poor, it is due to their race? how do you reconcile poor white people?

[Anonymous No.18989247]

>>18989212
Are you retarded? When did I say whites are superior or immune to poverty?

[Anonymous No.18989261]

>>18989247
>I have a strong distaste for non-whites and prefer free markets
What would your ideal society look like? How would it handle poverty?

[Anonymous No.18989269]

>>18987223
Now try to raise a kid.

[Anonymous No.18989281]

>>18986293
yep.

[Anonymous No.18989304]

>>18989261
>distaste for other races means I believe mine is superior

Just a preference for a variety of reasons. That doesn't mean superior. I don't give a fuck who is superior just want them the fuck out so we can focus on other things.

>how to handle poverty
By getting the fuck out of the way. Governments"helping" is causing so many more unintended consequences that contributes to more problems.

[Anonymous No.18989385]

>>18989304
so how would your society handle a pandemic that causes workers unable to work for a couple of months, knowing that the workers are unable to survive without having money, as their wages have been depressed and the cost of living has risen so high? how would the workers eat? would the workers be evicted and forced into the streets to die? would the dead workers then be replaced by foreign immigrants?
>note: the government is not allowed to intervene in this case as they just cause unintended consequences that contribute to more problems

[Anonymous No.18989395]

>>18989304
>Governments"helping" is causing so many more unintended consequences that contributes to more problems.

Ah you, there is a problem going on that this doesn't address. And that is crony-capitalism/corporate socialism.

In the United States our government officials are beholden to their donners more than the voters because of the system of legalized bribery that are super-PACs. So our government has essentially been fused with various private entities (corporations and other special big money interest groups), and when the bought politicians go to washington, they shrink the public part of our government but expand upon the private part. So smaller government doesn't shrink how much power the government has but instead only makes the corporate entities that own it stronger, thus a more powerful government.

You've seen it with the money printer going brrr for big companies and investors. Even bailing the cruise industry which don't even pay taxes in the US.

So as nice as small government sounds, it's just a nice sounding theoretical at the moment.

[Anonymous No.18989555]

>>18985223
a large number of those not making a living wage are married, and with their spouse probably make more than anyone here. Quite a few are technically retired and rich.

the rest probably still live with their parents but could get married or rich if they had to.

a living wage hasn't been a thing in the US since the 50's. We've learned to adapt. You guys will also.

[Anonymous No.18989645]

https://brrr.money

[Anonymous No.18989718]

>>18989010
Although I don't like Donald Trump, I do like that he is trying to bring jobs back to America. Yet that is a double edged sword. You're talking about cutting into corporate earnings. They're going to earn that back by upcharging on product/services. Just pure greed.

[Anonymous No.18989744]

Stop posting these fucking goddamn Wojaks and go back to R*ddit. Fuck Wojak.

[Anonymous No.18989775]

>>18988656
Nail on the head, our generation works harder than boomers and suffers for it. Boomers could go to college, work the summer, pay it off, go back to college, rinse repeat. I found myself struggling to wake up at 6 am for school, go to work, do homework, go to sleep at 2am over and over again and only afford to pay rent, utilities, eat ok, but couldn't pay off a penny of student loans.

[Anonymous No.18989882]

Increasing population. Limited resources. Increasing efficiency. Increasing automation. Limited work. Everybody must be busy and occupied with work. Most work is pointless. The whole bootstraps thing has an element of truth. A lot of people think that coasting from education to gainful employment is a given and what was available to their parents generation should equally be available to them. Unfortunately these things are scarcer and the jobs are often zombie jobs in a zombie economy. Bootstraps in this instance means ruthless autonomy. Get a proper job doing something valuable. Demand to be paid what you are worth. Demonstrate your value. Work hard. Don't waste your money, put it to work for you. You will quickly rise above average as a result. Of course working hard in a dead end job for a boomer boss who nags you about starbucks and iphones is bullshit because it is objectively bullshit designed to enslave you. Refuse to work for the cunt. Do something better. If you can? Leave them to find somebody more on their level.

[Anonymous No.18989906]

it's another
>Americans throw away all their money, and then crym they have it the worst in the world
thread

[Anonymous No.18990183]

Also it is pretty hilarious to me that when these threads come up and there is talk of UBI or even something like approaching an expanded welfare state everybody shits the bed. You do know that the only way the weird 'this ensures our poverty!' / 'this doesn't incentivise work!' / 'people are inherently lazy!' thing works out for you is if those people unable to unwilling to support themselves within the current system quietly starve themselves to death? Because that is never going to happen you are always pissing into the wind mouthing off about how welfare = economic shackles. Rational people understand the pro's and con's of a societal safety net. Not everybody needs to work, there is a balance to be found there. Demanding everybody works because you work and you are a big strong boy who takes shovels of shit to the face everyday and they glance off your strong big boy jaw is great, but just highlights your need to be validated for being such a champ. Many people don't have to work for many reasons and we can afford some flexibility here. The 'everybody works' attitude was disproved in the work houses of the 1800's.

Humans are complex and messy creatures and humanity is more than dispassionate economic activity. We work, we pay taxes, we contribute in some way. If your society is filled with completely worthless individuals then your society and culture is at fault and you should look at addressing that. 'THEY' aren't just going to quietly starve themselves.

[Anonymous No.18990284]

>>18985223
We’re all just waiting for the boomers to die off, them we can live the good life.

[Anonymous No.18990917]

>>18988493
To add to this, in about 10 years time farming in fields will probably be replaced by vertical farming anyway. Why use all that land when when you can produce just as much using only a single building's worth of space.

[Anonymous No.18990925]

>>18987602
Capped
We will never forget

[Anonymous No.18991016]

>>18990284
Except they flooded the country with desperate immigrants who Are now also competing for what the boomers leave

[Anonymous No.18991047]

>>18987856
>Increase the value of the dollar. We can do this in all kinds of ways, but the most common is by backing the dollar with something. I dont really recommend the gold standard but something like copper or silver may be a good alternative. Or perhaps a unit of energy; 1 dollar = 1kW of power.
Money is backed by the government (their ability to enforce taxes, more specifically). Not sure why you would flat out reject the gold standard. In the current fiat system, deflationary factors can happen without central banks interference but technically just reducing the supply of money is one way of acheiving a greater purchasing power for those remaining.

[Anonymous No.18991048]

>>18990917
Cool idea, but you've a lot of break evens to overcome. Flat land exists and is easy to work. Creating vertical space is going to be more expensive than continuing to use or repurposing horizontal space. I do a lot of vegetable gardening and each year I move further away from traditional rows on the ground and have more containers, raised beds, stacked vertical planters and so on. For many types of crop the productivity is better, but the investment in time and materials is greater which is why it is gradual. I started growing indoors under artificial lights last year and this year my setup expanded somewhat. I want to develop either a hydroponic or aeroponic setup next. I also find that the more intensive systems with greater productivity requires more compartmentalised ways of working. Hoeing a patch is quite therapeutic and large spaces work nicely with bulk waste products, compost, straw etc, there is also a relationship between pest and predator, soil health and beneficial symbiotic plantings. Most of my container plantings have to be bought in sterile media and my indoor efforts are practically clean room levels of hygiene because introducing disease and pests into a closed monoculture is disastrous.

[Anonymous No.18991125]

>>18990183
As sombody who works, why sould I be in favor of a system that would support people who contribute nothing to society?
Not only would it mean that I have less, since the UBI would be paid from my taxes, I also would have to compete with people who live from my labor for living space and women

[Anonymous No.18991142]

>>18985223
This is a lie. The "living" wage is inflated.

[Anonymous No.18991184]

As of 2015, 85% of those below the poverty line didn't finish high school, or didn't wait until marriage to have kids, or don't work full time.
Two people working full time at minimum wage have a middle-class household income.

It's that easy, poorfags.

[Anonymous No.18991243]

>>18991125
There is a percentage of people who will never make it. Shit genes, physical/mental disability, casualty/collateral damage of the system. My point is there is always going to be a few percentage of people who are not working. Sustainable full employment is not possible or desirable. We are not going to bring about a system where they are removed from the gene pool (and nor should we seek to). Instead of acting like the whole system is going to come crashing down or society is going to fail should we have a welfare system and socially responsible safety net just see it for what it is, a necessary and neutral evil which just recognises the reality we are within and accommodates for it. We don't need to fall prey to bombastic demonstrative thinking that exaggerates the risk of something that just needs sorting out. Just ask that it is realistic, fair and effectively administered and move on with your life where you do you.

Acting like you wouldn't want to do productive work unless you had to in order to prevent starvation is a pretty low bar to set oneself. Compete for space and women? Come on dude, we've moved on somewhat. Why pay for schools? Why pay for infrastructure? Why do anything that doesn't directly benefit yourself? We compromise all the time because we recognise that we are greater as a society and culture than a mere collection of individuals. Otherwise we really would be soulless bugmen.

If you really want to break it down into a benefit to yourself it is because those people who contribute nothing (never mind that trying to define contribution is challenging) if unable to access the bare minimum to sustain themselves will fall into generational depravity which spills over onto all of us and as it is then a bigger mess to clean up we shouldn't create institutional systems to accelerate and focus this.

There has always been a feral underclass throughout history as a target for the working and middle classes. Things haven't really changed.

[Anonymous No.18991378]

>>18991243
I think I didn't manage to properly convey my point of view.
I agree that society should take care of people who cannot take care of themselves (e.g. due to health issues).
However, I have a problem with generalistic approaches like UBI. There are a lot of shit jobs out there, which people only do because they are forced to pay their bills. Who would want to work as a cleaner if he could could live off basic income? Yet cleaning work would still need to be done. This would lead to a situation where highly qualified engineers would have to invest their valuable time into cleaning their workspace, thus being less productive and still have to pay upkeep for people who would be perfectly able to perform the cleaning duties.

[Anonymous No.18991442]

>>18987779
Yah, keep paying your landlord instead of living with your kin.

[Anonymous No.18991486]

>>18985223
>18991142
the whole system is collapsing OP
it's like the Roman Empire
industry was removed and the borders are open
we are literally being colonized by foreigners
it's a big joke, and you are in it

[Anonymous No.18991708]

>>18991378
Is it horrible to have a world where engineers do cleaning? You might find companies have to hire an extra engineer or two in order to sustain the same output, but you remove quite a lot of overhead by doing so. It'd be a sorry state if engineers only become engineers to avoid cleaning after themselves. You say "only because they are forced to pay their bills", if that is really the case then it is a shit job that adds misery to the world and maybe we should look outside the box and find a way to reduce or remove it? I think you'd still find some people who would do cleaning instead of staying idle even if it was for pennies over UBI. They might do less of it because the risk of homelessness or starvation is reduced, but then you just employe more for less hours.

Cleaning is generally outsourced, the cleaning is billed to cover staff, management, costs of doing business, potentially shareholders. It is crazy when we think about it, but this is the system we perpetuate and UBI aims to create something which decelerates the squeeze of the rat race. If what we bring to the world is a mentality that shit rolls downhill we aren't very progressive.

Anecdotally I argue most weeks with people in my role who won't clean up after themselves because they believe it is beneath them and a poor use of their 'expensive' time. My argument is nobody who thinks like that is going to work here for very long. I've heard it before and I'm not convinced. You work neat and tidy and clean up after yourself as you go along or your pack up and get the fuck out. It isn't mutually exclusive. If that means costing your time into the job then that is what the job requires.

Fucking industrial electricians who think it is ok to toss their rubbish on the floor as they work and throw a hissy fit when not to do so as it is a hygienic production area and why is there bits of plastic and copper in hygienic drains which handle reactive chemicals and food waste destined for feed animals.

[Anonymous No.18991734]

>>18985223
Road to Serfdom

[Anonymous No.18991796]

>>18991708
>Is it horrible to have a world where engineers do cleaning?
It is inefficient. It takes a lot of time and money to educated engineers, wasting their time with tasks that require no education reduces their output. Also, cleaning was merely an example. Engineers would also have to take cooking shifts to cook food for the staff.
This whole process would dramatically reduce companies output, meaning it wouldn't be able compete on the global markets with companies that are located in countries with no ubi. With time, it would lead to the death of all industry in the ubi country.

[Anonymous No.18991936]

>>18991796
Or have big ass centralized kitchens that do bulk food processing and sell it to companies to feed their valuable employees. Or in house canteens with like 3 okish paid line cooks. Lots of options.

[Anonymous No.18991976]

>>18987602

HAHAHAHA WHAT A FAGGOT

(include me in the screencap lads)

[Anonymous No.18992436]

>>18985790
> working 5 years to afford a house on full cost

spoiled boomers

[Anonymous No.18993095]

>>18991796
We already have interfering governments who prevent perfect markets. I can see protection for industry in home markets who play by the rules. Everybody always acts like we are haggling at the market trying to find the cheapest bag of flour, but the reality of a mostly tertiary service economy is very different. If wages have failed to keep pace with productivity how else do you increase the value workers gain from employment?

To me, while we might both laugh at the idea of an apprentice sandwich artist simply saying "get a real job you bum" is pretty much what the boomers said to us which has created bullshit like apprentice sandwich artists. I'm not adverse to something which removes the need for assistant to the apprentice sandwich artists which otherwise will be the world my son inherits.

Covid has given a good reason to shift gears on this thing, we don't all need to sit in traffic to fill a cubicle farm with entry level call centre staff. Cooks, cleaners, these are excellent jobs in comparison to some of the admin farm bullshit office day release prisons that exist simply because somebody can leverage debt and government hand outs into a 99c on the lifetime profit per person in these pointless workhouses.

[Anonymous No.18993649]

>40% of 170 million workers can't afford a roof over their head
>that's nearly 70 million people that have to depend on others
>1/5 workers get fucked

what happens when 1/5th turns into 2/5, and then 3/5? what's america going to be like in 30 years? im scared bros

[Anonymous No.18993657]

>>18993649

you don't need to wait 30 years to be scared, just look around you now, this is not normal

[Anonymous No.18993678]

>40% of 170 million workers can't afford a roof over their head
>that's nearly 70 million people that have to depend on others
>1/5th of the workers are dependents

what happens when 1/5th turns into 2/5, and then 3/5? what's america going to be like in 30 years? im scared bros, what happens when pensions run out, social security is gone, and the older generation dies off? who is going to care for 1/5th+ of the workforce that can't afford to house themselves?

[Anonymous No.18993919]

>>18993678
>what's america going to be like in 30 years?

A brown mess, I prefer not to think about it

[Anonymous No.18994519]

>>18985714
>>18985790

So meme I can't tell if serious or not

[Anonymous No.18994595]

>>18993678
Nobody, they'll try to print it away until they devalue the currency, then they'll try and tax their existing earning base left at 80% or more.
This will lead to an increase in size of the black market. Where it used to be where you got drugs, now it will be where you get groceries. It will be where you get your first job.
This is how the majority of human history worked, we're just reverting to the mean.

[Anonymous No.18994610]

>>18987697

Said the one with a GED.

Fucking loser.

[Anonymous No.18994639]

>>18987856

Internet was a mistake. Retards like you now have a voice.

[Anonymous No.18994685]

>>18985790
Mass immigration, mass outsourcing, federal student loans, and pushing women into the workforce all contributed to the insane cost of living increases we've seen over the last few years. UBI is a band aid on a septic wound.

[Anonymous No.18994702]

>>18988160

> implying all jobs pay $7.25.

Are you like a child or something? You stupid Ubi libtards have this fixation on a federal wage that most states don't even follow nor do employers. Plus even raising the minimum wage does this thing called iNfLaTiOn. Why is it this hard to understand raising the minimum wage, increases prices.

Maybe instead of complaining on the internet, you should go protest at your employer. You know like previous generations did. You fucking lazy cunts always want daddy government to do your bidding.

[Anonymous No.18994723]

>>18988372

> be our slaves
> implying the trades are slaves

Holy shit it's summer already.

[Anonymous No.18994762]

>>18988481

> fucking fly me out there

That's American as fuck. Dick is legit throbbing.

[Anonymous No.18994805]

>>18991378

Society shouldn't take care of their mentally ill nor their retarded, inability to contribute to society. Why the fuck is it fair for this retard to sit in a chair all day while your boy gotta work? Fuck him. Hit me with a car already.

Do farmers keep their fucked up corn for production?

[Anonymous No.18995222]

>>18987273
>Foreclosed house
>In fucking Arkansas
Lmao that entire state lives on government assistance. And is hardly representative of the entire country as it's the 5th poorest state per capita. If you tried to move 50 million people into Arkansas, housing prices would shoot up. Telling everyone to move to Arkansas is not a sustainable solution.

>>18988774
(((They))) use niggers to give you someone to blame for your problems. I actively stop telling people to stop blaming niggers for their problems because it isn't productive, and the less intelligent of us are completely content to blame niggers for everything at the expense of actual change. I'd sooner vote for a nigger willing to actually change the system than for (((them))). If you live in constant fear of blacks you will be blinded to solutions that are being proposed due to your hatred of them.

>>18988304
The ones who consider $36,000 to be life changing money are the same 40% not earning a living wage.

>>18987290
Here's what needs to happen but never will because it would bipartisan support and each party will only be willing to implement half of the solution.

1. We need to increase taxes on the 1%. Repub and Elite democrats will never get behind this idea because they are bought by (((them))), but its the only way the government will ever actually generate enough money to offset the massive spending in the recent years.

2. We need to spend on infrastructure OUTSIDE of New York and California. (1) This will give people JOBS, like the new deal and (2) This will reduce our reliance on those two states. Infrastructure spending has a huge roi allowing you create new industry hubs because people will actually have the means to get there. You can't start talking about building industry without first having roads, public transport, and planes.

3. Tariff the shit out of China/Vietnam/India. Companies are going to outsource if its cheaper for them full stop. "Made in America" (cont).

[Anonymous No.18995360]

>>18995222
4. Get the government out of student lending OR forgive student loans. You simply cannot have the government back student loans for banks and make them impossible to get out of. It completely skews the equation - schools will charge as much as they can because they know the government will protect them. If you either tells banks that students can get bankrupted, or if after X years they get forgiven, then banks will actually give a shit about making sure a student can actually pay back that loan and wont give a 19 year old $400,000. If 19 year olds can't get approved for 400 grand, schools will stop charging that much (simple supply and demand).

None of this will never happen as its dependent on (1), and the 1% will never agree to be taxed so the money printer will continue. None of this should be controversial. We SHOULD want an educated work force. The return on investment that the GI bill produced was huge and put America into a golden age. We SHOULD want good city infrastructure. China can build and support multiple cities of 10M+ residents, but we struggle to save Detroit. We SHOULD want locally built supply chains, but we are too focused on saving the bottom line of fat cat CEOs.

You will find everything I'm saying supported by the Left or the Right but never both.

[Anonymous No.18995419]

>>18985223
>Why are we fostering a nation of dependents?

Captive goyim cattle are used to drive populism. They will say or act however you want them to if their gibs are on the line.

[Anonymous No.18995442]

>>18995360
>we
You? You don't know where to begin with doing any of that. There is no 'we' here. You just want someone else to fix it up so you don't feel bad about it.

[Anonymous No.18995449]

>>18985223
all these problems stem from the central bank, they have won the control of the money supply now if they suppress us into lefty ideas so they can control our emotions now do something about it here https://www.bitchute.com/video/vi0FQ29rSNwk/

[Anonymous No.18995521]

There's a lot of good debate here.
I skipped all of it and am just gonna keep on knowing that it was the Jews that did this.

[Anonymous No.18995792]

>>18988852

Are you joking? Jeff bezos made ~25 billion dollars during this epidemic and all the billionaires collectively gained hundreds of billions. No one needs that much money; a billion dollars is more than any reasonable person can spend in a lifetime. There is more than enough wealth to spread around and sooner than later this system will fucking snap

[Anonymous No.18995805]

>>18985790
kys
>>18985714
false

[Anonymous No.18995913]

>>18989261

Spoken like a true, indoctrinated wage slave

[Anonymous No.18995975]

>>18985714
/thread and totally not bait

[Anonymous No.18996343]

>>18991125
>As sombody who works, why sould I be in favor of a system that would support people who contribute nothing to society? UBI won't make the incentive to work go away, people will still have jobs. This is more about giving a direct boost to the average person to make up for the disparity between wage growth and productivity. The taxes you pay are likely just a token just to make you feel like you contributed, btw. Compared to billionaires wealth you have barely any money most likely, even if your upper middle-class.

[Anonymous No.18996367]

>>18991125
>As sombody who works, why sould I be in favor of a system that would support people who contribute nothing to society?

UBI won't make the incentive to work go away, people will still have jobs. This is more about giving a direct boost to the average person to make up for the disparity between wage growth and productivity. The taxes you pay are likely just a token just to make you feel like you contributed, btw. Compared to billionaires wealth you have barely any money most likely, even if your upper middle-class.

[Anonymous No.18996376]

>40% of americans are worthless
>40% of Americans are nonwhite
Hmmm

[Anonymous No.18996539]

>>18985714
Every job I've gotten i have literally walked up to the boss and shook their hand and told them my skills. Its ONLY the year 2020

[Anonymous No.18996838]

>>18994702
2 million jobs are minimum wage, millions more are just dollars above it.

40% of workers can't afford a roof over their head without being financially dependent on family or government

[Anonymous No.18996853]

>>18990917
>10 years
there won't be a single functioning, profitable meme tower farm within 10 years.

[Anonymous No.18996864]

>>18985223
40% of the population could be exterminated without any noticable loss. Coincidence?

[Anonymous No.18996896]

>>18996853

It really depends on when we get fusion energy up and running. Once fusion plants arrives energy will be so cheap we will be able do do lots of cool shit like that.

[Anonymous No.18996912]

>>18996896
you fucking dipshit. fusion is going to take about 50-80 years.

[Anonymous No.18996949]

>>18996912

I said 'when' didn't I? And it won't take that long, but that's asides the point.

[Anonymous No.18996981]

>>18994610
>>18994639
>>18994702
>>18994723
>>18994762
>>18994805
Major cringe. I’m so glad thread IDs let you spot autists like this

[Anonymous No.18997077]

>>18995222
>>18995222
Regarding your picture, my foolproof way of using 4chan is to ignore every post except those with notable digits. I can’t explain it but it works. Look at yours, it’s one of the best and most well thought out in the thread and somehow you got trips. Even if a notable post doesn’t have those digits, if it’s worth a shit there’s probably a response to it somewhere that does have digits so i get to read it anyway. Doesn’t even have to be at the end of the number, if there’s dubs or trips anywhere in the number, or if there’s a significant amount of repeating digits that aren’t next to each other I check it out. It cut my browsing time significantly. Yet I agree, being on this site for too long is a huge waste of time and most threads are doomed to go nowhere. Yet this board in particular is one of the only reasons I understand crypto and the economy, and pol literally predicted the Coronavirus happening before anyone else before it was taken over by paid Russian Chinese nothingburger shills

[Anonymous No.18997085]

>>18996949
Yeah, it actually will. You have zero fucking clue what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.18997130]

>>18997085

And you do?

[Anonymous No.18997672]

>>18997130
apparently, retard

[Anonymous No.18997714]

Well go on, why will it take 80 years?

[Anonymous No.18997732]

>>18997714
>well, okay im retarded
>spoonfeed me
no thanks

[Anonymous No.18997747]

>>18997732

lol ok fag.

[Anonymous No.18997764]

if 40% of workers "just got better jobs" as conservatives demand, then the economy would collapse overnight. You can just have nearly half the workforce "get better jobs" so that's not an acceptable thing to say. the individual may be able to get a better job but the entire 40% cant, it's impossible.

if you accept that fact then you must accept 40% of the workface are essentailly slaves, that are destined to never be financially independent. does this mean 4/10ths of the workforce NEED to be poor in order for the top 60% to survive?

[Anonymous No.18997780]

>>18997747
yeah have fun telling everyone not to worry because fusion and hydroponic high rises are just around the corner you absolute retard

[Anonymous No.18997877]

>>18988802
>the wealth of the 1% is liquid and can be magically converted into goods and services for the masses
full retard

[Anonymous No.18997878]

>>18997780

I didn't say that. Why are you so defensive?

[Anonymous No.18998412]

>the year is 1968
>you just graduated from high school
>the local factory just 10 minutes from your house is hiring
>you go down there and fill out an application
>you meet the hiring manager, john
>you shake hands, he interviews for 5 minutes
>you tell him you're ready to work
>he hires you, you start monday
>You get close to double the minimum wage
>you get a pension, health insurance, and two weeks pto, as well as overtime any time you wanted it
>you work there for 30 years
>retire when you're 50 with your house completely paid off
>maybe you get a part-time job, maybe you don't, it doesn't matter
>cash in on your pension, you make close to what you were making while working
>15 years later you get your social security
>your house has quadrupled in value
>you're completely disconnected from today's economy
>you laugh at teenagers who subject themselves to student loans in hopes of making $15 an hour
>"just work harder" you say
>"i did it, why cant you?" you say
>"just walk into a place, meet the manager, and greet him with a firm handsake" you say

life is good, life is great, why cant these damn kids just work harder?

[Anonymous No.18998603]

>the year is 2040
>you just graduated high school
>you almost didn't make it because books cost too much
>you don't get approved for a 50k loan to attend community college
>you freak out knowing it's impossible for you to find work without a degree
>for months you search for a job, any job, any wage, any hours
>anything to put on your digital resume that's linked to your government sub dermal implanted chip
>you decide fuck it, Ill join the "work for free" program to at least gain experience
>go to local government office
>you scan yourself in
>your greeted by a guard with a rifle
>its your pal from high school
>he's happy because he gets a government provided barrack and 3 meals a day
>he tells you its totally worth the 12 hour shifts as he pats you down and molests you
>you make your way to the front of the line
>you sign the papers for a 12-month program
>you work in a factory assembling wireless security cameras for the government
>it costs you 1k a month to attend
>after 12 months you now have job experience, but you are in 12k worth of debt
>you finally find a job
>its at mcdonalds as a service tech for the automated grilling machines and cahsiers
>you work 7 days a week, 3 hours a day, across 8 locations, and 2 towns
>you finally made it
>you can now afford to pay for a communal bedroom and one meal a day
>you can now visit the doctor once a year
>whenever you're feeling down your chip reminds you with a little shock to be grateful for the opportunity you have to work and that one day, you too, could be rich, if you just keep working hard

[Anonymous No.18998685]

>>18988429
Wow based living in butt fucked egypt with 99% men who are probably sending half their paycheck to thots on onlyfans because men literally go insane without female companionship

[Anonymous No.18998751]

>the year is 2100
>all of society has collapsed because of a thermonuclear war
>you scavenge food in the non-radiated zones
>you live your life off the land
>its a lonely one, a sad one, you almost off yourself a few times
>after 20 years of being on your own you stumble across a community
>they offer a place to sleep, food, water and protection from the outside world
>the only catch is they demand you work 18 hour days
>you ask if everyone works 18 hour days
>"no, some of us only work 8 hour days, some of us don't work at all. the people with the most supplies don't do anything"
>you turn to stare at the vast wasteland
>you think to yourself
>"no, not again"
>and begin to go back to the life you thought you hated

[Anonymous No.18998782]

>the year is 2100
>all of society has collapsed because of a thermonuclear war
>you scavenge food in the non-radiated zones
>you live your life off the land
>its a lonely one, a sad one, you almost off yourself a few times
>after 20 years of being on your own you stumble across a community
>they offer a place to sleep, food, water and protection from the outside world
>the only catch is they demand you work 18 hour days
>you ask if everyone works 18 hour days
>"no, some of us only work 8 hour days, some of us don't work at all. the people with the most supplies don't do anything"
>you turn to stare at the vast wasteland
>you think to yourself
>"no, not again"
>and begin to go back to the life you thought you hated

[Anonymous No.18998907]

>>18996864
>"le le i am Hitler lol!"
cringe.

[Anonymous No.18998976]

>>18995913
>argument mysteriously missing

[Anonymous No.18999644]

>pensions don't exist
>unions are disappearing
>wages are stagnant
>can't get into unionized trades with experience
>can only get experience by paying for it
>associate degrees are worthless
>half of bachelors degrees are worthless
>and america still doesn't have universal healthcare

where did we go so wrong?

[Anonymous No.18999981]

>>18997764

you are right, everyone can't get a good job but those that really want one can. There's nothing stopping the individual.

I wouldn't be happy living in a trailer and raising 3 kids with a meth-addicted mother but it seems to work for other people so why don't you let them?

If they wanted to work for Ericsson as badly as I do then they would code more and cry less.

[Anonymous No.19000378]

>>18990917
maybe 50-100 years. Way too much currently invested for conventional farming for it to change that quickly.

[Anonymous No.19000589]

>>18991184
Yes, all the goy should get a degree at Schlong University for the cheap price of perpetual debt :)

[Anonymous No.19000767]

>>18999644
Boomers literally fucked everything unrionically.

>offloaded manufacturing
>fucked birth rates
>fucked monetary policy
>normalised brainless consumerism
>normalised drug use
>normalised obesity
>sexual revolution
>normalised pornography
>normalised divorce
>normalised the welfare state
>raised millennials
>ushered in our own demographic replacement

America could have been so great. But its ruined forever.

[Anonymous No.19000776]

>>18986191
Kill all communist bootlickers.

[Anonymous No.19000787]

>>18987189
This started happening when we got off the gold standard in 1970.
This has nothing to do with globalization.

[Anonymous No.19000813]

>>18987520
Marx was wrong about pretty much everything.

>>18989010
Abolish central banking.

[Anonymous No.19000854]

>>18999644
Unions and state monopolized healthcare aren't a good thing.
We need to abolish central banking and have a free market.

[Anonymous No.19001006]

>>18994685
Funny thing about UBI is that it's only becoming a necessity because of how completely fucked monetary, immigration, economic and social policy, and so on has been for the better part of the last 60 years. It's absolutely insane we should even potentially need UBI, but well here we are.

[Anonymous No.19001101]

>>18986807
>>18986807
suburbs became filled with sextion 8 projects for niggers to over produce and ruin property values and public school reputation/grades

[Anonymous No.19001137]

>>18985223
>Why are we fostering a nation of dependents?
The fault isn't with the cattle its with the people who lord over you for Decades, excuse the political rambilings, Nancy Pelosi,Chuck Schumer, Mitch Mcconnel. They pass stuff like Nafta. America has no politician atm who is actually making a difference we would need a violent revolution

[Anonymous No.19001153]

>>19001006
If we didn't have central banking, people wouldn't be pushing for UBI

[Anonymous No.19001227]

>>18985714

Don't know if bait or not, but if it's the latter...

How many wage slaves do you see that are hustling all the time and yet are still poor? Hard work isn't the problem, but rather work drones have no leverage or influential contacts to make more money with. It is impossible to become rich with the "muh bootstraps" mindset because you only have 24 hours in a day.

Like my old boss told me, it's not about what you know but WHO you know.

[Anonymous No.19001398]

>>18985223
Companies are dependant on paying low wages.

[Anonymous No.19001445]

>>19001398
Due to central banking destroying wages.

[Anonymous No.19001463]

>>18988424
most underrated post. recently started thinking of ways to scam the gov. Too easy with PPP. All you have to do is "get hired for financial budgeting during this time and split the difference with the guy who is hiring you. SEC asks say it was an advance.

[Anonymous No.19001472]

>>18987602
hope u die of coronavirus

[Anonymous No.19001581]

In an ideal world low skilled/low paying jobs would go to teenagers but now those jobs are outsourced to low IQ foreigners

There's no upward mobility. It's not organic you basically have to schmooze and give blowjobs to old gay Jewish guys to buy a home.

[Anonymous No.19001779]

>>18989055
>communist central bankers

[Anonymous No.19001854]

>>18985223
40% of US workers doesn't equal 40% of the population you absolute massive airhead

[Anonymous No.19001939]

>>18985790
>>18987189
>>18987228
>>18992436
>>18994519
>>18995805
>>18994685
>taking the b8 this hard

[Anonymous No.19001989]

>>18985714
ok boomer

[Anonymous No.19002054]

>>18987610
2 jobs to be poor lol

[Anonymous No.19002098]

>>19001854
that's actually a bad thing. 40 percent of workforce = very little of the population.what the fuck are these other people doing other than sitting and collecting gibs. send children back to factories now and ground old people up into onions

[Anonymous No.19002128]

>>18985223
Soon that 40% won't be making any wage at all

[Anonymous No.19002134]

>>18985223
ah the wonderful year of 1960, where a 5 dollar an hour job would be $43.60 an hour in today's money and back then you didn't even need college. millebials are just so entitled!!

[Anonymous No.19002288]

>>18990917
>Why grow food cheaply when you could spend millions per acre and millions more in electricity?!
Smooth Brain.

[Anonymous No.19002462]

>>18988555
Checked. you sir, know how to redpill.
>>18989028
based.
>>18989212
>work life balance in America is shit
yeah, dude. Boomers don't get that we have to do 4x the amount of work they had to do to have the same style of life they had)
you sound like you're new here though. chill out. this ain't reddit.
>>18989555
but you were able to buy a house near your job, and pay off your debts sooner.
>>18989718
supply and demand... prices will balance themselves out. trust in donnie
>>18989882
population by most accurate estimates caps around 10 billion. If we can feed ten billion we'll be fine. If not, we're fucked. But that has to be the goal.
>>18989882
there a few jobs with positions that even allow you to move up. Upward social mobility is the worst in US when comparing 1st world countries.
>>18991184
nigger, the whole point is that minimum wage was enough to hodl a nuclear family in a suburb. that's what boomers got, and that's what they don't understand.
>>18994595
i'm always impressed by how based the people /biz/ are
>>18995360
honest question, do you think a bank would loan an 18 year old the equivalent of the average college tuition to start a business?

The only way to move upwards socially is to work for free. AKA "internships" this slave service is the only way to get to the top of business with out being a wage cuck first. You have to be a slave first, then you skip the lines in disney land.

.t english degree +finance i read all this shit. some great ideas niggers

[Anonymous No.19002590]

>>18987554
>Zona
>110 degrees all the time
>Mexicans
>Drug smuggling
>Cops that will splatter your brains because you sneeze during a traffic stop

No thank you

[Anonymous No.19002723]

>>19001779
Marx supported central banking and all communist states had central banks.

[Anonymous No.19003073]

>>19000767
>normalized divorce

unironically not a bad thing. if you're unhappy with someone, leave them. fuck that old school "let me husband beat me for 30 years" mentality

[Anonymous No.19003356]

>>19002723
Most countries in the world have central banks. They aren't communist.

[Anonymous No.19003466]

>>18985714
>>18985790
I know this is bait but I hate boomers so much.

[Anonymous No.19003494]

>>18998412
>>18998603
>>18998782
capped

[Anonymous No.19003536]

>>19003356
The only places in history without central bank were extreme free markets and were the best places to live.

[Anonymous No.19003556]

>>18986270
this
I'm brazilian, 30yo, and still live with my parents
my 36yo brother and 39yo sister also lives with us
a house is the biggest asset a family has, why not use it to its full potential?
and if you move out, it's not like your parents will rent your room to strangers, they'll just leave it empty. Seens like a terrible waste of space

[Anonymous No.19003622]

>>18987554
Arkansas you retard

[Anonymous No.19003810]

>>18985223
capitalism is a zero sum game. when somebody wins somebody else has to lose. there is not infinite oppourtinities.

[Anonymous No.19003910]

>I am entitled to the success of my ancestors
Do you think the silent generation was seething like zoomers for fighting two world wars when the generation before them enjoyed the prosperity of industrialization?
Meanwhile you cry because you can't afford a "lambo" and a mansion for flipping burgers for a year. Disgusting twats.

[Anonymous No.19003930]

>>18989395
But if you cut the size of government (and there for slash tax revenue) you will cut corruption, because the tax revenue is what is funding this corruption.

[Anonymous No.19004140]

>>19003910
I just want to afford a studio apartment working 40 hours a week, is that too much to ask?

[Anonymous No.19004360]

>>19003810
>capitalism is a zero sum game. when somebody wins somebody else has to lose. there is not infinite oppourtinities.

Two men are on an island. The working man spends his days building shelter, making nets, collecting firewood. The lazy man relaxes under the leaves. When it rains, the working man stays dry and the lazy man gets wet. The working man collects enough food to eat, the lazy man starves. When it's cold, the working man stays warm, and the lazy man shivers.

>Only a communist would say the working man has stolen from the lazy man
It's about value creation, retard

[Anonymous No.19004426]

>>19004360
Based Austrian economics poster.

[Anonymous No.19004440]

>>19004140
Then why do you support central banking and government intervention in the housing market which causes housing bubbles and expensive rent?

[Anonymous No.19004788]

>>19004360
>the island has infinite resources
the working man did "steal" from the potential of the lazy man by using some of the shared resources
this is why we have taxes and penalties on those who disrupt ecosystem functions

[Anonymous No.19005305]

>>19000854
Unions are fair in the free market we just don't need a government regulating them

[Anonymous No.19005365]

>>19003356
Still a communist/socialist concept though

[Anonymous No.19005597]

>>19003930
>because the tax revenue is what is funding this corruption.

But it's not. It's the super-PACs, whitch means it's the corporations and other big monied who are funding the corruption. The politicians also often end up as lobbyists for those very groups after they leave politics, so they govern with future paychecks in mind.

These individuals do not have the nations good in mind when they decide what to cut and what to spend. Typically they cut industry regulations and worker protections and increase military spending and subsidies, and then non-rich people usually get the bill either from higher taxes or inflated money, privatizing the gains and socializing the losses.

[Anonymous No.19005639]

>>18985223
>retarded thinking gets retarded life

They work extra jobs, you moron.

[Anonymous No.19006156]

>>19004788
Finite resources =/= zero sum game

Taking advantage of unowned land via homestead (labor theory of land) is not stealing. The lazy man had every opportunity to make use of the unowned land, too

[Anonymous No.19006270]

BTC halving general
>>19005927
>>19005927
>>19005927
LONGS ARE IN

[Anonymous No.19006901]

>>19006156
>finite resources != zero sum game
what the fuck am I even reading

[Anonymous No.19006922]

[Anonymous No.19006970]

>>18989882
wow you should start a youtube channel

[Anonymous No.19007062]

>>18995222
>2. We need to spend on infrastructure OUTSIDE of New York and California. (1) This will give people JOBS, like the new deal and (2) This will reduce our reliance on those two states. Infrastructure spending has a huge roi allowing you create new industry hubs because people will actually have the means to get there. You can't start talking about building industry without first having roads, public transport, and planes.
This is right, but the current system is absolutely not set up to do it the right way. this will just mean more suburbia, and suburbia is NOT SUSTAINABLE from a financial perspective. You're throwing mass infrastructure spending away and ultimately making everything worse if you use it to build out, not up.
Fat chance though, people think chain stores = good economy

[Anonymous No.19007160]

>>18988481
Imagine not already working a retard entry level 'sending emails is all I do' gov contract remote job that pays $21/hr

ngmi. god bless texas

[Anonymous No.19007926]

>>18999981
Kek I worked for Ericsson... they hire on contract through DXC Technology now and pay minimum wage for jobs that used to pay $40+ a hr.

[Anonymous No.19009059]

>>18985223
>is there going to be 3 generations living in one house?
THAT'S A GOOD THING!
Asian countries have been doing that for centuries. It's called "Generational Households" and I love the concept.

[Anonymous No.19009080]

>>18985790
>working 5 years on minimum wage buys you a house
Do you even hear yourself? You would have to work 50 years at minimum wage to afford a house now. And that's if you can save a miraculous 20% of your already meager income per year towards it.

[Anonymous No.19009093]

>>18986293
>Jews did this.
Yep. I can't believe it's 2020 and so few people know this. Maybe they DESERVE to be slaves in that case.

[Anonymous No.19009103]

>>18987175
You don't like your parents? Either you or them are bad people then.

[Anonymous No.19009124]

>>18985223
>I feel like something is wrong here.
Place is a shithole but puts up a facade via debt
>Why are we fostering a nation of dependents?
Mutts are lazy cunts that need H1B visa holders to raise the national IQ & Mexicans to do the manual labour.
>What's going to happen a generation from now?
More debt = more taxes, even more of third world nation. hilariously they will still think they are the best nation in the world. The brainwashing runs deep.
>is there going to be 3 generations living in one house?
defo, the mutts can't afford healthcare for the older generation currently. its the biggest form of bankruptcy for the old

[Anonymous No.19009173]

>>19005365
wrong

[Anonymous No.19009502]

>>19000767
America was already completely fucked by the early 1900s, but boomers really seemed intent on really fucking hammering that last big fuck you nail into the coffin. Boomers are the most insidious on a personal level as they were insistent on ensuring every ounce of wealth goes directly to Schlomo and squandered on shiny trinkets instead of increasing their generational power.

[Anonymous No.19009632]

>>19009173
Wrong

[Anonymous No.19010467]

>>19009173
>doesn't understand the fx 'markets'
Go look you 'Managed'/'dirty' floats