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>> No.18970185

lube your asshole for that 700k

>> No.18970194

>>18970185
fucking cope kek

>> No.18970200

Are the yanks asleep right now

>> No.18970271

>>18970200
Almost, my power went out while I was listening to a Terrance McKenna lecture and now I'm spooked because the quote he gave just before the lights went out was in regards to post WWII USA
>The question is not whether America will acquire interstellar colonies, but how we will keep them in good taste.
How big was this linkie jump percentage? Last I checked we were at $3.80>>18970185

>> No.18970292

>>18970271
We never even saw 4.0X went from 3.98 to 4.10 in two seconds

>> No.18970304

>>18970271
interstellar colonies will break off from America the same way America broke off as a colony from UK, it seems pretty obvious.

>> No.18970324
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18970324

PREPARE FOR LIFT OFF NIGGERS, WE ARE GOING TO MARS

>> No.18970348

>>18970304
When humanity is split between the digitals and the orbitals we'll have some interesting questions of governance to attend to

>> No.18970364

>>18970130
yah boiye

>> No.18970393

>>18970304
Yeah but it would take such a long time for space colonies to develop the inustrial base and population to fight off Homeworld forces. Granted it would be easy for them to develop the political will due to their big brains but they'd need a grand coalition of support for their war of independence just like we needed against the bongs.

>> No.18970423

>>18970393
will take less time than you think.
Bombing/nuking the mars colony would be political suicide for any nation, any actual soldiers sent there will be extremely costly and chances are they get outsmarted by the mars colonists because they are not used to the space environment at all.

>> No.18970438

>>18970348
I imagine it will be like Cixin's the Dark Forest, space fleets will be their own autonomous governments, with UN representation on Earth

>> No.18970511

>>18970423
>Bombing/nuking the mars colony would be political suicide for any nation
This will be the case assuming that all of the operation highjump conspiracies are false and there isn't already a break away civilization occupying Mars which could be used as a scapegoat for the need to cleanse the red planet of an adversary thought long dead. Everything else you'd mentioned is just about spot on though, there's no way we'd be able to retake a space colony without shock and awe given our recent spectacular failure in overthrowing Venezuela yet again.
It is funny though, that this contemplation of exopolitics adds new meaning to
>To the moon

>> No.18970564

Intergalactic space wars?
>link moons
>/biz/ funds immortality
>faces off against space Jews in the year 2500 year of our Lord Sergey Nazarov

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>>18970564
It's all habbening so fast. I had to double check >>18970292's claims about what happened when turbo boosters were wngaged but pic related verifies that we are now in orbit.

>> No.18970630

>>18970393
>>18970423
It costs as much to send a soldier as a colonist, and they have all the same needs. Invasion from space is a dubious proposition.

>>18970438
Autonomy will be huge when light lag is an issue. In the very least, we'll have at least 6 sectors of loosely confederated states in close stellar orbit within a light minute of one another. (That is, as tight as mercury orbits - a circumference of ~15 light-minutes.)

Anyway, there's only one way to fight an INTERstellar war. Inside our own solar system is one thing, sure... nukes would be helpful. But if you're going even a fraction of the speed required for interstellar travel, no payload is relevant. Any simple mass will atomize a planet like a godly spritz of febreeze. We're talking a slug the size of a truck, not even a house. But you'd likely use something the size of a mountain, because that's the sort of rocks you find in space and think "yea I should huck that at some bitch."

>> No.18970706

>>18970630
>Any simple mass will atomize a planet like a godly spritz of febreeze.
I forgot about railguns. But even so, I'd like to think that we'd be sophisticated enough to launch rail attacks with aerodynamically constructed tungsten rods at least in the beginning rather than full frontal dino extermination right out the gate.
Something poetic even the homopedo mole people would be able to appreciate like Zeus casting a lighting rod from the top of Mount Olympus as a warning to the plebs.

>> No.18970763

>>18970438
While I agree that even fleets will be entirely autonomous, we will still have a unified currency with which to trade. We won't be trading anything physical, obviously, but there will always be trade of ideas, methods, memes, etc. And for that we will require a currency. I believe PoW will be the core technology that drives that, because of the dramatically different computational capabilities of different parts of the solar system.

The Landauer Limit states that the energy required for a computation, E = kTln2, or E = boltzman's constant * temp * 0.693. Which is another way of saying that the colder it is, the faster computers can run. there are a couple really cold placed in the solar system, but they're mostly voids. Useful cold is cold mass.

Titan is comprised of a shitload of super cold hydrocarbons and no oxygen. Nothing will burn, but everything is a fabulous coolant. And it's a planet sized mass that's only -175 C. Meaning that any datacenter on Titan can produce in seconds what the exact same hardware could do in decades on Earth.

So there will always be a computer that can bruteforce your anything 80 light-minutes away.

>> No.18970780

Time travel is real, ergo FTL travel is also real. America will be a vast interstellar union. Every other country will neck.

>> No.18970870

>>18970393
What the other anons said. The other thing is, Mars would be the high ground. The colony can toss some asteroids down the gravity well if Earth got uppity, no crazy superweapons needed, just mass & basic physics. Scifi doesn't accurately reflect how crazily destructive a space war would actually be.

>> No.18970946

>>18970763
Good idea. Gotta power them though. Orbital cable induction generator around Jupiter (drag it through the magnetosphere), or a Dyson sphere-type thing to capture heat. Or just refine & burn some of those hydrocarbons on Titan or Jupiters gas idk. Lotta options once you've got enough development up there & all more or less feasible even with todays engineering level (including likely developments that'd become feasible as it went) from what I can tell.

>> No.18970963

>>18970706
Yea that's the trick of it. Let's consider attacking our nearest neighbor, 1 light-year away.

To defeat our enemy within a reasonable timeframe, we will need to increase our speed continually over several months. Lets say we hit 0.1c, meaning we burned an easy 0.5g for a couple months. It took us 10 years between firing the shot and arrival. This required 450 x 10^17 joules of energy per ton even at 100% efficiency.

So even a modest sized asteroid would impact with around 450 x 10^34 joules.

Knocking off our entire atmosphere, liquefying the crust, and burning off any residual oxygen would require about 10^27 joules.

Knocking most of the mantle off, creating a couple balls of magma that spiral into the sun would take 10^30 joules.

Exploding the planet so it's nothing but a ring of debris requires 10^32 joules.

Vaporizing the planet such that at least 99% of the planetary mass exceeds escape velocity of the sun requires 10^34 joules.

So the most modest, easygoing, ten-year-to-arrive bullet... would literally wipe our planet physically out of the entire solar system.

>> No.18970976

>>18970763
The super cooled gaming rigs of neets orbiting Titan are confirmed to have apex hashing power then. The discovery and sequestering of quantum computing tech is just about the only thing I can think of that would give homeword a chance under those conditions.
Impressive post in general though anon, I can only comment on the overtones of your theory without verifying the maths myself.
I'd wager that some poor wagie with similar knowledge of energy just cleaned up the mess from this cold spell because I just got my power back. Very relieved since I'm still in the process of discretely fortifying the house.

>>18970870
>Scifi doesn't accurately reflect how crazily destructive a space war would actually be.
Agreed, i think the only thing they have pounded into our skulls for fear mongering purposes is just how impossible it would be for us to alter the path of an asteroid that just happened to be on course for Earth, let alone one that had been thrusted at us.

>> No.18970978

>>18970946
The thing about putting datacenters on titan is that a AA battery could power them. That's how crazy things get when they're that cold.

>> No.18971045

>>18970976
>>18970870
You said it. Stellar war would be so destructive at its minimum setting it's difficult to fathom. Like Isaac Arthur says, there's just no such thing as an unarmed spacecraft. You get going fast enough, you personally could punch a planet hard enough to break it.