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What are your 30s like, /biz? I am 26 and have been hit by the quarter life crisis/mid 20s blues. I feel like the really fun years are behind me. I've been pretty good about saving and trying to establish a solid nest egg, in the hopes that what they say about the 30s being your 20s but with more money is true. If you are single and have money, is it truly better than the previous decade? Or is it only better if you are married and have kids? How do I tell which of the two paths is a meme and what is reality?

>> No.18874560

you have more wealth
you screw less
you have way more knowledge than your 20s if youre not retarded

>> No.18874582

>>18874531
Nah man.
30s you get closer to death every year and that requires some thinking yes.

But there's perks.
You're usually more settled financially and career wise.
You are more attractive to most women.
Your wisdom gives ongoing interests.

And so forth.

>> No.18874585

30s > 20s so far desu

>> No.18874636

33 here, same as 20's, except I have less friends, look older, am more out of shape, still just as poor (atleast living alone though), slightly balding but I can cover it up well enough still, and every little health problem now scares me to death.

Spend the rest of your 20's building up your wealth and getting into shape. By the time you hit 30 you should be well off financially, well built, and then you can go out and try to find a girl 5-10 years younger than you to snatch up as a long term prospect (provided you still look good and have most of your hair. If not, well good thing you spent that time building wealth so you can get a hair transplant.)

With that said, I'm not a lost cause. I've spent the last 7 months (when I turned 33) working hard on improving myself and getting shit done, and I should be a fairly competent person by the time I hit 34 in a few months. but I had to work HARD, and I had to sacrifice doing everything that I enjoy because I fucked up so bad doing nothing for years and years. Luckily I still look young so im hoping to start dating some early 20's girls soon.

>> No.18874649

>>18874531
to answer your question only you know the answer but having a family secures your future IMO because of the structure thats formed to preserve wealth. children are cheap labor and they take care of you at end of life. wife provides stability and prevents your from squandering money on randoms, and if you pick the right one will empower you

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>>18874531
if nothing else getting married allows you to cut your rent and utility bills in half, f**k being single forever

>> No.18875396

>>18874636
hair transplant legit costs 5k how is that even an investment nigga just work for a month

>> No.18875441

30s has been way better than 20s but then again I hold LINK now so I actually have hope for the future.

>> No.18875503

I was a drug addict for most of my twenties and now that I'm sober I've actually been excelling. It is motivation to work hard when the highlight of your week isn't Friday night getting drunk and doing blow. The highlight of my week is executing projects that coworkers 10 years older than me couldn't pull off.
Tbh I outgrew my social life, which was hard at first but now I like it. My friends were all fucking losers who accomplish nothing and when I tried to talk to them about investing They would literally get scared.

>> No.18875646

>>18874531
>34
>100k
>About to loose job
>Quiting crypto too risky

>> No.18875709

>>18875503
>They would literally get scared.

Same. When I tell people what UND is about to do they get scared. Hard to blame them since literally everything is denominated in USD these days.

>> No.18875845

>>18875709
One UND has been deposited in your account

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18875861

Tell me about it. Trying to finish a ChemE PhD. when this shutdown hit, so that's pushed back toward the end of the calendar year. No idea what to do with that degree since academia is a dumpster fire. And if the doom-sayers are even close to right, we're staring down the barrel of 1929 right now. Not the best job market in a year or two. I've got a paid-off car, about $3600 in PMs salted away, 1k in an emergency account, and I can pocket about 500-700 a month. At least I have no debt and I'm not fat.
I'm starting to realize that my parents probably never understood what they were doing economically, and somehow just avoiding getting punished for it by luck. Like, you have 3 of your kids out of the house for 2 years, and yet you didn't finish paying off your mortgage with your saved money, but found the money to trade out your old vehicles and take on 2 new car payments.

I've noticed that all my work friends (I.E. other STEM grad students) came from upper middle to upper class backgrounds, and so did most of their parents. It's starting to come together why the middle class is disappearing; its just bifurcating.

>> No.18875921

>>18875709
>>18875845
Based and undpilled

>> No.18875927

>>18874531
Im 37 and have full diabetes
Like imma die in one-two years

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>>18874531
21 with 32k invested was more than that before Rona.
Am I on the right path I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week without a social life. I’m extremely miserable but I promise myself financial freedom by 28.

Am i doing ok anons

>> No.18875990

you need to get wife & coom fren

>> No.18875992

>>18875861
You are broke but you bought silver lmao you aren't any smarter than them retard

>> No.18876015

>>18874531
if you find a compatible girl getting married and having kids is way better

I am late 30's and degenerate and I have gotten some pretty good fucks, even recently - but it is hell to constantly get to know boring women so you might sleep with them

Also huge chance of crazies if they are in their 30's or if they are in their 20's but willing to fuck a late 30's

>> No.18876038

I remember how ancient I thought a 30 yo was when I was 26. lol
>If you are single and have money, is it truly better than the previous decade?
Yes
>Or is it only better if you are married and have kids?
Its like anything else, it depends
>How do I tell which of the two paths is a meme and what is reality?
The truth is you don't actually know if you have choices. The way you use words, sloppy, reveals a lot. Go to school, you are dunning-kreuger material.

>> No.18876044

>>18874636
Good shit anon. 23 here but seeing that fiery drive makes me believe you'll kill it

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>>18874531
>I feel like the really fun years are behind me
i got like this at 20-21

>> No.18876091

>>18875964
Yea man, but try and enjoy some of your youth. Stability is great but you can't buy back time. Get laid and have some fun along they way.

>> No.18876105

>>18874531
If you’ve played your cards right the best part of being in your thirties is you don’t have to deal with anyone you don’t want to deal with. Everyone else you grew up with is doing their own shit by now, families, meme careers, etc. You have a few close friends that you can see once a week and that’s it. Zero bullshit social obligations. Zero societal pressures. You’re not competing with some other mid twenties faggot. You don’t have to answer to some fucking faggot boss or coworker. It’s incredibly based but again you have to sacrifice a lot of your twenties to reach this stage and also make calculative decisions to set yourself up for it socially as well as financially. LINK will be the icing on the cake for me.

>> No.18876120

>>18874531
I'm only 19yo and I know this feel. I'm currently having my one fifth life crisis because SWtCW just ended and I feel fucking weird. It doesn't get better, does it?

>> No.18876157

>>18875964
Have more fun bro. Don't waste your youth on the retarded "WORK 24/7 365 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SUCCEED" mindset. Good job though, and remember that it isn't a loss untill you sell. I hope you have only put more in the market since the crash.

>> No.18876162

>>18874531
26-30 is when I got the most pussy. Like new girl every week on average. Take advantage. You will not get an opportunity like it again.

>> No.18876169

>>18874560
>you screw less
dear god please don't be true

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Why do you retards always assume that there's some sort of archetypical thing that happens to you according to your age. That your "thirties" have x and x happen.

>> No.18876541

>>18876517
just normie things

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>>18874531
idgaf the singularity will happen so nothing matters

>> No.18876571

32 here. shit sucks. when does the fucking war start, i want to bathe in chink guts.

>> No.18877095

>>18876560
What did he mean by this .gif?

>> No.18877175

>>18876169
it sounds bad but really it frees you as a man to focus on more important things like building wealth. you think with your dick less and this unironically makes girls lust after you more. kinda funny how it all works, but you really do stop giving a fuck it’s liberating. also young girls that wouldn’t give you a second look in your early 20s lust over daddy cock

>> No.18877215

>>18875309
>relying on a female
ngmi

>> No.18877312

Judging by these comments im by far the worst off person in this thread. I turn 30 in about 6 months time and im completely JUSTed

>> No.18877328

it is both better than ever before and a nightmare you did not know could be possible on this earth!

one thing is that 20somethings are absolute retards. 'you dont know what you dont know yet.'

enjoy

>> No.18877364

>>18874560
>you screw less
I'm having more and higher quality pussy than I ever had in my 20s. I'm currently banging a 16 year old (legal where I am). You're doing your 30s wrong.

>> No.18877376

i turned 30 6 months ago and i barely even have sex anymore. i finally have money and a new car and my own apt and a hot gf. i have no friends outside of work, parties are uninteresting, i quit smoking and drinking already. all i do is work, go home, shitpost and play vidya. my gf lives with me and we have sex maybe once a week. but before we lived together we fucked more often. i feel like 30s are all about stacking paper. im supposed to buy a house and impregnate a girl soon, it's god's intention. i know lots of 30 year olds who go to bars all the time but i did enough of that shit in my early 20s. i drank and smoked pot every day for years, in college taking 10+ shots nearly every night. abusing lots of opiates and benzos too, even ended up in the hospital once. but nowadays when i want to show face at a work related party im always the least drunk person. it's just not that fun anymore. i already wasted enough of my life """"""having fun"""""" which included being a NEET for 3 years from 22-25. now my only goal is to impregnate a cute girl and slave away at a 30 year mortage for the rest of my life.

>> No.18877386

>>18874531
Make quarter mil a year, have about 50k in net passive income.

Life is better then it was when I was in my 20s yeah.

>> No.18877405

>>18874531
I'm 31, have an appartment in Amsterdam, been with my 22 yo gf for 4 years now, she lives with me. Work as the mobile designer lead for a large bank. Life is pretty good now, had a fucking shit youth, but at some point i realised that there is only one thing i should care about and that is myself, fuck everybody else, fuck ur friends and family a bit less. Still play videogames for a couple hours a day, otherwise workout. Ive bought a small boat to maintain and go on the water once in a while. Waiting for my gf to have worked a couple of years so we can start having a kid and then buy a house, looking pretty moderate family life. But if you would have told me 5 years ago i'd call you an idiot.

>> No.18877457

>>18877376
Based, families are so rewarding

>> No.18877475

>>18874531
33 year old. I constantly have to diet or I'll get fat. My metabolism is shot. Ex wrestler here. I've been comfy drinking too much, I need to stop for a bit or else I'll be dead. Wife is driving me nuts with her constant questions and never stfus. Work is work and I hate having to go in but pays me 90k a year. Its men. I'd rather drink and play hunt show down on steam al day and be alone.

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>>18877376
> now my only goal is to impregnate a cute girl and slave away at a 30 year mortage for the rest of my life.
Yikes, I've been with my cute wife for 10 years. Having a child will completely fuck our relationship up. I barely want to talk to her because I have nothing to say. Women are so fucking uninteresting and boring. Once u get over the pussy, you find out there is nothing left. I cant grow from her conversations about the dogs or tv or how she hates the post office. Do not fucking have a child bro. Just live your life and gamble everything on oil stocks

>> No.18877620

35 year old boomer here
shit sucks
>In my 20s I coudl eat fast food 24/7 and was skinny. now I have to watch my diet and exercise or I blow up
>20s had zero resonsibilities. now job, bills, all that crap
>20s had tons of friends, now only a few buds left that I see maybe once every blue moon
>20s I was broke but having fun, going to parties, doing drugs, banging skanks. now Im responsible and my life is boring af just work work work paybills and taxes
>I have tons of disposable income but theres nothing cool to buy anymore. video games, movies, music have all gone to shit
>on the other hand Im too poor to afford a house and dont want to be a debt slave for 30 years
>health issues popping up
>less energy, balding
>unironically feels liek my dick is getting smaller
fuck this shit I feel like life peaked at 27 and its been only downhill from then on

>> No.18877626

I'm 25 and I feel like my life is starting to come together, just. I spent 17-24 chasing girls, smoking weed and just doing whatever I felt like. As a result I wasted all of my savings which could have got me on the housing ladder and I didn't learn anything or get a worthwhile degree. That said, you are only young once and I do not envy my junior doctor friends who have spent their entire 20s studying and being stressed and never having fun - all so they can be rich once the prime years are over.
I stopped fucking random arthoes and got engaged to a Salvadorian girl. She is far richer and more intelligent than me but for some reason loves me which is my sole motivation for not becoming a degenerate. She's going to buy us a house soon and we'll get a dog and become boring boomers. I always said I'd never settle down but once you get past the college years the reality sets in. Do you really want to be chasing pussy in your 30s? Getting wingmanned in bars? Sure, I could have wrung another decade out screwing freshers and role playing as a student but I think most people who live like that aren't happy. I'm getting into 'boring' shit like gardening, DIY, painting and learning a second language. I still play vidya and shitpost here but I am definitely shifting interests.

>> No.18877629

>>18875309
Until you get divorce raped and have to move in with your 75 year old mother. No thanks. I value my freedom

>> No.18877658

>>18877546
>I barely want to talk to her because I have nothing to say. Women are so fucking uninteresting and boring. Once u get over the pussy, you find out there is nothing left. I cant grow from her conversations about the dogs or tv or how she hates the post office.
So you married a dull working class girl and have decided it's easier to believe that all women are that boring and stupid than that you fucked up massively?

>> No.18877716

>>18877658
They are all basic. They lack original thought and be honest, you only keep a female around long term as a pocket pussy. You don’t have to put in effort blow a load in a hole

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>>18877175
This. I've been to a few parties and get togethers at night clubs and bars over the last few months after years of just nose to the grindstone effort at work and on my business. Had scores early 20's women offer to buy me drinks and make advances at me. The key? Acting like you don't give a fuck and like you don't want to be there.

>t. 33 years old who couldn't hit water even if he jumped out of a boat in his 20's.

>> No.18877777

Damn OP I thought I was the only one that had mid 20's crisis. Just starting wearing earrings again after 3 years and started to dress punk again and forcing my old friends to go to rave and shit. Was even thinking about buying a GTI or some Japanese pocket rocket but thankfully I'm /biz/minded and talked myself out of that

>> No.18877788

>>18877716
damn, you got hurt badly I can tell

>> No.18877786

>>18874531
>>>adv

>> No.18877791

>>18877777
Checked

>> No.18877802

>>18877777
>Just starting wearing earrings again
Faggot grow up and stop being a queer.

>> No.18877804

>>18877777
Nice fucking get. It only gets worse lad. Remember that we were all products of a society that incentivizes arrested development. Sometimes you have to simply shed your old skin and grow a new one. Every time you do so, you become leaner and more nimble.

>> No.18877828

>>18876162
lmao fucking larp post body

>> No.18877836

>>18877802
Men do as they please. I don't need to do what others deem as manly, that's a low t cope. I only take my earring off now to fight betas like you pretending to be alpha

>> No.18877894

The impression I get from threads like these is that life for men is generally better in their 30s than 20s.

t. 27 year old, been thinking and reading about this stuff more

>> No.18877955

>>18874636
if you're still here by any chance. How did you spend your 20s to end up as you did in your 30s?

>> No.18877968

>>18877836
Literal cope. You probably get fucked in the ass by niggers and use the same excuse you massive faggot.

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>>18877894
I was a depressed fucking mess for most of my 20's. I thought about offing myself almost daily from the time I was 21 until I was 26. It gets better because you simply stop giving a fuck. The hardest part about my 20's was trying to cope with the fact that literally no one gives a fuck about you after years of denial.

>> No.18877996

>>18877894
30’s are better. More money more freedom, less bullshit. Unless you were a dope and got married to a cunt at 25

>> No.18878001

>>18877968
>i only take dicks out of my ass to fight people calling me a fag

>> No.18878028

>>18877788
Women can’t hurt real men. Women hit the wall and become useless, fat and ugly. they are easily replaced. There is always another female around the corner who is more attractive. Also their brains are all the same. Like little robots ready for programming.

>> No.18878039

>>18874636
The problem with you lot is that you place women on a pedestal. Literally stop looking and trying in this department and they will land on your lap as if it were some sort of miracle. I've fucked more women in the last 2 years than I did in my entire life.

>>18876044
Curb your enthusiasm because it gets worse before it gets better. Not trying to shit on your parade, I'm simply speaking the truth.

>> No.18878053

>>18877723
it’s funny that I have this perspective at 27, I’m just more concentrated on money. I’ve had my fun as well, but I want to be rich in my 30s
>t. 4.8 BTC

>> No.18878090

>>18878053
You've got it figured out anon. Don't you wish you would have known this from the time you hit puberty instead? Kek.

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>>18878028

>> No.18878103

>>18878001
That was funny anon, but even if I was actually a fag I'd still beat you up and then you'd be dominated by a fag which would make you a faggot squared.
Also fucking twins is high test. Shootout to my boy Hadrian.

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>>18874582
>tfw I have 10% of the money I had in my 20s
I think about pic related daily

>> No.18878137

>>18878125
What the fuck did you do to squander it all?

>> No.18878150

>>18874531
I wasted it by not going out to Silicon Valley and seeking my fortunes. Seeing so many opportunities I didn't take hurts as I could be a multi millionaire by now.

>> No.18878163

>>18878150
You weren't going to make it anyway. If it were meant to be, you would have already been there. What did you do instead?

>> No.18878165

>>18878090
Yes, I wish I had discovered crypto earlier. I had my sights on making money since graduating at 21, and had big wins/losses. Lost my first $15k in TVIX in 2016 as I had no idea what I was doing. Had spectacular wins from that 2017 crypto run, up 600k but was still in grad school. Lacked perspective to re-invest and held to every single position, still managed to not lose it all and have BTC to this day. I will make it not once, but twice. And this is two times more than the opportunities most are given. This is what makes me believe you can make it at any age, it’s a mental shift that has to happen first though.

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>>18878137
Shitcoins, stocks. I wish I'd blown it all on material possessions, then at least I could look at a rolex and remember having tons of money. The ONLY smart thing I did was rent a dope penthouse apartment for three years. So during my college years I lived in the nicest place you could ever imagine. 10/10 worth it. Inb4 'why didnt you just buy a flat' mortgage companies refused me due to my lack of employment and I didn't want to throw all my money into a house.

>> No.18878258

Just remember there is someone struggling and have no future, if that comforts you.

I will be 29next month, working a low salary dead end job, graduated social sciences at the age of 25, you can't be worse off than me

>> No.18878343

I took the marriage route and am 35 this year. Met a squishy introvert gf and could not resist keeping her. We have a 6yo. We wasted all our money in 20's travelling and buying shit plus a baby is expensive but was lots of fun. Neither of us have family. I earn 50k and we have been saving for a house. I put away £500 in cash plus 1 eth, 50 link and £50 in what ever shitcoin has the best chance of a x10 per month. Only regret is not having the house we both want.

>> No.18878362

>>18878207
mortgage companies refused you because you are retarded and they are right to look for income streams not lucky get rich morons. you traded essentially 30 years of your life to live like a baller for 3 when you could’ve put it in diversified safer allocated investments. I’m going to assume you made around $500k-$1m because that’s around where these traps start capturing new money.

>> No.18878381

>>18878343
you don’t realize the hole you’ve dug and crawled in yourself unfortunately. you are not in control of your actions or your life

>> No.18878387

>>18878362
I did a similar thing and have no regrets. Having a sick apartment when you are in your early 20s at college is one the best things I have experienced , I wouldn't trade that for 80k cash in my 30's. All my friends were sharing toilets and crying over people not doing the washing up all day while I had a balcony and an island kitchen, got so much pussy. Saving money isn't everything

>> No.18878393

>>18875927
Godspeed mate

>> No.18878401

30s >>>> 20s. Anyone who disagrees wasted their 20s fucking around.

>> No.18878424

>>18878381
It's not bad, literally the only regret I have is still renting a 2 bed flat and I am working hard to fix that. Enjoy my Engineering job and have tons of hobbies like hunting and cycling.

>> No.18878453

>>18878362
Yeah I had made 800k so perfect guess. The apartment only cost me 50k a year (I went to college in a really cheap city), so that was 150k and it doubled as a home office so part of it was a tax write off. The other 650k was lost on bad investments.

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>>18878387
Based.

But what is more based is never needing money and being able to raise capital for whatever you want to do.

Aquire assets not money.

>> No.18878486

>>18875927
Check out the snake diet and snake juice Anon. You can totally sort this out if you put your mind to it and change your ways. All the best

>> No.18878505

>>18878424
sometimes i wish to become a blue-pilled normie again, life was so much simpler and less cruel. ignorance is truly bliss

>>18878453
time to rebuild, try not to be stupid the second time around

>> No.18878649

>>18878028
Based

>> No.18878724

>>18877175
straight up girls are more into you when you are older, esp if you are tough, established, and can keep them safe. girls want safety and you can't give it to them when you are 22 the same way you can when you are 32

>> No.18878748

>>18877475
al bundy is that you

>> No.18878753

>>18874531
The same as your 20's. I'm just glad I bought ETH 5 years ago instead of listening to BIZ call it a scam. 500x'd my money and am mostly in BAT / Suterusu now.

>> No.18878772

>>18874531
Completely fucked up post-28.
Now 37 and did literally nothing during my 30s. Was an unemployed NEET.

>> No.18878821

>>18878753
>Suterusu
You discord shills never get a break don't you?

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>>18874531
>I feel like the really fun years are behind me.
The care free no responsibility years, yes. Similar to when you were a teenager and the only thing you wanted was a car.
>establish a solid nest egg
Remember to experiment. Now that I'm in my 30s I would never do the 'van life' or whatever. I did blow all my money traveling Europe for a year in my 20s. I went broke doing so, but timed it to come back and start graduate school within a week. 10/10 highly recommend. Travel now. Burn that money.
>If you are single and have money
At first, then you notice all your friends getting married, having kids. Then you notice they're all getting divorced, and as your smoothbrain turns foldy, you start to notice all the cracks in those 'perfect' marriages.
>only better if
In the exact same way that having a car is better if you have friends that that neater car with no friends.
>a meme and what is reality
Join the club, Anons have been questioning this since the old days.
Watch this link though, it's really important.
Really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI

>> No.18879065

>>18878932
>that video
cringe

>> No.18879126

>>18874531
I had same feeling mid 20s, and ended up joining the military (a fucking disastrous choice). Now mid 30s and absolutely miserable and behind on all life milestones.

Mid 20s is last time you're still in age bracket you can get a potential waifu who isn't 100% roasted - take advantage of that.

Also mid 20s is when you first start noticing physical decline - nothing major but hangovers last longer, strenuous exercise/injuries take longer to recover from, weight loss takes longer etc - so start taking your diet and physique seriously or you'll blink and before you know it you're a mess in your 30s.

>> No.18879129
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>>18876571
Indisputably based.

>> No.18879249

>>18875964
Don't listen to these retards telling you to have fun.
If you're miserable, perhaps cut back on some financial work and replace it with intellectual or spiritual development

>> No.18879426

>>18879126
>ended up joining the military (a fucking disastrous choice)

Why is that anon? I'm 23 and looking at a career in the Australian Military (if they'll accept me). Seems like a good career choice with plenty of benefits to me.

>> No.18879480

>>18878821
> He still thinks SUTER is a discord tranny coin

>> No.18879576

>>18874560
this, but my health is going to shit already, cannot drink alcohol anymore, cannot eat too much meat anymore, had to reduce smoking, and my body is losing its shape
at this point i will just build wealth and a family, next year i'm going to make a hapa baby
the only partial regret i have is getting married too early, after 30 the amount of used up roasties giving away pussy for free with zero effort is fucking unbelievable (biological clock starts ticking faster for them, at 40 they are totally expired)

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>>18874649
>the structure thats formed to preserve wealth
the structure thats formed to keep you a provider slave into your grave and beyond

>children are cheap labor and they take care of you at end of life
>wife provides stability and prevents your from squandering money on randoms
>if you pick the right one
holy fuck how can someone be so naive in this day and age

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>>18878258
dunno man, im a year older than you and im pretty sure im worse off

absolute dogshit job with no upwards mobility, currently renting with 2 people that hate me, no gf, barely any friends, bought crypto just before the boom and didnt sell at the top, literally nothing to look forward to, and feel like offing myself every day. today was especially bad jesus christ, pretty much broke down at work. i have roughly 50k in cash if thats somewhat a positive

when most anons in this thread are better off than you and me (on fucking 4chan out of all places) you know we're fucked

>> No.18879702

during my 20 i was an absolute mad man anyway
john mcafee style
i had a lot of fun, but i also managed to finish a steem master and work in different continents
my only suggestion is don't waste time playing vidya, and go outside, meet people, build strong friendships, both for career and your personal life
some of my ex colleagues were fucking extreme, it was great to drink with them and work on nice projects as well
now i'm mostly a family man

>> No.18879784

>>18874582
>You are more attractive to most women.

Lol nice cope you boomer pedo

>> No.18879994

>>18875927
>full Diabetes
>FULL

dumb Mutt detected.

>> No.18880061

>>18874531

I'm 36, I've been married for 10 years now. If you think it's bad now I'll just go ahead and let you know it just gets worse. Sure, I have a little more money, my wife has a good career, but not much more. Still can't really afford a house. I have a 6 month old boy who shits and cries all day. My early 30s weren't so bad. But it's really hit me the past couple years, the fact that it's over. My life is just working as much as possible, working around the house, changing diapers, looking at my bank accounts and charts and wishing I had some more money, and taking care of two emotionally needy people. There is no excitement. The only thing to look forward to a retirement and social security that probably won't be there

>> No.18880132

In 20s if you are not neet as a male you probably think you will own the world. Then you run into all kind of wrong people, then you gain all kind of experiences. Then you turn 30 - 35 and you know the world - how the people function, how the world functions. You are becoming aware who to stay away from. And you lay low and do your thing. Then you start to understand that when someone underestimates you it is your strength not weakness. You stop trying to prove yourself to the people, just keep doing your thing and that is where the improvement starts. And then you understand it all.

>> No.18880153

>>18874531
When you're 30+ then you are getting old. All sensations lessen. Sex is less pleasurable, you get less horny. You slow down.

>> No.18880169

>>18880061
The boy will stop shitting and crying soon. Don't give up on him.

>> No.18880241

>>18875309
This anon gets it

>> No.18880310

>>18875927
Type 1 or 2?

>> No.18880350

>>18880132
Fucking based right here. Tell your greatest life learning experience anon.

>> No.18880431

>>18880132
>You are becoming aware who to stay away from. And you lay low and do your thing. Then you start to understand that when someone underestimates you it is your strength not weakness. You stop trying to prove yourself to the people, just keep doing your thing and that is where the improvement starts.
Thanks anon for confirming this, I started suspecting this year and my life began improving dramatically. There's just very little "upside" to proving yourself, and I say this as someone who's very competitive.

t. 20 yo zoomer

>> No.18880484

>>18880350
Many other things here are discussed here daily but one thing to mention:

- Stick to the good people who you progress with and give your part. The jerks who look cool ( wolf of wall street types ) or other charismatic types are who you should avoid in close contact. At some point they will stab you.

>> No.18880570

>>18880484
>Stick to the good people who you progress with and give your part. The jerks who look cool ( wolf of wall street types ) or other charismatic types are who you should avoid in close contact. At some point they will stab you
How do you find good people though anon? I had job offers to go work on Wall Street and I turned it down because I was worried about working in that type of culture. I reasoned it's not worth 130-140k a year, but kind of feel like I'm getting left behind

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>>18874531
i'm still on 4chan. feeling no progress in life.

be careful about your 30s anon, old age sneaks up on you. me going from 28 to 34 happened very quickly.

most important lesson is to take care of your friends and to not think that "once i have X i'll do Y", just find a way to do Y

>> No.18880708

>>18880570

I must confess I got suckered in by this book https://www.amazon.com/Buy-Side-Street-Traders-Spectacular/dp/0770437176.. All the drugs, hookers and money seemed like fun. Then in the end of real experience I understood that the hookers and "high end drugs" are the only thing that kept guys like that writer sane, the stress is just so high. Competitive finance is good learning ground. And you learn a lot there. But I'd say the experience was painful for me. Going home in the evening and feeling zero emotions was a new thing for me - feeling exactly like the guy in American Psycho. Telecom, startups and such "generic" things are where many good people are. I don't know much about how it is in physical labor fields.

>> No.18880752

Seething boomers in this thread. I'm 18 and just signed my 110k contract. LMAO@ failures that think they can change past the age of 20. Like, cmon guys, you can't be THAT delusional.

>> No.18880776

>>18879249
Based.

>> No.18880836

>>18880061
60s come you’ll become happier anon don’t worry

>> No.18880853

>>18880752
1.8/10, lazy effort

>> No.18880858

>>18880752
>my 110k contract
In what?

>>18880708
Thanks fren

>> No.18880879

>>18880153
Really? I still cant last more than two minutes inside my wife and I've been fucking her for 12 years....

>> No.18880905

>>18880061
> My life is just working as much as possible, working around the house, changing diapers, looking at my bank accounts and charts and wishing I had some more money

Aside from the changing diapers part, I'm right there with you. Aside from lifting, literally my only non-work activity is personal finance. And always like you said, wishing I had more money.

>> No.18881196

So many normies ITT. I'm a mentally ill neet failure weirdo and my 30s are better because I feel at peace with who I am whereas I spent my 20s hating myself for being different.

>> No.18881277

>>18880153
not if you go on TRT

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>>18880604
“just find a way to do Y”
Very wise, indisputably based.

>> No.18881335

>>18877364
>16 year old
Yikes. That’s incredibly creepy and wrong

>> No.18881391

>>18881335
And also incredibly based.

I bet that pussy ridiculous

>> No.18881589

>>18880853
Cope harder

>>18880858
Geometric Astrology

>> No.18881615

>>18881196
/biz/ has always been somewhat of a normie board right from the beginning but these threads bring them out of the woodwork thats for sure

>> No.18881631

>>18880879
You don't cum because it "feels too good" lmao. You could cum with a numb dick, try SSRI and find out

>> No.18882111

>>18881589
>Geometric Astrology
Lmao, how did you get involved with that/land that position?

>> No.18882164

>>18879609
>he doesnt believe in the power of love

take the tradpill cuck

>> No.18882567

>>18878505
not him but what is blue pilled about having a family you love? are you really that cynical? you can have a family AND fulfilling jobs/ hobbies and interests, its just a compromise

>> No.18882646

>>18880752
faggot zoomers get off my board REEEEEEEEEE

>> No.18882687

>>18882111
are you retarded?

>> No.18882697

>>18880169
this. and who knows? you may actually enjoy spending time with him, teaching him about the world, seeing the look of excitement and wonder in his eyes as he experiences life.

>> No.18882940

>>18882697
And what happens when the cycle repeats and he gets back in the same emotional rut as his father, with his son being his only interesting "hobby" in his life? I dunno dude, it just sounds like a self-centered cycle that just keeps playing out ad-nauseum.

>> No.18882955

>>18882687
>implying there isn't some roastie compant that pays some retard to make up math shit for their star dust predictions

>> No.18883009

>>18876169
Horny kid detected
Trust me you will be better off screwing less, stressing about women less and building your dream.

I am 33 in a few months and having the best time of my life right now. 20s were fucking horrible, aimless, confusing, insecure clusterfuck

>> No.18883031

>>18881335
if she's into it then who gives a shit. i've seen relationships like that and the girl is usually mature for her age.

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>>18877364
>16

>> No.18883078

>>18881631
Nope, went on SSRI and most definitely couldn't cum

>> No.18883103

>>18875309
Until she decides to quit working and just live off your income. You'll see.

>> No.18883163

>>18882940
>I know my parents and grandparents and great grandparents all continued the bloodline so their ancestors efforts weren't in vain but I'd rather my life be about me and end all their efforts, you know?
I thought boomers were bad but millenials really are the Me generation

>> No.18883288

>>18874531
>I feel like the really fun years are behind me.

kek i've felt this since i was 16

>> No.18883326

>>18883163
I have a child, you idiot. Anyways, yes, Lord knows that my child isn't their own person, but they are indebted to live their life how I want to. How loving and not self-centered/"""me""" as you've put it.

>> No.18883462

>>18874531
focus on your health and your money. disregard females as much as you possibly can until you are established. 30s are great if you have your shit together.

>> No.18883482

>>18874531
you’re blowing it idiot. spend your money partying, traveling, and fucking as many women as you can. once you’re in your 30s you’re too tired and beat down by life and responsibility to enjoy any of that stuff. this is coming from someone who did exactly that. I was able to keep living that lifestyle until I was 33 cuz I look really young and make a lot money but eventually the fire inside goes out. nothing excites me anymore and I’m always tired and apathetic. and yes I exercise and eat healthy it’s not that. thankfully I have a high paying career and hot gf that loves me but god damn I would give anything to be 26 again. being old sucks I’m so tired bros.

>> No.18883971

>>18874531
Worse than yours or better than yours, it makes no difference either way... discard & abandon the past, for it is dead; free of it, you may be in the living present with free reign to build whatever future you choose.

You could be a jannie!

>> No.18884111

>>18874560

33 year old here, this is factually correct.

>> No.18884145

>>18883031
This
But for me 18+
If a 50 year old lands a legal age teen chick good for him tho

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A lot of these anons that "figured it out" later in life seem to mention they were wild in their 20's. It seems to me they always had the drive, or the zest of life in them. I'm only 22 but have no such spark, never really did. I don't have the will to succeed, or even honestly evaluate what I wan't in life. Maybe with age that will be become more clear, but I already feel like I have given up and will never find something that makes me wake up in the morning. At least I have some self awareness of this flaw, which could be a start

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>>18874531
U people are fucking retarded. U tards have some imaginary crisis due to your consumerist and comfortist needs and due to having no goal in your life other than making more shekels for satisfying those two needs. Remember retards no matter how much money you had, u will still want more. U think that those rich folks are crisis-free? They are literally you, just richer. I wish i had a bullet for all of you useless cunts.

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>>18884471
somewhat based

>> No.18884547

>>18874582
>more attractive to most women
maybe to 30 plus roasties and nobody wants that

>> No.18884575

>>18884471
based, so many normie scumfucks itt

>> No.18884608

>>18884413

Drink warm salt water in the morning.
works for me.

>> No.18884685

>>18874560

I’ve fucked more women at 35 than I have in my entire 20’s.

Not only the quantity of women is higher but the quality as well. 20-29 year olds love guys in their 30’s, were more mature have money a nice place to live, etc. 30-40 year old women know that guys in there 20’s don’t really know how to fuck either so we get those women as well.

Honestly, I wish I could stay 35 forever, it’s fucking incredible.

>> No.18884688

>>18884413
same, spent all my 20s listless, aimless, NEETing, no romantic interests and no hobbies. Just a weird little schizoid wandering around in a fog of ennui.

32 now and nothing has really changed either. In some ways I feel like the ultimate NPC, completely inert and without inner fire. In other ways I feel like the only one who's not an NPC, as all these other things that people spend their whole lives chasing and fighting each other over like money, women, fame, hell even shit like spiritual fulfillment and life experiences and wisdom, they all feel like empty pursuits to me and I wonder why anyone bothers.

>> No.18884734

>>18881589
>>18882111
I am a thermonuclear astrophysicist and all I had to do was study last night and they hired me on the spot the next day.

>> No.18884756

>>18874531
In response to many of the posts here complaining that their lives are boring and inexplicably blaming it on their age.
If you are bored: you are boring.
It's as simple as that.

>> No.18884843

>>18884688
>hell even shit like spiritual fulfillment and life experiences and wisdom, they all feel like empty pursuits to me and I wonder why anyone bothers
This is exactly how I think, I'm aware I am the odd one out at least and have learned to not let it make me become misanthropic. The people that recommend spiritual progress seem to have the most earnest advice, but the word is meaningless to me. I've never felt anything like that, and do not actually know what it means. I just drift along, not even depressed but seemingly empty

>> No.18885046

>>18884756
Very true, plus they complain about health and probably have shitty diets and don't workout. Major cope going on here.

>> No.18885111

I am now more financially stable and confident. My 20s were spent partying and living, my 30s are about building my net worth and networking in my career to advance.

>> No.18885133

Maybe some of you guys need some kind of trigger to get some fresh perspective on things.
Do something along the lines of
- go to weird techno party
- travel to somewhere really alien place
- go ride a race car on track

... something that would take you out of your comfort zone

>> No.18885262

>>18884547
Being in your 30s and having a solid career, decent car, and maturity are definitely attractive to women. I notice women are much more friendly towards me now that I am "validated"

>> No.18885304

>>18874531
There are pros and cons. Statistically, 33 is most people's happiest year because you are more settled in your family and career, while your body hasn't gone to shit yet.

Pros: know more shit, less insecure, have the capacity to enjoy the finer things in life.

Cons: body starts falling apart--can't really play sports anymore. Dating is a lot harder or non-existent. Dreams you had as a kid/teen are dead.

As long as you have a source of income and plans in place to start a family, you'll be fine.

>> No.18885350

>>18874531
cumming in 20 year old QTs in my own house
compound interest of investments have paid off over the last decade
also the pay rises stack up but then if you've any sense you go self employed to limit the ceiling on what you can earn.
starting to notice that I can't do as much as I could physically in my 20s but it hasn't been that much of an issue yet (just turned 35)
have less friends but I'd rather have a handful of good friends I can rely on than hundreds of 'friends' that are more in the category of <activity> buddy. the older I get the less I give a shit about what others think.

>> No.18885374

>>18874560
What's less than zero?

>> No.18885461

You have to be challenged. Sitting on your ass while someone else pays your way doesn't build character. It took me leaving the military and being so broke after paying for trade school that I lived in my 2001 ford escape while job hunting, to motivate me. Dont worry about keeping up with the Joneses, and dont worry about having to "have it all figured out" just make good choices and dont be afraid to cut people off who bring out the worst in you. I dont even talk to my two best friends from HS anymore because I realized they were terrible influences and really didnt contribute anything positive to my life as an adult

>> No.18885530

>>18882111
Checked btw
>>18884734
What the fuck dude??? Astrophysicist is nerd shit. I do astrology and only had to get a certificate from Vegas. I work as NASA, since they have new regulations which enforces them to include new innovative branches of science.
Everybody will just say that I'm larping but read into it. It's literally free money.

>> No.18885820

>>18885530
tell me how to get this free money

what's the path

>> No.18885897

>>18876157
All cash flows that don’t involve keeping me alive go right into the investment account

>> No.18886413

>>18879249
Based thank you anon

>> No.18886426

>>18875309
Graduating college in a week with my EE degree and will be legally married as of Dec 31, 2020 so I can get that tax benefit for 2020. GF of ~4.5 years will be going to law school for the next 3 years next to where my job out of college is located. Getting married changes my highest tax bracket from 22% -> 12% and my standard deduction is doubled, aka I'm getting an extra $7k a year in post tax money. Plan on legally being married low key for the taxes and then getting married "officially" at a later point in time so people our age will have time to get established/make money and can afford to travel to a nice venue.

All these anti-marriage anons act like there's a 99.999% of divorce. Both my GF and I grew up with divorced parents and we started dating through highschool and have successfully dated all through college and lived together for 2 years plus without any major problems. Most adults get married at like a 2 year mark with their gf and have been living together for less, or not at all. I am willing to bet big money my relationship pans out. Like I don't know anyone my age who's been this successful other than some Mormons and that's really just faux-success because they have to get married in order to have sex

>> No.18886598

>>18883031
Because she’s literally a child? The age of consent is meant for people around her age or other under 18. Not grown men...

>> No.18886607

>>18886426
USC is a shit law school

tell her to quit

>> No.18887033

>>18885304
I see men 40-50 at the skatepark. Ski slopes are totally full of old people. There is absolutely no reason you can't be physical well into your 50's before you have to even consider stopping entirely.

Sure, you won't be tempting fate, taking slams and hopping up - that doesn't mean you can't still have fun, get a great workout and a wonderful release. Not even considering lower impact activities, like hiking, swimming, biking, etc.

You are your own maker.

>> No.18887179

>>18877777
Digits wasted on earrings poster

>> No.18887234

>>18878092
Kek damn and I though /pol/ was depressing, 33 married good looking and lucky. Things are just different because people don’t give a shit about you. Your always thinking about accumulating wealth and being self sufficient. Banging whoors gets boring cuz their dumb and usually have std’s .

>> No.18887257

testing

>> No.18887266

>>18878401
This

>> No.18887344

>>18877175
This. And 'fun' matters less also, even tho you will still have it. You basically become less of a childish faggot - unless you have chronic basedbrain syndrome. Getting older has basically felt like leveling up over and over so far, and I'm 41. Just never stop working out or shit goes downhill fast.

>> No.18887377

>>18886426
That's the spirit anon, don't listen to these incels

>> No.18887441

>>18880061
For the curious, this is what chronic basedbrain looks like.

>> No.18887569

>>18874531

It’s pretty good if you don’t fucking suck. If you’re not doing anything with your life your 30s will hit hard. If you’re doing cool shit and not in debt you’ll feel pretty good. Also people are starting families later so there are still plenty of people in their 30s doing 20s shit. Not saying that’s, a good thing, just that even if you don’t have a family there will be people your age to hang out with.

>> No.18887705

>>18877546

Stop dating basic bitches. Find some smart weird girl with some cool interests.

>> No.18887733

>>18874531

31, absolutely loving my 30's so far. This will be a bit of a blogpost but I want to give you hope.

At 26 I invested 1.5 years and drained my savings to do a startup with a friend. It was moderately successful but ultimately didn't go anywhere. I was broke and moved back in with my parents at 27. I felt hopeless and lost. Total quarterlife crisis.

I found a job shortly after which yielded great experience but didn't pay well, and involved a lot of exhausting travel and brutal projects. I turned 30 fat, depressed, and jaded. I was also living with my parents again (although this time just for convenience, since I was living in paid-for digs in another city while on a long project, and leasing a new apartment in a month.) It felt pretty shitty.

I really wanted to change and I started by switching to self-employment, which paid very well, and gave me freedom to work on projects I wanted. I also cut about 30lbs through fasting (7-10 days) which fixed my metabolism, and then eating clean and working out.

I built up my client base in my expensive coastal city, then relocated to Texas, which is incredibly cheap and has an amazing quality of life. I am now happier than I have ever been. I'm making great money, keeping spending low, saving up for a down payment on a house, spend basically every day outside doing some form of activity. I work 100% remotely aside from flying out for meetings, which are now all zoom calls anyway. The lockdown barely affected me, I didn't even have to switch BBQ spots since my local joint kept running throughout the whole thing.

I currently live in a city, but am going to buy a house in a small town and spend the next chapter of my life establishing roots and becoming part of a community. I think the anomie and alienation of cities is terrible for mental health.

>> No.18887737

30s are only good if you have grown as a person. A lot of my friends do the same shit we did at 18, hang out smoking weed and drinking. That's the highlight of their week. Work comes and goes, money comes, bills come, money goes, and they are static in their position. They prioritize having fun over hard work and achievement. You might think fun is the most important thing in life (and it is important) but if you're acting like a teenager as a man in his 30s you aren't actually having that much fun. The thrill of doing drugs or chasing girls is gone. You just do it because that's all you know how to do while most of your peers have moved on. Buying your first house is also fun, and they don't have that option. Making the house better than when you bought it is fun, they don't have that option. Yardwork to them is a chore that benefits their landlord. Yardwork to me is something that makes MY house a shining beacon of my accomplishments. They are still giving their money to someone else, taking orders from someone else at work, while I'm giving orders and leading my own projects. My paychecks are going towards building equity in my house. My week nights are spent planning my next move once I have more money built up. Vacation home that produces income when I rent it out? Maybe. Maybe I'll just dump the money in stocks and buy an even bigger vacation home in 5 years that I don't need to rent out for side income. Do you think my teenage brain 30 year old friends have a five year plan? They float through life thinking one day they'll get a lucky break. Hint: there is no lucky break, only hard work and perseverance.
That was long winded but the point is your 30s are what you make of it. You can see evidence in this thread. Some guys act a decade older than their 20s, some guys are sad the same shit isn't fun anymore and their body is a little bit more sore. Here's another piece of advice: excercise you fat fucks. Men can be pro athletes into their 40s so exercise

>> No.18887738

>>18878028
This but unironically

>> No.18887833

>>18887733
cont'd

It's of course not all golden. I have less energy than I used to. Hair is thinning (although Nutrafol has helped a lot). Joint pain and posture issues from too much sitting, despite doing lots of corrective stretching and yoga.

Also, I'm finding it hard to meet good women. I have gone on a lot of dates through social circles, dating apps etc., but single women in their late 20s/early 30's who are single, want to have kids, and aren't unstable, incredibly cynical and/or financially broken, are VERY hard to find in my experience.

>> No.18888059

I don't know what to do, i worked all my 20's. I'm 32 now. I own a house, no mortgage, i've got some dollars aside. No girlfriend, no kids, no work for now. Should i just take a year off and travel the world?

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>>18888059
Go to Eastern Europe and snag you a piece of Slavic pussy pie

>> No.18888133

>>18888059
Quit your job and pick up the pieces once you come back from the vacation where you still have no gf? No. The job and working aren't why you don't have a girl. The job isn't holding you back from doing cool shit. Use your vacation to go somewhere fun for a week and use the other week to give yourself long weekends to do cool shit throughout the year. Careers are about momentum and no one wants to work with a guy who's tired, wants to quit, and run away. Stop coasting.

>> No.18888137

>>18888115
i like my money though

>> No.18888190

>>18888133
thanks, i don't have work for now though and no girl no car, no mortgage, no debt no children no life. I do own a house full out and have 20k$

>> No.18888239

>>18888137
Cost of living in Eastern Europe is extremely low compared to meme European tourist destinations (UK, Germany, Italy etc.)

You can take the road less traveled and explore smaller towns and villages, staying at comfy little inns and eating very well for very little money in comparison to other places. Check out bald and bankrupt on YT.

>> No.18888259

>>18874636
>>18875396
>hair transplant
How the fuck are you okay with taking estrogen pills the rest of your life in order to maintain the transplant?

>> No.18888277

>>18888239
Thanks, yeah i watched every video of him because that's maybe the way to go for now.

>> No.18888300

>>18877658
>>18877788
Haha cope harder roastie.

>> No.18888502

>>18882164
>take the tradcuck pill

>> No.18888509

like sand

>> No.18888528
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>>18884413
You just have naturally low brain activity, and probably live in an unhealthy way.

Do you drink coffee or take any stimulants already? Do you exercise?

If no to the first, eat some steak and eggs with strong coffee and literally just walk around outside in the sun. The food is for neurotransmitter precursors, the coffee and sun provide the actual stimulation.

If you don't exercise your brain doesn't get good blood flow, and slowly breaks down (look up BDNF and exercise).

It took me way too long to figure out this sort of thing. Don't make my mistakes, if you are healthy you are happy.

Also try not cooming for a week, see the results. One week that's it, worst case you just nut big at the end. Trust your fellow anon

>> No.18889272

>>18879685
Lmao. Keep in mind that 99% of people are lurkers on 4chan. The 1% that post are those with confidence boosted. I.e. those who are most likely to be experiencing success right now. You have the power too, somewhere in a deep past your great great great grandma was raped by the alpha Lord of the manor. It just take the right situation for your tribal leader genes to express.

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>>18886607
>USC is a shit law school
Lol no where in this post do I mention USC - you must be one of the salty anons from that thread last week where I was talking about this, glad to see you're still seething

Here's the salary data from USC Law School graduates for the class of 2018: <https://gould.usc.edu/careers/jd/students/statistics/>
>Median salary $165k in state
>Top 25th percentile all make $190k
> Mean salary is $136k
>Even lowest 25th percentile bottom of the barrel graduates get 78k starting

uSc iS a ShIt lAW sChOol

>> No.18890337

>>18874531
I've never been happier or more comfortable in my skin.
t. 36

>> No.18890431

>>18875441
Based

>> No.18890785

secret advice:
start taking testosterone the moment you hit 30. 250-500mg test-e per week.

you'll have more energy than teenagers and actually have motivation to do shit. your body is done developing and it's all downhill from 30, so dump some nitro fuel in your ass cheeks and start winning again.

>> No.18890925

>>18887733
Glad you made it brah

>> No.18890945

>>18890293
I make $78k starting and all I have is an engineering degree from a state school

>> No.18891057

>>18890945
I'm literally one week a way from my EE degree from a meme-tier state school. I am starting as intern with this company then moving to full time pay afterwards once I do well and my starting salary will be ~$75k. I got a full time offer from Western Digital for $75k + $3k signing bonus which is the same starting salary as you. I'm taking this intern gig because it's closer to where my gf is going to law school but I'm not worried about being converted full time. State school engineering degrees are pretty comfy

>> No.18891273

>>18888259
>tfw have long hair, deep norwood pattern and don't care because I have an great gf who doesn't give a fuck
>tfw my hairline makes men who are coping with myriad of drugs and transplants cringe and retract into their own complex
>my hairline actually scares copers

It feels amazing desu. The chad embrace is true, OH NO SECONDARY MALE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS??? A TRAIT EXCLUSIVE ALMOST TO REAL MEN? OF FUCK!

Only PUSSIES allow themselves to think like that. Try not giving a fuck sometimes and you will realize how wet it makes women. What's next for metrosexual "men", fear of facial hair? PATHETIC.