/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.18733169]

How in the fuck does speculating in the stock market/crypto bring ANY value to our society? How can anybody be allowed to make a fortune betting on companies while ordinary Americans who work hard to produce for our society go hungry? Justify yourselves you bourgeoisie scum

[Silvio Goldenstein !NiOVxJewL2 No.18733213]

>>18733169
>How in the fuck does speculating in the stock market/crypto bring ANY value to our society?
it doesnt
/thread

[Anonymous No.18733214]

>>18733169
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE MONEY GAMBLING

[Anonymous No.18733218]

>>18733169
>How does investing in a company help it grow and become better
Kys commienigger

[Anonymous No.18733221]

Just move to Cuba bro, oh wait you wont

[Anonymous No.18733228]

>>18733169
>99 people consensually lose money
>1 person gets all that money
>REEEEEE
Just admit you only care because you’re envious of that rich person. Everyone who participated in the stock market is consenting. Why can 100 people consent to a fetishistic gangbang but not to an exchange of assets?

[Anonymous No.18733230]

>>18733169
imagine not taking money from capitalist structures hand over fist and aspiring to be a global revolutionary/accelerationist financier.

[Anonymous No.18733231]

>>18733169
>How can anybody be allowed
>allowed
This is America, go move somewhere else if you want the government to decide what you're allowed to use your money for.

[Anonymous No.18733261]

>>18733231
America doesn't let me buy heroin and sell it in minority neighborhoods, this is bullshit

[Silvio Goldenstein !NiOVxJewL2 No.18733272]

>>18733218
well his question was bit dumber than that, he asks about speculation on investable assets. Which indeed does not provide any benefit but the idea that therefore there should be no market in general is flawed

[Anonymous No.18733289]

>>18733169
Bet you wish you had capital like me, broke commie junkie nigger.

[Anonymous No.18733294]

>>18733221

Why? Taking engines out of trackers n putting them in cars cause only diesel is available sounds like an honest day's work. Looking forward to my neighbor snitching on me too cause I got a new pair of shoes, I'm apparently living beyond what I should be to them. I'm only a doctor getting paid less than a door man at the local hotel - I just don't get it anon.

[Anonymous No.18733300]

VWOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.18733302]

>>18733169
The company needs money to purchase capital units, cover its operational costs, invest in research to improve output all while reducing efforts and hours needed.
To get that money she sells parts of itself
Securities
To attract investors she can give dividends and also display a spreadsheets that guarantees rise in value of the shares

[Anonymous No.18733331]

Stocks go up, just buy them and wait faggot

[Anonymous No.18733359]

>>18733272
Well if we are being technical, then yea I suppose his question was towards speculation. But like you said, the very existence of a market enables speculation. Regardless, OP is a dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.18733379]

>>18733213
So you admit it and don't care, literally a sociopath

>>18733214
Yes.

>>18733218
>investing in a company
Yes I'm sure your 5 meme stocks of TSLA are really helping the poor and distraught of society

>>18733228
The market shouldn't exist period

>>18733230
Fuck off Soros

>>18733231
>MUH FREEDUMB MUH RIGHTS
America is everything wrong with this fucking world. Literally scrambling to defend their right to support Israel and the global elite. KYS

>>18733289
>I've got mine, fuck you
I have a well paying job anyway; need to function in this broken society unfortunately. So cope more fucktard

>>18733302
so greedy companies aren't content with the labour they steal from their workers (profits), but this is a good thing. Also notice how those profits don't go to worker either.

[Anonymous No.18733399]

>>18733272

I guess someone that analysis the market using TA shouldn't be compensated for their time spent - according to OP.

[Silvio Goldenstein !NiOVxJewL2 No.18733437]

>>18733379
>So you admit it and don't care, literally a sociopath
wrong, you need a speculative market to allow money to be invested. I as a long term shareholder am benefitial to the business. The fact that theres 9 speculators between me and company is not as bad as my money sitting in bank and companies being unable to use them bcs we have no market for speculators since we care about their existence for some reason

[Anonymous No.18733451]

>>18733228
In a gangbang, everyone consent to get fucked. There's a little difference here.

[Anonymous No.18733500]

>>18733379
Kek workers don't create anything you stupid faggot. The smartfags that think up the blueprints to any product to ever exist create things. Workers simply do the work of fabricating the idea some other guy or guys created. If you are implying that the aforementioned smart guys that actually created the product and own the rights to it owe anything but side change to the nigros that fabricate it then you are an entitled faglord.

[Anonymous No.18733501]

>>18733379

> TSLA doesn't help the poor

That's where you're wrong kid. Tesla is on the forefront of renewable energy. Coal, oil n fracking actually harm the poor n society more so than not. You know cause of the environment n stuff. Tesla is finding a means of eliminating the need for such dangers to the environment through automation and renewable energy.

You just played yourself. You actually think the government does a better job? Didn't you know this administration just cut EPA n is supporting coal? Unless you want Obama back that'd killed thousands of kids in the middle East using drone strikes n also Americans too.

Damn commie

[Anonymous No.18733548]

>>18733169
>People in America
>Going hungry
Yes I know people do it, but in a country that produces like 3X more food than it needs every year, the only reasons people are going hungry are:
1. temporary sudden hardship,
2. choice/lifestyle choice,
3. sacrifice for other priorities (like living in a city in order to potentially getting a higher paying job)
4. Spending all of your stim check on chicken wings (I work at buffalo wild wings and can confirm this one)
and even then it's likely a statistically insignificant bit of the population

[Anonymous No.18733607]

>>18733437
>need a speculative market to allow money to be invested

??? Need? What fucking need? The only need of the market is to prop up the horrors of capitalism. A society doesn't "need" a stock market to function, unless there are workers to exploit

>>18733500
>smartfags that think up the blueprints to any product to ever exist create things

You mean the scientists and engineers whose labour is also exploited by greedy billionaires? Protip bud: you're never going to be a billionaire so stop defending their right to exist.

>>18733501
>capitalism is killing our planet and the system actively encourages destroying our planet with fossil fuels, industrial waste, pollution, etc.
>but it's OK guys, le epic ELON MUSK is going to solve all of our problems!

Retarded 16 year old, fuck off. Also Obama is a war criminal and we don't have a legitimate government that works for the people

>>18733548
>statistically insignificant bit of the population
Literally millions of Americans go hungry everyday. If that's insignificant to you, you're a sociopath

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States

[Silvio Goldenstein !NiOVxJewL2 No.18733625]

>>18733607
>What fucking need?
youre not so bright when it comes to basic economical knowledge huh?

[Anonymous No.18733634]

>>18733289
We gotta implement UBI or else the commies will vote for more taxes.

[Anonymous No.18733641]

>>18733607
Poorfaggots are always communist. Seethe more

[Anonymous No.18733655]

Mmmm
Crap....

[Anonymous No.18733661]

>>18733634

we don't want more taxes. that's liberals. we want billionaire heads on pikes

[Anonymous No.18733679]

>>18733625
>basic economical knowledge

Ah yes, my economics textbook written by neoliberals says that we NEED neoliberalism to work! Socialism can't work because the neoliberal textbooks said so!

>>18733641
I make 80k in a very affordable place, sorry I care about the plight of the common man over my own profits, sociopath

[Anonymous No.18733691]

>>18733607
You're missing the point faggot. Capitalism is based because it takes advantage of human nature and weaponizes our greed into the most efficient tool for fostering innovation and creativity. No one is going to create newer better things without a proper incentive. Tldr: Government consumes, it does not produce because it has no incentive to.

[Anonymous No.18733710]

>>18733679
No, you don't. You're the same seething poorfaggot retard who always posts these threads and call anyone who disagrees with you a sociopath. I hope you scrape together some money to pay rent this month

[Anonymous No.18733732]

>>18733169
>how can anyone be allowed
The burden is on you to justify why you should be allowed to disallow people from doing a given thing. Bringing value to "our society" isn't a moral absolute, and if it were all the welfare queens would be hung along with the brokers...and most of the brokers would escape because they actually help fund useful things to begin with. Fuck off tyrant.

[Anonymous No.18733737]

>>18733691

seethe

[Anonymous No.18733749]

>>18733661
See what I mean folks. Commies hate UBI. A vote for UBI is a vote against communism.

[Anonymous No.18733752]

>>18733451
There is literally no difference, everyone who participates in the stock market knows they can lose their money.

[Anonymous No.18733771]

>>18733691
>weaponizes our greed into the most efficient tool for fostering innovation and creativity

Ah yes, that's why our planet is dying, the rich are getting richer while the middle class stagnates, USA politics have become special interest riddled and absolutely POZZED, and we're all brainwashed on a daily basis by a bombardment of ads and the pervasiveness of toxic consumer culture. Yes, we surely do live in the best system available, thank you capitalism!

>>18733710
Imagine being so braindead you can't imagine someone being anti-capitalist and not poor. Read a book for once in your life

>>18733732
>MUH FREEDUMBS
Fuck off nigger, you aren't allowed to murder or fraud other people, and you shouldn't be able to exploit their labour either.

[Silvio Goldenstein !NiOVxJewL2 No.18733785]

>>18733679
yeah youre quite dumb, socialist countries also have speculative markets

[Anonymous No.18733786]

>>18733749

I agree with you. UBI is not marxist. It's a liberal, libertarian capitalist last gasp attempt to try to pacify the masses keep the house of cards propped up and the ruling class in power with class relations in place

[Anonymous No.18733803]

>>18733169
It doesn't create anything of value for society but I need money and I'm not getting a job.

[Anonymous No.18733808]

>no trailing stop limit orders
>no bracket orders

holy fuck why is robinigger so trash

[Anonymous No.18733815]

>>18733661
And what folk want is the heads of people who want the heads of other people on pikes, on pikes, so remember to stay in your basement because it's dangerous for murderous people in the US, because all those poor uneducated scum you look down on while claiming to want to help are allowed to carry a 9 and cap you if you try to start some Tale of Two Cities shit.

[Anonymous No.18733825]

>>18733785
>socialist countries also have speculative markets
???????????????????
Name one. And if you name a Scandinavian country or China as socialist, I'm filtering you for ultimate retardation

[Anonymous No.18733830]

>>18733771
Except you are not that. You are a seething poorfaggot who spends his days posting threads like these. I don't need a book to see you are poor. Crawl on back to your discord.

[Anonymous No.18733836]

>>18733737
One of the only innovative sectors of the Soviet nation was one driven by direct competition with the capitalist US. Ok thanks for proving my point faggot. Competition drives innovation, eat shit.
>>18733771
The current neoliberal soft socialism in place in the US is not capitalism retard. Welfare for corporations and endless debt spiraling stimulus is the opposite of what I praise.

[Anonymous No.18733844]

>>18733815
>And what folk want is the heads of people who want the heads of other people on pikes, on pikes,

sounds like they should impale themselves

[Anonymous No.18733852]

>>18733169
Free market of willing buyers and sellers.
A core tenet of Capitalism.
Just like private property and rule of law discouraging people from violently taking your shit.

[Anonymous No.18733866]

>>18733169
It does not! Its one big gambling casino with special rigged rules and actors and we are just gambling to get the chance to ride this rigged game to be millionaires.

Its also a unregulated casino with millions of dollars. So its fun, except when its not regulated because the big guys go to the gov to make the gov pay for their gambling loses because they are "to big to fail". Told you its rigged.

>Justify yourselves you bourgeoisie scum
Cute you are an naive Utopian we want to survive in the real world.

And fooling the sub 50IQ population of functional retards into thinking the stock market is good is a part of it all.

The more you know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6qtc2_AQA

Do I also need to explain to you how other real life adult things work like government corruption?

[Anonymous No.18733878]

>>18733169
>fubu

[Anonymous No.18733881]

>>18733836

What about this current society do you believe is so innovative? We would have better off hunter gatherers.

[Silvio Goldenstein !NiOVxJewL2 No.18733900]

>>18733825
even Venezuela has stonks u fucking retard
OP is indeed absolute nigger Ima head out

[Anonymous No.18733909]

>>18733771
You are the thieving nigger here.
You use catch-all bullshit like "exploit" and "capitalism" to get around the undeniable fact that the vast majority of people choose to trade away some of the profits of their labor to dodge the risk and extra time and effort of marketing their products or services themselves, or having to deal with day to day market and profit variance, pay for their own healthcare and benefits, discipline themselves to keep a war chest for a rainy day, and so on.
Just because you're personally too stupid and deluded to acknowledge the existence of distribution problems and market risk doesn't mean they stop existing all of a sudden.
There is no special class to start a business. You can too, and you can even register your LLC for around $100 in the state of Maryland to make taxes easier, and you can implement flat wages, flat management, democratic leadership, literally whatever you want, but you won't because you're busy screeching that you'd be doomed to fail because someone else has more money and will bribe Congress to specifically take you out or something.
Socialism is a form of schizophrenia where you argue against the existence of consent-based systems and pretend to be liberating the people by forcing them to abide by rules which encourage masochism and discourage virtue and competence.

Anyways, I don't think you should be allowed to breathe good air that a useful person could instead, so do me a revolutionary favor and kys pls.

[Anonymous No.18733933]

>>18733169
>>18733379
>>18733607
>>18733679
Keys commie faggot

[Anonymous No.18733955]

>>18733881
>What about this current society do you believe is so innovative?
You posting on 4chan. Don't go down that rabbit hole.
>We would have better off hunter gatherers
There is no "we" about it.
You would not have done well in any hunter gatherer society. Parasites are purged.
You wouldn't do well in any society that is not Capitalism. The weak are taken out very quickly.

[Anonymous No.18733956]

>>18733218
When the Based CEO has to step in and call you a commie faggot, you know it's gone too far. Try making money OP, being poor does terrible shit for your psyche

[Anonymous No.18733969]

>>18733803
>It doesn't create anything of value for society but I need money and I'm not getting a job.
This.
>>18733732
>and if it were all the welfare queens would be hung along with the brokers
You understand a broker is only a far more smarter welfare queen, right?

[Anonymous No.18733976]

>>18733169
>why are people allowed to make voluntary agreements with each other without my approval?!

[Anonymous No.18733980]

All communists do is bitch and moan, don’t they?

[Anonymous No.18733984]

There's literally free brokerages everywhere online. You're a fucking idiot if you aren't at the very least trying to get ahead.

[Anonymous No.18733988]

>>18733169

Some of those hard working Americans are investing in crypto too. What the fuck is your problem? If you’re not happy with anything then give your stuff away to the homeless and kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.18734000]

>Be company
>Need money to expand
>Sell shares of company on public exchange for cash
>Use cash for business shit
>Reward investors with decades of fat divvies

I don't see a problem here.

[Anonymous No.18734021]

>>18733955

Capitalists are the parasites who don't work. Without the useful idiots who they have put on uniforms and sign up to protect their property they'd all be dead in a day

[Anonymous No.18734023]

18733830
You are mentally ill, I'm not giving any more (you)'s

>>18733836
> neoliberal soft socialism in place in the US is not capitalism retard
It's literally capitalism taken to its logical end. You literally see why capitalism is fucked but you're so brainwashed you call it "socialism" jesus fucking christ

>>18733866
Another capitalist admitting how sociopathic capitalism is yet being totally ok with it. Christ.

>>18733900
>dictatorship with a literal retard at the helm
>socialism
yeah, filtered

>>18733933
>Zion Don poster
yet another sociopath, keep them coming

[Anonymous No.18734035]

what value do philosophy and african-american women studies majors provide to society?

[Anonymous No.18734037]

>>18733272
>speculation on investable assets
Any investment is a speculation. Nobody would invest in something if they thought it would make them lose money now would they?

[Anonymous No.18734052]

I can see/understand disliking the current system, because you'd have to be blind or purposely retarded to ignore the injustices Current Year America faces on the regular - that being said, thinking anything close to resembling "Communism" is A) even possible in America or B) would benefit our country in any way, shape, or form is a mind-boggling LARP. Just total fucking la la land pretend bullshit.

[Anonymous No.18734053]

>>18733749
Communists don't like UBI because ring wing proponents want to use it to replace all social safety nets. Left wingers in the US seem to like the job guarantee more whereas support for UBI is more split. You can thank Stephanie Kelton for that.

[Anonymous No.18734074]

>>18733379
>The market shouldn't exist period
The market doesn't actually exist commie. Never has and never will.

This is only a bullshit word brokers and economist use to fool gullible idiots like you.

If you did not figure this out you are simply stupid.

[Anonymous No.18734079]

I will answer your question

>Company wants to go corporate
>sells shares of ownership of its companies
>speculators exist in everything and are largely irrelevant (you and me) but large hedge funds and other companies will try to buy shares of ownership in this company
>Why? Because they are interested in buying in at $5 and helping to make good business choices so that it becomes $10
>low level speculators are just in for the ride
>Selling shares also allows the company to acquire a lot of capital and money for more self-investment

it is also important for a company to keep their share value UP so they don't get taken over in a hostile take over (another company buys up to get majority shares without the board wanting them to)

going corporate essentially allows a company to create the equivalent of castle walls. Other companies can join in and build that wall with them and others can lay siege.

[Anonymous No.18734084]

>>18734023
;^)

[Anonymous No.18734101]

>>18734037
Don’t even bother. All these very intelligent communists have their heads so far up their own asses that they have no way of surviving without coming after other people’s’ wealth.

[Anonymous No.18734121]

>>18733169
Because it helps the market in its overall goal of allocating capital efficiently to companies who will make the most productive use of it. These companies see their share price rise which allows them to raise capital at attractive prices to reinvest in the business and benefit both themselves, their shareholders, and their customers.

A robust and well functioning financial system is what separates first world nations from African shitholes.

[Anonymous No.18734124]

>>18734079
cont.

Buying shares in a company allows you to vote on board executives. As you can imagine, if a hostile takeover happens, a company can vote for their own people to join the board and fuck you over.

If hedge funds want you to succeed, they may buy 20% of your stocks and try to work closely with you and it puts more pressure on you to be good.

[Silvio Goldenstein !NiOVxJewL2 No.18734139]

>>18734037
well you can park your money in gov or corporate bonds on pretty straight forward loan to interest gain I wouldnt call it speculation. and value investing doesnt necessarily imply price of asset going up
>>18734101
next time check thread before taking things out of context, brainlet

[Anonymous No.18734141]

>>18733379
>the market shouldn’t exist period

Oh no, he’s retarded.

[Anonymous No.18734152]

>>18734084

I don't understand why discussing economic systems and which one would be best for society wouldn't belong on here

[Anonymous No.18734180]

>>18733169

[Anonymous No.18734197]

>>18733379
Look I try to be nice however you eat all the Marx bullshit and talk like a total lunatic.

>so greedy companies aren't content with the labour they steal from their workers (profits)
There is no stealing and you literally can never defend this.

>Also notice how those profits don't go to worker either.
So corporations never pay their workers ... this is a interesting position or are you saying that the pay workers get comes from something else ??? Government? Aliens? ??? God???

Here is how the real world works some people are in a better social position and get more money. All I want is to get more money and not be one of the underclasses.

PS: Your Communist utopia will be equally shit all you oppose is capitalism and with a flick of the word blah blah you end up in the same or worse place we have now only with different names and word games

>Rejoice comrade you are in communism now! I take 99% of the money and you can have 1% of it!
>No No comrade I'm not a capitalist. I don't own this factory, the people own this factory! I only manage it for the people!
>What profits ?! Oh no comrade read Marx in communism there will be wealth inequality and the goal of Marx's and Communism is not to give equal pay to everyone! Its to abolish capitalism! There is no capitalism now comrade! Rejoice comrade you are in communism now!

Read Marx on this subject.

[Anonymous No.18734237]

>>18733169
it doesn't.
We live in degenerate times and it pains me greatly.

[Anonymous No.18734241]

>>18733379
>So you admit it and don't care, literally a sociopath
We're here to make money, why does this trigger you so much? Society isn't worthy of anything beyond being exploited, people these days don't even know their neighbors. There's nothing to do but pick at the corpse.

[Anonymous No.18734254]

>>18734079
>>18734124
This seems like a pretty good explanation. Maybe some of OP's struggles just come from a lack of understanding stocks/shares in a company?

[Anonymous No.18734256]

>>18734152
Because this is a board for business and finance. Not politics. Every Marx thread I've ever reported got deleted eventually
Time to head back to >>>/pol/ you cancerous tumor

[Anonymous No.18734277]

>>18734254
his struggles come from being both ignorant and opinionated and unwilling to actually learn why he's wrong.

[Anonymous No.18734278]

>>18734256

It's politics so much as everything is politics. We are talking about consumerism and UBI, economics is business. Or maybe we should just stick to making posts with tranny asses that say buy SKY, that's what the norm is

[Anonymous No.18734322]

>>18733169
OP, it's all a scam. Only intermediaries make profits in the stock market. Banks, hedge funds and so on.

Only wannabe retards waste their few bucks gambling in the securities market. While Shlomo charges fees for every operation, that's how the game works. It's like a casino for retards.

[Anonymous No.18734363]

>>18734278
>dude everything is politics so I should be able to spam every board with off-topic /pol/ shit
Thankfully the rules don't agree with you

[Anonymous No.18734415]

>>18733169
You do need money to bet on said things. Myself I get that by "producing for our society" you turbocunt

[Anonymous No.18734419]

>>18734254
I had the same question as he did

I was like
>wait what is even the purpose of the stock market. Are we just chasing after highs and speculation?
And I did a bit more research. The stock market exists for the big boys to conduct actual business, but it's a very accessible profitable enterprise that speculators are welcome.

[Anonymous No.18734479]

>>18733169
Capitalism

[Anonymous No.18734490]

>>18734023
>Another capitalist
I'm not a capitalist, fun fact I don't own any factories or employ any workers.

>capitalist
Actually riddle me this, how can a speculator be a capitalist? Use Marxian theory to justify why speculators are capitalists.

>sociopathic
Actually YES. Here is the thing I'm smart and a predatory alpha this makes me superior to beta sheeple like you. Your collectivist heard mentality will never accomplish anything since the dawn of time betas like you where controlled by alphas. You can see this in animals and to think that a evolved animal like human have a different psychological makeup is absurd or are you going to tell me humans did not evolve and god created us like the bible says or some garbage like that (the secular creationist argument).

Sociopathy is genetic superiority, your fagotry is slave mentality.

Tell me is your workers or working class is real why will real life workers fight communist revolutionaries like you? Why will all the workers not unite and end capitalism?

Because 90% of humans are fucken retarded

>b-b-b-b-b I want to save everyone
to bad over 60% of all these workers will back stab you or actively fight you. Explain how this is possible?

You can not, you live in a fantasy world, the majority of humans are retarded or have other mental defects making them unsuitable for organizing anything.

This is why the alphas the sociopaths have controlled the masses since the dawn of time.

You seriously think there is something magical about capitalism? I try to do my best to improve my social standing in any system.

You seriously think in the USSR I don?'t do my best to join the inner party and be your superior?

Since the dawn of time sheep like you where lead by wolfs in sheeps clothing. Be it in religion or capitalism or communism simply the bullshit that is thought to the masses changes.

From god to "the market" to communism.

[Anonymous No.18734537]

>>18734490
>Sociopathy is genetic superiority, your fagotry is slave mentality.
lmao

humans are instinctively tribal. The idea you can be sociopaths is honestly delusional and inexperienced.

If you ever became a millionaire and got invited into a secret social group (like the many that exist), you'd be expected to be immediately moral and loyal to your group.

Machiavellianism only applies when interacting with outside groups that are not your own and that is an advantage. IE. not letting immigrants come into your country but holding a block party for your neighbors is a low level example.

[Anonymous No.18734582]

>>18733691
No it’s not based it reduces us to consumeristic individuals with no sense of community and pits all of us against eachother in a competitive environment that is rigged in favour of the Jewish parasites that leech all our wealth away.

What’s based is a economic system that is tailored to serving the best interests of the race of your people. Capitalism is only based if you are a Jewish parasite.

[Anonymous No.18734611]

>>18734582
Pure ancapism or libetarianism is jewish shit, yes. However, the concept of capitalism is not. It depends on the racial and cultural makeup of a nation. yes, most people need a rigid government to help push them in the correct direction together, but capitalism does offer a unique freedom for class movement.

[Anonymous No.18734664]

>>18733169
None of those people would have jobs without investor to foot the bill, retard

[Anonymous No.18734710]

>>18734537
>humans are instinctively tribal.
Did I ever say otherwise?

Here is the thing you don't understand because of evolution 90% of this tribe is fucken retarded and is ruled by the 10%.

Explain why kings ruled over 90% of the population?
Explain how was this even possible?
Explain how preachers and cult leaders can get people doing whatever they say?
Explain how was this even possible?

The idea here is if you are to dense to realize the words that are created by another special interest group the psychiatrists where literally everything is a mental disorder BTW.

I'm not here to literally and systematically kill every single human that exists next to me. Here is the thing 90% of people are fucken retard, I know this and I have no problem taking a slice of the cake from these retards to have more cake for myself. Not only this I can fool the 90% retards to even freely give me the extra slice of their cakes.

I'm "psychopathic" in the sense that I have no mental spasms or mental defects if I sacrifice 1 other human, 1 death will not end civilization and kill in the trolley problem way.

I'm not some cartoon character that literally kills every human he is in contact in because it makes my penis hard or something. Nice straw man way of thinking BTW.

[Anonymous No.18734717]

>>18734582
Oh, a stormlarper taking the the third position. That's so epic dude. No just because I recognize the superiority of capitalism on the left/right economic spectrum does not mean I support neoliberal debt rape and other such kikery. I'm not retarded, I know that there still needs to be some regulations to prevent excess amounts of labor/environmental abuse and obviously we can't have trusts/monopolies. Nonetheless, it is still undeniable that the capitalist model at the most basic level is superior to the socialist model of a controlled economy.

[Anonymous No.18734740]

>>18734023
How is the government intervening and bailing out corporations with debtslave fiat Monopoly money capitalist? The state imposing controls on the economy and stifling true competition sounds very socialist to me.

[Anonymous No.18734751]

>>18734710
>Here is the thing you don't understand because of evolution 90% of this tribe is fucken retarded and is ruled by the 10%.
You're right. I'm a monarchist and a follower of NRx philosophy. I also agree that the average person is too dumb to live a completely free life. They require guidance, much like water flowing down hill will be a flood while if you dig lines, it will become irrigated and productive.

However, you have a childlike mentality towards power. The average person in relation to a powerful wise man is like a child. A king is much like a father or parent to his subjects and must tend to them as so. He isn't an edgelord. He has a mantle of responsibility and caring. Subtle subliminal suggestion and manipulation can be done with a benevolent loving hand.

[Anonymous No.18734763]

>>18734717
>at the most basic level is superior to the socialist model of a controlled economy.

You live in socialism you idiot!
> controlled economy.
A Planned economy literally makes no sense since everything was planed since agriculture was invented.

[Anonymous No.18734777]

>>18733169
>Implying our society has any value

Money makes the world go round , always been like that. People are scum, so are you hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.18734800]

>>18734763
>You live in a socialism idiot
There you go again with you faggy oversimplification. No, the current system is no socialist or capitalist, it has elements of both and I have been criticizing the socialist elements.
>Everything was planned since agriculture
What did he even mean by this?

[Anonymous No.18734837]

>>18733169
>how dare the workers own the means of production

Communists are stupid

[Anonymous No.18734872]

What is this mess of a thread and why is it being posted on /biz/? Why do people feel the need to discuss politics on a finance board?

[Anonymous No.18734941]

>>18734872
finance and politics are intertwined.

[Anonymous No.18735006]

>>18734751
>You're right. I'm a monarchist and a follower of NRx philosophy
Wait a second since when did I stop talking to the communist?

>benevolent loving hand
Trust me if I was the dictator of the world I create the closest thing to utopia that is possible. Only this is unobtainable in today's climate.

Recognizing this I have no compulsion about improving my own status by exploiting today's system.

I speculate because it bets me money it quite literally steals food from the mouths of working class normies however I don't give a shit. This system is fucked and I have to survive somehow and most of these normies are fucken retarded so no regrets there.

And in my utopia exploits like speculation would be stooped.

>He isn't an edgelord.
I'm explaining to you how the real world operates without the BS the ones in power use.

I'm saying psychopath in the way like a general. Do you think its even possible to fight wars when a general has panic attacks over losing 1 warrior? No real life wars are fought like chess where every subordinate is only a pawn, canon fodder to be sacrificed to achieve the goal.

This is why I'm saying that psychopathy is literally mental superiority while someone who will have a faotry mental defect and get panic attacks over sacrificing 1 man will lose a war.

Fagotry is a mental disorder. This is what I'm talking about.

You noticed I also did answer the OP question without any BS and told how it really is, I find starting with the truth and not marketing words is the best way to a fruitful relationship.

[Anonymous No.18735057]

>>18734800
>What did he even mean by this?
Corporation plan how many products to produce. literally since we started to plan how many seeds to plant in the field everything was planed. Literally everything that is manufactured was planed.

>it has elements of both
Yes the official wording for it is mixed economy. However I have seen ancaps go full insane saying that
> we live in 100% capitalism! How can you object to capitalism being wrong LOL look at the shiny things it gives us

and then flop to

> we live in 100% socialism look at how terrible our lives are

>There you go again with you faggy oversimplification
Sorry I just injected myself into this conversation we never talked before this moment.

[Anonymous No.18735147]

>>18735006
You're multiplying common sense to the nth degree and making it an edgelord ideology by pouring a desire for superiority and ego into it.

[Anonymous No.18735187]

>>18735147
>edgelord ideology
Whats wrong with that?
No you where told these things are bad by some guys who are there to control you or just crazy.

I don't know what your objection there is.

[Anonymous No.18735218]

>>18735187
you're too volatile a person for any group of powerful people to trust and align with because you're narcissistic.

I hope you're aware networking exists because rich people aren't sociopaths who only look out for themselves.

[Anonymous No.18735366]

>>18735218
>narcissistic
Another made up control word. The psychiatrist saying you you are psychopathic or narcissistic is not different from the pastor saying you are sinful.

Its a nonsense word made there to control your behavior.

>Hey i have this list where literally everything is a sin/mental disorder has fancy names for everything
Nope sorry have seen past this bullshit.

> rich people aren't sociopaths
According to whom? I told you sociopath is a bullshit control world psychiatrists made up. I can give you psychiatrists literally saying that rich people are psychopaths.

Psychiatry is like a religion in the growing, a state religion that has far to much power at this point, real life legal power.

>networking
Cool and you know me how exactly? Lots of assumptions you are making there buddy.

[Anonymous No.18735443]

>>18735366
>Cool and you know me how exactly? Lots of assumptions you are making there buddy.

it's easy. I've managed people like you before. Hot heads with a superficial desire for power and displays of narcissism.

In the end they get a little above average but hit a hard stop because
1) no one fucking likes them and wants to work with them/trust them/be friends with them
2) they make too many enemies and not enough friends

I recommend you read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Turns out despite being an emperor of Rome, he wasn't an autistic edgelord.

[Anonymous No.18735466]

>>18735366
Neither of the words are made up or even for controlling anyone. They are just descriptions of the problematic condition some people are in. These kinds of people have existed since the beginning of time. And yes they often are our rulers, but not always. We are paradoxically taught to beware of them in common life, but the most dangerous ones are the powerful far off ones that write the laws or your loans. It isn't necessary to be a psychopath to be a ruler, it just makes clawing your way up the ladder of power easier, since you can cast aside morality.

[Anonymous No.18735513]

>>18735443
I bet people love you when you bring up that you are NRx and a Monarchist.

Oh wait I just disproved your social agreement theory.

>narcissism
like explained before bullshit control word.
The fact that you keep using it and never questioned it shows your intelligence.

>Marcus Aurelius. Turns out despite being an emperor of Rome
You seriously think the ruling class writes down how they really think?

[Anonymous No.18735564]

i wish school would restart and you faggots would go away

[Anonymous No.18735586]

>>18733169
>bourgeoisie
Cringe. Marxist ideologies are just another jewish ploy for power.

[Anonymous No.18735589]

>>18735513
>You seriously think the ruling class writes down how they really think?
That was a personal reflections journal of Marcus Aurelius meant for his own eyes. It was never published or distributed. Scholars just happened to stumble upon it.

You have a feminine view of power. You want to wear it like a fashion accessory and as a result have this delusions of what it is. Clearly you've never had it. It's like hipsters having twirly mustaches because they think that is masculine innately.

You won't get far. No one likes you.

[Anonymous No.18735634]

>>18735443
>Marcus Aurelius

based

[Anonymous No.18735721]

>>18735466
Listen to yourself.
These are control words made up by psychiatrists in the future they can simply ship everyone to a psychiatric asylum for committing one of the sins, I also remind you that literally everything is a mental disorder for these people.

Happy?
Must be ADHD!
Sad?
Must be depression!

You literally can not win with these people.

>Neither of the words are made up
So what god personally did say these words and wrote them down in the DSM the day before he created the world or some shit? Psychiatrists made up these words and this is documented.

>since you can cast aside morality.
You are just repeating psychiatrist propaganda a good indicator how your new religion controls you already (tell me how I know you are a sheep and will never question this social programming).

The example of the general was given >>18735006 fagotry is a objective mental disorder, empathy is a mental disorder these are the facts of reality. In like you are born wrong if you have them.

Funny results come about if you analyse the psychiatrists yourself since all of them have mental disorders only we plebs are not allowed to use their magic book of their magic mental disorder names.

Funny how it works out does it not.

[Anonymous No.18735730]

>>18733169
Cmom citizens of schoolshootingstan just start the revolution already what do you guys fear

[Anonymous No.18735737]

>>18735721
feminine view of power.

[Anonymous No.18735789]

>>18733501
Low energy costs help the poor, renewable energy costs and carbon taxes get passed on directly to the consumer.

[Anonymous No.18735795]

>imagine believing we landed on the Moon

[Anonymous No.18735802]

I recommend people in this thread read pic related. It does repeated case studies of the charisma of notable powerful people and common people.

Turns out very few of them were edgelord sociopaths and instead very often were interested in other people and liked them.

[Anonymous No.18735986]

>>18733169
Why are you operating under the assumption that my money should be towards anyone's benefit but myself? Do we ask of you to take one tenth of the food you buy to share with your neighbor who might not afford as many donuts as you? No. My money is mine to do with as I please because the concept of private property exists.

That said, perhaps you should look to the government rather than your fellow person for more cash for the poor. Analysts unironically are praising UBI right now for somehow both supporting citizens and making businesses thrive (wtf, I never thought it would work but apparently the rich love it now because people spend more at their businesses due to it), so why not divert our taxes (and infinite money printer) to something more useful like UBI? That way the poor can eat, and I can invest and get rich, and it is all okay because debt doesn't matter and money printer goes brr and it only works because we have the entire world outgunned. Your beef isn't with me doing what I want with my capital, your beef is with the government that steals all our wealth and does nothing productive with it. Either get them to reduce our taxes (thus benefiting everybody), or get them to use it to directly benefit everybody.

[Anonymous No.18736353]

FUCK CAPITALISTS!

[Anonymous No.18736398]

>>18736353
care for a ride?

[Anonymous No.18737089]

>>18733169
market speculation gives 2 areas of value. 1. Price discovery/liquidty 2. hedging against risk (i.e. essentially insurance). The returns generated by traders reflect the importance of those functions.
t. worked at hedge fund

[Anonymous No.18737730]

>>18737089
what do you mean price discovery/liquidity?