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> 20+ Million unemployed
> all jobs gained since 2008 are now lost
> nationwide lockdowns
> stonks still going up

Fucking why?

>> No.18712543

BBBBRRRRRRRRRRR

>> No.18712556

Priced in

>> No.18712562

Is trick.

>> No.18712563

>>>r*ddit.com

>> No.18712597

Stocks are a prediction of 3 months from now. According to data, the virus should be a little threat and that should be enough time for the unemployed to work again

>> No.18712617

In 2008 CDOs kept going up until the banks had secured their short positions, they just kept them pumped. Then...boom. Probably something similiar going on, investors unloading shit onto retarded retail customers thinking they are buying cheap stocks when the market is actually really expensive now.

>> No.18712627

The stock market is being so manipulated that it isn't even funny anymore. That is the jist of it.

Two actual reasons is that the government printing money and the people who are still working are paying into their 401k. The poor people got laid off the most.

But really it is just total manipulation.

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18712677

CApital is flooding into US equities because the rest of the world is even more fucked than you can possibly image there is simply no where else to go

what are you going to buy bonds for """safety"""" yielding like 0.01% LMAO and the governments are all fucking bankrupt

IT'S OVER

>> No.18712688

>>18712525
The majority of those unemployed right now are people of insignificance that the nation doesn’t rely on.

>> No.18712711

>>18712597
corochan isn't going anywhere 3 month from now thought.

>> No.18712733

they only go up sorry

>> No.18712738

I took advantage of this opportunity instead of panicking and I now have set myself up better going forward. If you believe there will be an economic crash you basically will always lose. You have to risk to make it.

>> No.18712760

>>18712525
late stage capitalism

>> No.18712832

>>18712688
People are unemployed because the businesses they worked for are shut down. Some will come back, yes, but a lot might not. We also depend on those poor people to buy useless stuff at Walmart. The American "poor" is hardly poor, they have cable tv and internet and food and consumer electronics and cheap clothing. They do spend.

>> No.18712852

>>18712525
becuase fuck bobos

>> No.18713012

the economy is a giant meme. if you want power just recruit yougn men to fight for you and btfo the jews.

>> No.18713320

>>18712711
Doesnt matter if it goes or stays. It's literally just a flu.

>> No.18713444

>>18712617
How and who do i short make it as easy as possible

>> No.18713611

>>18713444
I feel shorting is risky unless you have some short with a really low downside like the swaps they bought in 07 on subprime mortgage bundles, because who knows maybe these anons are right and the government can keep the market falsely propped up for a really long time even though this. I mean they aren't wrong saying they'll just keep printing money. I don't know how long that actually works though.

I just have my money in cash until the dust settles so I can buy up what I think will be cheapies in 6-9 months. This is just going off what I saw in '08 and I'm not exactly an expert investor. If I miss out, then that is okay too because I made a conscious decision to lower my risk at a time where the market was being irrational.

>> No.18713637

>>18712525
stonks only go up, dumbo

>> No.18713670

>>18712711

Thought. It does in heat. Australia is the only country to worry in 3 months.

>> No.18714025

>>18712525
Priced in

>> No.18714030

>>18712525
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=gI4A

COPE BOBO

>> No.18714102

>>18712738

If you don't think there's an economic crash coming, then you definitely will lose. This mentality only works when the world isn't being ravaged by a virus, factories shut down, people quarantined and defaulting on rent and loan payments. Buckle up buckaroos, it's gonna be a bumpy ride

>> No.18714141

>>18714102
The crash already occurred, and was priced in.

>> No.18714159

>>18712688
Those non essential staff people are the ones who buy the goods sold made in firms that employ the essential people.

>> No.18714175

>>18712525
Inflation. Stocks can lose value while the price goes up.

>> No.18714190

>>18714141

Crash already occured?

Haha, fuck me. Remember Crypto in 2018. Remember that drop in February? Yeah... already occurred.

GG fella, I hope for the best

>> No.18714222

>>18714190
You think 37% in one month is not already priced in? Give me a break.

>> No.18714223

So the Fed is an obvious culprit for softening the bottom, but I think a less discussed aspect is the record amount of shorts and put buyers for what is a clear and obvious impending recession. Every time stocks rise they get squeezed triggering another trend reversal. Ironically enough, if shorts were banned this thing would drop like a fucking rock. As it stands we have this awkward back and forth on comparatively lower volume than March.

So when will it drop? Well... basically when shorts no longer have any confidence.

>> No.18714248

>>18712525
BECAUSE OF ALL THAT BOBO ... the next phase will come just because there are people unemployed. Don't you get it? Your time is over. Your time meaning all the people doing jobs a machine can do better. It is happening.

>> No.18714251

I have 50K saved in cash. Should I start a business now?

I'm thinking about providing services for commercial buildings and undercutting, and then raising prices slowly by 2-3% over inflation a year to expand margins as things normalize. An unlimited supply of cheap labor would mean I can take on unlimited clients.

>> No.18714275

>>18714141
Even when it took that big drop, my portfiolio basically only reset to 2018. Everything went up so much last year I feel like we didn't see much of anything.

>> No.18714291

>>18712556

Literally a meme for people who want to dump their bags on you

>> No.18714295

>>18714190
>comparing stock market to crypto
Did crypto price in a fall that is entirely based in speculation?

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>>18712525
Population exploded since 2008. Fewer jobs than 2008

>> No.18714316

>>18714222

What do you mean priced in?

The world economy is on a downward trajectory, false money propping up the markets is not 'priced in'

>> No.18714319

>>18714223
>>18714275
This was less of a systematic crash. The Nasdaq, unironically the most fake market, actually held up the best, while companies that operated on essentials and inelastic goods plummeted. That tells me this was a fake crash manufactured by fake shorts and bots. The real tech bubble has yet to implode, this was the crash trap.

>>18714291
No one is dumping their bags on you right now, they did so before the crash.

>> No.18714348

>>18712525
The primary cause of growth isn't just that we buy more shit. There's simply more people now who's richer and can buy more shit. The global economy will return to normal and is therefore priced in

>> No.18714369

>>18714319

The smart money got out immediately, which is why volume is lower now. Once economic closures started getting announced it was clear that the market was in for dangerous times. Most big name investors are not in the market right now. It's a bastard solution of Fed pumping, short squeezes, delusional permabulls, and low volume trickling upward. Tech is resilient because it's least affected as of now, but will see its bottom line hit once the other sectors are cash strapped.

>> No.18714382

>>18712525
>If Corona is short term
Won't matter much, it's priced in
>if it's long-term
Companies will adapt to changing consumption behaviour. Simply priorities will change.

>> No.18714419

>>18714190

>crypto

lol the adults are talking here buddy. Go play with your monopoly money somewhere else

>> No.18714454

>>18714419

Cherry picking an analogy to make a lame half assed joke. Thanks for the post

>> No.18714493

>>18714369
Companies are reporting they received a large portion of their rents for April. Now whether that will hold up will depend on how quickly people realize this was a fake pandemic exaggerated by fake shorts and bots and some of trump's buddies in the white house.

>Tech is resilient because it's least affected as of now, but will see its bottom line hit once the other sectors are cash strapped.
Well yeah if you're always thinking what's happening right NOW then you'll always be behind.

>> No.18714524

>>18714493

In 3-6 months, government assistance is going to start to run dry, tax receipts will have fallen off a cliff, unemployment will be historically high and business activity historically low. If you think stocks are going to miraculously be saved from this, then I wish you the best.

>> No.18714570

>>18714524
Or
>borders stay closed but markets open
>economies find new solutions to keep up production while keeping spread of diseases low

>> No.18714588

>>18712525
>all jobs gained since 2008 are now lost
Untill lockdown is over come may.

>> No.18714604

>>18712711
>thought.
Okay, retard.

>> No.18714612

>>18714524
That's not how our government system is setup. The banks/fed buy treasuries and create money out of thin air with "IOU"s - thereby devaluing savers who crawl into their beds sing themselves a jingle and hide fake cloth under their mattresses. No one likes these people, even the creator of the money supply doesn't like people holding his fake creation.

>> No.18714614

reading bobo cope makes me so happy to be long this market

do you think retarded bears will learn their lesson coming out of this crisis? Seems to me they're all doubling down on their idiocy instead of evaluating why they did what they did and why it was the wrong thing to do.

they're gonna cope about muh manipulated market for the next decade as SPY hits 500

>> No.18714616

>>18712525
because it's manipulated. some say another crash is coming.

>> No.18714624

>>18714102
>the world isn't being ravaged by a virus, factories shut down, people quarantined and defaulting on rent and loan payments
Non of that is happening though.

>> No.18714680

>>18714524
.2 percent mortality death rate.
Fuck off with the doomer shit.

>> No.18714711

>>18714680

4 posts by this ID, 4 moronic idiotic posts.

>None of that is happening

Coronavirus is a hoax?

>> No.18714713

>>18714614

They will never learn. Rather than accepting they were wrong, they prefer to go "the crash will come anyday now" in perpetuity.

>> No.18714741

>>18712688
WWE is an essential business.

>> No.18714776

>>18714222
thing is that is not 37% down anymore. we are on 2019 level...
the market expectation obviously is that everything will be back to normal by fall and we only lost one year of profits...

>> No.18714855

>>18713320
But it isn't though.

>> No.18714860

>>18712525
Because clowns live in white house.

>> No.18714892

stonks only go up
stonks can only go up
there is no other way

>> No.18714906

>>18714741
It's good to have friends with power

>> No.18714907

>>18714713
there currently is no wrong or right. we all know shit how it will continue. The current market anticipation is that the long-term impact on the economy is minor. However this doesn't mean that it will actually turn out this way...

>> No.18714921

>>18712525
Most of the unemployed are blue collar workers. Wall Street has never cared about them.

>> No.18714934

All the plebs who lost their jobs were low wage workers who don't own any stock to begin with. Meanwhile rich people and financial institutions are still getting their bailout money and have nowhere else to put it besides the stock market. Its the semi-circle of life.

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>>18712525
Soon

>> No.18715015

>>18712525
because money does not go to money heaven just because muh economy might turn south

>> No.18715045

>>18715015
Money will go to money heaven when banks start to fail, which may not be possible with what the Fed is doing.

An extra $4T from the federal government, equivalent to 20% of the entire American economy and larger than the entire federal budget in 2016, also helps.

>> No.18715049

>>18712525
20+ meme non productive "workers "laid off. Wonder why the profit margin increases

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>>18714934

You seem to forget, it's the masses that keep your economy ticking

>> No.18715088

>>18715045
>Money will go to money heaven when banks start to fail
any decade now, anon
it didn't happen 2008 and it most likely will not happen this time around.
and yes, muh lehmann was a controlled demolition

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18715112

They're loading up the bags for for the poor little bullies.

>> No.18715121

>>18715045
>>18715088
Sorry, I didn't fully read your post.
But no, I still disagree with money going to money heaven if banks fail.

>> No.18715156

>>18715088
you do comprehend that there currently is a severe risk of deflation, which might occur because money is going to money heaven...

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>>18712525
Its clear the stock market is titled

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>>18715156
deflation?
what kind of deflation?
asset price deflation? any decade now
debt amount defaltion? not in this FRB (((System)))
currency deflation? see picrelated
what kind of defaltion are you referring to?

>> No.18715200

>>18714680
0.2 is a calamity if 80% of the world gets infected you fucking moron.

>> No.18715204

>>18714680
You faggots whine and deny like it makes any difference when this government response has picked up so much momentum. You might as well just accept that the virus is real at this point even if it isn't, because calling it fake is not going to change the fact that governments won't allow themselves to lose face or credibility and will keep this going for at least as long as they can plausibly come up with a """vaccine""" as an out to end this shit, and your gay stocks are going to be what pays for that. So buckle up copefag.

>> No.18715232

>>18712525
unemployment numbers are much higher than that, yeah the stock market is a rigged game what do you expect?

>> No.18715238

>>18715156
Yes goy there is a risk of deflation. Your money would actually increase in value. Very risky goy. Let me help you by reducing your savings in half.

>> No.18715272

>>18715238
Deflation is murder on the economy because it discourages savings or investment and kills liquidity. Basically every economic downturn in history has been accompanied by deflation.

>> No.18715337

>>18712556
What the fuck is priced in dumbass? Stocks are GREEN on the YEAR

Let that sink in...stonks are MORE valuable than BEFORE corona happened

>> No.18715355

>>18712525
>Just wait a little more, I guarantee you asap it's gonna crash.
Also,I'm not talking about the coronavirus economical crisis.

>> No.18715375

>>18712525
It's why I backed off. Am now deciding when to sell as I'd rather walk away with a profit rather than being tricked like the masses into buying stocks and having it dumped by hedge funds who make a run for the exit during the commotion of them going up.

>> No.18715401 [DELETED] 

>>18714159
This. Ironic how they mock the poor but without them theyd be complaing about having to make their own food. Or how they cant get their 15 dollar latte from starbucks because the poor refuse tp risk their lives for minimum wage.

>> No.18715449

>>18714614
>>18714713
So if both of you are so certain why dont you do a reverse mortgage and go all in on buy calls expiring two years. Stocks only go up according to yourselves. You'll be rich anon! Come on stop being afraid, pick yourself up by the bootstraps, and get that loan that will set you financially free! Don't forget to post proof that you made such option bets.

>> No.18715462

>>18715375
Lmao ok the hedge funds exit equities and move into federal reserve notes? Is that your thesis? Holy fuck. It’s nice to have an anon platform but there are so many fucking retards.

>> No.18715481

>>18715401

When the rich got complacent, taxed the masses and lived lives of luxury with their buddies in power, the french revolution happened. Which overthrew the church and shaped European ideas of liberty for the following centuries

Part of me would love to see it happen again, but I think people are too comfy these days. They worship money too much and will gladly accept the scraps from the rich table rather than try for a structural change for society.

>> No.18715483

>>18715232
>unemployment numbers are much higher than that
This. It's like 25 million off of people who actually filed in the last 5 weeks. That doesnt include all the people laid off prior or those who didnt even bother applying for unemployment.

>> No.18715487

>>18714860
welcome to 4chan!

>> No.18715525

>>18715272
Says burger who is yet to see his first downturn. Ask some soviets for example. If one day you could afford to buy an apartment with your savings , the next week that would get you a loaf of bread.
Or ask turk roaches or Argentinians

>> No.18715571

Because this is a textbook bulltrap. Retail normies are bored from quarantine and bad news, so they throw their money on "cheap" stocks to make their situation better.
They will all get rekt by Bobo very soon, new lows incoming

>> No.18715612

>>18714369
True, Tesla will be 1500 by the end of May if you are smart you are already bought in

>> No.18715632

>>18712525
Zoomers and Millennials jumping into stocks after the Boomers had left the market.

>> No.18715652
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>>18712525
Back to wallstreetbets r*ddit bobo. We are all BVLLS here. Stocks only go up. Keeping buying your SPY puts with margin on robinhood and losing money HAHAHAHA thank you for buying my bags you fucking brainlet

>> No.18715673

>>18715525
>Federal reserve notes are comparable to local currency

>> No.18715694

>>18715571
New lows would be amazing. Fingers x’d.

>> No.18715701

Less payroll expenses = more moneys

>> No.18715715

>>18713320
>flu
>being this retarded

>> No.18715719

>>18715525
>What is 1929

>> No.18715721

>>18712525
Not sure how many time and in how many ways you can be told that the "market" is completely divorced from reality.

>> No.18715771

>>18712597
Stocks are not a prediction of anything.

It's literally just machine algorithms looking for patterns in other machine algorithms and human behavior to make money off of them.

>> No.18715785

>>18715571
>stocks get even cheaper
>buy even more stocks
it's like you don't even understand how to game the system

>> No.18715808

>>18715571
That is only true if things are left to naturally play out, the manipulation and the Fed pump means stocks can literally only go up for the next year at least

>> No.18715832

>>18712525
World wide depression started about 10 years ago.
Covid scam is about crashing the economy into the ground.
To bring in their one world currency and own the world

>> No.18715849

people don't understand how sick the market was before the virus, and they never will. if you don't know what I'm talking about by now there is no hope for you. these discussions are exhaustingly retarded. if you are long expect another 30% down in the next year

>> No.18715854

>>18712597
Stocks mean nothing. The prices are 100% arbitrary and based on nothing except the whims of the wealthy and powerful.

>> No.18715883

>>18712688
Us is a service and consumption based economy you fucking retard.

>> No.18715925

>>18714248
Anon. Who is going to buy the machines?
To build them.
What are you foing to do with those machines if no one has money or wants to buy antrhing

>> No.18715937

>>18715849
good traders play both sides, any volatility is great in markets because it creates more inequality

>>18715854
by that logic owning a farm means nothing because the price is volatile

>> No.18715992

>>18714588
That's adorable. No.

>> No.18715993

>>18715849
Ok 30% down from these levels(lmao)? Then what after that?

>> No.18715999

>>18712525
Lower costs due to lay offs

>> No.18716006

>>18714711
>Coronavirus is a hoax
Yes.
It is fake

>> No.18716016

>>18713320
9/11 was just a fire.

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>>18712525
why do /biz/raelis always need approval before taking action?

>> No.18716114

>>18715832

NWO confirmed, Alex Jones was right, Stock up your medicinal Silver!

>> No.18716121

>>18715937
>that logic owning a farm means nothing because the price is volatile
The fuck...

>> No.18716137

>>18716006

Refer to >>18715204

>> No.18716289

>>18713320
bait

>> No.18716311

COUGH IN MY FACE

>> No.18716715

The effect won't be felt straight away, it could take 6 months to a year before the full extent of the economic damage caused surfaces

>> No.18716881

>>18715238
>>18715525
imagine being this retarded

>> No.18717052

>>18715808
I don’t want to believe it. But this is probably the case

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>>18712677
>what are you going to buy
gold & silver

>> No.18717140

>>18712627
this. trillions upon trillionsare bring handed to banks and being used to buy bonds and junk bonds from investment firms. total manipulation. you can't print supply chains though so this will not work much longer

>> No.18717436

>>18712525
they are betting on a V shape recovery in the economy

>> No.18717758

>>18713670
>It does in heat.
Based retard

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>>18714713
we weren't wrong. its just the market can stay irrational longer than bobos can stay solvent.

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>>18714614
Can confirm
T. Broke bobo who lost his ass on SPY puts

>> No.18718206

Kek of the keks

>> No.18718265
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18718265

To the fucking T
The real crash hasn't happened yet
7,000,000 starved to death during the Great Depression
Countless more will die because of the dindu warfare, prison breaks and artificial scarcity of meat due to shutdowns.
Our masters are breaking the slave's backs so we can run to them begging for MORE government.
mmmmmm yes I can feel their power boners right now. They're wet with precum.
>SSSSNNNNIIIIIFFFFFFfffffff
AGggghhhhh fuck they came.
It's unironically over, anons. The real economy died in 2008.
2020 was just the bloated corpse exploding and showering us in its guts and viruses we've created.
Get to the happening bunkers NAOOOO

>> No.18718334

mainstream economics is total bs
nothing more than propaganda from interested party

>> No.18718349

>>18713611
You seem to have a good head. You will probably do well.

>> No.18718356

>>18714190
t. buttblasted short

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>>18715200
>NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! NOT THE HECKIN' 0.2 PERCENTERINOS!!!!!!

>> No.18718556

>>18712525
The fed is buying equities to save their crony banker friends...


It won't help though, they just decided to stave off the inevitable for a little longer.

>> No.18718658

>>18712688
thinking the same thing

>> No.18719170

>>18714612
This is why you put only a moderate amount of your net worth into stocks, because the Fed not only devalues your savings by printing money, they also indirectly force you into even more debt by buying up assets so that our taxes pay the interest in the long run.

It's mass theft on a scale unseen in human history, and nobody gives a shit because as long as the fake stock numbers go up, who cares of the purchasing power of the fiat itself is horribly devalued?

>> No.18719266

>>18712688
>>18718658

There are layoffs across almost all industries. You should base your thinking on facts, not imagination.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea31.htm

>> No.18719845

>>18712525
everyone in nyc is infected and immune.

>> No.18719857

land of the free means fed can buy too! ahahahahah

>> No.18719861

>>18712597
>what is wave 2, 3, 4, etc

>> No.18720053

>>18719861
1 in 4 people in nyc already got it.
tho i was expecting around 30% desu.
should bring the fatality rate under 0.5% like most of the other antibody studies.
too lazy to bother calculating a rough estimate.
it's all so tiresome.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-antibodies-present-in-nearly-25-of-all-nyc-residents/

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>>18712543

FED is doing less and less

https://wolfstreet.com/2020/04/23/fed-slashed-qe-further-still-hasnt-bought-junk-bonds-or-etfs/

>> No.18720308

>>18720146
Incoming crash?

>> No.18720360

>>18720146
and yet nothing's crashing

>> No.18720399

>>18720308
Crash won‘t last long because of the fed

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>>18718265
Pls be true, I shorted the dow with 2x.

>> No.18721186

>>18717785
>>18718265

Bobos getting short squeezed is the reason we don't get cheapies, stupid bobos.

>> No.18721591

>>18714159
Correct. They are cattle, goy.

>> No.18721714

>>18714175
This

>> No.18721742

>>18715612
>bought at $500
>sold at $700

am I doing this right?

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>>18712525
Its the FED printing money, and retail investors dumping money into AMZN.

The FED has stopped printing this week, and Amazon's earnings report is due to come out this Thursday. Amazon is massively overvalued. If their earnings report is not Amazing this week, then it might trigger another dump event.

>> No.18721843

>>18714570
>borders stay closed so wage suppression lessens and artificially high rent and property values begin to drop because we wont be having millions of extra people flooded in every year for the foreseeable future

>> No.18721870

>>18721802
>Another dump event
That will be quickly stopped by the Fed

It's a clown market, your bullshit bear trends mean nothing anymore

why is it so hard for you niggers to realize this?

>> No.18721941

>>18721870
So, what you're saying is that it's a new paradigm? Interesting.

>> No.18721956

>>18715771
can you tell us more?

>> No.18722427

>>18721802
What's the point of even buying S&P500 ETFs?