Nassim Taleb-Advised Universa Tail Fund Returned 3,600% in March

[Anonymous No.18370200]

His fund is up 3600% in March. Why weren't we listening to this based, black swan, antifragile fucker? At least I still hold Bitcoin like he does.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/taleb-advised-universa-tail-risk-fund-returned-3-600-in-march

[Anonymous No.18370243]

>>18370200
Dudes been trading options for like 40 years. Wonder how much leverage he's using

[Anonymous No.18370251]

>>18370200
/int/'s hero.

[Anonymous No.18370268]

>>18370200
Holy fucking shit. Will reading his books increased my basedness?

[Anonymous No.18370292]

>>18370268
Being a Phoenician will.

[Anonymous No.18370400]

>>18370200
How do I invest in his fund?
I want 3000% gains too.

[Anonymous No.18370421]

>>18370200
what is his 36 month average? not that I care, I like his arabic style.

[Anonymous No.18370461]

>>18370243
I can hardly conceive of a lebanese arab understanding options enough to take a real gamble without starting a war in the middle east, so all the more power to him.

[Anonymous No.18370485]

>>18370400
You're too late. We won't get another pandemic like this for a while.

[Anonymous No.18370502]

>>18370461
Lebanese is NOT arab

Gabish?

[Anonymous No.18370521]

>>18370243
He's an options trader.

[Anonymous No.18370530]

>>18370200
This dude is on /biz/

>>18370502

24/7


What’s up Nassim! You have done the impossible and made a 4chan board less racist and evil.

[Anonymous No.18370614]

Taleb is a legend among men. If you read his book "Fooled by randomness" it will make you a much better trader.
>>18370461
>lebanese arab understanding options
>lebanese arab
Ugh that's painful to read.
That's like saying a square octagon.

[Anonymous No.18370729]

>>18370502
>>18370614
Hello Nicholas, seems we have found each other again you filthy rug muncher

[Anonymous No.18370926]

Shakira is Lebanese. I want to read her book. Fooled by the Skin in the Black Swan.

[Anonymous No.18371015]

>>18370530
proof he comes here

[Anonymous No.18371071]

>>18370926
Her dance book was better. How Robust Hips Benefit From His Fat Front Tail.

[Anonymous No.18371090]

>>18370502
Hey mr. Taleb, yuuuge respect from here!

[Anonymous No.18371413]

>>18371071
Nice lol

[Anonymous No.18371460]

>>18370926
thanks for the laugh

[Anonymous No.18371464]

he doesn't look like a lesbian to me

[Anonymous No.18371470]

nassim taleb is a brainlet who gets triggered when you bring up IQ
>OH NO NO NO YOU CANT BRING UP IQ IT LEADS TO GENOCIDE NOOO NOT THE THIRD WORLDERINOS

[Anonymous No.18371572]

>>18371470
did society ever decide if social darwinism was a thing that was allowed to be discussed.

[Anonymous No.18371819]

>>18371470
He did nuke it with mathematics, though. Was pretty based. I was all aboard the IQ train until reading his paper and can't help but to accept the fucker is right again.

[Anonymous No.18372232]

>>18371819
This, his refutation is purely technical/mathematical.

It's not on the pro IQ people to come up with a better tool or stfu for ever.

[Anonymous No.18372324]

>>18371819
>Says IQ is only predictive at the low end
>Shitskins have more people on the low end of IQ

[Anonymous No.18372352]

>>18371819
>>18372232

Nah. He basically poked holes in the consistency of predictive data and tried to claim that you could throw the whole thing out due to that, all that means is that modeling has to be more sophisticated. There are very clear and obvious correlations with IQ and positive life outcomes.

https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/01/08/nassim-taleb-on-iq/

It just reeks of seethe and insecurity to attack the whole thing like it isn't our best rough gauge of ability and potential.

[Anonymous No.18372367]

>>18370729
Not anything for nitpickers, fragilistas, IYI's (intellectual yet idiot), BS-vendors, charlatans or gymrats. Gabish?

[Anonymous No.18372371]

>>18371819
>I was all aboard the IQ train until reading his paper and can't help but to accept the fucker is right again.
Can you give a TLDR for us biz brainlets, thx.

[Anonymous No.18372518]

>>18372352
You can't sophistically model and predict something so unfalsifiable as IQ, that's his point.

Btw he does the same with trading, he has 90 of his companies shit in some safe bonds and treasury garbage and 10% in OTM puts so when shit like Corona happens he makes money.

Zero nonsense involved, gabish?

[Anonymous No.18372582]

>>18372518

Sounds like he's arguing with a strawman then since literally nobody claims that IQ is perfectly predictive with any given metric

But can you reasonably expect someone with an IQ of 120 to earn more than someone with 70? Yes. Yes you can.

[Anonymous No.18372732]

>>18372582
Yes, because even he admits that IQ tests work for finding unintelligence. They stop working for normal people, and he shows it in his blog.

Especially if you count circularity.

[Anonymous No.18372802]

>>18372732

What is "stop working" supposed to mean? There is still a demonstrable difference between a 130 IQ and 100 IQ, things just get understandably scattered as you progress into the tail ends. At the end of the day this is a society kept and maintained by 100 IQ's so being 150 or 180 IQ is just going to make you an outsider.

[Anonymous No.18372887]

>>18371470
You can train your IQ, if you do nothing but spam IQ tests all day eventually you will be a 200 IQ genius. I have done this and went from 120 IQ first test to 150 IQ from just doing 5 IQ tests in a row.

[Anonymous No.18372944]

>>18371819
>He did nuke it with mathematics, though
not really he poked some holes in the data with advanced mathematical autism arguments and whne somebody asked him "but Taleb all these shithole countries have low IQs dont you think theres a correllation here?" he flipped out and said if you even wanna make that connection youre basically a nazi eugenicist and a mass murderer. desu I lost a lot of respect for nassim after this whole debate it just reeked of insecurity and intellectual dishonesty, like hes trying really hard to make a complex, convoluted argument to confirm his worldview.

[Anonymous No.18372997]

>>18372887
which test did you take?
raven barr is considered the gold standard and thats just plain pattern recognition, you cant really train that its a function of IQ and hardwired as far as I understand. desu Im a brainlet and dont really care about people wanking over their high IQs, I do believe tehres different types of intelligence and they are all important. but I think we should be able to have a honest discussion about it and when you see that all third world shitholes are basically just full with stupid people it makes you wonder...

[Anonymous No.18373030]

>>18372887
Not bad. A good way would be to take an IQ test at mensa or some place over and over with a fake ID or in a different country or testing center so that you can get practice.

[Anonymous No.18373053]

>>18372944
>not really he poked some holes in the data with advanced mathematical autism arguments and whne somebody asked him "but Taleb all these shithole countries have low IQs dont you think theres a correllation here?" he flipped out and said if you even wanna make that connection youre basically a nazi eugenicist and a mass murderer. desu I lost a lot of respect for nassim after this whole debate it just reeked of insecurity and intellectual dishonesty, like hes trying really hard to make a complex, convoluted argument to confirm his worldview.
Bullshit. Taleb always said IQ has a linear relationship with performance when it's below 100 which many of these shithole countries are.

[Anonymous No.18373054]

>>18372802
>>18372802

>180 IQ
First of all, the mainstream gold standard clinical psychology IQ test goes up only to 160 ie: 4 SDs of 15 so I have no idea what 180 IQ even means.

When doing math on the original IQ datasets and not on the ones that cut off fat tails (his whole career is based on making money of off fat tails) you get exactly a correlation of 0 between income and IQ.

ZERO for something so useful apparently. I mean his whole career was based off making money and attacking people who ignore fat tails, and surprise surprise the Psychological community made the same errors as the Finance community and Taleb put them to bed!

[Anonymous No.18373082]

>>18372997
some free online test. The questions were different but always the same type, mostly pattern stuff as you mentioned.
IQ tests can give a rough idea of intellect but you cant quantify intellegence, thats just dumb, which is quite ironic given the amount of mesa people stroking their egos

[Anonymous No.18373115]

>>18373053
>Bullshit
its not bullshit he started mass blocking people on twitter and calling them nazis. go on and try to have a conversation with him about IQ and wealth of nations he will call you an eugenicist

[Anonymous No.18373151]

>>18373054
>First of all, the mainstream gold standard clinical psychology IQ test goes up only to 160 ie: 4 SDs of 15 so I have no idea what 180 IQ even means.

Thanks for sharing. It was clearly just an offhand illustration of a point.

> When doing math on the original IQ datasets and not on the ones that cut off fat tails (his whole career is based on making money of off fat tails) you get exactly a correlation of 0 between income and IQ.

Tossing out outliers is common statistical practice when trying to build a model. We're talking about a group of people that are like 0.1% of the overall population and, as I said, are basically freaks with regards to the general pop. In order to make money in human society you have to be able to work with and interface with regular people. Isaac Newton was shut up in a hole for his whole life for a reason.

[Anonymous No.18373152]

>>18373082
>some free online test
i shouldnt have to tell you that these are all bs anon
>but you cant quantify intellegence
IQ is literally just your hardwired potential for pattern recognition. the higher you IQ the faster you detect patterns. it doesnt make you a super genius but it helps you learn and make connections faster than "dumb" people. its really tough to have a discussion about it because so many people get triggered by the concept and want to live in a world where we are all exactly the same

[Anonymous No.18373204]

Lots of pseuds in here
I have 147 iq

[Anonymous No.18373223]

fwiw I know a guy with a genius tier IQ whos a complete retard when it comes to social intelligence and emotionalyl at the level of a fifth grader
I also have a friend whos definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed but has amazing social intelligence and can read people like a book. desu Id rather hang out with a dumbo whos a good person at heart. but on a social level when all you have is retards running the show we all suffer from it.

[Anonymous No.18373230]

>>18373152
You can memorize what to go after by taking such tests over and over

[Anonymous No.18373238]

>>18373204
>I have 147 iq
>t. facebook IQ test

[Anonymous No.18373272]

>>18373151
Tossing out outliers is common statistical practice
....Literally, all of Taleb's career is based on killing that exact same mindset, because it blows up under complexities such as human intelligence, what ever that means.

You also assume Newton had a "high IQ" despite IQ tests getting a hold in the 20th century, long after Newton was gone. He might have gotten an average score, you can't know that. There is a documented case of an US math wizard with an official IQ of 90 something, I'll try and dig it up.

Another problem is circularity, the official IQ tests like the WAIS are basically identical to the GREs and standardized exams grad students take, so you can't control for the environmental variable at all.

[Anonymous No.18373301]

>>18373230
>You can memorize what to go after by taking such tests over and over
not really, real IQ tests are just geometric shapes for pattern recognition. they start out super easy and at some point your mind just blanks out and you will try for ages to find the pattern in them, while for a high IQ person its still easy. these are randomized geometric shapes you cant memorize that shit. I honestly believe most anons here talking about IQ tests have never taken a proper one.

[Anonymous No.18373305]

>>18373152
It seemed pretty close to the only official test i ever done.
IQ tests can be more accurate if you do one once a month and then average it out over the years. But even then, you cant put a number on something as complex and filled with variables as intelligence.
Its like only using one sport to test out overall athletic capabilities.
Also the reason Africans score so low ( there are countries with averages of 60 ) is because they dont grow up with the same influences as the west, we grow up from day one matching colors and shapes as little games and are introduced to math very young, meanwhile Unbungo Mwakaza becomes a shepard at age 6 and shits in the bushes. Not saying there arent intellegence differences between races, almost certainly there are, but /pol/ using IQ tests to justify their hatred is just plain cope

[Anonymous No.18373350]

>>18373272

>the guy who sat in a room by himself and came up with the foundations for modern Calculus and Physics without the aid of modern tech and was described as legendarily may have had an "average IQ"

"No". No he did not.

[Anonymous No.18373358]

>>18373151
>Tossing out outliers is common statistical practice when trying to build a model.
Imecile! It's those outliers that blowup the model and then the model no longer corresponds with reality. Taleb's point is that someone like Newton who is so unusual, and has had more impact on society than all the incels on this board would have in a thousand lifetimes, would likely not be quantified correctly by IQ. He would definitely test above 130, 145+ even, but there are likely several people who test ahead of him but don't actually have his raw intelligence.

Feynman's IQ was tested at 120, but he is definitely more intelligent than Mr. 147 >>18373204 here.

I say this as someone who skipped three grades. I don't know what my IQ is but they basically skipped me because of that and I know I don't hold a candle to people like Feynman.

[Anonymous No.18373363]

>>18373301
No such thing as truly randomised as of yet.
I don't know if you've played warframe. Supposedly ever level is "unique" but in reality it's just a reskin of all the other levels which makes the game boring in the end.

[Anonymous No.18373374]

>>18373350

*legendarily autistic. Autocorrect must be autistic.

[Anonymous No.18373400]

>>18373358
125**
That's not even good enough to test into your local gifted program

[Anonymous No.18373403]

>>18371470
t. Snownigger

[Anonymous No.18373404]

>>18373305
>IQ tests are more accurate if you don't prepare for them
That's stupid unless it's in your own interest to score low.

[Anonymous No.18373435]

>>18373350
Julia Robinson had an official IQ result of 98 ie: average/normal yet she took advanced Math and Physics classes at a young age.

Feynman's was around 120, above average but still not high end.

I seen o reason why Newton has to score really high, do you?

[Anonymous No.18373455]

>>18370200
people ITT arguing his other ideas yet ignoring everyone knew he was consulting funds to buy cheap black swan insurance and didnt follow his lead.
>yet you think you have high iq

[Anonymous No.18373466]

>>18373358
>Feynman's midwit IQ
>can't explain magnets
test seems to work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

[Anonymous No.18373484]

>>18373358

Believe it or not, it's pretty fucking common to toss out <0.1% of a dataset in order to create a useful and applicable model. Getting hung up on this practice is, frankly, dogmatic and clearly indicative of some kind of seething bias on your (and his) part. There are clearly confounding factors with the group super high IQ geniuses that put them off the charts... ok. And people with an IQ of 30 are going to have a hard time wiping their own ass or eating food.

A prediction isn't deterministic. This isn't about taking individual people and then grading IQ based on how well they tracked measurements. I don't even know why you're bringing up isolated incidents like a common Facebook dumbass when anyone who knows anything about probabilism understands that exceptions don't make a rule.

If I took a group of 100 people with an IQ of 115, and a group of 100 people with an IQ of 85, and asked both groups to figure out how to build a house with a predetermined set of tools and materials, who would I put my money on doing the job quicker and better? Not a hard question at all.

[Anonymous No.18373499]

>>18373404
If by score low you mean testing a more innate, natural, ever present type of intellect as opposed to a more inflated, sharpened, tailored and may i dare to say it fake intellect.

[Anonymous No.18373516]

>>18373435

>this literally who took advanced math classes that Newton built from scratch, that must mean Newton is just as smart as her

I'm guessing you think you're as intelligent as the guy who assembled the first CPU since you're using a computer?

[Anonymous No.18373544]

>>18373305
>But even then, you cant put a number on something as complex and filled with variables as intelligence.
you absolutely can, thing is IQ only really measures your analytical, abstract intelligence. it is hardwired by genetics and really just your ability to deted patterns in your surroundings. but theres many more types of intelligence that an IQ test cant measure like emotional intelligence, social intelligence. if you go to countries like africa or philippines those people are often dumb as a rock but tehy are amazing at picking up on peoples vibes and emotional states. on the other hand high IQ people are often terrible at reading people and dealing with their emotions. on an individual level I actually prefer ppl with a high emotional intelligence over autistic big brains. BUT on a macro level if you have a society run by retards you just get a shitty third world dump. I think that much is self-evident. making it about whether or not children play with legos is cope IMO your IQ is pretty much determined by genetics and only flexible to a small degree, but again IQ measures only one type of intelligence. hating people because they are slower is stupid, but pretending that there are no differences there is probably some golden middle ground somewhere

[Anonymous No.18373566]

>>18373435
>comparing Robinson and Feynman to Newton
nice bait faggot

[Anonymous No.18373595]

>>18373516
As Taleb pointed out, we really don't have any official data on the IQs of math/physics geeks aside from Feynman and Roberts, whose average comes down to 111.5 IQ (I'm assuming a 15 SD).

We also have official data for Nixon (131 SD 16) and Kennedy (117 SD unknown, likely 15 or 16) and McCain (124 IIRC).

These are some famous names... I'm not sure you understand the IQ industry and what it's supposed to do.

[Anonymous No.18373633]

>>18373566
Nigger the point I'm making is that even someone as smart as Newton could easily test within a normal IQ range and still be a mega genius compared to a dumb normie on the street.

IQ does not measure intelligence, that does not mean intelligence itself does not exist or you can't say x is dumb or y is smart.

[Anonymous No.18373650]

>>18373595

You're no longer making any points. Can you stop cherrypicking things that you think disrupt as coherent predictive model? I thought most people figured out this wasn't a valid argumentative technique at like age 13.

"This woman survived a fall from 20,000 feet, therefore people can generally survive falls from 20,000 feet". Just stop, shit is embarrassing. Skipped a couple grades my ass.

[Anonymous No.18373672]

>>18371819
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bklv7FV6_14

[Anonymous No.18373697]

>>18373484
>If I took a group of 100 people with an IQ of 115, and a group of 100 people with an IQ of 85, and asked both groups to figure out how to build a house with a predetermined set of tools and materials, who would I put my money on doing the job quicker and better? Not a hard question at all.
The point flew right over your smooth brain. I agree it's accurate up to a certain degree, but everyone below 130 is generally worthless. They can't actually direct anything. The people who actually can organize effectively large-scale projects or innovate are generally above 130. It's just retarded to actually try and correspond people and their actual raw ability at this point, given how IQ breaks down as a meaningful predictor at the high end.

Culture flows from power and power, especially in terms of ideas, is held by those above 130+. It's just a meaningless shitshow to actually use IQ as a hereustic at this point when they're many other things that have a bigger influence on how valuable that person will actually be to society.

[Anonymous No.18373720]

>>18370200
This is simply Phoenician intelligence

[Anonymous No.18373726]

>>18373650
That's not me retard. Learn to recognize colors nitwit.

[Anonymous No.18373749]

>>18373697

I'm not seeing any point. Your point was "look, I cherrypicked this one guy who's considered really smart but actually 'only' had an IQ of 120, argument invalidated." That's your point? Great job numbnuts.

And there are other measures that can predict as many metrics as IQ? Go ahead and list them. I'd love to see what holds up against the original and contemporary measurement of general intelligence.

[Anonymous No.18373765]

>>18372352
That blogpost ignores that Taleb himself admits the validity of IQ for its original purpose: to identify individuals with significantly (1 SD or more) below average IQ. The problem is that the correlation between IQ and success basically evaporates above 100.

[Anonymous No.18373767]

>>18373301
This. It gets to a point where the patterns are completely indistinguishable. I have no idea how high iq people recognize them. It’s really disheartening but the people with the top1% iqs never achieve anything. They are just in documentaries about having a high iq and they have bullshit academic papers

I think iq reaches a point where it inhibits your performance. Think of it this way, if everything has a pattern, nothing has a pattern

[Anonymous No.18373769]

>>18373726

You guys sound the same at this point. Stop picking people out like that's an argument, that's like Stage 1 Retard's Guide to Arguing shit.

[Anonymous No.18373778]

>>18370200
he's based
but is he redpilled on the fact that all women are whores?
and btw women are so easy to confuse and upset. they react to things they don't understand like little kids. freak out over nothing. cry a fuck ton. literally children with tits
he should write a book on women's nature even though it would be a huge waste of time

[Anonymous No.18373785]

>>18373484
>>18373650
To dumb it down for your dumbass: 0.1% creates 99% of culture and IQ is shit at actually ranking people in this class. It's only good for organizing people into NPC castes and saying you might not be an NPC, but can't do more than that.

[Anonymous No.18373786]

>>18373358
They're gonna rationalize it by saying that Feynman was just trolling the IQ test to hide his intelligence.

>>18373499
That's like trading without prior trading experience which could make you money.

[Anonymous No.18373794]

>>18373765

>above 100

It's clearly more like 130. And at that point you're talking about less than 2% of society... not seeing how that's non-trivial. That just sounds like someone who has a bone to pick with the nature of IQ.

[Anonymous No.18373797]

>>18373650
How can you be so fucking retarded, holy shit, it's like talking to a wall. No wonder Taleb is non stop angry when dealing with pseuds like you.

CHERRY PICKING FUCKING MATTERS YOU DUMB IMBECILE YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO MAKE GENERAL MODELS WHILE CUTTING OFF FAT TAILS YOU FUCKING RETARD REEEEER

I'm done, good bye. Time to make some money like Taleb while NOT ignoring fat tails. Good luck with yous BS prediction models.

[Anonymous No.18373801]

>>18373767
Also, pattern tracking is definitely something you can tap into, peoples thought cycles are just fucked.

Lsd enhances this dramatically

[Anonymous No.18373810]

>>18373785

>0.1% creates 99% of culture

No they don't. Now what are you going to say?

[Anonymous No.18373812]

If y'all want a more in-depth, plain text version of Taleb's IQ debunking, read this

https://medium.com/@seanaaron100/intelligence-complexity-and-the-failed-science-of-iq-4fb17ce3f12

[Anonymous No.18373844]

>>18373797

>OMG IM SO SMART
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T CHERRYPICK AND TRY TO USE ISOLATED/EXCEPTIONAL CASES TO POKE HOLES IN GENERAL PREDICTIVE MODELS OF MASSIVE SAMPLE SIZED HUMAN POPULATIONS??

[Anonymous No.18373858]

>>18373749
>>18373769
I never said it's not predictive retard. I said retards like you try to use it as a predictive measure beyond what it was ever intended to by spergs like you. It was created in WW1 to diagnose who was too retarded to be cannon fodder, retarded enough to be cannon fodder.

[Anonymous No.18373868]

>>18373794
>It's clearly more like 130.
According to which studies?

[Anonymous No.18373911]

Taleb is a genius. I highly suggest reading Antifragile. Heroic.

[Anonymous No.18373931]

>>18373858

It has evolved considerably since its inception. You're going to have a hard time arguing anything if you keep clinging to a literally 100 year old idea of what the IQ test or IQ analysis is.

>>18373868

The ones posted in this thread already?

[Anonymous No.18373960]

>>18373931
>The ones posted in this thread already?
Which and where?

[Anonymous No.18373971]

>>18371819
Absolutely not. He is being deliberately dishonest on the topic (for reasons of moral panic I suspect) and gets his math BTFO right here. There are also many studies that show that IQ is highly predictive of outcomes at the high end of the curve, too, and there isn't a threshold where it stops losing its predictive power.

BTFO of Nassim Math:
https://www.jsmp.dk/posts/2019-06-16-talebiq/

[Anonymous No.18373989]

>>18370200
He is a sandnigger but 90% based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.18374001]

>>18373810
I said I was dumbing it down retard. Obviously that's not the case. It's called hyperbole to carry home my point that a very small amount of people create much of what we call our society and IQ is very poor for accounting these people. Asians have higher average IQs, but why have they created nothing compared to Europeans? Average IQ of countries just shows us what countries can be functional and not which ones are ingenious.

[Anonymous No.18374007]

>>18372232
Wrong.
His math BTFO'd:

https://www.jsmp.dk/posts/2019-06-16-talebiq/

[Anonymous No.18374010]

>>18373960

Do your own homework retard. Where the fuck did you arrive at the conclusion that anything past the literal mean IQ is "unpredictable"?

Here's a Google template for you:
>IQ and income

[Anonymous No.18374015]

He said the pandemic isn't a black swan and has refused every media interview - that's the biggest example of his basedness

[Anonymous No.18374033]

>>18374001

You keep trying to pretend like you're talking down to me but your points are the most base, garbage shit I'd expect from a middle schooler and you're seriously butthurt about the entire concept of IQ for some reason. How about you chill out and fuck off or something? Your ranting and raving isn't going to make psychologists stop using IQ as their go-to base metric of general intelligence.

[Anonymous No.18374041]

>>18373054
https://www.jsmp.dk/posts/2019-06-16-talebiq/

He didn't put shit to bed. He is being politically correct and being a hypocrite by using sophistry to mislead his cult following, who chooses to ignore mountains of evidence on the topic.

[Anonymous No.18374047]

I saw Nassim Taleb at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

[Anonymous No.18374048]

>>18374010
Burden of proof faggot. You posted a bunch of studies finding a (still relatively modest) correlation between IQ and some other factor, which used the full spectrum of IQ rather than the 100+ spectrum that I'm talking about. The correlation is largely dependent on the subset of low IQ people, for whom most things in life are negative.

[Anonymous No.18374105]

>>18374048

The burden of proof is on the massive fuckwit who said anything past an IQ of 100 is useless in the face of the modern psychological consensus that this is not the case

Jesus Christ. This is Dunning-Kruger: The Thread, Angry Nigger Edition.

[Anonymous No.18374122]

>>18374047
That is the weirdest copypasta fanfiction I have seen in a while

[Anonymous No.18374124]

>>18373697
No, it fucking does not. This is another bullshit Taleb talking point that is parroted by his cultists.
The IQ threshold hypothesis - the idea that, after IQ 120, additional IQ points don't translate into higher achievement - is false. Even among the top 1% (roughly IQ 137+), higher IQ predicts greater achievement.

https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1014304776278822912

[Anonymous No.18374130]

>>18374048
Would you prefer your child to have 101IQ or 161IQ when he grew up

[Anonymous No.18374146]

>>18373765
100% wrong. There is mountains of evidence that say otherwise.
https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1014304776278822912
The IQ threshold hypothesis - the idea that, after IQ 120, additional IQ points don't translate into higher achievement - is false. Even among the top 1% (roughly IQ 137+), higher IQ predicts greater achievement.

[Anonymous No.18374160]

>>18374015
So hes saying the pandemic was manufactured? Wow tell me something i dont know... kikes needed a good excuse to crash the markets after they filled their shorts

[Anonymous No.18374174]

>>18374033
>psychologists
NOOOOOOOO, WHAT WILL I EVER DO WITHOUT THE PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT OF A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO SAY TRANNIES ARE MENTALLY SANE

You lost the argument and are Chadposting to cope. Goodnight Imbecile!

[Anonymous No.18374189]

>>18370200

[Anonymous No.18374199]

>>18373350
>Newton had a high IQ because IQ theory predicts it
>IQ theory is right because Newton was smart and obviously had a high IQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

[Anonymous No.18374238]

>>18374199

You know there's a point, where someone is so obviously and demonstrably intelligent, as well as autistic, that it isn't really hard to surmise that his IQ was exceptional as well. Unless you actually think Isaac Newton had the same IQ as your common secretary or day laborer. Do you ever talk to these kinds of people? If you aren't able to gauge their spot yourself you might in fact be a dumbass as well.

[Anonymous No.18374265]

>>18371015
If you know his writing style especially his twitter style you will see it here. I remember there was an anti stoic thread talking about Seneca’s heroin use and he gave a ballistic 200 IQ response mathematically showing the value of staying in your own neighborhood doing it small and calm vs. chasing in the big city. It was insane. Only wish I had capped it.

[Anonymous No.18374270]

>>18374199
Imagine being as literally retarded as (You)

[Anonymous No.18374280]

>>18374124
>>18374007
>NOOOOOOO LOOK AT MY SHITTY TWEETS AND BLOGPOSTS USING THIRD-RATE STATISTICS THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND BUT AGREES WITH MY POINT!! L-LOOK AT THE LINK GUYS, I DONT NEED TO EXPLAIN IT

[Anonymous No.18374293]

>>18374124
kek, all you did was identify outlier effects. If you dissect the 99th percentile into quartiles, you predictably create three bins where there is virtually no effect (99th, 99.25th, 99.5th) and allow even more extreme outlier grouping. You could do this perpetually to 99.9th, 99.99th, 99.999th, etc percentiles and you'd just recapitulate the same graph over and over.

[Anonymous No.18374300]

>>18371470
IQcel cope

[Anonymous No.18374338]

>>18374293
Holy shit. You're retarded. This IS literally what they are comparing. They are saying that the 99.75 significantly outperforms 99.5-99.0

[Anonymous No.18374407]

>>18370421
The average isn't the point of that fund. It's a hedge. You're not supposed to put most of your money in there.
You take a small amount of your money and put it in Taleb's fund, which is designed to make an absolute killing if the market crashes and not much money in other scenarios, and then you follow a regular investment plan knowing that you have insurance if the market suddenly nosedives.

[Anonymous No.18374413]

>>18374124
Holy Brainlet

The difference in income is even smaller than your dick. The ABSOLUTE state of IQ fags.

[Anonymous No.18374433]

>>183742
Introduction
In this post I look into the document by Nassim Taleb: IQ is largely a pseudoscientific swindle. Most of the document is just a rant, but he does make some quantitative claims, which is good. I investigate the veracity of these claims using real data.

Nassim Claim:
Turns out IQ beats random selection in the best of applications by less than 6%

To look at something a little more realistic, let’s say a company wants to avoid people with a performance more than 2 standard deviations below the mean. (Perhaps such employees have a risk of causing large harm, which could for instance be an issue in the military.) And we again compare admitting people at random vs only taking applicants with above average IQ.

If the company admits people at random, we get this proportion of people with a performance more than 2 SD below the mean:

bad_performance_w_random_selection <-
nrow(filter(df, performance < -2)) / n

bad_performance_w_random_selection
0.0228
And if the company only takes applicants with above average IQ, we get this proportion of people with a performance more than 2 SD below the mean:

bad_performance_w_iq_criteria <-
nrow(filter(above_average_iq, performance < -2)) /
nrow(above_average_iq)

bad_performance_w_iq_criteria
0.00406
This is an improvement by a factor of:

bad_performance_w_random_selection / bad_performance_w_iq_criteria
5.6
In other words, using IQ selection criteria in this case beats random selection by more than 450%. Quite different than the claimed 6%.

[Anonymous No.18374502]

>I'm actually super smart!
>Also I have an absurd, and suspicious bone to pick with the entire concept of IQ which is only ever intended to be use a rough gauge of general intelligence and predictor for some kinds of life outcomes

I'm still trying to put this one together. The fuck is wrong with y'all? What made you this way. Is this another commie/chapotard thing?

[Anonymous No.18374571]

>>18374502
You need drugs to fucking learn your insecure loser. Leave the board.

[Anonymous No.18374610]

>>18373989
I'm starting to think Arabs are pretty based.
After all they conquered a lot of Europe and had the Islamic Golden Age.
They're also swarthy and virile and masculine... hnngh.

[Anonymous No.18374611]

He is obviosuly totally wrong about the iq thing when he compares arabs and japs or whatever
and say arabs underperformance is not because they have just really shitty IQ compared to japs.

Certainly there is a big correlation of cultures, nations and average iqs and how well they perform. And higher iq over 120 certainly do help especially for anything that requires visual
spatial intelligence, physics and so on..

IQ correlates with higher paycheck too and better test taking. Also one thing he probably misses is that iq correlates with creativity _only_ to a degree.

In general mostly a pseudo scientist that have pseuyo intellectuals cult following. Makes money selling books for pseudo intellectual cultists, not by trading

[Anonymous No.18374612]

>>18374571

>actually going back and saving that
>isn't even my post, I just saved the pic

I'm aware of my weaknesses, are you aware of your schizophrenia and incredible insecurity? I get it, you're fucking insane. Just insane. Lmao

[Anonymous No.18374707]

>>18374612
>yeah bro, I’ve posted the same image with the same file name several times but this is the first time I posted it
Shut Up Schizo

[Anonymous No.18374720]

>>18374338
You're measuring a fractal. Google 'the Pareto principle'

[Anonymous No.18374778]

>>18374707

>digging through the archive to find a picture and wave it as some kind of response
>I'm the schizo

You're fucking deranged, and probably smell like piss. This is your average anti-IQ'er

[Anonymous No.18374847]

>>18374778
>digging
>just clicks [View Same]
You’re low IQ if you think this took any effort

[Anonymous No.18374873]

>>18372997
why do I score higher on pattern recognition tests than any other IQ test?

[Anonymous No.18374895]

>>18373204
Were you tested as a kid?

[Anonymous No.18374899]

>>18370200
because no one gave a shit for the 12 years they kept buying OTM puts at a loss.

[Anonymous No.18374924]

>>18374847

I don't really care what a smelly incel thinks of anything honestly. I'm still trying to imagine what kind of person sees a picture and then autistically rushes to the archive rather than addressing the post or its substance. Oh I know, a redditor. Probably a chapotard. You're literally trying to dig through my post history you faggot.

[Anonymous No.18374933]

>>18374899
He’s made more money this month than you did in the last 12 years

[Anonymous No.18375004]

>>18374933
Yes, but what I'm underscoring is it's easy to look at this strategy in hindsight now having actually paid off and say it was smart. Much much harder to look at this strategy as it was a loser for more than a DECADE and continue to believe in it. Not talking down on them in particular since they were right to do so, but trying to underscore how hard it is to be right and stick with your convictions when the market is pillaging your asshole day in and day out for a decade.

[Anonymous No.18375036]

>>18374924
>guys I never begged how to drugs on fucking 4channel.org
>okay, I did make all those posts
Listen buddy, the only reason why I checked the archives was because I remember seeing that picture before and the anon getting BTFOd in that thread just as you are now you anxiety-ridden druggie cuck.

[Anonymous No.18375084]

>>18375004
He’s shown several times how well this strategy works. Everything worthwhile takes disciple and patience.

[Anonymous No.18375252]

>>18374122
newfag

[Anonymous No.18375287]

>>18370200
King

[Anonymous No.18375315]

>>18374124
aspiecel cope

[Anonymous No.18375335]

>>18375036

BTFO'd in what way? Being the logical person that I am, I asked for suggestions on how to attain amphetamines to take my performance to the next level. The next level from an already good level, I make great money and have a good investment portfolio, but I want to be rich. The only person BTFO'ing themself is the salty redditor who wanted to go into my post history and downvote me rather than replying to my simple query. As far s the hierarchy of online posters go, you're pond scum.

[Anonymous No.18375340]

>>18370200
He warned everyone on 26th of January
https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1221486205847646208

[Anonymous No.18375348]

>>18372371
the correlation of iq and success is predictive only at lower iq levels. Because of this, it is not a proper regression in that it breaks a few properties of linearity: (homoskedasticity, normality of residuals etc)

[Anonymous No.18375393]

>>18374047
wut

[Anonymous No.18375399]

>>18373484
>If I took a group of 100 people with an IQ of 115, and a group of 100 people with an IQ of 85, and asked both groups to figure out how to build a house

The confusion probably rises because taleb confuses creativity and iq, and the difference between nation wide studies and outlier individuals. Schizhoprenics (0.5% of population) for example have low iq but abnormally high creativity, they usually dont seem to 'slow' at all when you talk to them but they are horrible test takers

[Anonymous No.18375425]

>>18375335
This is sad anon, get help for your addiction

[Anonymous No.18375443]

>>18371470
IQ is good at predicting if you're an idiot that's what it was designed for

[Anonymous No.18375464]

>open thread waiting to read strategies how to make money
>discussion about iq

[Anonymous No.18375467]

>>18375399

The useful part of IQ is that it's generalized. It isn't going to say much about the individual, but since it has a correlation with other kinds of intelligences by proxy (social and musical intelligence for instance), if you reach a good enough sample size and IQ threshold you can be probabilistically assured that the group is "better" at X intelligence than the lower group.

[Anonymous No.18375504]

>>18375425

Is that what you tell the guys on Wall Street making hand over fist while coked out? I'm sure they're jealous of mommy's basement and your strict diet of apples and water.

[Anonymous No.18375629]

>>18375467
>if you reach a good enough sample size and IQ threshold you can be probabilistically assured that the group is "better" at X intelligence than the lower group.

Yes,.Absolutely

[Anonymous No.18375775]

>>18370926
>>18371071

Well done anons

[Anonymous No.18375790]

>>18375443
Mabe I have to change my view? Taleb, explain this.

[Anonymous No.18375811]

>>18375340
is it true Singapore heeded his direct advice on the extreme shutdown measures? In any case it's a nice told-ya-so to the world but he is a risk engineer and probably suggests the over cautionary path about many things that never happen.

[Anonymous No.18375860]

>>18375811
He says the precautionary principle is only to be followed if there is an explosive event like a Pandemic

[Anonymous No.18375869]

>>18373204
lots of geniuses in here
I have 94 iq

[Anonymous No.18375917]

>>18370200
Can't get more based than this.

[Anonymous No.18375936]

>>18375811
Economy is fucked btw

[Anonymous No.18376059]

>>18375936
won't it bounce back rather quick for this one.. what is going to be in such high demand on the other side of this hibernation? Seems everyone has time enough to sort their own problems out by then.

[Anonymous No.18376136]

[Anonymous No.18376207]

>>18376059
For him the problem is overoptimization
https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1240991979535728641

[Anonymous No.18376483]

>>18375790
He used the Winsorized dataset. There, explained. Taleb fundamentaly disagrees with such data massaging.

[Anonymous No.18376525]

>>18376207
were we overoptimised or designing with a safety factor of 1.05 instead of 4?
luckily computer networks are over-provisioned for something like 8x the near-term expected rare peak, so the internet is not going down while we are under house arrest.

[Anonymous No.18376592]

>>18372887
all this tells you is that if you're determined to game a system to measure intelligence, at the individual level, you can do so
at the population level, most participants don't autistically spam IQ tests all day. in fact one of the argument from the IQ-deniers is that IQ tests are too alien in their cultural assumptions to the lower IQ populations
population wide trends are all anyone sensible should care about in this context

[Anonymous No.18376614]

>>18375869
based

[Anonymous No.18376685]

>>18372367
Literally what he would answer actually. I read your book motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.18377000]

>>18374047
Saw this about Ryan Gosling hahaha
Plus Taleb wouldn't be in LA he would be in Glendale with Armenians or Anaheim with the Arabs.

[Anonymous No.18377546]

>>18374124
but the predictive model falls apart we get to these extremes where there will be so few people to compare outcomes to. This whole thread boils down to just /pol race and iq geneticist incels.

[Anonymous No.18378075]

I have a high IQ. It's a meme for the low IQz.

[Anonymous No.18378348]

>>18374122
>>18375393
>>18377000
corona = eternal summer

[Anonymous No.18379756]

>>18376525
> were we overoptimised or designing with a safety factor of 1.05 instead of 4?
What's the difference?

[Anonymous No.18380097]

>>18370292
The most based seafaring culture in history

[Anonymous No.18380171]

>>18371819
Look up "Deadlifting is a Pseudoscientific Swindle", laugh your ass off, then realize the ultimate black swan - Taleb really can be wrong.

[Anonymous No.18380326]

>>18374189
This is stupid as fuck and who ever made this conclusion should kill themselves. Life (outside of pignigger normie cattle sphere) has always been about power, truth, knowledge, and understanding. This is definitely reaching for connections.

[Anonymous No.18381342]

>>18375790
>80-90 slightly lower than <80

lmao

[Anonymous No.18381542]

>>18373672
>linking a retarded pseud crackhead in a thread about an actual biz genius
get out

[Anonymous No.18381634]

In all my time on 4chainz, I've never seen anyone unironically claim <110IQ, and yet this is the most useless cesspit of degenerates I have ever seen.

[Anonymous No.18381994]

Taleb is just mad that his sand people are low IQ

[Anonymous No.18382294]

[Anonymous No.18382349]

>interesting premise for a thread, potential discussion of strategies used
>derails into IQ shitflinging and e-statting
kys

this board should be nuked

[Anonymous No.18382394]

>>18382349
so what? the fund bought puts at the top and made 3600%, nothing spectacular about that

[Anonymous No.18382424]

>>18382394
>they just bought puts bro
Well yeah but the discussion of a retrospective why is far more interesting, but apparently the 140-IQ geniuses on /biz/ disagree

[Anonymous No.18383405]

Are any of his books worth reading

[Anonymous No.18383455]

>>18382424
i was gonna answer you by talking about the barbell and butterfly spreads but yea this board is trash

[Anonymous No.18383465]

>>18383405
Yes, all of them

[Anonymous No.18383499]

>>18372324
where's the inconsistency my retarded friend?

[Anonymous No.18383661]

I love him other than his stance on IQ hes right about many things.

[Anonymous No.18383770]

>>18383405
you will have his voice railing in your head once you read him

[Anonymous No.18384868]

Taleb is so based.

[Anonymous No.18384906]

>>18381342
nice catch
would really like to see 130, 140, 150, 160+

[Anonymous No.18384930]

>>18382394
buying puts cant be a good long term strategy? just buy puts every month as a hedge during a bull run?

[Anonymous No.18385858]

>>18374146
This.

It's well established in psychology that basically the only TRUE tests that have ever stood up to rigorous testing are the Big Five personality traits and IQ.

Most major companies use cognitive testing to screen candidates because the research shows how effective it is. They wouldn't use it and risk missing out on talent if it didn't work. My gf has a psychology degree and works in HR so she's had to study this and has told me a lot about it.

[Anonymous No.18386357]

>>18385858
>Big Five personality traits and IQ.
do you believe in astrology too

[Anonymous No.18386371]

>>18386357

>u can't know nuthin XD

[Anonymous No.18386529]

>>18373499
>If by score low you mean testing a more innate, natural, ever present type of intellect
That's not really what IQ tests do, they exist to compare school performance to peers.

[Anonymous No.18386622]

>>18370421
It's Lebabese you Arabist idiot

[Anonymous No.18386711]

>>18374146
>Acheivements = being a poorfag
Taleb showed that any level above 100 IQ makes no difference in predicting poorfagness, poorfag. Hopefully you will be able to publish a STEM publication that does not replicate, out of your mothers basement one day.

[Anonymous No.18387090]

>>18385858
>believing psychology
lmao, start trading with astrology too
in retrospect, odds are that astrology is way more accurate than psychology, at least astrology won't fake it's bullshit data

[Anonymous No.18387825]

Bros, which side of the San Andreas fault line should I live on?

On the one hand i believe in "black swans" and think a big one could sink the coast. But I've read the book so many times that a scenario where the rest of the world sinks leaving the coast the only remanding land on earth is toying with my mind.

[Anonymous No.18388110]

>>18387825
If you're trying to do a risk assessment of something you predict to happen in the future its hardly a black swan

[Anonymous No.18388128]

>>18370200
Ignoring the fact that most of these funds do miserably all the time. Literally the only people doing well are the ones who have been betting against the market for the last ten years.

[Anonymous No.18389085]

>>18370530
stfu nigger

[Anonymous No.18389187]

>>18383405
I haven't read anything of his but his lectures are worth listening to for the high-level concepts, it'll have you asking:
>how do I make an antifragile chair?
>how do I take an antifragile shit?
>are the women in my org chart exposed symmetrically?
>is marriage for turkeys?
>why aren't my kids seizing the means of fun from the ground up?
>do foot-fags control hollywood?

[Anonymous No.18389221]

>>18373544
IQ is a general intelligence test, there is no such thing as types of intelligence.
you cite some anecdotal shit
then end in some fantasy middle ground compromise between the two, that's not how shit works. You can't compromise on theories in science just because. It either is or isn't