FUCK

[Anonymous No.18354339]

What the fuck bros? How much longer will we suffer under this rigged capitalist economy? Fucking revolution when?

[Anonymous No.18354346]

anti wealth scum

[Anonymous No.18354404]

>>18354339
>imagine thinking any revolution ever changed anything, especially for the average Joe

yes, let's replace one set of faces and phrases for another, that will solve everyhting

[Anonymous No.18354458]

>>18354339
If Biden and Sanders would gay fuck each other I would pay to watch that.

[Anonymous No.18354466]

>>18354339
Never. Amerifags never revolt meanwhile France riots over a gas tax.

[Anonymous No.18354480]

>>18354339
Organise your workers and unionise, the government never cared for the average Joe and they'll never let anyone who does in

[Anonymous No.18354496]

>>18354339
SANDERS COUGHED

[Anonymous No.18354505]

>>18354480
>>18354466
>>18354404
>>18354339
NO REFUNDS

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[Anonymous No.18354552]

Now Bernie will buy another mansion to celebrate another successful campaign. No refunds goy

[Anonymous No.18354569]

professional loser

[Anonymous No.18354575]

>>18354466

Probably cause the French are taxed 60% as is

[Anonymous No.18354624]

Pic very, very related

[Anonymous No.18354640]

>>18354339
>it's real

[Anonymous No.18354668]

>>18354575
Someone doesn't understand tax brakets and is obviously underage get out

[Anonymous No.18354680]

>>18354668

Actually I do, that's why I know that their total effective tax burden is ridiculous. Why don't you get out you commie fag retard?

[Anonymous No.18354703]

Will the markets stay bullish if trump wins?

[Anonymous No.18354710]

Every four years Sanders supporters need to be reminded that HE'S NOT A FUCKING DEMOCRAT. They will never allow a non-demcrat to be the Democrat nominee.
He's an independent far left politician that takes your donations (after a sizeable percent of skimming) and dumps them on the eventual nominee.

[Anonymous No.18354732]

i didn't even get to vote in NY, just changed my voter registration to green party and I low key hope trump wins

[Anonymous No.18354812]

Vote third party to get a party over the 5% threshold.

[Anonymous No.18354822]

a jew can never be president of the united states. a bit too hands-on for them, better to have a muppet the population can blame problems on instead.

[Anonymous No.18354876]

The Jew shill Jew shilled AGAIN lol

[Anonymous No.18354910]

Thanks for the contributions goys. Going to upgrade to a Lambo next

[Anonymous No.18355038]

>>18354680
If you make $30k in the us you take home after tax about $25,700 if you make $30k in the UK you take home after tax about $24k the average American spends more than $1,700 on insurance so sounds like you pay more in taxes

[Anonymous No.18355146]

>>18354339
>literal communist jew uses broad slogans and catchphrases to hoard millions donations from American college babies then just gives up
>as soon as the donations get to his pocket, said jew hoards them up his ass and suddenly wealth redistribution isn't a priority anymore
>literally the same thing happened just 4 years ago
>"OH MY GOD IT'S THE CAPITALISTS, WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE, REVOLUTION WHEN!!!!!1!"
Peak reddit moment

[Anonymous No.18355173]

>>18355038

Who gives a fuck about poverty level wages? If you make $50k+ you're going to have a way better time in the US. Life is about chasing your dreams not settling for slave tier work retard. Slave brains get a slave life, it's insane that European countries reward it rather than letting them deal with their own lack of ability and ambition.

[Anonymous No.18355199]

I didn't think I liked Biden until I saw what insane seethe he can produce. Absolute Mad lad.

[Anonymous No.18355220]

How will Bernie exit scamming his supporters for the second time affect crypto markets?

[Anonymous No.18355226]

>>18354339
>giant corporate bailouts
>UBI
>medicare for all coming
>unemployment that pays better than working
The revolution already came and went. Turns out Trump and Republicans are actually more socialist than Sanders LMAO

[Anonymous No.18355238]

>>18355173
no really. Americans have no idea how tax burdens work and just assume theirs is lower across the board cause they rank 7th in economic freedom or some shit so they are the pinicle of low taxes. Also health insurance is cited as one of the main reasons Americans don't take career risks.

[Anonymous No.18355270]

>>18355238

I've gone through this math before, rest assured Europeans absolutely have higher income tax levels than Americans in general, especially the famed Nordic states.

e.g. in Sweden you're going to start seeing an effective tax rate of ~70% when taking everything in combination, after you get past $60k/year in income. You are literally not allowed to build your own generational wealth, that is property of the state. No thanks.

[Anonymous No.18355306]

>>18355238
>>18355270

directly from the socialist's mouth:

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/01/ocasio-cortez-taxes-rich-sweden

Anyone who wakes up early in the morning for a full day of wagiehood 5 days a week isn't "rich", no matter if they're making $40k or 200k. The "rich" are the welfare class and the elite class who coast off of capital gains. Income taxes are wage slavery.

[Anonymous No.18355312]

is it true that taxing billionaires 10% more wouldnt generate nearly as much revenue as taxing he middle class 1% more?

[Anonymous No.18355337]

>>18354624
Yeah this is kind of how I'm feeling.

I like Bernie for a few reasons.

1) Bernie means what he says (he's been saying the same shit his whole career) and he's authentic. If he ever actually became President he would have implemented exactly what he's been nagging about all these years. He's not a fraud like Trump or Biden. What you see is what you get with Bernie

2) He's more anti-establishment than Trump could ever even PRETEND to be. Bernie would have legitimately "drained the swamp" of all the Big Pharma, Big Energy, etc. etc. paid shills in the White House. The Powers That Be were never going to allow that.

3) He represented something new that we haven't tried before. I don't agree with socialism entirely but I was willing to give Bernie's vision a try because his end-goals (healthcare for everyone, namely) make a lot of sense to me.

That all being said, now it just felt like another hopeless meme dream. Trump's initial campaign felt like that too, but he was a fucking bull in a China shop and didn't play by the rules. Bernie always tried to keep things civilized and was too respectful of the status quo. It's like he didn't want to upset the bigwigs of the Democratic Party, and that's why he failed. Anyways I'm voting for Trump in 2020. Nothing against Biden but he has dementia and I couldn't bear to have the fucking leeches and vile cockroaches behind the scenes of the Democratic Party run the country while they wheel Biden out in a wheel chair once a week and pretend he's still alive. No thanks.

[Anonymous No.18355416]

>>18354339
>Fucking revolution when?
Don't worry goy, i'll take care of it, we just need some "sacrifices", after all "you cannot make a revolution with silk gloves".
Somebody must control the people to preserve our beloved efforts to change this world.

[Anonymous No.18355433]

>>18355337
>believing a literal jew could ever be anti-establishment
>implying someone who's been in office for nearly 30 years and hasn't done anything worth noting will actually do something once he's president
>implying someone who lets BLM niggers and Peta trannies walk all over him will stand up to corporations and other world leaders
Massive cope

[Anonymous No.18355454]

[Anonymous No.18355509]

>>18355337
>Bernie is authentic!!!!
Why is this such a common meme with the American nouveau-Left?
It is the second time now that he spends weeks roleplaying as the only one who can save the USA from racist fascist capitalist xenophobes, only to end up supporting a establishment candidate (Clinton 16/Biden 30).

How is this authenticity?

[Anonymous No.18355541]

>>18355509
>Biden 20
Fixed

[Anonymous No.18355542]

I'm still voting Bernie in November and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me. Fix the electoral college and maybe I'd give a shit about this rigged system.

[Anonymous No.18355557]

>>18355433
>hasn't done anything worth noting

Patently false. Bernie getting the unemployment details into the 'economic stimulus' bill was just the latest example of how Bernie gets things done. You're a fucking bozo consoomer who gets bullshit shoveled down his throat by online sources and believes everything he reads. Do your own research you little bitch.

>literal jew

Doesn't fucking matter retard, he was anti-Zionist and less of a friend to Israel or AIPAC than Trump or Biden. That's an objective truth.

>implying someone who lets BLM niggers and Peta trannies walk all over him will stand up to corporations and other world leaders

Don't care about that at all - looks like it's just another one of your schizophrenic beliefs that clouds your dull smoothbrain mental.

[Anonymous No.18355587]

>>18354339
Bernie is based

[Anonymous No.18355617]

>>18355509
Because he's a career politician who has been espousing the same ideas since the early 80's. If you think he's not authentic maybe go read about his early career in politics and see if it matches up with his current ideals. Hint: it does

his problem is that he plays ball with the Democratic Party. He ends up supporting the establishment candidate not because he agrees with them, but because he capitulates to their power and throws in the towel. Has nothing to do with his authenticity.

[Anonymous No.18355619]

>>18355557
>he believes in the anti-zionist jew meme that somehow the jews in the media keep promoting as a viable candidate
point at him and laugh, everyone

[Anonymous No.18355651]

>>18355337
>>18355557
>>18355617

[Anonymous No.18355912]

>>18355270
I honestly have no idea how the swedish tax system works. So let's just admit it is two of us. Anon was talking about the UK. Also the United States has 50 different state tax systems and even some municipals are fairly aggressive.

[Anonymous No.18355979]

>>18355912

My fundamental point is that the trade off of living in a progressive state is that they think making anything north of $70k is evil and will tax the hell out of it, making your pursuit of early retirement, financial independence, or generational wealth basically impossible. Sure, it's a little better for the person at the bottom, but who aspires to be that? I've had plenty of conversations with European professionals who dream of a move to the US and the reasoning is always the same: much better taxes, and higher salaries. The progressive state is basically feudalism by another name.

[Anonymous No.18356046]

>>18355979
>My fundamental point is that the trade off of living in a progressive state is that they think making anything north of $70k is evil and will tax the hell out of it,
Right this is obviously wrong. You are strawmanning neoliberal states as thinking $70k is "evil and wrong" when even the simply because you assume their tax structure is more progressive without any evidence and knowledge.
>making your pursuit of early retirement, financial independence, or generational wealth basically impossible.
I mean Im a leaf not a Euro. But I save virtually nothing by living in Vancouver over Seattle especially with health insurance factored in. I only make $70k a year haven't paid any income tax yet thanks to my stockpile of student tax credits and rrsp contributions so i think retirement early is fine here.
>Sure, it's a little better for the person at the bottom,
Or say Alberta's case the person at the top
>I've had plenty of conversations with European professionals who dream of a move to the US and the reasoning is always the same: much better taxes, and higher salaries. The progressive state is basically feudalism by another name.
Sure I have met deluded people as well

[Anonymous No.18356098]

>>18355979
>The progressive state is basically feudalism by another name.
except feudalism actually worked

[Anonymous No.18356116]

>>18356046
man vancouver and BC in general are awful for saving, the housing market is so hot that employers are willing to lowball salaries because people just want to live there so bad

I'm in KW Ontario at the moment making 140k, the equivalent job in BC was like 80k and much higher rent

[Anonymous No.18356127]

>>18356046

Thanks for this heaping pile of shit response lol. So it was a Canadian lecturing me on my lack of understanding of European tax systems that I know to be factually more imposing on middle to high earners, 4chan really has everything you could possibly want

[Anonymous No.18356132]

>>18355617
Sounds like he's authentically a simp for the Democratic Party, no thanks. Looks like plenty of others agree, cya Bernouts AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.18356137]

NO REFUNDS YOU FUCKING SCUM COMMUNISTS. BIDEN GETS ALL OF YOUR MONEY NOW.

[Anonymous No.18356148]

[Anonymous No.18356154]

>>18356098
Rekt

[Anonymous No.18356178]

>>18356116
Sure it is the most deair place to love on the planet appearantly. That makes property expensive when you favtor in the ocean and mountains fucking expansion. My point was in relation to taxes. Assuming no credits I would pay like a few grand less in Seattle but insurance equivalent to MSP would probably eat that.
>>18356127
I am going to assume you know literally nothing about taxes since you don't understand how they even work in your own country and think increasing marginal rates are "feudalism"

[Anonymous No.18356188]

>>18356148
>>18356132
The average age of /pol/ redditors has to be like 16 or something

[Anonymous No.18356189]

>>18354466
Became more than the gas tax.

[Anonymous No.18356206]

>>18356178
>I am going to assume you know literally nothing about taxes since you don't understand how they even work in your own country and think increasing marginal rates are "feudalism"

I'm not going to care about your opinion because I understand business, finance, and how to navigate optimal economic environments and don't buy into reddit tier dogma that only hurts my own upside.

[Anonymous No.18356221]

>>18356206
>business, finance, and how to navigate optimal economic environments
all these buzzwords lmao
Hey I have a great ponzi uhhh I mean investment opportunity for a smart individual such as yourself.

[Anonymous No.18356225]

>>18354339
You won't do anything pussy.
You can't bring yourself to work let alone start a revolution

[Anonymous No.18356288]

>The average age of /pol/ redditors has to be like 16 or something

[Anonymous No.18356309]

>>18356188
Textbook cope because I'm 30, you fucking moron. I wonder, how intellectually superior you must feel to be consistently BTFO by the Democratic Party's establishment? To have your political ideals never, ever reach the fruition of mainstream adoption. Surely, if everyone else were as intelligent as you, we would see the light.

Actually, hold that thought. Update us on your thoughts when Trump wins re-election.

[Anonymous No.18356317]

>>18356188
>VOTE FOR THE OLD SOCIALIST JEW WHO WANTS TO TAKE YOU 90%. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS THE FINANCE AND BUSINESS BOARD AND PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE MONEY WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING

[Anonymous No.18356322]

>>18356221

>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DONT WANT TO PAY 50% OF YOUR INCOME TO THE HECKIN GOVERNMENTARINO?? YOU'RE ONLY HURTING YOURSELF!!

[Anonymous No.18356379]

>>18356322
Can you explain how you arrived at your 50% number. And how it applies across income brackets in all of Europe (44?) Can you explain how you accounted for substitution bias in your ppi calculation? what about differences in tax credits? Did you factor in public good provisions? how did you account for does and doesn't use these?
I heard you are a tax expert so if you managed to get a remotely accurate number I would love to see your math.

[Anonymous No.18356389]

>>18356137
I think he's giving all the money to a coronavirus fund

[Anonymous No.18356445]

>>18356322

>50% of your income

Either you fell for the bernie fud or your yearly income is over 10MM

I have a feeling which one it is

[Anonymous No.18356450]

>>18354466
Amerimutts like to talk about muh freedom while they get strangled by the elite

[Anonymous No.18356466]

>>18354910
>Hard work shouldn't be rewarded

[Anonymous No.18356496]

>>18356379

Oh, now he's going to get pedantic. Of course it varies by country, which is why this discussion has been general and more on a philosophical basis. If you actually think you can have your cake and eat it too you're a moron. The US factually collects less taxes than the rest of the West:

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-compare-internationally

You can easily pick out countries like Germany and Denmark where taxes for individuals making north of $100k (or Euro) are absurd. It's literally impossible to store up and accrue your own wealth in any remotely timely fashion that allows you to enjoy it.

I couldn't imagine going to bat for 10-15 less years in retirement. Slave brain as I said

[Anonymous No.18356502]

>>18356309
>To have your political ideals never, ever reach the fruition of mainstream adoption
Hows the wall coming?

[Anonymous No.18356505]

>>18356379
The bottom 20% of americans are richer than the average yuro

[Anonymous No.18356517]

>>18356445

We're not talking about Bernie you idiot. I have a feeling where you migrated from.

[Anonymous No.18356539]

>>18356502

Despite the combined might of liberal politicians and courts, it's coming along swell now!

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/04/02/crews-still-hard-at-work-on-trumps-border-wall-despite-stay-home-orders-and-coronavirus-pandemic/

This is what a politician who works on your behalf looks like...

[Anonymous No.18356569]

>>18356539
Trump is a moron and the wall will do nothing. I say this as a monarchist and not some gay liberal.

[Anonymous No.18356581]

>>18356496
>tax revenue as a percentage of GDP
This doesn't account for differences in GDP, doesn't account for provision of public goods etc.
>Individuals making north of $100k do you understand what the word "marginal" means?
>10-15 less years in retirement
the average retirement age in Germany is 2 years older.

[Anonymous No.18356591]

>>18356569
The wall keeps unwelcome people out. We should have more of those walls.

[Anonymous No.18356607]

>>18355146
> suddenly wealth redistribution isn't a priority anymore
You didn't really think he wants to distribute HIS wealth kek. Distribute wealth of goyim into his pocket, that's the idea.

[Anonymous No.18356630]

>>18356569

Doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it is getting done. It will do "something", it just isn't a miracle cure for the problem. At the very least it it's symbolic insurance that the next slate of Presidents have a duty to protect the border rather than selling it out for big business interests.

>>18356581

Can you just fuck off. I meant retirement age as in your ability to store up and invest your own compounding wealth not their official government mandate.

[Anonymous No.18356636]

>>18354339
We won't get anywhere until we develop a new economic system through mass collaboration. Before the revolution, we must have an idea, idea of what a better future should look like and how exactly we're gonna get there.

[Anonymous No.18356639]

>>18356569
Trump is a moron but walls work

[Anonymous No.18356653]

>>18356591
>The wall keeps unwelcome people out.

You really believe that? kek. As long as the welfare state exists they'll fly, swim and tunnel into the USA.

[Anonymous No.18356673]

>>18356517
>Can you just fuck off.
anon you spouted some buzzwords so I want to be inadated by your genius
>official government mandate
No i mean literal AVERAGE as in mean. Right so a mean is when you take the age everyone retired at, add it together and divide by the number of retirees.
Coincidentally some of this tax is likely contributing to some sort of cpp equivalent pension plan they are collecting from. But I am sure you factored that in being the genius you are?

[Anonymous No.18356678]

>>18354339
Bernie avoided taxes, he's a fucking tool lmao, would've been worst economic president even worse than Obama

[Anonymous No.18356687]

>>18356653

If it even stopped 30% of inflows it would be well worth the cost to build it. Illegal immigrants are a net drain on a mature, welfare state society, we don't have endless jobs in construction and agriculture.

[Anonymous No.18356731]

>>18356539
>This is what a politician who works on your behalf looks like...

[Anonymous No.18356735]

>>18356687
You're demoralized 2bh. I can see if you're trying to make the best of a bad situation but in no way should we admit that trump is the ideal or a real replacement for a Sovereign ethno-nationalist monarch.

[Anonymous No.18356747]

>>18356309
>Textbook cope because I'm 30, you fucking moron
>>18356132
>authentically a simp
>Looks like plenty of others agree, cya Bernouts AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn, imagine being 30 years old and typing like this. being a boomer and using the word "simp". Seriously post pics, I want to see what a dude like you looks like

[Anonymous No.18356750]

>>18354339
Biden vs Trump lol. Two retarded boomers going at it will be funny to watch at least.

[Anonymous No.18356761]

>>18356653
You did not see the deeper meaning I implied. No matter. Carry on.

[Anonymous No.18356779]

>>18356607
that's the point I'm trying to make

[Anonymous No.18356781]

>>18356673

> No i mean literal AVERAGE as in mean. Right so a mean is when you take the age everyone retired at, add it together and divide by the number of retirees.
Coincidentally some of this tax is likely contributing to some sort of cpp equivalent pension plan they are collecting from. But I am sure you factored that in being the genius you are?

Let me spell this out for you, you myopic literal peasant lmao. Let's say you make $90k, in X European state your take home is $55k, in the US it's $65k. A tax savings of $10k per annum is well within reason if we're talking about progressive states like Germany.

If you invested that $10k directly into a market fund every year for 25 years it would be worth $800k with 8% YoY returns. That would chop 10-15 years off your time to retire.

When you get overtaxed, they are LITERALLY STEALING YEARS OF YOUR LIFE. I'm not talking about your average wagie retard's life style, I'm talking about your earning and life potential, my earning and life potential, your ability to break the chains of wage servitude, and by extension tax servitude to the state. They don't want you to think like this, they want you to be a good little wage slaving faggot, work for 40 years, and take your beating. You retire when you're in your 60's and you can't enjoy it anymore.

[Anonymous No.18356808]

>>18356761
Are you schizophrenic?

[Anonymous No.18356813]

>>18356735

>Demoralized

Realistic. I lived through Obama and Bush, I don't think I'm hurting right now sweatie. This is actually fucking great, didn't think it was possible to break out of the endless neocon/neolib cycle.

[Anonymous No.18356829]

this is a weak ass democratic nominee. who would ever vote for joe biden. ripe for another democrat candidate to steal the nomination.
also with both trump and biden being old there's also the high possibility of either one stepping down for health reasons even if one of them wins.
expect some major drama, even bigger than the 2000 election

[Anonymous No.18356830]

>>18356813
>to break out of the endless neocon/neolib cycle.

Nothing has been "broken out of". You're thrown some scraps and you think you're not a slave anymore? C'mon anon.

[Anonymous No.18356845]

>THANKS FOR HELPING ME FIGHT THE ESTABLISHMENT FELLOW BERNGOYS! BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME! WHATS THAT, THE BANK CLOSES AT 2 TODAY CUS OF CORONA? GOTTA GO! *CARTOON RUNNING NOISES* NOOOOO REFUUUUUUUNNNnnnnnddddsss....

[QQQ fanboi No.18356849]

>>18354569
+

>>18354624
++

>>18354710
>He's an independent far left politician that takes your donations (after a sizeable percent of skimming) and dumps them on the eventual nominee.
+++

>>18354910
Ha! Too real

>>18355199
Shill detected

>>18355226
This

>>18356137
/thread

[Anonymous No.18356860]

>>18356808
No, I am just telling you that walls to krrp people out are sometimes a fuckin good idea!

[Anonymous No.18356861]

>>18356830

I'm going to go ahead and encourage recent developments and hope for more, rather than being a perma-cynical FUDDER who thinks "better" isn't enough and accidentally reverses our course.

[Anonymous No.18356884]

>>18356539
The wall is pathetically weak and small compared to the promises made, not to mention it means nothing as long as he sticks to his retarded ideas of letting in more "legal" immigrants than ever before.

[Anonymous No.18356918]

>>18356781
This hilarious because you still can't even get the most basic fucking comparison down. Like you can not do a number based on an actual state in the US v.s. an actual country in the EU before you even look at fucking Tax credits/shelters provision of public goods.
What if I told you that European probably paid half what you paid in tuition used, compounded the savings over 60 years used all as a tax credits from said education, contributes to a tax deferred retirement savings plan and that extra $10k (that you made up since X is not a country and US is not a state) also covers his health insurance that has no coopay, and a government pension plan?

[Anonymous No.18356941]

>>18356747
How very progressive and open-minded!

[Anonymous No.18356957]

>>18356884

Oh, another easy one to refute. Nice try.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/02/13/immigration-to-america-is-down-wages-are-up

[Anonymous No.18356958]

>>18354339
>Fucking revolution when?
Kek, hes gonna endorse Biden and you're gonna fucking like it HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.18356982]

>>18355617
>Career politician
...and that is a good thing?

>Same views since the 80s
You mean he is a boomer?

Still am uncapable of seeing what you see in him

[Anonymous No.18356996]

>>18356918
>https://jacobinmag.com/2019/01/ocasio-cortez-taxes-rich-sweden

Weren't you the fag who just ignored my first breakdown? You're dead set on obfuscating the major points with minutiae because you know you're making a non-argument. Can't. have. your cake. and eat it too.

[Anonymous No.18357010]

>>18356982
>Still am uncapable of seeing what you see in him
a fellow hebrew of course

[Anonymous No.18357041]

>>18355226
>Giving people back their tax money is UBI
>Implying corporate bailouts weren't bring passed so Democrats can shit on Trump for it later on
>Medicare for all coming
What are you smoking nigga
>Unemployment pays better than working
1200 for a month isn't ideal

[Anonymous No.18357061]

>>18356996
>>18356918

And here's another calculated breakdown for Germany:

https://www.brutto-netto-rechner.info/gehalt/gross_net_calculator_germany.php

Net pay for 90k Euro earner is 49k.

[Anonymous No.18357082]

>>18354339
>capitalist economy
fucking top kek mate

the government is so fucking big and has their hands into every market, this isnt capitalism at all

too bad bernie supporters have room temperature iq and cant see anything thats really going on

[Anonymous No.18357094]

>>18356505
Yuros blown the fuck out

[Anonymous No.18357098]

>>18356996
First of all the highest marginal rate in Sweden is actually 56%. There are literally European countries that top out lower than the united states. The United States also has significantly higher corporate tax rates so you are going to have to do some calculations with labour market elasticity to better understand who pays more. I don't disagree you will find a case of European paying more than an American. You will also find the reverse. When you factor in public goods it is insanely hard to actually calculate even an isolated example. That's why these compariso are usually by dumbass Americans who don't unde tax.

[Anonymous No.18357102]

>>18356941
you should have just read my original post thoroughly but your reading comprehension is too terrible to make it through more than 4 lines of text

you're a weird 30 year old who posts like a 16 year old; shit like "simp" and "AHAHAHA". Just really bizarre, low IQ stuff. You make me cringe

>>18356982
>Still am uncapable of seeing what you see in him
read my original post in this thread, or don't, I don't really care. But I map out exactly what I saw in Bernie

[Anonymous No.18357162]

>>18357098

"Public goods" sounds like a great way to pretend my taxes actually come back to subsidize me when it's really just a way to keep me from ever getting independently wealthy and making sure the state has a big job and big revenue stream for all time much like a feudal lord nanny. I get that you're a self righteous Canadian but seriously you have to understand not all people are content with a 45-year working life sitting around $50k being a miserable peanut and letting the government feed them and wipe their ass, some of us want to get rich, retire early, and live life to the fullest. Shit, I'd think that's the premise of this board, no? So why are you here cheerleading progressive states like a redditor?

Shit, I forgot what thread I was in. Nvm

[Anonymous No.18357174]

I'm still voting for him since Trump is a retard and pathological liar, and Biden is a senile old man that can't talk

[Anonymous No.18357191]

>>18354339
if you wanted sanders as a president, maybe you should have voted

[Anonymous No.18357197]

>>18355173
Based and Burgerpilled

[Anonymous No.18357206]

>>18356957
Look man I voted for trump in 2016 too but I'm not going to keep trusting the plan like some Q boomer while the US dips below 50% white and he keeps talking about wanting more legal immigration or how much he loves jews or some stupid shit.
I don't need the opinion of some journo.

[Anonymous No.18357229]

>>18357102
I have read your post and I still think your points are moot;
Holding the same views from the Cold War era is not progress.
Being a career politician means he always had a comfortable life and does not know how things work for the common citizen.
He can't claim to be anti-establishment if he, for the second time, pulled out of the race and asked supporters to vote for a mainstream Democrat. And lastly,

>muh medicare for all
I don't even disagree, but basedboys who look at Sanders like he is the second coming of Christ are very, very deluded.

[Anonymous No.18357244]

>>18355619
>that somehow the jews in the media keep promoting as a viable candidate
They were doing the opposite of that.

[Anonymous No.18357285]

>>18355173
Based as fuck, fuck "muh free healthcare" biggest meme of all economics.

[Anonymous No.18357303]

>>18357174
>Dems literally splitting the vote out of spite
Kek 50 state landslide

[Anonymous No.18357321]

>>18357206

Sure you did anon. Sure you did. No need for opinion, trust the numbers. The share of foreign born in US is dipping for the first time in a decade and the share of immigrants is on a decline. Trump has effectively halted much illegal inflows thanks to the new asylum policies and has made cuts to chain migration as well. Don't try to lecture me when you don't pay attention.

[Anonymous No.18357327]

>>18354668
Fuck you commie

[Anonymous No.18357339]

>>18355337
I like Bernie for a few reasons
1) he lost once
2) he lost twice

[Anonymous No.18357345]

>>18357174
You are part of the reason why people think Americans are the dumbest of all human beings

[Anonymous No.18357356]

>>18357162
>"Public goods" sounds like a great way to pretend my taxes actually come back to subsidize me when it's really just a way to keep me from ever getting independently wealthy
No it's objectively something to count. Also google what a public good is. It had nothing to do with if the government actually pays for ot or not (I just assum you unde basic econ terminology)
But if you are going to go by publicly provided goods It is still insanely difficult. For example free countries pay about half the amount per capita on healthcare. But That is because of efficiency gains from their insur systems So how do you factor that into savings? it's not really fair to just compare private insurance to differences in taxes since it's not just an accounting identity. Same as pension plans. You have to factor in that a large part of your imaginary numbers are for government pension plans? will a millionaire get what he puts in back no? but you can still subtract. If he puts in $100k over your life and draw $70k You xan just cost it doen to $30k divided by the years you work, except there is time value of money, inflation market returns that all need to be calculated and you didn't do that. suggesting to me you are a disengenous retard not an actual tax expert.
>not all people are content with a 45-year working life sitting around $50k being a miserable peanut and letting the government feed them and wipe their ass, some of us want to get rich, retire early, and live life to the fullest. Shit, I'd think that's the premise of this board, no?
I understand your giant diatribe had nothing to do with tax incidence.
>So why are you here cheerleading progressive states like a redditor?
ai believe the primary aim of thr government in the economy is to promote efficiency. I was just pointing out you don't understand taxes.
>Shit, I forgot what thread I was in. Nvm
Fuck Bernie, Fuck Trump, fuck all populists and American politician s.

[Anonymous No.18357449]

>>18357356

>No it's objectively something to count. Also google what a public good is. It had nothing to do with if the government actually pays for ot or not (I just assum you unde basic econ terminology)But if you are going to go by publicly provided goods It is still insanely difficult. For example free countries pay about half the amount per capita on healthcare. But That is because of efficiency gains from their insur systems So how do you factor that into savings? it's not really fair to just compare private insurance to differences in taxes since it's not just an accounting identity. Same as pension plans. You have to factor in that a large part of your imaginary numbers are for government pension plans? will a millionaire get what he puts in back no? but you can still subtract. If he puts in $100k over your life and draw $70k You xan just cost it doen to $30k divided by the years you work, except there is time value of money, inflation market returns that all need to be calculated and you didn't do that. suggesting to me you are a disengenous retard not an actual tax expert.

As I said, you've been furiously trying to dig this into a pedantic argument over the minutiae since the beginning and you accuse me of being disingenuous like I don't understand that different nations have different perks afforded to their citizens. But if we're talking about a working individual that has aspirations to make six figures that difference is now marginal and irrelevant, you deal with the big numbers not your fucking $100 ass wipe fee that gets factored into the calculation.

What is so hard to understand about #1 economy in the world, highest salaries in the West outside of mountain jew land, lowest effective tax burden, and ultimately the greatest upside and living freedom? You are so miserable that you aren't willing to acknowledge all of that and keep bleating on about your socialized healthcare.

[Anonymous No.18357454]

>>18356747
;)

[Anonymous No.18357487]

>>18354339
How many people has Bernie helped in his political career?

Now compare that to how many people Amazon helped in the last 48 hours.

Go donate and help him buy his 4th home and remove yourself from this board

[Anonymous No.18357490]

>>18357321
And don't you try to lecture me when you're so deep into a personality cult that you can't imagine someone voting for Trump in 2016 and becoming disillusioned with him.
If you want to show me numbers then do it. Economist articles are as useless as the abstracts of a scientific journal without the raw data.
I don't care about the share of foreign born in the US if the ones born here aren't even white anyway.

[Anonymous No.18357520]

Do any Bernie bro's hold Bitcoin?

If so, how do you guys reconcile holding a coin that will bring about a libertarian future with the idea of expanding government and increasing taxes on wealth?

[Anonymous No.18357521]

>>18357490

>W-wall isn't getting built!

Wrong

>m-more immigrants are coming in!

Wrong

>Ok well... you're just delusional! Personality cult!

Yeah anon you totally voted for Trump in 2016 and aren't just here from r/politics trying to FUD. I'm just happy I get to see the policies I've wanted for decades finally come to fruition, not willing to let the crabs ruin it.

[Anonymous No.18357534]

>>18354466
>>18354466
>France riots over a gas tax.
and we got nothing in return but teargas and flashballs. honestly, riots in france are very numerous but quite sterile. the most significant social advances in france came from post-war governments were socialists and communist would push social security ect.
everything since then has been liberalism crawling back.

[Anonymous No.18357546]

>>18357449
>But if we're talking about a working individual that has aspirations to make six figures that difference is now marginal and irrelevant
No on 6 figures health insurance tuition costs early on and pension plans are still incredibly relevant. And again we aren't looking at more common public goods such as infrastructure and roads. Now this is still based on tax collected from income you haven't delved into tax incidence at all. Like I said earlier the US has a much higher corporate tax rate that needs to be accounted for and we need to start looking at what amount of income tax is actually borne by employers/employees. We need an accurate ppi calculation that factors in substitution. I mean vats alone is. a clusterfuck to try and account for. Your nominal counting identity based on a single person maki a single amount with no tax credits or savings that just assumes tax burdens. No economist would take this seriously as an actual point about taxes.

[Anonymous No.18357560]

>>18356731

[Anonymous No.18357573]

>>18357521
nice strawman
>r/politics
lmao everything you believe comes straight from r/thedonald

[Anonymous No.18357584]

>>18357521
>that level of denial
Well enjoy your new America that has no immigrants coming in and a huge wall defending it. Trump really did deliver didn't he, you're totally not just grasping at straws, he really did actually stop mass immigration.

[Anonymous No.18357609]

>>18357546

>There's so much going on to factor in, you can't know nothin, accept your taxes and diminished upside and live with it goy! The government is good for you :)

Statists gonna state

[Anonymous No.18357631]

>>18357573

How is it that you're a "former Trump voter from 2016" and yet every talking point you have is 100% unadulterated pasteurized pure onions reddit?

[Anonymous No.18357635]

>>18357609
>LALALALALA IM NOT LISTENING
can you please at least show me your comparisons for tax incidence oh so enlightened one?

[Anonymous No.18357666]

>>18354466
Because we are the goodest of goys.

[Anonymous No.18357672]

>>18355173
>50k
That's a poverty wage, poorfag

[Anonymous No.18357688]

>>18357631
Because the smarter Trumpanzees figured out how badly the (((system))) is rigged against them.

[Anonymous No.18357697]

>>18357635

You're the fag who's taken a completely coherent, fairly simple argument and deliberately tried to toss a bunch of tiny wrenches into it and said it's just too impossible to actually make, and you're accusing me of being petulant? That's hilarious. No anon, I'm sure when all of your arbitrary qualifications are factored in Europeans are totally making out like bandits compared to Americans and they only have to pay tens of thousands more in taxes for that great luxury.

How about you go ahead and make the detailed breakdown and calculation that you're demanding? Because I've made my points and backed them up with hard numbers. Bear in mind the American median salary is higher than most of Europe outside of Switzerland and top 25% salaries even moreso thanks to the tech scene here.

[Anonymous No.18357701]

>>18355557
kikes play both sides. At the end, only kikes are left to talk on the debate stages. Even finklekike thinks israel should exist.

[Anonymous No.18357723]

>>18357672

>+

>>18357688

If you haven't been making money in this climate you're a fucking idiot lmao

[Anonymous No.18357747]

>>18357631
It's not my fault you can't help but screech "reddit" at anything you disagree with.
Stop going there so much and maybe it will stop living rent free in your head.

[Anonymous No.18357752]

>>18357490
:)

[Anonymous No.18357755]

>>18357345

True, I should vote for someone that shares none of my beliefs instead.

Are you clinically retarded?

[Anonymous No.18357776]

>>18357490

[Anonymous No.18357788]

NO REFUNDS!

[Anonymous No.18357797]

>>18357723
>If you haven't been making money in this climate you're a fucking idiot lmao

>Money is all that matters

Whatcha doin rabbi?

[Anonymous No.18357800]

>>18357747

I provided some data for you and refused to read it retard. You then started going down the groanworthy cliché road of accusing me of being a cultist when 90% of the media is united in singsong unison against this President who does terrible things like cutting taxes and stopping illegal immigration. Where do YOU draw the line in your delusion, anon?

[Anonymous No.18357835]

>>18357797

Wow, and here I thought it was /biz/ - Business and Finance, not /biz/ - Niggers and Welfare.

GTFO

[Anonymous No.18357840]

>>18357697
>completely coherent, fairly simple argument
It wasn't coherent. It was just taking random nomial numbers some that were not even accurate.
>tiny wrenches
no. I don't think you can have serious discussion about tax you still need to factor in incidence before doing anything. You can never generalize across different demographics let alone counties and that is assuming you wre home schooled inna woods and never used a lublic goods
>tax incidence
>i.e. who actually pays the tax
>arbitary qualification
makes sense
I mean if I just set income tax to 0 and tax the fuck out employers we will become truly enlightened tax free state? even when literally everyone is paying the same amount
>making out like bandits
it depends. That is my entire point. The differences aren't really that palpable like you want to to hyperbolize about such as tens of thousands more. Income tax calculators and Jezebel articles don't discuss how much people actually pay in taxes and account for differences in structure. There are a thousand econ papers you can look at to understand.

[Anonymous No.18357865]

>>18357490
We can keep going

[Anonymous No.18357870]

>>18357755
He is

[Anonymous No.18357902]

>>18357840

You are the worst kind of person to argue with. The literal worst.

>You can't know nuthin, it's too complicated, no that aint it sorry, are you an exper?? Lol u can't know nothin that's it, that's the end, everybody's the same lol, go read some papers and stuff haha the end

[Anonymous No.18357914]

>>18357865
by all means keep posting huffpost screenshots from your phone if it makes you feel any better.

[Anonymous No.18357968]

>>18357914
>show me numbers
>no not those numbers

Immigration is down you dunce, but go ahead and explain how biden would be better for reducing immigrants

[Anonymous No.18357974]

>>18357914

>NO NO NO THAT DATA AND THOSE FACTS DONT COUNT EITHER YOU CULTISTS

[Anonymous No.18358010]

>>18354339
>t. can't understand how money works

[Anonymous No.18358040]

>>18357835
>Who cares if everything goes to shit as long as I have my monopoly money

You feel of severed foreskins.

[Anonymous No.18358051]

>>18357800
you posted journoshit opinions peppered with data points that address nothing in my post.
>groanworthy cliché
>"g-go back to redit"

[Anonymous No.18358068]

>>18357902
>people who don't fall at the very bottom of the dunning kruger curve are the worst
I never understood that. Surely you know enough about something to understand that you know fuck all about other things right? Like I don't know shit about Covid Vaccines, I know this and don't go trouncing around like an expert based on my "common sense " deductions based on a random nyt article.
Why is it so hard to just admit "hey I don't know much about economics in general let alone something as complex as tax burdens so I know better than to try and make some general statement about taxes in different countries" It won't fucking kill you. Now I am done until you can explain how you factored in various Tax incidences across the economy including corporate tax income tax and any sales tax. Did you normalize across countries why or why not? And then state how you normalized for tax credits and any sort of tax deferred or tax free savings plans. Lastly did you include government pension plans if so how did you calculate around them? I will leave public goods out for now. But until you can answer these I will assume you are peak Dunning kruger and have no idea how much literally anyone alive ACTUALLY pays in taxes including yourself.

[Anonymous No.18358069]

>>18358040

Things go to shit when merit isn't adequately rewarded, not the other way around. Look at this board hobo going from thread to thread rattling his can full of change lmao

[Anonymous No.18358131]

>>18358068

Oh there it is, he named dropped "Dunning Kruger", the coup d'grace is complete. You're right anon, I'm not an expert, I can't know nuthin, you're a good little goy for refusing to pick things apart on your own or think critically and reason about your own life, career, income, and the way that interacts with government tax structures, leave that up to the experts, put your head down like a cow brained faggot, and keep wage slaving. Stop talking to me if all you're going to do is keep parroting that like it's in any way useful or insightful, if I wanted to get told by a redditor that I'm not allowed to criticize government taxation since I don't have a doctorate in Criticizing Government Taxation I'd go to reddit. That's where you should go.

[Anonymous No.18358151]

>>18358051
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

That may be a bit of a heavy lift for you given your reading level, but the numbers all say the same thing

[Anonymous No.18358282]

>>18358131
>refusing to pick things apart on your own or think critically and reason about your own life, career, income, and the way that interacts with government tax structures,
the irony is palpable when I am quite literally suggesting you do this. My point was that you were not actually thinking critically about it. It's incredibly difficult thing to do, but I can at least understand econ papers and check the methodology of their working papers. I can at least do basic optimization around tax incidence, napkin math public goods and normalize tax credits etc around a random person arbitrarily. It would not be enough to make a comprehensive point about taxes in different countries but it would be critically thinking about career income and the way that interacts with government structures.
>maybe you should understand things before spewing bullshit
is not to say you should just leave it up to experts. Obviously actually read their papers vet them, test their math understand what simplifications their models make and decide if they are reasonable. There is a difference between having 0 knowledge on something and refusing to admit it is not the same as saying you can't be critical. I disagree pretty much every government has large issues with their tax structure. The US is probably the most inefficient. I want more people to study econ and fix it. Here as well.

[Anonymous No.18358369]

>>18358282

No you're not. You've been ignoring MY numbers and MY evidence and sitting there and lazily suggesting that categorically inefficient government bureaucracies actually spend your money more efficiently than you, the individual in charge of your own life, can, and that this results in a net positive over the course of your taxpaying career. That is quite the assertion, faggot, in the face of differences in terms of tens of thousands of dollars in effective taxes, that I leave up to YOU to prove. I'm not going to scramble around the internet putting a thesis together so that Jimmy Fucknuts from r/economics can get the idea that high taxes on higher earners only hurts their own upside and long term earning/living potential.

The government has never been, and never will be, a more efficient distributor of my resources for ME, the person with a ground level, direct understanding of my needs and financial situation. It's absurd that you're dogmatically assuming that and trying to handwave my own argument away on that basis. And you're also doing a ton of this:

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Authority

It's just lazy and annoying. I don't even know why you're wasting your time with this.

[Anonymous No.18358437]

>>18357865
sauce pls

[Anonymous No.18358503]

>>18358437
https://www.huffpost.com/highline/article/invisible-wall/

[Anonymous No.18358516]

>you have been ignoring my numbers
I explained why they were innacurate
>government beuro
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/public-good.asp

Regardless I even pretended such things didn't exist and money for health care or government pension plans were actually lit on fire so we shouldn't control for them. You never addressed me about tax incidence.
>appeal to authority
I never once referenced any authority. I acknowledge i referenced basic economic concepts but you said you were an expert so I may have been obtuse in pretending you understood them as a dick instead of explaining them. But that isn't appeal to authority. Appeal to authority is saying X says its true so it is.
No my point was that you don't understand tax burdens and I brought up factors you need to factor in. How much is collected from your paycheque is almost completely irrelevant. What matters is how much you actually pay. Even if you want to pretend there is literally zero in return how much you pay is not what is collected from your paycheck.

[Anonymous No.18358673]

>>18354339
>he thinks politics matters
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfx7PnMtCeY

[Anonymous No.18358698]

>>18358151
See this is what I'm talking about, the numbers actually don't all say the same thing. If you're some journo with a vendetta against bad orange man, you can pick and choose stats to make him look like a monster to your people and based to his voters. Look at the naturalization numbers for example. Processing time is longer, and there are more denied applications since he was elected. That all sounds good right? Except total naturalizations have actually increased. You need to look a little harder at this stuff to not be fooled.

[Anonymous No.18358804]

>>18358698

They actually do, this data is mostly limited to 2018. The major decreases all came around 2018-now because he spent the first 2 years locked in legal battles around the country regarding all of his early immigration enforcement moves. Those all quieted down and he was able to impose limits on chain migration and asylum that drastically chopped the number of inflows down for the past couple of years. The prior articles allude to these statistics.

Schrodinger's Trump:
>simultaneously doing way too much to hurt immigration if you're talking to a liberal, but also nothing at all if you're trying to FUD a conservative

[Anonymous No.18358970]

>>18358698
Net naturalizations are up slightly for ‘18 petitions are down and denials are up for ‘18. Given the multi month lag, as well as the time it took to clear out some of those appointments and make the administrative changes mentioned upthread, I would wager that naturalization increase is the last gasp of the obama admin.

Of course, those numbers should be negative, but neither candidate will do that.

[Anonymous No.18358977]

Lets ace the facts: the whole world economy has been shut down for weeks, why? Because a new flu virus out of china emerged? It happened every year. Maybe this one was more deadly to old people or people with a bad immune system. Ok. Vut why would they shut down everything for this nothing burger. And simultaneously. Government after government country to country... think

[Anonymous No.18359018]

>>18354339
>Literally the front-runner
>Back channel pushed out of contention by your own party

I mean, why the fuck even run as a democrat?

[Anonymous No.18359064]

>>18359018
>bernie has less than 30% of the vote
HUUUR ITS A CROWDED FIELD HE WOULD BE AT 51% IN A ONE ON ONE
HUURR DEMS ARE STAYING IN TO RIG IT AGAINST BERNIE IN A BROKERED CONVENTION
>everyone drops out
HURRR they rigged it by dropping out!
No what happened was more people voted for Biden than Bernie cause they prefer him.

[Anonymous No.18359088]

>>18355220
Kek, Im more interested to see what happens when the media cant cover for Biden anymore and they throw his stumbling, bumbling ass on a debate stage with Trump.

[Anonymous No.18359100]

>>18359088

It's painfully obvious how few Dem primary voters actually watched the debates

[Anonymous No.18359126]

>>18359088
The problem with this is Biden was actually more coherent at the last debate than trump was in the last year lol.
You guys elected 2 guys that belong in dimentia wards than pretend it is only the other guy who doesn't even know what room he is in. At least Biden can still read a script.

[Anonymous No.18359176]

>>18354339
lol dilate, you faggot

[Anonymous No.18359177]

>>18359126
Anon, you are delusional. Biden hasnt been anything close to coherent in the last 2 years at least. Trump seems as sharp as ever. Im not talking gaffes, everybody gaffes. Biden legit looks like he doesnt know where hes at half the time.

[Anonymous No.18359196]

[Anonymous No.18359198]

For real now though, are the powers that be really trying to make Trump get elected all along? Because if that was the case, this would be a seamless plan, especially by making him run against Hillary in 2016 and a demented old child molester in 2020.

[Anonymous No.18359206]

>>18359126

[Anonymous No.18359211]

>>18355337
>he's something new
He's cancer. He wants to turn the country into commie mexico. You leftist whites are the dumbest, most pathetic "people" on the planet.

[Anonymous No.18359224]

>>18355617
If you're white, you really should kys.

[Anonymous No.18359261]

>>18354339
>Fucking revolution when?
I bet he exit scams with another book deal. You'll never make it, faggot

[Anonymous No.18359283]

>>18354339
All berniebros should dump their stimulus checks into LINK instead of paying rent, then demand they system write you another one

[Anonymous No.18359291]

>>18359198
What do you mean powers? Who wouldn't want trump to stay in office? 4 more years of green

[Anonymous No.18359333]

>>18358970
Trump's doing good work. The real difference between the parties is the opinions of the average voters. Dems love diversity and open borders, and for republicans, there's no greater priority than closing up shop. The only hope lies with republicans.

[Anonymous No.18359363]

>>18357747
>screech
There's no way you're not from reddit.

[Anonymous No.18359418]

>>18359176
take your meds schizo

[Anonymous No.18359625]

>>18358804
>simultaneously doing way too much to hurt immigration if you're talking to a liberal, but also nothing at all if you're trying to FUD a conservative
It's not really paradoxical since the modern liberal wants all white countries open for all nonwhites while anyone with common sense can see that demographic shift needs to do a complete 180 if we want to avoid total collapse of everything we care about.
I would expect Trump to get harder on immigration leading up to his election since that's what got him elected in the first place, but even with that expectation, it's been a disappointment. I don't see anything in the recent numbers (which are mostly estimated/unofficial anyway) that can be described as drastic.
If the idea that our two-party system is fake and gay fills you with fear, uncertainty, and doubt then I don't know what to tell you. Welcome to the real world I guess.

[Anonymous No.18359692]

>>18359625

I've followed this situation closely from the moment he took office. He's always been aggressive about getting things done, the thing is that he has a united front of opposition that isn't easy for an outsider such as himself to overcome. His travel bans, asylum curbs, chain migration curbs, and attempts to get wall funding were all met with a tough slog of court as well as Congressional opposition. In the end he had to come up with clever workarounds such as DoD funding for the wall and constitutionally sound stipulations that asylum seekers had to apply from outside their nation of origin (this has resulted in a massive drop in inflows and buttressed the main issue in catch and release). It's all having a big, demonstrable impact on the state of our borders.

I'm starting to think you're the kind of person who wouldn't be satisfied unless he'd authorized literal killing squads to go cross-country shooting anyone who's brown... that's not going to happen. Lol.

[Anonymous No.18359754]

>>18359692

>nation of origin

Meant they had to apply to the US from outside the US, not after they got inside and could just run away. Mexico is helping tremendously with this... as part of the USMCA agreement. Trump is great at negotiating America's position.

[Anonymous No.18360214]

>>18359692
I could accept the idea that he's just working around the forces united against him if he actually utilized all of his options but he doesn't. He suffers from the same problem that republicans have had for decades. Democrats will use every dirty trick in the book to get what they want, but Republicans refuse to win. Trump constantly moves his goalposts to save face and pretend he's winning, but he won't commit to anything drastic. Based on his previous rhetoric you would have expected him to pull an Andrew Jackson and tell the little pissant judges to enforce their own ruling. Instead, he just throws his supporters under the bus, makes impotent threats he won't follow through on, and gives Israel everything they want.

[Anonymous No.18360484]

>>18355270
i lived in sweden for 7 years. I made around 70k USD and was taxed 28%. you're retarded

[Anonymous No.18360858]

>>18354458
ye, same

[Anonymous No.18360998]

>>18357666
you take that back satan

[Anonymous No.18361303]

>>18357666

basically this lmao , also ULTRA CHECKED