/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.18202898]

it's possible that we are in a completely fraudulent system

[Anonymous No.18202904]

>possible

[Anonymous No.18202980]

>>18202898
bobo thinks that the drops of 2-3 weeks ago were a reflection of the market being rational, but now they aren't because we are crabbing.

Maybe, the drops of 2-3 weeks ago priced in fears that are now turning out to be false regarding the rona virus.

[Anonymous No.18203035]

>>18202980 sure, it's possible, I just don't know how... I guess when someone's wrong, they never know how....

[Anonymous No.18203096]

>>18202898
No joke it’s time to call bullshit on every fucking thing
I want one person on this board to explain how us treasury bond yields are going UP

[Anonymous No.18203103]

>>18202980
okay firstly the drops were pricing in the impending shutdown based off the decrease in profits.
secondly, well idk where i was going with this i just wanted to say that.

[Anonymous No.18203116]

OP, you have to be at least 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.18203124]

>>18203096
quarter end re balancing of pensions going from bonds to stocks. its hard to imagine but as bonds are sold the yield goes upward

[Anonymous No.18203178]

>>18203124
Watching this shit happen is like watching an insane crackhead bashing his head in with a hammer

[Anonymous No.18203241]

>>18203116
hello coomer
>>18203103
>>18203178
do you think the fed can sustain this insane propping up of the market?

[Anonymous No.18203290]

>>18203241
Dunno if you meant to quote me but this situation is so insane that maybe the fed has realised that the only way to fix it is to do something equally insane, By creating so much debt that it is somehow reversing the effect of a literal 1 millions per day probably going into unemployment pool. Clown world

[Anonymous No.18203291]

>>18202898
>Need insurance to pay for a $300 handful of antibiotics that cost $.05 to produce
>Is this fraudulent?
It's only 8:45 am and I just had 2 cups of coffee, but man am I fucking sleepy

[Anonymous No.18203311]

>>18203241
i think they want to keep the stock market propped up yes. Do I think they know what they are doing to the broader market, no. J P has even said that buying stocks is not out of the question, which would be unheard of.
watch the mortgage market, if that starts tumbling, we are in for a shitstorm

[Anonymous No.18203357]

>>18203311
If they start buying stocks on top of this I will run around screaming on the streets naked until I am arrested for breaking covid 19 quarantine

[Anonymous No.18203391]

>>18203290
Thats a good point, the only way out of this is calm, rational, slow deceleration of their purchasing of securities and derivatives. They are doing that currently, but if the market starts to tank again they will start ramping up activities again.
This begs the question, why is the only way out to let the market fall? well its because a market NEEDS to be efficient, meaning, securities that arent worth anything are priced low. right now lots of securities are worth intrinsically less because of the shutdown but the fed is artificially propping up the price, preventing the market from being efficient, and all these big boys depend on the market being efficient for their hedging, underwriting, and security. so basically the fed is breaking the system and its going to crack unless they let the market fall.

[Anonymous No.18203412]

>>18203311
afaik they are already buying up equities. believe they were trying to pass some legislation that made it legal for them to hide the minutes of their meetings from the public.

[Anonymous No.18203414]

>>18202898
It's going to be the biggest transfer of wealth in history alright. The problem is YOU are going to be on the losing end of it.

[Anonymous No.18203438]

>>18203414
Hey Greg

[Anonymous No.18203472]

>>18203414
We've never not been on the losing end of it. Every time you interact with anything via the dollar you're on the losing end of it

[Anonymous No.18204348]

>>18203412
i mean class a/b commonstock not just MBS, ETFs, ETCs

[Anonymous No.18204367]

>>18204348
Buying ETF's is indirectly buying all the underlyings, because the aggregator will buy them.

[Anonymous No.18204439]

>>18203116
you have to be at least 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.18204470]

>>18204367
you're right. But the fed hasn't bought directly any of the underlings yet. Once they do, im buying gold because shits getting out of hand. ETFs dont give the party partial ownership of a company.

[Anonymous No.18204501]

>>18202898

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why do you think everybody on this board is buying bitcoin

[Anonymous No.18204565]

>>18204470
look at the price of Boeing and tell me thats not the fed buying up a big market cap company to reinflate the bubble. a lot of the big gold bugs (they are biased) are already saying that the market price of gold has completely decoupled with the price of physical gold. and without a shadow of a doubt you know paper gold isn't being backed up by physical gold 1:1.

[Anonymous No.18204619]

>>18204501
i know. i just wanted to quote my favourite movie. https://youtu.be/F9LbScGJUdQ?t=240

[Anonymous No.18204652]

>>18204565
Boeing has been bid on the presumption that it will be bailed out (it will, but not necessarily under favourable terms for existing shareholders). Paper gold has never been backed 1:1.

[Anonymous No.18204664]

>>18204565
i agree, paper gold isnt being backed up by physical. there was a comex broker that went insolvent due to a margin call.
Boeing is a bad example as they just had good news last week, they got approval to continue production of their 747max so they didnt completely shut down operations, plus they get a bailout and their CEO is playing nice. dont get me wrong, boeing is overpriced still but they have a minuscule amount of rationality for their rally.
The fed just announced opening up repo for treasuries to FIMA, now the risk is spreading to international markets.

[Anonymous No.18204704]

>>18204652
the entire paper market is based on paper and physical being coupled. once that trust is broken, the true demand for physical starts to show and prices on physical rises (in theory). i am not well versed in commodities, so please correct me if my thinking is wrong.

[Anonymous No.18204724]

>>18204652
I know paper gold has never been backed 1:1. refer to >>18202898.

[Anonymous No.18204733]

>>18204619

+tips 10,000 satoshi

[Anonymous No.18204793]

>>18204704
Add to that an infinite amount of money be printed out of thin air. Should be interesting.

[Anonymous No.18204820]

>>18204733
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:)))

[Anonymous No.18204889]

>>18204820

sent :))))

[Anonymous No.18204974]

>>18204889
>>18204820
damn, actual respect

[Anonymous No.18204976]

>>18204733
ty future 1%er

>>18204652
i understand the forward looking argument, not sure im buying it though. flights are going to be grounded waaay too long.

[Anonymous No.18205028]

>>18204976

we in this together fren :) thanks for funny poast fren :)

[Anonymous No.18205124]

>>18203096
It happens a lot when stocks go up. Rotation to risk assets. You didn't think the 30 year would stay below 1% did you? Imagine what the Fed is going to do over these next 30 years... Rather it's to the $ or the interest rate, ur screwed either way.

[Anonymous No.18205138]

>>18202980
How do you "price in" a complete shutdown of the global economy for 6 months?
Oh wait that's right you get your ass bailed out by the Fed printing money while the whole country becomes unemployed and every business in the world sells itself into debt slavery to stay alive.
Aka a fraudulent system.

[Anonymous No.18205189]

I would love to blast metal in my office too. While attending supervisors.

[Anonymous No.18205217]

markets reward patience

[Anonymous No.18205240]

>>18202904
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18205271]

>>18203096
priced in
brrrrrrr

[Anonymous No.18205582]

>>18203096
Jewmers (Jewish Boomers)

[Anonymous No.18205601]

>>18203414
Noooo Mike Maloney-Chan said I as going to be rich from moon rocks nooooooooo

[Anonymous No.18206908]

In the bottomless pit of shit threads this one came to give me some hope. Based and galaxy-brained anons itt.

[Anonymous No.18206918]

>>18204976
Agreed once again. I’m not even looking at Boeing until the details of the bailout are finalized. Buy the rumour, sell the news and all that.

[Anonymous No.18207107]

>>18203035
legend, saw the movie a few days ago. Great movie btw

[Anonymous No.18207139]

>>18206908
some retard is just spamming the catalog with that whore drama

[Anonymous No.18207145]

>>18202898
Not just possible, but highly probable

[Anonymous No.18207182]

>>18207139
That's been for the past couple days. I have been around longer than that and believe me the past year has been an absolute bottom.

[Anonymous No.18207337]

ITS
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[Anonymous No.18207359]

>your face when we're in for another massive fucking drop in stocks

[Anonymous No.18207363]

>>18202980
Cope harder, faggot.

[Anonymous No.18207578]

>>18207359

[Anonymous No.18207633]

>>18203096
BECAUSE THEY ARE SELLING RATINGS FOR FEES

[Anonymous No.18208013]

>>18203414
If you've no money you'll lose, otherwise you can acquire assets and collect interest on stupidity .

[Anonymous No.18208034]

>>18202898
Yes

[Anonymous No.18208212]

The entire post-WW2 baby boomer middle class prosperity was just an historical anomaly, a short lived meme, now we are going back to aristocrats and serfs like 99% of human civilization

[Anonymous No.18208339]

>>18203291
If you wanna make a real argument for stock market manipulation go ahead but don’t use this fucking retarded analogy to shoot yourself in the foot. There’s nothing worse than people who bitch and moan about prescription drug prices and have no clue as to what the costs are for R&D, marketing, gov’t approval, failed drugs, regulations, etc. Go make your own fucking drugs if it’s so cheap and easy.