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18200325 No.18200325 [Reply] [Original]

The MSM cannot shine a light on this without upsetting the bluffing game around the Fed's foundation and public perception..

>> No.18200363

I RAN THIS BY MY CONTACT WHO'S PRETTY SMART AND STUFF...

>> No.18200364

>>18200325
explain this except to an idiot

>> No.18200483

President Trump is using the Corona Virus Pandemic from China to convert green Federal Reserve Notes into Red Treasury Notes in October 2020. Donald J. Trump will pay off the National Debt by the end of his second term using Treasury Notes which are not based on debt.

Bill Still explains: https://youtu.be/_ZLVxsZTYLc

>> No.18201219

Then the fed bails out blackrock in 10 years... am I missing something?

>> No.18201351

>>18200325
Right everyone is stuck on some retarded fud about an amateur porn whore and some overblown flu, meanwhile this shit is going on

>> No.18201515

So when they print the shekels it goes into the tax payers balance sheet liability the Fed owns the collateral?

>> No.18201564

>>18200325
>finance jews get more free money
ftfy

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>>18201351
We talked about this the moment it was announced. Get off your giraffe.

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>he doubted trump
KEK

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>>18200364
See pic related.

>> No.18201849

>>18201841
So you don't know shit basically.

>> No.18202064

>>18201849
How does one articulate greatness to a mere plebeian like you? It's not in your language, you couldn't understand.

>> No.18203219

>>18201678
If by "talked about this" you mean there was like 2 threads that got slid by all the bullshit scam and fud threads then yeah, I suppose. It just seems to me that this should be all we're talking about but I check the catalog and there's like 10 Jessica Khater threads

>> No.18203243

>>18203219
It seems clear that the implications of a happening like this will be absolutely huge, but for the better or worse I'm not sure. How long has Trump been working on something like this and why is it being rolled out now amid a bunch of bailouts?

>> No.18203944

>>18200364
I think I'm getting a general overview of how this works.
>Fed creates new money
>Treasury uses new money to buy assets from private market
>new money enters circulation, creating short term economic stimulus
>period of time passes
>Fed may choose to sell assets back to private market to take money out circulation if inflation is too high

Before the 2008 recession they only did these operations with Treasury bonds. In 2008 they started doing these operations with mortgage backed securities in order to bail out the banks that had made too many risky loans to uncreditworthy home buyers. The Fed is still holding the same amount of mortgage backed securities from 2008. They probably can't sell them for face value if they tried. This new program allows them to buy a whole new range of assets which includes mortgage backed securities, as well as corporate bonds, municipal bonds, and other assets for the first time. The Fed now has a greater ability to pick and choose winners. They can prop up companies or municipalities by buying bonds from them that they don't intend to see a return on. They are also buying a bunch of Treasury bonds on top of this. They can no longer lower rates to stimulate the economy so they have resorted to inflation. Keep your eye on the Fed's balance sheet.

>> No.18203988

>>18203243
Trump doesn't work on anything besides keeping drool off his tie. He's so incompotent that *anything* occuring even remotely near him is orchestrated by people around and behind him. The "most powerful man in the free world" requires constant babysitting.

>> No.18204390

>>18200325
>First result for "Curt Doolittle" is an interview with Chris Cantwell
lmao.
MIGA baby!
EYES WIDE OPEN

>> No.18204957

>>18203219
>>18203243
>but for the better or worse I'm not sure.

And now you should be able to put together how this Federal Reserve usurp is far less popular than a girl sucking cock on camera ended up in a position to manage $300 million in assets. The latter is considerably easier to digest while we're stuck with an alphabet soup of an article to try to interpret that Trump is busy loading the shit out of the Treasury department with assets from the stock market. This is definitely a planned move that has been in the works for years. Qanon hinted at this.

And you should start flipping between /biz/ and /pol/. There's a considerable amount of overlap between them in terms of topics (which helps fill the lapse of discussion) and high quality discussion.

>> No.18204999

Q boomers are fucking idiots

>> No.18205047

>>18202064
There's nothing great about Trumpito, least of all some cringy slashart that negates the whole point of this republic existing.

>> No.18205048
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>>18204999
Qanon said the Federal Reserve would get restructured to be under control of the Department of Treasury. If that's not a big enough hint they're legit, there's pic related as there's an expected continental internet blackout for a few days at the very least.

>> No.18205076

>>18203988
>this consumed by TDS
ngmi

>> No.18205137

So how do we benefit from this? I'm pretty poor, are there any moves I can make to vastly improve my situation?

>> No.18205298

>>18204957
>>18203944
So basically the way I understand it is that Wall Street now directly controls the US treasury, because the Fed (which is controlled by wall street execs) now has unlimited authority to order the treasury to buy up any and all junk bonds while BlackRock (which is controlled by these same people) takes kickbacks? How are /ptg/fags spinning this as a positive? This is the final victory of the wall street jews over the United States. Trump just handed them direct control over literally all of the government's finances.

>> No.18205310

>>18205137
find scab work

>> No.18205409

>>18205047
fag

>> No.18205423

Bear priced in

>> No.18205447
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>>18200325
kek no, the opposite, he basically pardoned the Jews and gifted the us treasure, now the fed can print as much money they like, they can buy the US treasure and even if trump backed it with gold it would still lose value due to zero interest, they literally can now crash the dollar to change it to bancor

>> No.18205871

>>18205298
From what I've read the Fed and Treasury both have to approve of the assets purchased. I like Trump and want to believe he has good intentions but even if he uses it responsibly it opens up the opportunity for others to abuse it. He is probably desperate since an economic downturn is the biggest risk to him being re-elected. Even if they have malicious intent they can't abuse this too much. They don't want to cause hyper inflation and destroy the system they've built. We may enter a period of stagnation similar to Japan's lost decade after they could no longer lower interest rates, which could present an opportunity to the middle class.

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>>18200325
I'm not sure I understand, but does this mean the stock market is now being supported directly by infinite funds ?
like it literally cannot drop outside of 1-2% before these guys will be putting buy walls and start market buying ?

>> No.18206048

I don't think anyone knows what it means until something happens. My hope is Trump uses all the monopoly money to get us in a good spot with infrastructure and debt then just nukes everything for something more solid

>> No.18206105

>>18200364
united states sovereign wealth fund

>> No.18206153

>>18205871
>We may enter a period of stagnation similar to Japan's lost decade
We've already been in this situation for the last 12 years. What Trump just did is make the situation permanent. Until we have an armed revolution, the government will bail out anyone who is about to go under? All those companies who made fake profits with stock buybacks and other memery as their productions fell and their employees got laid off? That's now going to be permanently rewarded since Uncle Sam will always be there to do infinite bailouts of corporate bonds. All those banks and investment firms that keep doing retarded shit on leverage? Perfectly safe because the Treasury will be there to pick up their bags when the bubble pops. And by "the Treasury," I mean "the American taxpayer." The transfer of wealth away from the American people into the hands of Wall Street and boomer's 401ks is now complete. What you're witnessing is the culmination of the biggest con in world history.

>> No.18206226

>>18200325
Source

On the underlying legislation

>> No.18206243

>falling for the muh drumfp media misinformation
>https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/central-banks/is-the-fed-public-or-private/
>https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/economics/is-trump-nationalizing-the-fed/

>> No.18206300

>>18200325
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfx7PnMtCeY

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>>18203988
"He's just incompetent but extremely lucky"

>> No.18206468

>>18206153
Japan's land and stock prices crashed before the stagnation and didn't recover. Stocks are still higher than the 2008 peak and land is still expensive. I just want to buy cheap land and I don't think these operations are meant (or able) to keep asset prices high, just to keep companies afloat.

>> No.18206470

>>18206243
Trump is doing worse than nationalizing the fed. Nationalizing the fed implies that the fed is coming under government control, when in fact the opposite is happening: he's giving the fed control over the treasury and thus giving private organizations semi-unlimited authority to BRRR money to further their own interests.
>b-but the Fed is already nationalized, the fact that its governed by anonymous banking executives of whom the chairman is but one is irrelevant, they're all powerless!
That's cute, but no.

>> No.18206526

if you aren't buying physical silver right now
you are an idiot

>> No.18206546

https://www.bitchute.com/video/lSaKoijh6YDd/

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>>18206526
Started in August but am a poorfag. Am I going to make it

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>>18200364
>You might think Trump has completely fucked up, but in actuality he's got you right where he wants you, libtards!!!

>> No.18206657

>>18206564
looks good.
might want to get some gram bars in case shtf

>> No.18206664

>>18206470
fake news

>> No.18206669

>>18200325
based propertarian poster

>> No.18206684

>>18206468
Stocks are high but the stock market has been completely divorced from reality ever since 2008, or did you miss the fact that essentially all the market growth since then has been solely a positive feedback loop of stock buybacks that in no way reflects the economic situation on the ground? Literally the entire economy since the housing crash has been a bubble sustained by 0% interest rates and QE from the Fed. What Corona has done is pop the bubble -- if production/consumption is interrupted it doesnt matter how high you've artificially inflated your stock price with leveraged stock buybacks because your actual finances still suck and you're still going bankrupt. These policies are Trump trying to un-pop the bubble by letting the Treasury buy all the corporate bonds that are about to make everyone default. All this does is keep the zombie shuffling forward. The supermajority of Americans will still be living paycheck to paycheck. The percentage of Americans who are underemployed or get their income solely from gig work or minimum wageslavery will continue to increase. The wealth gap will continue to grow, the percentage of Americans owning land will continue to shrink, wages will continue to stagnate as cost of living continues to mushroom. All indicators of a zombified economy that is being forced to continue living with these policies.

>> No.18206708

>>18206664
Delusional.

>> No.18206746

>>18206226
haven't seen anything resembling that yet.

>> No.18206771

>>18206571
look at that retarded white trash fuk.. what a deplorable piece of shit.

>> No.18207080

>>18206564
topkek I always forget how large those meme bats really are

>> No.18207245

>>18207080
Couldn't help myself, memetics too strong

>> No.18207272

>>18206684
Yea I'm just saying that the bubble hasn't popped yet. We are in a similar situation to Japan when they could no longer lower interest rates which caused their bubble to pop in 1992. The period after that was called the lost decade. I'm not saying that the period beforehand is any better.

>> No.18207357

>>18207272
I'd say the bubble popped like 3 weeks ago. It's not like people have suddenly stopped being laid off or businesses have suddenly stopped defaulting. The stock market is rising solely because the Fed is promising infinite money brrring to keep wall street alive. If anything, the zombification of the economy is going to get way way worse from here on out? 30% unemployment? Who cares lol because the DOW just recovered its ATH. That's what's going to happen in the next few weeks. Clown world.

>> No.18208127

So how do we make money from this

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>>18200325
I haven’t seen anyone outside 4chan and crazies talking about this at all. Not how it’s good, or bad, or even exists. I’ve been given some links that didn’t have anything to do with it. Where are official sources?!

>> No.18209143

>>18207357
The hyper-inflation route is the only game they have left now. And the only way to keep up with the hyper-inflation is to be invested in the ponzi.

>> No.18209171

>>18208845
normies have their attention diverted on 'muh death count' right now

>> No.18209284 [DELETED] 

>>18200325
Imagine thinking the FED isn't a private fucking bank already. sage.

>> No.18209286

>>18209171
Sure, but what government publications? What economic journals? If something this big is just slipping through, it’s...unbelievable? embarrassing? an argument against the rationality of modernism?

>> No.18209463

>>18209143
The USD won't hyperinflate so long as it is the world's reserve currency and the bartering chip for oil. This delays the complete meltdown of American society (perpetuating it in a zombified state) until after these things stop being true, at which point the US is over.

>> No.18209844

Can we just ban Qtard threads on sight? How this insane LARPing is still up is beyond me.

>> No.18209954

>>18209286
Are you just now realizing that the same kikes who control all financial institutions also control all government and media institutions?
ngmi

>> No.18210753

>>18209954
Yes, I’ve been on /pol/. But a total blackout? Lalala, nothing to report, just going to privatize the Treasury/nationalize the FED, keep coofing. And every mid level bureaucrat is on board? Scared of getting vanned?

>> No.18210801

>>18209844
This. These people are fucking retarded and blatantly wrong yet still undeterred.

>> No.18210944

>>18210801
It’s that Russian hacker known as 4chan again.

>> No.18210962

>>18200483
So are you telling me Donald trump is a genius?

>> No.18211010

>>18210962
He’s cunning. I wouldn’t say genius.

>> No.18211026

>>18206470
The Treasury is nationally-owned. You've got it backwards.

>> No.18211163

>>18207272
Stocks declined 30% in 23 days? Bubble not popping?

>> No.18211168

>>18210962
If he planned from the beginning to use an emergency to nationalize the fed and create a new socialist system, and is now half way to success...then yes, yes he is.

>> No.18211176

The ECB bought corporates all through the Great Recession. It didn't even really have the intended effect of getting lending going again, and the Euro had low inflation.

Central banks aren't magic. You fucking spergs will read a thousand pages of conspiracy blogs and take news stories you don't understand and go "big number big! Scary!" Without know what the fuck you're talking about. Go take 9-12 credits of macro for a background.

The more immediate threat is that the Fed offering so much cash for so many securities led to tons of mortgage margin calls the last two days, but that will be fixed.

The longer term issue will be if a giant demand for safety, mixed with a $2+ trillion deficit and the resultant t note flood, is going going to suck all the cash out of the corporate market. We got $1.2 trillion in speculative grade coming due by 12/31/20 and another $3T that's 52% BBB. Deficit spending might pump too many t notes in and no one is going to want to roll paper for shit like ATT and their $88b debt pile.

Either way, cov-lite trash and CLOs are going to collapse at some point in the next year and take some companies with them.

>> No.18211204

>>18207357
Nah that was a dead cat bounce (burn shorts, get people going long again) the reversal has started.

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>>18206571
pic related

>> No.18212913

>>18205048
oh my god that Q faggot is just a team of spooks to inject military grade HOPIUM into the goyim's minds to placate them so they individually continue to sit on their fat asses and do nothing about the kiked government.
Q IS RUN BY SPOOKS

>> No.18212992 [DELETED] 

>>18212913
Seconded

>> No.18213001

>>18200483
Excellent video by Bill. Thanks for linking that.

>> No.18213019

>>18205955
Is there any way to see how much money is being pumped into the market day by day?

>> No.18213087

>>18200325
Will OP ever stop being a faggot? Give a link to your picture.

>> No.18213125

>>18209844
Please shut the fuck up while adults are talking.

>> No.18213423

Can somebody point me towards some resources to better understand how the Fed creates money? I understand that they loan at interest to the American government, but where do they get it from? Do they literally just print it and tack on interest? Why is there any interest?

>> No.18213602

can we have a source for this? newspaper article?

>> No.18213695

I'd like to see Ron Paul's take on this.

>> No.18213765

>>18200483
What's the different between a United States Note vs. a Federal Reserve note? If USN is used to repay debt from issuing FRN, and the 1:1 replacement of FRN by USN note, how does this help lower the national debt or alleviate interest? What is the difference between the two? Is it that the Treasury just issues X amount of USNs without interest on them? Are USNs backed by anything other than good faith?

>> No.18213885

>>18213765
Seemingly, the FRN are created with interest, while the USN are created without interest. So you can create USN, and trade them for FRN, then burn the FRN, and you just replaced that interest-bearing FRN with interest-less USN.
>Are USNs backed by anything other than good faith?
Backed by the authority of the issuer, the US government.

>> No.18213890

>>18210753
Its like when the fed was passed. Most of Congress wasn't even there.

>> No.18213917

>>18211026
Pretense. It may be under the name of nationalizing the fed, but in actual effect the fed is privatizing the treasury.

>> No.18213938

>>18213885
So the USNs will be printed at whim by the Treasury, but this will be kept in check since it's under the umbrella of the government and can be impacted via elections while the Fed is outside of any repercussions since they aren't a government agency?

How is a FRN created with interest, anyway? Do they print $1 and tack on 0.02 so the government is getting $1 for the price of $1.02 or something?

>> No.18214131

>>18213423
Basically yes, the money is debt created digitally at the press of a button more or less

>> No.18214142

>>18213938
>but this will be kept in check since it's under the umbrella of the government and can be impacted via elections
Pretty much yeah, that's the idea. Right now a private cabal of bankers controls the money supply.
>How is a FRN created with interest, anyway?
I'm pretty sure the FRN enter circulation in the form of interest bearing financial instruments that are sold by the fed to governments and corporations. At least according to the the video in >>18200483 , starting at 1:23. So basically they are created in the form of loans. So in other words, the government obtains money from the fed, but it has to pay back interest. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

>> No.18214250

>>18213938
Interesting video I found and am watching now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7sBehblZk8

>> No.18214310

>>18214250
Thanks for the vid, going to watch

So I'm correct in my thinking of "what kind of retard would borrow the money when they can just print it themselves?" but that was explained in Bill's video by the bankers buying politicans to just not bring it up, bribing them

Does the Fed create the financial instruments? Or do they buy bonds issued from the treasury using FRNs and then the treasury pays off those bonds with FRNs, but in order to do so they need to borrow a second round of FRNs to pay the first, and this perpetuates?

>> No.18214384

>>18214310
I guess so, presumably they just cut anyone who has the political power to oppose the system in on the deal, or bribe their minions to overthrow them.
The Fed doesn't seem to create the instruments, they just buy bonds and other debt instruments with the FRN money they create, and thereby obtain the interest streams on those instruments.

>> No.18214411

>>18214384
And those interest streams are paid using FRNs, which is more interest, and this is done in perpetuation

I feel like I was staring at a drawn window and somebody just opened the curtain

>> No.18214437

America’s first dictator. Trump dynasty had begun. Well all be on military lockdown by November because of this meme virus and the orange man wont leave office.

>> No.18214465

>>18214437
What are you talking about? How is he a dictator for returning the issuance of money to the Treasury?

>> No.18214483

>>18214465
It’s another power grab

>> No.18214551

>>18214411
Checked.
It is very interesting.

>> No.18214705

>>18203988
You have to go back

>> No.18214737

>>18200325
Usually repo's are overnight, and the rate is never negative, but zero a lot of the times. Seems like a mechanism to prevent big capital concentrators from going bust because they're unable to hold the underlying assets for the ETF's they produce (which need A LOT of liquidity). These guys talking as if repo's are somehow going to allow a secret gamble are stupid, that surely won't be the reason. The repurchase is agreed upon in advance, both the date and the associated rate of repurchase, it's not done on the whim of one party

>> No.18214899

what does this do for xrp tho

>> No.18214917

>>18203944
In 2013 I presented in front of the Fed why buying muni bonds would have been more effective than mortgage backed securities. Glad they’re actually doing it now.

>> No.18215094

>>18214483
The government exercising its Constitutional power by issuing money is a power grab?

>> No.18215330

>>18215094
Trump, not the government proper.

>> No.18215429

>>18215330
>Trump, not the government proper.
Trump is your government, not the deep state.

>> No.18215432

>>18215330
Anybody who is president*

>> No.18215563

>>18213602
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/feds-cure-risks-being-worse-110052807.html

No one is talking about it anon.

How are people concluding the Federal Reserve owns the Treasury Department and not that it has been nationalized?

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>>18212913

>> No.18215793

>>18215563
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackRock

Don't trust ((((((BlackRock)))))) with the purse strings of the US government...

>> No.18216482

>>18214465
>How is he a dictator for returning the issuance of money to the Treasury?
You act like the treasury is in charge of this arrangement, as opposed to what's actually happening -- the Fed buys stupid bullshit with Treasury-printed dollars using a private investment firm as a facilitator. The Fed isn't being nationalized. The Treasury is being privatized.

>> No.18216496

>>18210962
4D
RENT FREE
TWO SCOOPS
TWO TERMS

>> No.18216535

>>18200483
Fuck yeah my nigga bill still dabbin on hoes

>> No.18217091

>>18204957
>high quality discussion.
/pol/ is a zoomer containment board since all schools have been cancelled. it's quite infuriating.

>> No.18217108

>>18217091
It's not really containing them because /pol/ itself is spilling over into /biz/ recently.

>> No.18217117

>>18205298
>now has unlimited authority to order the treasury
it's the exact opposite