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>> No.18192609

First for fuck the fed.

>> No.18192611
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We'll be back to business as usual in no time

>> No.18192646

So when all the real estate speculators lose 2 months of rent, will we see a housing crash a la 2008 as a second leg down after this bulltrap?

>> No.18192647
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Guys, the day I became a bear, the day the swing upwards started.

I'm afraid to swing back to bull tomorrow and the market heads down.

Wat do?

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>> No.18192667

This market is a fucking fraud

>> No.18192668

Please become a bull again, I need the Dow to crash.

>> No.18192681


>> No.18192693

No because the Fed will buy all the houses.

>> No.18192701

blabla you keep saying shit like this while it goes up
why dont you buy calls already
its not like the market gives a shit about you in particular. keep crying about it while it pumps even more and your puts keep on bleeding
niggers are black

>> No.18192720

I was gonna say that's unconstitutional, but it's not like anyone gives a shit anyways.

>> No.18192736

ill wait until the bubble pops. its gonna be 1929 all over again. jerome can suck one. his digital bits dont feed a single soul.

>> No.18192751

why did MTNB get KO'd?

>> No.18192753

Someone talk me out of buying TVIX

>> No.18192774


>> No.18192792

It’s just going to shake out some weak hands or new money. Old fags with 30+ doors have weathered storms like this.

>> No.18192794

If we start getting mass strikes among service wagies, does the market go up?

>> No.18192795

It decays like crazy. Just buy long dated SPY puts or SH.

>> No.18192798

Okay, how about I buy etherium and flip the script?

>> No.18192799

as a resident of los angeles, I don't want to say it but...

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>> No.18192808

It's not stocks going up, it's the dollar going down.

>> No.18192809

The 2020 election is irrelevant. The Fed IS the entire country.

>> No.18192814

They're preparing for spring time hurricane season.

>> No.18192836

Any bigbrained people have an opinion on CRI and PLCE? They're both involved with baby / children's clothes, was thinking they could go up big if all this panic and being locked in the house results in a baby-boom next year. Prices still look cheap.

>> No.18192844

wait first it isn't transmissible, then it could be transmitted, and now this shit can fly? I'll believe this shit exists when I go to a funeral of some one who had it.

>> No.18192852

Hey goys.

I'm an e commerce business jerk whose never fucked with stock or crypto. Is there a way to buy gold or silver through etrade? That's who I bank with anyways.

>> No.18192861

>does the market go up?
obviously. i literally cant imagine a scenario that does not set the markets all green.

>> No.18192865

wasnt it confirmed airborne in february?

>> No.18192869

If you know someone who has it then you're already infected.

>> No.18192871

You don't buy gold or silver through the stock market. You buy stake in the companies or firms that mine, process, or sell it.

>> No.18192872

in SF, LA, NY, and Chicago...

>> No.18192876

>Pulled all the way out
>Just cash right now
I'll wait for the crashing day for me to sink it all in SQQQ so I can hop in hop out.
I just got 9k more to make before I'm in the green.
Gotta pick my battles.

>> No.18192889

>Futures in a comfy flat position
>VIX dropping
It all looks like its safe going back in desu.
Since we have disconnected from reality or the economy anyways.

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>> No.18192903

implying the money from the bailout that went to keep abortion clinics funded isn't going to go towards coat-hangering those kids before they're born.

>> No.18192906

>he bought puts and is seething but can't staunch the bleeding from his asshole or portfolio

>> No.18192911

>air samplers
what is this? a device that sucks in air for analytics? or did they simply fill a bag with air and analyzed that? because the latter would be a news. the former really not.

>> No.18192912

p/e looks to high I would not buy at these prices

>> No.18192914
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>VIX is still above 50, almost 60
>Bulls can't even wait for VIX to drop below 20

>> No.18192919

>wasnt it confirmed airborne in february?
It was confirmed it could survive outside the body for up to 7-14 days, it was airborne in the sense it was expelled with attachment to bodily fluids.

If it's true it's truly airborne, just being in the area someone with corona has been is enough to infect others if people are shedding virus by breathing.

>> No.18192922

A year ago a VIX of 15 was considered risky

>> No.18192928

>It looks like it's safe to go back in
thank you for the bear signal

>> No.18192944

thats old news anon, they said it can live in the air for 3-4 hours after someone sneezes.

>> No.18192945

There's no etf's? Is that even what an etf is? I swear I'm not retarded, except as it relates to investment stuff.

>> No.18192956
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Market has gone crazy, I expected many more -10% and +10% days.

>> No.18192961

And now it can survive in the air for 7-14 days without anyone coughing or sneezing.

>> No.18192962

this was the number one story on CNBC app all last week... unusual that it stayed that long.

Headline was something like
>WHO considering designating coronavirus airborne
or something

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>> No.18192974

It's going to follow the 45 degree line no matter how many bear flags they try to make. Powell doesn't sleep.

>> No.18192979

there are ETF's
they are fine, but you can't ever touch or take the gold so purists hate them

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Post coronas as we wait for chaos this week.

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>> No.18193007

It woudl obviously be better for society if you kept on bearin'

>> No.18193025

You will not be able to touch the actual gold just as those who buy shares in oil will not ever touch an actual barrel of oil. The closest to the "surface" you ever get will be in cash or some close proxy.

>> No.18193033

Yeah bro trust me there's definitely going to be inflation this time for sure trust me bro my 19th century economic theory completely applies to global finance capitalism which is why I know this is going to cause massive hyperinflation despite all evidence being to the contrary observable reality is for (((them)))

>> No.18193057

You beat it if you become a crab

>> No.18193060

It's beginning to look a little mad max outside desu. Nothing big, just some general disregard and the police not bothering to do shit. I pulled up and asked one and he mentioned that jurisdiction ended precisely at the towns edge and they have new orders to stay within that strictly rather than township level enforcement as they've been chartered to do.

>> No.18193061

So, uh... we're overdue for a correction now right?
It's gotta be red tomorrow, r-r *cough* doesn't it??

>> No.18193074

It's not going to cause inflation because the Fed is buying with fake money but you have to buy from the fed with real money otherwise you miss out as it gets pumped. Your money going in back to the Fed is the counterbalance to the printing.

>> No.18193081

They already own a ton of real estate through their purchasing of mortgage backed securities.

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not going to make it

>> No.18193086

EOD there will be 24000 new cases and 650 deaths in the US for 30th March when today's cases are correctly reported tomorrow.

>> No.18193093

>"If its not today, it'll be tomorrow."

>> No.18193100
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Are you Corona faggots ready to admit this is all a big nothing? Anyone afraid of this is a bitch

>> No.18193111

Recommend me divvy stocks, I want to replace my retail wagie income

>> No.18193125

>east asian

>> No.18193126

No, you are going to sit end watch as this ticks up, and it's not just going to climb up it's going to make some nice big bear flags along the way so you you can witness the big green dildos breaking them up every single time for new highs.

>> No.18193127

Real talk, how much are single women trying to get boyfriends right now?

>> No.18193130

Someone give this man the DEW

>> No.18193145

In a real serious tits up situation, which is why you buy gold, you're unlikely to ever see the benefit of gold held in this way. The reason people buy physical is because they believe hyperinflation or currency failure is a possibility.

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>> No.18193158

You cannot exist on dividends unless you have so much money you wouldn't have had to work anyway.
The other problem with dividends is that when times are touch, the dividends can be cut or eliminated.

>> No.18193195

Can they be bought on the etrade platform? If so, would it be pants on head retarded to funnel the profits from my new side venture (don't need the money from it) directly into them on a monthly basis?

Would it make more sense to just buy Spy shares? Can fractions of SPY shares be bought?

I am an investment brainlet. I'm definitely realizing that now...

>> No.18193196

If I make more money than I spend, I can funnel excess into a cash account just in case SHTF as it's doing right now.

>> No.18193216

I use iShares Gold Bullion ETF (CGL.C)

>> No.18193255

Thanks bro. I'll check it out.

>> No.18193256
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Does the fed really think they can keep pumping all the way through November? There won't be a country left to run if they keep doing this.

>> No.18193266

this picture gives me anxiety delet this

>> No.18193270

That’s not the point. There is utilitarian value in getting a constant revenue stream without selling the underlying asset.

Can’t sell covered calls on stock you don’t own.

>> No.18193277

They won't have to once it is in pre-corona levels in 2 weeks they'll pull back and tell investors "just dare to sell again"

>> No.18193282


Guys, have you priced in the fact that the claim about peak at mid April is complete bullshit? Like the 2 week claim was before?

Tbh you got to use ridiculously optimistic model parameters to get such results. Even if USA was put to full lockdown tomorrow, it would probably take more than 2 weeks to reach max hospitalisation peak.

>> No.18193287

If Dubs I go 4k in SQQQ right now.

>> No.18193295

here's your dubs, nigger

>> No.18193297

Then the investors just dump it and take out calls at ridiculous strike prices to make billions.

>> No.18193314


But stricter measures extend the time it takes to peak?

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And how does it make you feel about the market?

>> No.18193332

1 off? Does kek mean to tell me I should wait a day?

>> No.18193333


This is actually bullish.

Shit tier company.

>> No.18193334

ngl I fucking love the bloomberg music

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>> No.18193344

Fuck you nigger you took my holy quads.

>> No.18193346

SPX 3,333 confirmed.

>> No.18193347

>RASHEEDA TUHLEEB pushing for "mint the coins" strategy
wew. dead in the water?
Reminds me of AOC pushing for research into psychedelics: if only the far out people want it, ain't gonna happen.

Honestly... I keep waiting for the sky to fall but it ain't happening. If the federal government ways you can't kick people out, maybe just pays companies rent for them or something, the avalanche of defaults won't hit?

I dunno I sell on days like today and DCA into DOG, TW

>which is why you buy gold
I buy gold as a hedge against inflation of the US Dollar. It looked like a real possibility until we were hit with this deflationary shock.

Still, I think it's worth holding because you never know when the deflation will reverse.

I use GLDM, but another low-expense one I hear about is BAR.

>Like the 2 week claim was before
everyone knew, and hoped he wouldn't do something stupid like that
even trump has hinted at a may possibility, and I've heard June from analysts.

>> No.18193354

What’s the best way to buy oil ? XLE, VDF?

>> No.18193373

taking physical delivery of futures contracts

there's some overhead though

>> No.18193375

The OP wanted to replace working a retail job with dividends. There is utilitarian value in dividends especially as part of long term investment planning but its simply not going to replace a salary.
If that is the case then you want to find what are called "safe" dividends. That adjective typically means that the company has paid their dividend always at or above the previous level for something like 20+ quarters (5 years) in a row.
You should do some reading before you start putting serious money into the market. Generally speaking, the good long term play is to diversify i.e. buy stocks in many different companies across many different industries so that what you really sample is the average movement of the whole market. It's less likely to give huge returns but it's also very unlikely to give huge losses. You balance significantly less risk with a cap on reward. That would be SPY.
It has been proven time and time again that trying to time a single stock to buy it at its lowest point and sell it at its highest is a fool's errand and the market will always beat you. Unless you know something about a firm as a non-employee that others cannot access which is insider trading (and is illegal)

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thoughts on Bayer?

>> No.18193414

The second you buy calls is the second it will crash. Have you looked at the fucking volume lately? Only 1/3rd of the average so the market is being pumped. It's a fucking timebomb.

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How about:
Which dividend stocks have the free cashflow to maintain their dividend, low debt, and business that isn't too at-risk from COVID-19 related shocks?


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guys SQQQ will definitely hit $24 again before the heat death of the universe right? please?

>> No.18193449

Best ETFs to buy ?

>> No.18193455
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Lower the volume so he thinks it's the peak
>He sold
Print $200,000,000 and pump it

>> No.18193466

Absolutely not. You’ll be lucky to see $20 again.

>> No.18193471

uh trips confirm i hope

>> No.18193476
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consumer staples will be fine. $XLP or take your pick.

>> No.18193485

Even if it doesn’t replace the salary, I know from wagie experience that there have been times a couple hundred dollars in a dividend payment would have been clutch. Shit happens and instead of having to sell some his stack he can take the divvy.

>> No.18193488

Try 200 trillion, champ.
We're reaching money printing levels that shouldn't even be possible.

>> No.18193491

Trips of hope.

>> No.18193493

How is the stock market doing

>> No.18193512

Nikkei doesn't look like it's doing too hot but eh could be worse.

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I want to research psychedelics....

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>> No.18193566

it will hit $24 multiple times per decade
they usually let it decay down under $10 and then reverse split it back up above $40
same with all the levvy&inverse ETFs

>> No.18193570

Do it so I don't go broke alone, misery loves company.

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That's actually pretty damn good actually. I've got a handful of Coca Cola and Colgate-Palmolive on Robinhood, and my roth IRA has a bunch of Costco and Pepsico.

Me too my man, and I wish the gov't would relax on that. I don't agree with AOC on much, but that's one she's right on.

Nah just buy any dips in NTDOY.

>> No.18193586

Well, depends. Yes, if you let it go through the population until herd immunity together with restrictions push r0 below 1.This will probably be ensue in major societal disruptions, massive number of deaths and fuck up US for good. But if restrictions are strict enough to push r0 below 1 without having herd immunity as a significant factor, the epidemy dies off quicker with significantly less cases.

My comment reflected the latter control measure. But any kind of containment strategy is not going to peak hospital capacity in 2 weeks.

>> No.18193591

do you need the money now or can you wait until then

>> No.18193594

Okay, here's a good reason. https://brrr.money/

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>> No.18193603

There's no indication of further sliding on the markets. buying puts will essentially be a waste of your money at this point.

>> No.18193605

Thanks bros! I'll lurk here a bit more frequently and look into your recommendations.

>> No.18193606

>Want to invest
>See numbers go up
>Also see how its all artificial
>Lock downs and economic mayhem
>Unemployment through the roof
>Literally no reason the market should go up
I hate it

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who cares lol

>> No.18193618

Did the LA Mexicans get riced or something?

>> No.18193620

Looks like Californians homelessness problem just solved itself.

>> No.18193624

Very bullish

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>> No.18193639

Raytheon is currently above the price of UT but they're merging and Raytheon shareholders get 2.3:1 shares


I should buy RTN, right?

>> No.18193642

Don't worry, a fuckton of new homeless replacements are coming.

>> No.18193644

Unironically bullish and I'm the biggest bear there is. Homeless dying means more people going out to stores and wanting to be in public.

>> No.18193646

Why in the fuck does the market keep going up when everything is shit and nobody is buying anything?

Is it inflation?

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>> No.18193656

Amerindians are actually most closely related to asians

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>> No.18193664

What about when the headlines finally drop that the CPI has doubled in a month?

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>Entire economy is fucked, everyone is unemployed, most businesses about to go bankrupt
>no indicators
There was no reason for SPY to be 330, why should it be 260 when everything is beyond fucked?

>> No.18193677

This is unironically bullish

>> No.18193678

A few days these weeks have been bots bouncing off each other. Today felt like one of those days. The volume was pathetic. A 1-2% rise in stock prices is really just a reflection of the weakening dollar I think.

>> No.18193679

the stimulus and overreaction of the beginning of the virus made it drop too low. hysteria is controlling a lot of people still

>> No.18193686

i've found myself to be buying even more toys these days now that i need to keep myself occupied indoors 24/7

>> No.18193694


four 1:4 R/S last decade

>> No.18193695

They could but the money from the calls won't be coming from the FED it will be from other investors, the FED will only sell at the very top and will drag its feet in the 45 degree line all they way there.

>> No.18193705

fucking same boat anon, now was supposed to be our time but the fucking feds can't keep their fat fucking fingers out of it all.

>> No.18193707

>covid kills homeless, the unhealthy, and the elderly
>no more pension obligations
>social security saved
>gibs programs become obsolete
Bullish as a motherfucker

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Criminally underrated post

>> No.18193714

Hyperinflation in a month is making these stocks look dirt cheap.

>> No.18193735

Toys is one thing sure, but construction has stopped, tourism has halted, hospitality will be dead in the water and I've got a dollar that says most new loans are defensive rather than aggressive

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>Hyperinflation in a month
heard this story for the last 10 years, i guess we'll hear it for another 10.

>> No.18193739

the only problem is if we stop the spread too soon

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how do i turn my brain off like the bulls and just buy? i am losing money fighting these fake and gay pumps, if i could just pretend this price movement isn't retarded then i could buy calls and make money, but i can't will myself to do something so irrational. i am afraid the moment i do the retarded thing, the pump stops and it starts to drop as it should. pls help

>> No.18193745

Maybe in 5-10 years dumbfuck

>> No.18193747

At this point it won't even matter. EVERY news that we've had over the past 2 weeks somehow caused the market to rally. Record unemployment claims? Rally. QE infinity? Rally. No products being moved? Rally. Oil at record lows? Rally.

Honestly Nothing is making sense. Normal day to day trading doesn't fucking function the way it should be anymore. I got in in the middle of some good news on my pet stocks and you know what happened? They went down. Why? Nobody fucking knows. There's no explanation. One of their competitors just declared bankruptcy, meaning they're in a prime position for the awarding of a government contract and they've announced as such. Wanna know what happened? The fucking stock slid.

Up is down.

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>> No.18193770

If you dont understand American stocks go up forever you should just give up, youre trash

>> No.18193772

the market has the ability to see 3 months past today, not sure why the rest of you guys cant

>> No.18193775

>unprecedented unlimited QE
>no inflation

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When will JNUG moon

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Turn your brain on for real, and stop trying to out-think the market with options
Buy stocks, then continue to buy stocks.

>> No.18193781

Time average. Commit beforehand so your emotions don't get the better of you. The time frame is all that then factors in your decision. Do you average over a day, a week, a month, a quarter?
Personally I am still sitting on about 50% cash because this VIX is still stupid high.

>> No.18193789

do you honestly think anyone cares about construction tourism or hospitality. we need to let those sectors die and we will come out the other side better off

>> No.18193802

There won't be any inflation. If you want to buy anything then you have to pay the FED real money to balance the fake money they used to mark it up. The Fed prints 80 imaginary dollars and buys something and if you want it you have to pay 80 real dollars at least, the FED burns your dollars for a net 0 on their part but they don't pay fees only you do.

>> No.18193806

If all the pumped money goes to a small group of people you can unironically print as much as you want without causing any inflation at all.

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>extreme fantasies
>people LITERALLY forced to stay in homes
>people LITERALLY losing TENS of MILLIONS of jobs
>companies LITERALLY going bankrupt as we shit post
>government LITERALLY printing infinite money
>extreme fantasies

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as we move forward in time, there is less uncertainty about the impact of the virus on the economy.
the big huge dump down was in reaction to what we knew about the situation, as well as all kinds of uncertainty about how bad things can get.
now we're finding out how bad things can get. It's not great, but it's not Armageddon.
that's why having more news (information) can steady the markets and move them upwards a bit. Not because the news is good, but because we're filling in the blanks.

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Also the IV is so high my calls would just get obliterated anyways

>> No.18193838

Germany taxes Americans for dividend payouts.

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>he fell for the 9,009th version of the global economy is collapsing scam

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Bull? Bear? Crab? I think we've gone full clown.

>> No.18193848

Why is she looking at me like that

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>> No.18193866

Because you tripped like a loser. Anime girls hate losers.

>> No.18193867

Those are fair points all. At this point I'm trying to work out individual stock movements to see why things are going fucking weird with normally safe bets I've been able to hoover up at a discount. But even then the numbers aren't making sense in terms of trading volume in and out. When I was watching the volume on a few select defense stocks I noticed the overall volume was 1/8th of what was going on.

>> No.18193875

Has unrest been priced in? I would absolutely be willing to bet Americans can't be quarantined for more than a month without mass chimpouts.

>> No.18193885

i endorse this meme

>> No.18193886
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i hope you know that the number of cases will increase as soon as the quarantine measures are relaxed
so prepare yourself for a long year and with a little luck coronachan will not mutate anymore, even if I doubt it
i expect more deadly mutations in india and africa and more transmissible mutations in countries with "social distancing" simply through natural selection and at the end you will be ded :D

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Because you are dirt and deserve to be stepped on

>> No.18193891
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>tfw the FED buyout oxygen and you can't breath anymore

>> No.18193896

construction is kind of important 2bhwu

Everyone was staying in their homes on the computer or TV or their smartphones already.

Most peoples' jobs weren't important, they were just make-work service crap. people with real jobs are still mostly working.

Companies going bankrupt can be healthy to the economy at large. Before this happened, people were all kinds of unhappy about "zombie companies" and that kind of thing.

There is nothing wrong with some dynamics in the economy every now and then to shake things up.

some unrest is priced in.
If we get large scale riots, then no. That isn't priced in. But it seems unlikely.

>> No.18193904

one off again

>> No.18193912

>march 16th
priced in

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It's honestly kind of hilarious how the entire world, from premier investors to shitposters on /biz/, seem to agree that there's no reason the market should be going up right now and they're baffled that it's still happening.

>> No.18193919

meant for >>18193886

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>> No.18193940

i'm not baffled. i've been buying on the way down. you're just dumb and dont understand how anything works.

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>inb4 normalfags and other outsiders catch on and spread the "priced in" meme to the point everyone on the planet heard it and believes it and then there's only growth forever

>> No.18193956

The market can't see shit. That's why it crashed explosively.

>> No.18193960

it's literally all over stocktwits, probably over plebbit and twitter also

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>> No.18193963

I don’t know about you all... but this is the first time since college since I’ve felt alive. I have lots of silver and been waiting for this to happen for 5 years. The point where 1 silver Roosevelt dime buys me a blowjob from a formerly well to do housewife and her 18 year old daughter at the same time. I’ve been waiting in the shadows laughing at these cuck husbands who buy their wives range rovers instead of buying silver bullion... knowing that I’ll be face fucking their wives mouths for the 1.30$ it cost me to buy that silver dime.

Just yesterday at Whole Foods I seamlessly entered a conversation with a roastie milf with a ring about corona in the water aisle... and I said it’s a cover for trump to bring us on a gold standard. She was looking at me in amazement like she wanted me to paint her lips in cum. At the end of the conversation I’m like take my number l, have plenty of protection and freeze dried food if you ever need it and she took it from me.

>> No.18193968

How do I invest long term? It freaks me out to imagine buying shares of a company each month and then in 7 years the CEO fucks up catastrophically and I'm forced to sell. Yeah Sure I made huge profit but those 7 years are gone.

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something something cunny

>> No.18193972

Name one reason it would be going up aside from brrrr (which is probably the actual reason)

>> No.18193973
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Check out the wikipedia entries for deflation and disinflation. Maybe investopedia too.

I'm not, but if she wants me to be, I will be.

You keep saying this, but it isn't true. You must not be looking very hard.

>> No.18193977

so it should have crashed, but earlier, according to you? or it should have priced in a 100yr pandemic possibility at all times?

>> No.18193986
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Wait. Really?

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Get ready for hordes of poor people raiding stores for food in a month or two.
The layoffs are just warming up.

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>> No.18193995

yes, that is the main reason. people control their currency and have a vested interest in the economy not being destroyed, so they'll do everything they can to make sure that doesn't happen. especially when the shock to the system comes from something like a virus instead of a structural issue

>> No.18193996

>I want to make theoritical pennies for years that I never withdraw and then lose half of my intitial investment because of an economic crisis
Stocks/Unleveraged ETF. Lose only portion what you paid. Never win.

>I want to long X by paying a premium but no risk of losing all my money
Buy a Call. Lose what you paid more than half the time. Make money based on actual price difference (e.g : +50USD for a stock), not on it making +1% (Much better than stocks at capturing growth).

>I want to short X by paying a premium but no risk of losing all my money
Buy a Put. Lose what you paid 90% of the time. Become rich during a black day.

>I want to lose all the invested money 99% of the time but make crazy returns the 1% of the time i'm right
Buy A LOT of Call/Put. Above was playing the roulette with red/black. Now you are putting everything on the same number.

>I want to make a lot of pennies 99% of the time but be bankrupt the 1% of the time i'm wrong

>I want to leverage the fuck out of my money and lose it all because I don't understand the financial products i'm using
Anything else.

>What are Futures ?
The buyer of the future MUST buy the underlying asset from the seller at the agreed date for the agreed price.

>What are CFD
Contracts for Difference. It's like a future, but you don't even have to buy/sell the underlying asset, making it uncorelated to the liquidity of the market. You simply bet on price X and pocket/pay the difference from the spot price when maturity is reached. In case of serious turmoil and no hege, can make you bankrupt.

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OK im ready for my money now !

>> No.18194005


>What is hedging.
If you sell a Future for price X and buy a Call for price X (with matching underlying asset and expiration), you can only make money : If the asset price is Lower than X, you buy it from the market and pocket the difference,if it's higher than price X, you execise your Call and don't lose any money. Work in reverse with buying a Future+Put This is hedging 101.

Of course, buying the contracts (call/put) themselves cost money, and expose the seller of those contracts to a lot of risks. It's basically an insurance premium. By selling those contracts, financial institutions are making a lot of money. In theory this is a zero sum game because they are taking risks, but they are too big to fail so the govt is bailing them out. Imagine an Insurance company where the people in suits pocket all the contributions but the government pay if you have an accident.
The game is rigged, the house always win. If you want to be able to retire hapilly thanks to long term investments made trough your life, marry a traditional girl and have kids that loves you back, with enough of a cash cushion for rainy days. Only invest in tax-break opportunities that are unavailable or invisible to financial institutions. (e.g. : new housing in your town that YOU KNOW is close to the tube station opening in two years but that a wall-street intern don't see on his spreadsheet).
Everything else is gambling and should be treated as such (consider every penny put in it lost, be happy when you win).

Bonus :
>I want to be raped in jail
Borrow money to bet in the financial market.

>> No.18194007

Oil Bros fall in. Currently holding XOM, CVX, COP, HAL. SBL, PSX, MRO, BP, and RDS.B Are they gonna make it?

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>> No.18194010

Ok, but those aren't reasons for market capitalization indices to go UP.

>> No.18194019

nigga just buy a Canadian bank stock, doesn't matter which one, they're Swiss tier stable

>> No.18194023

Huh, I don't browse any other "social" place but here so I wouldn't know.
Maybe they're the ones who introduced us to it, and we're the idiots spreading it..

>> No.18194028

Blue chip dividend stocks like Procter & gamble and Johnson & Johnson. Pretty boring investing though.

>> No.18194029

Will 3M ever reach ATH again

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Checked. Let creative destruction reign.

>> No.18194037

its not baffling at all

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>> No.18194043

how much is that in green lines ?

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PRICED IIIINNN!!! Only way is up!
The clown market needs to price in so much bad shit that we hit 85k end of year!
Let the stonks decouple from reality completely. I want to see the DOW happily chugging upwards while people go mad max mode.

>> No.18194056


green lines are priceless, they are more like works of art, you can't compare them to simple commodities

>> No.18194072

evictions are lower here than normal for now

>> No.18194073

>futures react to further death news.jpg

>> No.18194086

>Futures still green
I give up
Where my BVLLS at?

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My spy 80 6/19 puts are still green

>> No.18194100

redpill me on straddles and condors and all the fancy spreads n shit

>> No.18194102

>I give up
I gave up on Puts a long time ago but that doesnt mean I have to join the bull team. This market is just retarded.

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You forgot the best parts. European market is basically a casino.
Warrants, mini futures, turbos: 10x leveraged calls/puts. Can go 1000x+ underlying if interest keeps stacking up.
Your investment can also go to 0 very fast.

And, degenerate gamblers favorite, leveraged certificates. Goes X times against underlying, exist in both call and put version. We've got 20X against all big indexes, and 10X against commodities and shares. Just think of them like Shares but they are multiplied by 10 times and reset every day. If the underlying goes down enough to multiply towards 0, it becomes worthless instantly that same day, bye bye money

Best part is these can be day traded at any time and have no expiration unless listed or they become worthless


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>he bought?

>> No.18194114

Hello, fellow BVLLCHAD. I just bought SPY calls @ 300, you?

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trump pills confirmed to be working, it's all green from here

>> No.18194122

It should have been able to see the problem would be bad, but controllable and that some companies would be wrekt while other post nearly double revenue quarters from the shifting demand. S&P 500 would drop maybe 15% over a few weeks since productivity falls overall.
Instead there was a massive selloff that was only stopped by dropping interest rates to zero and injecting an enormous amount of liquidity into the market, and it's possible that we're in an enormous bull trap but really who the fuck knows. This market is more manipulated and easily panicked than most shitcoins.

>> No.18194126

those niggers will not exist after 2022
>t. im that guy

>> No.18194130

I put a little over 300k into the stalk market at 92/pop.
A whole room literally packed to the brim. How fucked am I?

>> No.18194141

which stalks did you by

>> No.18194146

This is the expected part, the trouble comes if these people can’t pay their rent, make their car payments, make their mortgage, and default. IF the government can’t stop that from happening.

The reason the market liked the stimulus package was because it showed that the government was committed to making sure that didn’t happen, not because it was enough to prevent that from happening.

So basically, bears are counting on the fuckups in Washington to fuck it up and let partisan divide keep them from taking further measures that prevent Americans from declaring bankruptcy and having all their property repossessed.

That’s not such a bad bet. But it’s not one that can be easily timed.

Fuckin saved
This is how I will keep RKG once I have become 4channel.org’s top trader.

>> No.18194150

Is now a good time to buy the Starbucks dip? Also thinking of buying Coca Cola.

>> No.18194165

the only kind... imagine not knowing.

>> No.18194166

why would the selloff be slow if the market could see in advance what was happening? you're contradicting yourself

>> No.18194170

She'd enjoy it too much. But make sure she's forced to wear cat ears all the time.

>> No.18194177

>Also thinking of buying Coca Cola.
Wow!! You must be so rich being able to buy a company as large as coca cola, awesome dude.

>> No.18194191
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>priced in was NOT priced in

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>19,999 new cases today
is this priced in and/or bullish?

>> No.18194230

let's smash that early life button on this fear-monger's wikipedia.

>> No.18194231

Because the effects of corona are slow and the perfect self aware market knows that dumping will cause further panic.
The market works on incomplete information, consensus, and emotion. This makes it irrational and reactionary. It's not an oracle.

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Why should I not buy into something like CHB? Dem yields.

>> No.18194251

Fuck off NEET. I bet you’ve never even been to World of Coca Cola.

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China data MUCH better than expected.

>> No.18194266

Those are the fakest numbers ever but the market will rally on them.

>> No.18194272

Sure, let's trust these, not that it matters much it's not going down.

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>> No.18194289

no. sometimes im in profit but i get greedy and dont sell. for example my current position was up $10k last week but now its down $8k.

>> No.18194291

i pretty much agree with everything you said here. when i originally claimed "the market has the ability to see 3 months past today" i wasn't meaning that it knows for certain what that's going to look like, but rather it's adjusting for potential outcomes. as more information is known and the future seems less dire, stocks will go up, even if the current news is shit.

>This makes it irrational and reactionary.
well, the market is somewhat human based. existential threats tend to send people off the deep-end a little bit. that should be a part of an individual investors thesis for buying or selling.

>> No.18194302

>sometimes im in profit but i get greedy and dont sell
This is the hardest lesson, along with cutting losses.

>> No.18194313

Depends if you're willing to trust strangers

>> No.18194315
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The time to buy KO was when it dropped below $40

If it does that again, I’m going to slam my dick on the buy button, just freed up cash in my IRA for that purpose.

That may never happen. Mike Wilson thinks we may have seen the bottom of this bear market already. But I’d wait for a dip, I wouldn’t buy it on a Green Day after a 5% rally.

We may get another buying opportunity very soon!!


>quad 9’s
Bullish as fuck.

>> No.18194336
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Who actually believes this? What in the actual fuck

>> No.18194337

This is probably my favorite post of yours. But I don’t see why we should assume the mutations will be deadlier, isn’t the opposite usually the case?

I really hope the experts prevent trump from relaxing restrictions too early. That’s what happened in Canada during Sars-1, and it surged immediately.

>> No.18194340

trusting strangers? That seems like a poor ROI.

>> No.18194354

You're illiterate

>> No.18194365

Nobody it's the second highest pmi in the last 5 years at least. Does it make a difference, no.

>> No.18194369

14,000 dow soon. this pump is just to margin call the shorts

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and we're back

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>> No.18194399

I might’ve skimmed your post my bad. I was responding to the whole “tits up, you’ll never see the benefits of gold in an etf”. It still hedges against inflation. I thought you were saying the tits up thing meaning end of days you need physical gold to barter with other wanderers in the post apocalyptic wasteland.

>> No.18194409

Cut that out. Once you're reasonably in the green you should be putting a stop loss at break even, minimum.

>> No.18194411

You dodged a bullet there anon

>> No.18194416

>I’m going to slam my dick on the buy button
h-haha oh my gosh ...

>> No.18194419

i believe these numbers. looks like we're good.

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>> No.18194433

Play the casino for less time than going full bear/bull but for the same potential gain

>Condor and even more weird sheit
Created for options brokers to take more cut. Same issue as straddles : lower your time in the market.

Unless you are too big to fail/investment grade and have hence access to the cheat codes, the only way you can really get rich is by capturing a black swan. Just go for the lowest continuous fee that still capture the dollar differnce of the underlying crap.

If you don't want to gamble, just don't get into the market.


See :
>I want to leverage the fuck out of my money and lose it all because I don't understand the financial products i'm using
>Anything else.

>> No.18194435
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What do you guys think of $KO
Coke cola took a huge hit but its at near 5 year lows.
Its @45.13
It has 2 resistance points @45.26~47
A strong support from multiple attempts @~43.50 during 2018

Will KO go COKE for the "cola"

>> No.18194440

suuuuuure china, whatever you say

>> No.18194445

I'm going to buy all the KO
AFTER we crash more.

>> No.18194446

I bought at it's high point right before the virus became a pandemic, about to buy alot more just to get some gains

>> No.18194447

Is this market powering up for a dip? Half the working populace in the world is going to be unemployed.

>> No.18194452

Im not Chinese and these numbers are true and reliable

>> No.18194454

>Velocity slowing
>Printing increasing
It has all the ingredients. A velocity spoke would do it.

>> No.18194467

>China can't stop lying
Doesn't matter, war soon.

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>> No.18194485

Do you guys think that US shale is going to get ultimately wrecked by this oil war and what are its implications on XOM, CVX, and COP?

>> No.18194501
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I just told you:

I think we truly might have seen the bottom for the good companies. The indexes may go lower, but we might not see MSFT, LMT, BRKB, KO, PEP hit those levels again.

I’m probably going to set some standing limit orders just in case though.

>> No.18194516

holy fuck how many times do we have to tell you transplants noobs that its PRICED IN

>> No.18194523

No. This is a bull market. The Fed has a very clear 45 degree line, you can only play higher they will buy the lower. The FED will build an account of -10T but their goal is 0 not profit and they can keep stuff forever until somebody buys them, the lower you do so the better for you.

>> No.18194525

China numba #1


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>> No.18194528

Was this (You) priced in?

>> No.18194535

All oil will be dead. XOM, RDS, and CVX will be the only ones left, but much smaller and cut dividends.

>> No.18194549

1 of 10 make money and 9 of 10 loosing , that's why everyone are encouraged to trade.

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>priced in?
>bearfags on suicide watch?

yeah, i'm thinking we're back

>> No.18194561

Even BP, HAl, SBL?

>> No.18194562
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We will get a pullback as always. But the worst may truly be behind us.

Here’s a chart I just seen on twitter.

>> No.18194565

wow so you stupid too?

>> No.18194571

the government isn't sending out checks to the plebs for no reason

>> No.18194592

this is a correction... we wanted one of these, the truth is people making $350K a night to preform on stage so some one else can sell over a million in beer and tickets, it's not sustainable. Greedy fucks need a kick in the wallet and this is the most natural way to do it.

>> No.18194596
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Or maybe this one...

>> No.18194600

this would suck if its already over, I want to buy more. a 2 week recession? 2 months or more like 2 years please

i want to buy cheap

>> No.18194612

so you looking for nothing to cure nothing?
Trump already wrote check from tax payers pockets to solve nothing

>> No.18194615

somebody fill me in on what these numbers mean?

>> No.18194623

You don't have 35% unemployment and nothing happens.

>> No.18194628
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>I fell for the SPHD and SPYD meme

>> No.18194635
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I want to drink a million dollars worth of beer....

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When a war can drive up the stocks just imagine what a civil war could so.
We will be swimming in money once the impoverished masses start taking apart NYC.

>> No.18194651

Essentially that China had their second best month of existence of the last 7ish years.

>> No.18194660

I got that "essentially" vibe, I want to know what the numbers literally mean

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>> No.18194663

>Do you guys think that US shale is going to get ultimately wrecked by this oil war and what are its implications on XOM, CVX, and COP?

Extremely hard to say, and very geopolitical.
Late september last year, the US became a net exporter of oil. If the trade war goes ballistic and it look like the saudi are fucked anyway, the US could very well put big balls tariffs on oil so that the Shale industry survives.
However, such a move would make lost the dollar some of it's appeal as the world reserve currency -oil producer would accept other currencies than just the dollar-, and link the dollar more to the american economy and less to it's utility as the standard pricing unit for every international business, no exception.

Trillions printed by the feds are still jackshit when diluted by the world.
Trillions printed by the fed is Weimar level of inflation when diluted by US economy.

>Irak was invaded because Sadamm was selling his oil in Euros
>DSK was polically assasinated because he wanted to give the Euro the same reserve currency status as the Dollar
>Khadaffi was removed because he started to sell his oil against gold

So if Hillary was president, yes, the Shale would go bust. The american people are worth nothing compared to the world stability and the elite ability to travel everywhere business class.

With Trump ? Not so sure.

>> No.18194668

if theres a 2 year long recession you wont have money to buy stocks, youll be getting eaten alive by zombies and unicorns

>> No.18194672

the heat death of the universe is priced in at this point

>> No.18194677

How much is priced in? I'm getting bullish now. V shape recovery because stonks go only up.

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>not just buying low then selling high
Why are you complicating shit anons?

>> No.18194683

>I just told you:
Different guy
Would you set a put or a call?
Was that dip all just noise from the overall market?
Are we about to go COKE

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Oh wait, wrong pic that was yesterday. Already sold off that 4th item.

>> No.18194709
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the L is faster spreading because it is more virulent but also more detectable as it multiplies faster in the body
for example, it attacks heart muscles faster
so you will get faster spreading mutations in big crowds as you natural select and favor those who spread as fast and infect as many as possible
and better transmissable in countries where distance is important as you natural select and kill those who only stay in the air for a short time
also there are 0 reasons why it can't mutate any more just hope

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>> No.18194721
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A few insiders in this company bought a bunch of shares in early march, is that a good signal to buy?

>> No.18194722

>”here’s a chart I just seen on Twitter”
>blind faith because someone drew lines

Holy kek

>> No.18194738

/biz/ is a gambling board

>> No.18194751
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Any online trading place where they process your application quickly? I applied to scotia itrade more than a week ago and I still can't trade. I'm a leaf and want to trade on TSX.

>> No.18194762

New bread printed

>> No.18194763

Considering nobody has sound advice here, I've come to learn this the hard way.

>> No.18194786

1987 was a technical recession

>> No.18194789

I'll sell you one guiness for a million dollars... I"ma just drink the fucking thing if you're not interested....

supply and demand.

>> No.18194819

This one is better. Not that this crash will play out exactly same as previous but it's a fair guideline to what volatility looks like along the way.

>> No.18194839

I'm in at 600 don't do it...

>> No.18194844

>Have a 100USD
>Stock is worth 100USD at low
>I Buy one stock
>Stock goes to 200USD when I sell
I just made 100USD playing stocks (X2 return on a X2 growth). If the stock goes to 0, I lose all of my money. I can't lose more than I invested.

I need to bet that the market will eventually go up, it's a perpetual source of stress until i've sold, and then I have HOLD/Weak hand regreats. I need to time the dip and the peak.

>Have a 100USD
>Stock is worth 100USD at low
>Option expiring tomorrow priced at 1USD for a call of 150USD
>Everyday I buy 10 of those options
>For 9 days I lose 10 dollars everyday
>Stock goes to 200USD at maturity on the last day
I made 50x10 - 90 = 410 dollars. Every time I buy a new batch of options, this money is considered lost. I can't lose more than what I've already paid.

You just have to keep buying option at a price you think it's gonna move above/below the current spot between the moment you buy the option and it's maturity. No timing necessary as long as you can keep playing, the only thing the timing will change is the size of your return, not if it will happen.

>> No.18194846

I learned quite a bit from some anons here, might have to do some more work on your own though to piece it together.

>> No.18194878

Tvix only goes up when puts on the s&p are overbought basically. So unless we see another -30% drop youre money aint going anywhere

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theft isnt a crime anymore
cops afraid of getting sick
people panicked and bottled up
goods in short supply
media pushing anger for past three years
rich bailing themselves out
stores signaling they expect riots
gasoline is also much cheaper and in full supply
thousands of armed old white guys cooped up in the house for two weeks with a bitching wife

what could possibly go wrong?

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sometimes yes, sometimes no. $PKW is a fund that holds stocks where insiders are buying shares.

>> No.18195451

>a one time 1200 trumpbux
Woah, that sure will cover everything. The alcohol needed to live under the bridge, that is.

>> No.18195715

trip code

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