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New dollar will sure be better.

>> No.18161390

i hate OP without links, i am at the phone and googleing this shit takes time

>> No.18161393

>>18161390
https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2020/03/28/donald-trump-and-the-fed-are-destroying-the-us-dollar/amp/

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Explenation for brainlets:
>to trade you need dollars
>China accumulated trillions of dollars
>TRADE WAR MODE ON
>USA destroys $
>new dollar is created
>new dollar is not exchangable with old dollar
>China is now bag holder
>they need to start over and accumulate new$
>USA has unlimited supply of new$
> USA USA USA!

>> No.18161722

>BLUMPF AND THE FED!
more like just the fed lmao

>> No.18161856

>it's Trump's fault the fed has been playing with Monopoly money for 50 years

Goddamn he's unstoppable

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>>18161377
Unironically based. Bring the USD down finally, it deserves death. Thank you God Emperor.

>> No.18162309

>>18161377
>FORBES
So DT and the Fed are building a new bright US Dollar

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Trump and Munchkin control it now. Federal Reserve Notes are going bye-bye. United States Treasury Dollars are coming next.

>> No.18163327

>>18161470
And them nobody ever trusted the US currency again.

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>>18161470
get cucked by the chinks fatass

>> No.18163532

>>18161470
i award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul

>> No.18163557

>>18163327
you do realize that america is the biggest war machine on earth? that means that it does not matter if people trust them or not, beause america will make them use their currency

>> No.18163587

>>18161377
>gay forbes community piece
this is a blogspot post, do you tards understand that?

>> No.18163588

>>18161470
implying China and other would just sit to watch.

Deluded burguer

>> No.18163632
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>>18161377
>The new dollar

>> No.18163691

>>18161470
China has thousands of tons of gold more than the US, they're playing a long game.

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>>18163691
https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/info/gold-reserves-by-country/

>> No.18163739

>>18163715
You believe official Chinese numbers on anything? Are you being supervised by an adult?

China has been buying all the gold it can for decades.

>> No.18163759

>>18163739
>doesn't trust china
>trust china pr rumors
my god dude, how long has it been since you got laid? has to be a record.

>> No.18163795

>>18162284
Have fun with your hyper Inflation

>> No.18163826

>>18163795
Doesn't even matter bro. US can just default and go back to the gold standard. In fact, its already in the works.

>> No.18163856

>>18163739
>China has been buying all the gold it can for decades.
So does the USA.
In fact every single country is doing this.

>> No.18163876

DOUBLE DOLLARS

>> No.18163877

>>18163759
I love the clear cognitive dissonance displayed by people who side with China despite having an utterly incompetent and corrupt government.

>> No.18163898

>>18163856
Not Canada. In fact we have 0 gold reserves thanks to Trudopehead.

>> No.18163930

>>18163877
they always have similar personality profiles.
>low self-esteem
>single parent home
>absent father
>mother with pronounced narcissist tendencies
>has not yet said out loud "i see why my father left my mother" but secretly understands it

>> No.18163943

>>18163898
This is worrisome.
In fact, this is pretty fucked up.

>> No.18163955

>>18163930
holy shit thats me. but ive said it and cut my mother off. also i dont like china. but otherwise THATS ME HOLY SHIT

>> No.18164032

>>18163898
>>18163943
Its funny cause in the past Canada had a lot of gold (relative to the countries population) around 1000 tons:
https://globalnews.ca/news/2508940/canada-sells-nearly-half-of-all-its-gold-reserves/

Instead Jewdeau just decides to self sabotage the whole country lmao

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>>18163715
>https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/info/gold-reserves-by-country/
holy fuck I just realized what the US did
>own superior continent across ocean free from war
>take America off gold standard to make immigration and basic life here more affordable
>countries get themselves indebted to America
>start fighting for dollars instead of gold
>stupid countries start selling gold reserves to fund dollar debt and vanity for royals
>meanwhile american government buys entire worlds gold reserves with brrrrred monopoly money

This is it Ameribros, we won.

>> No.18164060

>>18163739
Well, the problem is in this case the gold China has been buying is from the West because what they are accumulating is past what they can mine out, plus China does not have any reputable refineries. They also have to truthfully report their numbers if their plan is to work by tying everything back to gold with a new digital yuan and gain trust.

>> No.18164079

>>18163876
The bounty on Corona’s head?

2.2 Trillion Double Dollars

>> No.18164096
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>>18161470
>US defaults on its debt
>USA USA USA

>> No.18164125

>>18163955
>ive said it
good news. now the healing can begin.
its unfortunate but young children are soooooo programmed to love their mom they typically cant "see them" and thus it causes all sorts of mental problems.
it takes until a young man is early 20's usually until he suddenly sees "wow my dad was a normal dude who hooked up with this chic who is unhinged. imagine how much that must've sucked for him"

>> No.18164205

>when Ron Paul says it
Lmao stop being a fuddy duddy
>When trump does it
NONONONO NOT MY DOLLARS

>> No.18164238

>>18163557
eh chinas almost caught up. the us has no culture or propoganda machine thats trusted.

>> No.18164380

>>18164238
The fact retards talk so highly about China without ever having been there always cracks me up. China's army is shit compared to Americas.

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Yes I bet it will.

>> No.18164448

>>18164380
I really hope you're right because I hate the idea of a strong China. But everything recent i've heard about the US military makes me worry.
Not american btw, just an unwilling "ally" watching the empire he's subjected to destroy itself out of stupidity while barbarians gather at the gates.

>> No.18164475

>>18164448
Chinese power is about as real as their corona numbers.

>> No.18164505

>>18164238
Why don't they just invest in something more valuable than oil? Like shithouse power generation technology that has been obsolete since the 80s.

That will always be more valuable than gold or any digital currency

>> No.18164522

>>18163898
Your nigger country is up in every other country blasting the shit out of the environment to grab gold and dump a pile of tailings into the rivers so fuck off leafs

>> No.18164567

Classic empire collapse playbook.
>Overextended military
>Debase currency
>Consume beyond local means

The rich are going to take their plunder and just walk off to another country.
This is going to happen with a population of heavily armed and utterly delusional psychopaths.

>> No.18164647

>>18164475
Granted.
What about US power?

>> No.18164680

>>18164125
based.

>> No.18164695

Remind me, what was the dollar inflation after 2008? Oh like... nothing? Great job alarming everyone, OP.

>> No.18164711

>Listening to some dude that thinks magic internet shitcoins will change the world
Get your IQ tested bro.

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>>18164505
Shit-tier countries invest in ancient, soon-to-be obsolete quote-unquote "natural resources", basically like selling the furniture to pay the rent while advanced nations are investing in science

>> No.18164777

>>18161377
>contributor
into the trashcan it goes

>> No.18164787

>>18164777
despite the conclusion being right for this exceptional one.
forbes "contributor" articles have as much credibility as an OP on /biz/.

>> No.18164892

>>18161470
this better be a shitpost

>> No.18164903

>>18161470
>completely fuck every single holder of USD, including every american
so.. civil war?

Also, what happens to other currencies in this scenario

>> No.18164909

>>18164647
just google dude, you will probably be more afraid of usa afterwards

>> No.18165007

>>18163632
nice. imma be rich BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>> No.18165039

>>18164054
It'll probably be a national/global cryptodollar backed by precious metals. It's not to be trusted. Read Revelations.

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>>18163691
Being this new

>> No.18165094

>>18164567
Maloney said it was how REPUBLIC fell not roman empire. Are you low iq? Romans rekt whole Europe after abandining gold. And became an empire.

>> No.18165099

>>18163930
You forgot posts hate while women threads and cuck porn because they're a hapa

>> No.18165120

>>18164768
There are like 50 different countries involved in ITER, fuck I think even Brazil is a member.

>> No.18165331

>>18164567
>The rich are going to take their plunder and just walk off to another country.
I can see it from thousand miles away which country is the next they're going to plunder.

>> No.18165336

>>18165094
>800 foreign military bases
>not an empire

Its just amazing to be how blind Americans are.

>> No.18165365

>>18164787
and OP on /biz/ have as much credibility than the entire Forbes crew.

>> No.18165429

>>18165120
Brazil is a shit tier country mostly focused on exporting their raw natural products and agricultural products.
They sell some cars and home appliances to other latam countries, but most of their economy is basic extractivism. They just happen to have way too many natural resources, meat and crops to sell, so they are richer than most would expect.

>> No.18165443

test

>> No.18165502

>>18161470
As long as the world has people as dumb as you I feel safer gambling on the market

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>>18163691
i can see a scenario from the 60s playing out
>`we gots no gold'
>gold moons
>TreFedury links new dollar to gold for 5 minutes
>brrr new petrodollar, gold falls again
>Trumpfinger deal: youre debt free fresh start but youre using my money now

>> No.18165586

>>18163898
Justin is an idiot, they trained him wrong on purpose. As a joke.

>> No.18165654

>>18165331
Which country?

>> No.18165698

>>18164125
The healing can't begin until it's legal to discipline women. They need to get punched in the mouth or they will keep thinking they are god forever.
Just mentally envision western women as a bunch of prince joffreys. That is what is going on.

>> No.18165701

>>18161377
>he doesn’t know
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfx7PnMtCeY

>> No.18165711

>>18163588
This. We'd probably get attacked by multiple countries. Would hope they dont attack civilians but if they did I'd have to flee to another country

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>>18165502
You are the best indicator that I am right.

>> No.18165947

>>18165071
most of the gold held in the USA is not theirs

>> No.18165995

>>18165947
who's it it?

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>>18161377
Monday soon

>> No.18166304

>>18165947
It is not counted. Most countries keep gold in London and USA. Poland and Germany had massive reserves in London, and only moved it last year or so.

>> No.18166344

>>18165909
that image is giving me anxiety

fuck you

>> No.18166356

>>18165947

It can be and will be by the stroke of a pen...

>> No.18166378

>>18166304
>Most countries keep gold in London and USA
and if the shit really hits t fan, they think they're getting it back? Fuck you were at war golds mine

>> No.18166411

>>18166378
not that kind of war you retard, it's protection against civil war

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>>18163691
retard alert

>> No.18166477

>>18161377
ORANGE MAN BAD

>> No.18166525

>>18165947
Not you keys to the vault not your gold!

>> No.18166623

>>18161377
2 trillion does not stop the demand for dollars when you have 400 trillion worth of debt needed to be paid. The demand is MUCH higher

>> No.18166677

>>18166411
again
your country is in a shit state and needs loans we'll just keep your gold as insurance in case you default

>> No.18166711

>>18161393
>>18161393
>amposting
thanks for nothing faggit

>> No.18166725

>>18163557
I don't know why you retards keep thinking that the US military is anything but a giant flexing tool. We're never going to war with any developed nation for the rest of our lives until someone deploys a nuclear warhead. No other nation is stupid enough to actively go to war with us for any reason other than provoking us to send them money as a ransom to not go to war. No other country on this earth trains their military for engagements with the US other than China and Russia. If we were to go to war and force countries to adopt our dollar, they would treat us as tyrants almost instantly and nothing could be done to stop it. You think that bombing London will convince the people of the UK to suddenly start trading USD in order to not die? Of course not. The people would do everything in their power to simply not be bombed next while condemning the US with all of their hearts. So-on so-forth until every major country on the earth pretty much has uniform blockades on all US trade except for Canada and Mexico.

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>>18163691
they're going to need it

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>>18163557
>biggest war machine on earth
>still gets pushed into the sea by girls in wok hats
top lel

>> No.18166819

>>18166785

>10:1 KD ratio with over 1 million gooks dead
>"pushed into the sea"

Listen, the goal was to stem the spread of communism and make China/USSR drain resources into this one focal point and it worked. A 15 years long war that effectively stopped the spread right there. Geopolitics are very abstract and hard for the average cunt to understand.

>> No.18166833

>>18164238
>eh chinas almost caught up
Alright mother fucker, let me break it down for you. The US spends more on the military than the next top 10 countries combined. We have 11 aircraft carriers with enough firepower on them to blow any country on earth to high heaven. Aside from a single aircraft carrier owned by the French, we are the only one to have nuclear powered carriers. To put that into perspective, China has two active carriers, and one them was Soviet made. Neither of them are nuclear powered, and neither of them have superior launching capabilities that ours have. The US has nearly more military aircraft than China and Russia combined, with absolutely superior combat capabilities. Our soldiers in both the Army and Marine Corps have more advanced equipment than any other country on earth. Military training in the west is superior in every way to that of the training done in the east. We have a massive fleet of drones capable of destroying a target without even needing boots on the ground. As someone in the military that can confirm all of this, we would absolutely fucking stomp that communist piece of shit whinnie the poo looking mother fucker into an entirely different dimension. This goes without saying that every other western nation would also be on our side, so take the US military power and combine it with some of other most powerful, well equipped, and best trained military programs on earth and you have a force that could not only squeeze every last bit of life out of that dog shit communist shit hole, but could probably go to an alien planet and destroy their entire civilization.

>> No.18166834

>>18161470
>everyone switches to euro or chink dollar
>US sucks dick while dying from the plague alone and poor
Wew.

>> No.18166842

>>18166819
Amerimutt cope

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>>18166842

Communism unironically collapsed in 1989 and we've been the clear #1 ever since. What even are you on

>> No.18166858

>>18166819
>War is determined by K/D ratio
Supremely retarded

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>>18166858

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

>> No.18166892

>>18166855
Based retard education
1,000,000 deaths soon
Freedom or death

>> No.18166895

>>18166855
>Communism unironically collapsed in 1989

>> No.18166904

>>18161470
China BTFO

>> No.18166917

>>18166833
To add on to this, Americans are very strange when it comes to patriotism. We fight and bicker with each other when it comes to domestic issues, but once some foreign faggots try to fuck with us, we will do everything in our power to womp their petty asses into the mud. White, black, mexican, asian, it doesn't matter. Americans team up during times of war to create the most powerful force that has ever existed on this country. We're a nation that was built on nothing but blood and war, and have become the most powerful nation in the world in less than 250 years because of it. Guns, war, and violence rush through our fucking veins. We thrive on it. We want more of it. And we'll use it to snuff out some faggot mother fuckers when good people in this world need it most.

>> No.18166918

>>18166886
Yeah, my point exactly. Vietnam scored a victory for Communism in the Vietnam War, where they drove out an overwhelmingly superior military force simply through defiance and tenacity. The US did not win that war. It is literally a military strategic loss. If war was based on how many people you killed, you'd have a point, but that explicitly was the reason why the Vietnamese were so vehemently driven to wipe out US presence. Ho Chi Minh led his people to a victory against the US at massive expense.

>> No.18167007

>>18166918
It was an entirely fucked situation, and I agree. It was a strategic loss. However, we completely butt fucked those chinks while we were there, and were it not for politics at the time, we could have very easily destroyed their entire country. I know that most faggots love to talk about Vietnam as if some rice picking losers actually put a dent in the US military, but we pulled out. It was a sunken cost and we got the fuck out of there.

>> No.18167032

>>18163557
>biggest war machine on earth
>30 years and still get his soldiers blasted by some sandniggers with a tnt stick

>> No.18167081

>>18167007
You are wildly overselling the US's potency in this war. The Khmer Rouge and all of those other unsupported paramilitary groups put a massive death toll on their forces and the total end toll was almost even. The US didn't singularly go to war with the entirety of North Vietnam, they were fighting alongside South Vietnamese and Koreans against North Vietnam and China. And yet the toll wound up nearly even, while they were still losing ground and had hundreds of thousands of injured American soldiers brought home as amputees. If the war continued, the US death toll would continue to shoot up, and the only """gain""" would be obliterating a bunch of rice farmers at the expense of more than a hundred thousand American lives. Again, if war was based on k/d ratio, you'd be totally correct. The US had the best k/d in that war. But it's not, and the North Vietnamese took such a vicious chunk out of the South Vietnamese coalition through that war that it was clear that winning the war would be impossible without utterly unacceptable losses, and to the North Vietnamese, literally any count of losses would be considered acceptable.

>> No.18167113

>>18166819
>he still belives in domino theory
Lol, the dead American kids were for nothing. Communism wasn't going to spread and it didn't after the US was defeated proving it wouldn't.

>> No.18167140

>>18166858
it's priced in

>> No.18167148

>>18167081
Ya but honestly dude I don't really give a fuck about the vietnam war. Times have changed, we don't need to put soldiers in a country to fucking kill people anymore. We're an absolutely unstoppable force now, more than ever.

>> No.18167170

>>18166918

The goal was to stop the spread of communism. This was the turning point where communism stopped spreading throughout the world. Vietnam wasn't a war, it was a battle in a greater global war called the Cold War, which the US undeniably won. Vietnam is now a tourist destination for average Americans.

>> No.18167198

>>18167113

>was taking over country after country, especially in ASEAN
>momentum stopped considerably after this even

DURR MUH DOMINO THEORY. It wasn't a hidden secret that their goal was world communism, that was the goal since the Bolsheviks and is the very reason Hitler ever happened.

>> No.18167210

>>18166819
>muh k/d
>mug goals
Your spaghetti is missing blaming your politicians for not letting you win

Lost to rice farmers. HARD.

>> No.18167253

>>18161722
The Fed is being forced to buy treasuries at an unprecedented rate. Dept of Treasury who sets prices is run by Mnuchin, who is butt-buddies with Trump.

Most of this isn't Trump's fault, but the Fed has definitely become politically-motivated.

>> No.18167258

>>18167148
We're an unstoppable force that will never be put into a scenario where we'll need to be stopped. War games are all theoreticals. Trade wars and technological battles are 100% of inter-country engagements in the future. All of these planes are sitting in hangars waiting to be unleashed on countries that will never actively invite their doom, and will find political means to move around that. You can harp on about how our F-22's are the fastest and greatest aircraft on the planet, but if they never actually fight another aircraft that isn't just some sandnigger's biplane with a handgun strapped to the bottom, it's a multibillion dollar trophy. Military might in 2020 and forward is literally a tool solely meant to flex one's ability to produce arms for battle, and will never actually have merit until the first nuke drops, which will also never happen until some crackpot country decides it wants to end humanity as a collective.

>>18167170
It was in no way a turning point beyond addressing the focus that land wars are almost invariably useless (mostly because without imperialism, there is nothing to gain or prevent) and that the only way to actually pressure the USSR into conceding is via nuclear arms race, which the US won solely by economic factors. The US factually only """won""" the Cold War thanks to the fact that they were fighting a country that was still infrastructurally and economically recovering from wounds in WW2 in an ideological battle funneled by economics and infrastructure. The spread of Communism "ended" with the USSR capitulating, but the Cold War never officially ended, and several wars during the Cold War were simply left at ceasefires that are still active to this day.

>> No.18167300

>>18167258

>It was in no way a turning point beyond addressing the focus that land wars are almost invariably useless (mostly because without imperialism, there is nothing to gain or prevent) and that the only way to actually pressure the USSR into conceding is via nuclear arms race, which the US won solely by economic factors. The US factually only """won""" the Cold War thanks to the fact that they were fighting a country that was still infrastructurally and economically recovering from wounds in WW2 in an ideological battle funneled by economics and infrastructure. The spread of Communism "ended" with the USSR capitulating, but the Cold War never officially ended, and several wars during the Cold War were simply left at ceasefires that are still active to this day.

It was "yes way" a turning point. The problem is that successfully stopping a domino effect means that you're never able to prove that it ever existed. So small minded fags such as yourself are able to say there was never a problem, since the US succeeded in its concerted efforts to contain the growing spread of communism worldwide. And it was quite a concerted effort. South America, Asia, Africa, Europe, literally everywhere, tons of money and manpower poured into helicopter rides, CIA backed coups and nation building.

>> No.18167312

>>18167300
Did you not actually read my post beyond the first few words?

>> No.18167340

>>18167312

I'm not interested in your irrelevant deflection regarding the USSR's economic weakness. Ofc they were economically weak, their entire economic model was pants on head retarded and they experienced a slow burn to bankruptcy and capitulation. I don't deny American economic success powered their efforts to contain the spread of a hostile ideology worldwide. To deny the massive, concerted, ongoing effort by the United States to whack a mole communism worldwide is patently myopic. Do it if you feel like it I don't really care.

>> No.18167431

>>18167258
Without a large military force, your country is dog shit and people can push you around. We are actively using the US Navy to stop china from taking control of the ocean near south korea and japan. We are actively constructing new US Coast Guard ice breakers to control the arctic from the russians. Military force is used every fucking day and you have no idea. Look man, this is my job. I'm in this shit.

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>>18167340
>I'm not interested in your irrelevant deflection regarding the USSR's economic weakness. Ofc they were economically weak, their entire economic model was pants on head retarded and they experienced a slow burn to bankruptcy and capitulation.

> I don't deny American economic success powered their efforts to contain the spread of a hostile ideology worldwide.

I literally said explicitly this, and you are in vehement denial. Military moves did nothing. Vietnam meant nothing. The turning point was a purely economic one. The Cold War was a clash of political and economic ideologies, and Russia lost because they couldn't keep up. What the fuck are you even arguing?

>> No.18167450

ds

>> No.18167482

>>18167431
>Coast Guard
Navy O-3 here, I know exactly what I'm talking about. We're making moves and maneuvers here, but none of our movements are actively aggressive or with the intent to engage targets beyond the bare minimum. It is boundary-defining and pure linestepping. We make these claims, but the "force" is literally just playing chess with Russia. We are not going to engage them anytime soon, and after this particular crisis back home, we are absolutely not making any aggressive moves for years.

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>>18167441

>Military moves did nothing

In order to leverage your bountiful resources... and ensure that the enemy doesn't eventually make their way to your doorstep or starve you through global sanctions... you have to contain them at the point of a sword. And through espionage. Which is precisely what we did. Seriously, think a little bigger, that's what the politicians of that era did. Average citizen retards did not understand the implications of Vietnam at all.

In a globalized world, in a global war between two global superpowers, the entire battlefield is transformed. In a war, when you manage to pin your enemy down to a single front and drain them of men, time, and resources for years and years, to the point where they can't focus elsewhere, that's considered a strategic victory.

>> No.18167499

>>18167198
America was defeated but Communism didn't spread. We have a literal experiment that proves is wrong.

>> No.18167573

>>18167499

>>18167499

Did you think America's goal in this war was to capture a small slice of irrelevant coastal jungle? Really. This topic reveals the biggest disconnect between people who can think strategically and those who can only see the limited facts in front of them.

You probably think the United States "wastes" military money with global bases worldwide and constant navy patrols around the Chinese coast, don't you?

>> No.18167589

>>18167495
> you have to contain them at the point of a sword. And through espionage. Which is precisely what we did.
Espionage, yes. We found out exactly where Russia was weakest and attacked them there. Through their haphazard and hasty economy, we baited them into a war of economies, and they lost. Our massive military intervention did nothing to stem their fervor, and in fact Ho Chi Minh's leadership during the war served to viciously strengthen their passion towards Communist ideals for decades. The term "The pen is mightier than the sword" doesn't mean that you can write out wars, it means that piling bodies doesn't secure a victory the way that strategies and goals do. You could kill every single Vietnamese on the planet, North or South, and still have lost the war if Communism continued to spread, which it did.

>
In a globalized world, in a global war between two global superpowers, the entire battlefield is transformed. In a war, when you manage to pin your enemy down to a single front and drain them of men, time, and resources for years and years, to the point where they can't focus elsewhere, that's considered a strategic victory.
This is very nice poetic expression of the concept of a war, but you still seem to fail to realize that the obscene loss of life and resources in Vietnam was worthless for the Cold War efforts. I am telling you that you fail to understand why the US factually lost the Vietnam War and why we need to pay attention to these factors in the future. A war is defined by strategic objectives and goals, not how many peasants you kill in the process. A show of arms does not mean anything if you will never wind up using them. Having a nuclear stockpile strong enough to obliterate the solar system doesn't mean jack if you can't secure objectives in the process. Failing to understand this is why people who fellate the "power" of the US military do not understand why the US military is not relevant in international politics.

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>>18166833
not even a burger but that was beautiful anon

>> No.18167702

>>18166819
>10:1 KD
But that’s wrong you fucking retard.
If you take into account South Vietnam the kd ratio is far less impressive. Ultimately the U.S. lost 60,000 men, 10,000 aircraft and humiliated itself in the global stage. The damage it did to american reputation and the mental health of its combatants remains to this day.

And the goal was to prevent the communist takeover of Vietnam, a goal that was failed in spectacular fashion.

>> No.18167704

>>18166470
The crosswalk one pisses me off.
A few times you come across one where literally none of the squares are crosswalk - it's either a shoulder like this pic, or it's the rumble strips next to a roadway, or no parking zones... and the thing won't let you skip.
I get that they're farming us for intel to train AI. Great, I hope self-driving cars of the future know what a fucking crosswalk is so my kids don't get hit while crossing the street. But at least give me a chance to say "none of the above" when there's no crosswalks in the picture.

>> No.18167753

>>18167482
>We are not going to engage them anytime soon
Obviously, but without that boundary-defining and pure line stepping these fuckers would be stepping out of line. You and I both know it's extremely important. I'll probably be stationed on the new icebreakers, and as you know since your Navy, you do like 10 drills a week at least. Half of them are drills simulating the russians attacking. Of course we're not just going to blow some random ruski out of the water, but we're ready to at any time. It's a deterrent, and a damn important one.

>> No.18167764

>>18167589
>Espionage, yes. We found out exactly where Russia was weakest and attacked them there. Through their haphazard and hasty economy, we baited them into a war of economies, and they lost. Our massive military intervention did nothing to stem their fervor, and in fact Ho Chi Minh's leadership during the war served to viciously strengthen their passion towards Communist ideals for decades. The term "The pen is mightier than the sword" doesn't mean that you can write out wars, it means that piling bodies doesn't secure a victory the way that strategies and goals do. You could kill every single Vietnamese on the planet, North or South, and still have lost the war if Communism continued to spread, which it did.

Yeah, our 15 year war which saw 1.5 million Vietnamese people die and saw trillions in todays dollars get poured into it, by the USSR and China alike, "did nothing" in the end, and the source is you, Doctor Anon, who has jack shit to prove that unfalsifiable theory since the war did in fact happen, with the intention of slowing the accelerating growth of global communism. The worst part about this is that you're spamming walls of self fellating text actually and dogmatically ascribing to this 80 IQ tier idea. Let me post this a few hundred more times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

This is an ANCIENT CONCEPT. PEOPLE WITHOUT TOILET PAPER AND RUNNING WATER UNDERSTOOD THIS. In business terms, the United States, i.e. the CIA, did a risk analysis on the situation in Vietnam and decided to devote a considerable amount of time and resources in diverting communist attention to this one single, irrelevant, playground of a battlefield and it all panned out.

>> No.18167795

>>18167702

>And the goal was to prevent the communist takeover of Vietnam, a goal that was failed in spectacular fashion.

No, I don't think it was. I don't think an American government engaged in global proxy warfare thought that particular, shithole of a backwater was strategically important for its land, people, or resources. They picked their battlefield.

>> No.18167826

>>18167764
>saw trillions in todays dollars get poured into it, by the USSR and China alike
Citation needed

>> No.18167862

>>18167704
How much of AI is going to be the product of shitposting NEETs?

>> No.18167878

>>18167795
>No, I don't think it was.
It doesn’t matter what you think it was, you can try to deny historical facts all you want, but it’s evident you’re completely clueless about the political and military situation of the time.

>> No.18167900

>>18164909
The US army is a paper tiger. Over-hyped and impotent.

>> No.18167918

>>18167878

>communist uprising start accelerating in Southeast Asia and South America
>America enters the Vietnam conflict and goes all in with the intention of slowing that ascent and diverting communist attention and resources
>they divert communist attention and resources
>rise of global communism effectively slows down and stops by the end of the 70's
>USSR goes bankrupt in Afghanistan thereafter

Yeah dude, I'm totally lacking in evidence and your assertion that it did nothing, based off of nothing, is rock solid. Good job champ. An upvote for you, America bad and dumb

>> No.18167922

>>18166833
based and muttpilled

>> No.18167957

>>18167764
https://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/vietnamwar/section10/
https://www.ushistory.org/us/59e.asp

I have access to greater pools of research that point out that land wars did nothing to stem the tide of Communism in any way in history than you will ever find. The concept of a Pyrrhic victory also seems lost on you, considering the US-Vietnam War was explicitly a pyrrhic victory for the state of North Vietnam and the new Socialist Republic of Vietnam was formed as a result. In literally every single way, the Vietnam War was a loss for the US. The concept of it being a victory in any way for the US is mania at its best, and the closest you can argue is that tons of money was funneled into it and that contributed somewhat to the collapse of the USSR. But that remains ignorant to the exorbitantly higher costs associated with construction of nuclear facilities and the production of nuclear arms, which is literally the thing that brought the USSR to its knees. You are horribly overvaluing the cost of function in this war to the global Cold War effort, and I'm earnestly saying that you need to read up to understand what you're talking about. Repeating the same points with zero information beyond your personal emotional output does not make you any more correct.

>> No.18167980

>>18167900
Compared to what?

>> No.18167998

>>18167957

>sparknotes
>"A 12 year old's guide to the Vietnam War"
>again repeating a baseless assertion that the most significant conflict of the 60's and 70's "did nothing" in a geopolitical sense without any evidence

Literally kys. You probably enjoy the smell of your own farts too.

>> No.18168018

>>18167918
You literally have no evidence to show the Vietnam War was a decisive cause of the collapse of the USSR, because it wasn’t. Literally no historian has ever claimed something so stupid as that.

>> No.18168032

>>18167980
a couple of ragheads in some caves > the entire USA military

>> No.18168045

>>18163327
No one "trusted" it to begin with.

>> No.18168057

>>18164777
THis

>> No.18168062

>>18168032
Partisants are present in every war and they control nothing. US army came and took over government and all other places of power.
You kids watch too much tv.

>> No.18168063

>>18168018

What is your evidence that the same thing would have happened, had this major thing not happened, that was done with the intent of not having that thing happen? Do you understand the concept of non-falsifiability? Your foundation is far weaker than mine, even if my justification is abstract, because you're presupposing the exact same sequence of events. It's like saying 9/11 would have still happened had the US never meddled in the Middle East.

>> No.18168095

>>18168062
fact still stands a couple ragheads > entire US military

>> No.18168125

>>18167998
Do you have a single source to back up any of your claims? I provided two websites, I can provide plenty more.

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-history
https://www.cvce.eu/en/education/unit-content/-/unit/55c09dcc-a9f2-45e9-b240-eaef64452cae/5ad21c97-4435-4fd0-89ff-b6bddf117bf4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_arms_race
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sovietcollapse.htm

I literally could pull up any number of documents that prove that the Vietnam War did nothing but drain US resources and assist the spread of Communism in South Asia, as well as the fact that the entire war effort was determined by an economic body blow. You literally have not provided a single source to the contrary. You can keep calling all of these documents fake all you want, it doesn't make you any more correct.

>> No.18168136

>>18168063
My claim was that the U.S. failed to protect South Vietnam, a key geopolitical ally in the region, and failed to prevent the communist takeover of Vietnam. That claim is unquestionably true, South Vietnam doesn’t exist anymore and the whole country is ruled by the Communist Party to this day. You can cope all you want around this fact, it changes nothing.

>> No.18168160

>mutts fuck the world with a literal scam
>they actually think anyone will trust them again
>when trust right now is all time low
Please do, so we can finally isolate you from the world and watch streaming of you low IQ chimps starving inna street

>> No.18168193

If the trolley dilemma was about murdering every single mutt or save them, I'd choose murder. Shame the trolley would stop at the first mutt because they're also the fat man dilemma.

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Amazing how americans are so sure of their invincibility that even being reminded they lost a war causes so much cognitive dissonance that it even causes them to deny reality.

>> No.18168206

>>18168095
Nazis had problem with partisans.
Commies had problem witb partisans.
Every army ever had this problem.
You can't stop them no matter what.
Read history books from time to time.

>> No.18168207

>>18166855
>he saved it
:3c

>> No.18168214

>>18161470

So if I hold USD at the fork I don’t get VUSD?

>> No.18168215

>>18161377
New dollar will be old dollar minus 30%. Get a brain.

>> No.18168224

>>18168206
>nazis
not the modern US military
>commies
not the modern US military
>every army
Only one is part of the US military

ragheads and gooks in caves > US military

>> No.18168229

>>18168136

South Vietnam wasn't a "key ally", lmao, they were powerless and feckless as fuck and literally just cannon fodder for our international war games. Make no mistake, if you consider the planet the whole battlefield for the Cold War, Vietnam was merely an Antietam or Verdun. The implications were quite abstract.

And lmao at you claiming the modern state of Vietnam is in any way "communist", that's in name alone. They're de facto a US ally at this point.

>>18168125

No you're not, you're just spamming a lot of blog tier articles regarding the entire cold war. What does this have to do with what I specifically said?

> The primary evidence for the domino theory is the spread of communist rule in three Southeast Asian countries in 1975, following the communist takeover of Vietnam: South Vietnam (by the Viet Cong), Laos (by the Pathet Lao), and Cambodia (by the Khmer Rouge). It can further be argued that before they finished taking Vietnam prior to the 1950s, the communist campaigns did not succeed in Southeast Asia. Note the Malayan Emergency, the Hukbalahap Rebellion in the Philippines, and the increasing involvement with Communists by Sukarno of Indonesia from the late 1950s until he was deposed in 1967. All of these were unsuccessful Communist attempts to take over Southeast Asian countries which stalled when communist forces were still focused in Vietnam.

You have cause and effect right in front of your fucking face. The global communist threat was effectively cancelled after 1975.

>> No.18168234

>>18168214
If you hold USD you won't get COVID-19.

>> No.18168272

>>18168195
Blame it on our education. We are raised to think purely in numbers and not actually take the time to mentally ponder concepts. When we're taught about wars in schools, we're uniformly told the same propaganda concepts that help us identify "Good Guy", "Bad Guy", and "How many died?" and nothing else. When we have issues occur like everything that happened during several of our respective wars, a hasty answer is formed simply to help fit back into the "Good Guy", "Bad Guy", "How many died" mold so that, again, everything is a game of numbers. Our concepts of education are based in numbers. Our concepts of culture is based in numbers. We place dollar signs and economic values on anything that isn't a piece of art, and every art piece we praise come on a conveyor belt. Ankgor Wat isn't shown in any textbook short of University-level architecture and foreign language studies books. But you can sure bet you'll see the Eiffel Tower in every single book ever, because you can quantify it in simple numbers and values.

I joined the military to do my time, get as many promotions and medals as I can, and then cash out with my paid-for education and my nonexistent residency bills. But I can guarantee once I'm a vet, I'm leaving the country immediately. "Home" is no longer home for me.

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>>18168195

>hahaha how can le #1 superpower for 60 years who skullfucked their major global rival in the USSR be so le self confident and cocky?? How delusional, upvotes to the left please

>> No.18168347

>>18168229
South Vietnam was a key ally in the region due the geopolitical implications of losing it, you brainlet.

>b-but they are not really communists!
Imagine being this fucking retarded. The fact that the Communist Party of Vietnam implemented market reforms is utterly irrelevant to analyze the outcome of the war or the geopolitical implications of a communist-led country. And Vietnam is as much an ”ally” as Mao was an U.S. ally during the Nixon era. But make no mistake about it, Vietnam has a political system far from what the west wishes it had.

>> No.18168589

Stupid people must exist for the smart to thrive.

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>>18168214
Sorry, that would be fair to bag holder and no scammer would like that. Buy new$ tho.

>> No.18168763

>>18163632
Imperial

>> No.18168779

>>18163588
>implying China and other would just sit to watch
They would. It's part of the reason they've been buying gold, they assume this is gonna happen.

>> No.18168781

>>18166917
>never fought a war with external enemy on its own soil
>never had a large scale one-on-one military conflict with a major power
>got whooped by rice farmers and its epic war toys broken by balkan slavshits
>only ever engages dysfunctional wartorn third world shitholes that have nothing but sand
>HURR DURR GUNS AND WAR IN MUH VEINS HELL YEAH
Imagine unironically thinking American success on the world stage is at all militaristic in nature. Imagine actually believing American military is anything but a measly appendage of a giant financial moloch, a money funnel and a power projection tool. Imagine thinking that banding together in times of war is some unique and novel quality of Americans. Imagine constantly expressing yourself in cringe inducing cookie-cutter buzzphrases befitting an extra in a low-budget '80s war movie.

It's understandable that you got an IQ double whammy seeing as you're both American and in the military, but come on, my man.

>> No.18168863

>>18161470
>>18161377
>implying we won't just beat them up and take their USDs
Chinks eat dogs bro.

>> No.18169195

>>18168863
China could kamikaze USA by just sending 1/4 of their 1500 million people armed with knifes and still win.

>> No.18169368

>>18168781
Don’t debase your argument. Other countries are there too dumbfuck.

>> No.18169468

>>18161470
so US is exit scamming?

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>>18163632

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>>18169468
Yes, China can't even sell their USD, no one is buying right now. Economy stopped and they are stuck with bags full of $$$.
Dollar in trade works like arcade token, no matter how rich you are you can't play without tokens.
Tokens change, you can't use them, can't return them, can't sell.

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>>18166819

>> No.18169943

>>18168781
>Imagine constantly expressing yourself in cringe inducing cookie-cutter buzzphrases befitting an extra in a low-budget '80s war movie.

It's so funny when mutts do this.

also he's under the delusion that mutts "band together" or some shit. In reality if China or Russia were invading the US, they would offer benefits or land grants to the non-white minorities, who would snap up those offers quicker than a martsharter in the toilet paper aisle.

>> No.18169970

>>18161470
If they aren't exchangable with old dollars, what happens to literally every bagholding US citizen? Are they just gonna print UBI?

>> No.18170005

>>18163327
If the Saudis say the new dollar is the petrodollar then tough shit.

>> No.18170064

>>18166819
Wait until you see the kill death ratio of Germans to Americans, French, Anglos, and Russians lol.
Everyone of my ancestors that fought in WW1 and WW2 survived and yet still became occupied by the US, England, and Russia.
As other anons have stated, war is not a kill death ratio.

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Left the thread a couple of hours ago but I'm going to take a big guess: a bunch of salty puppet state Eurofags flooded in circlejerking about how DAE the USA is totally actually weak and useless on the global stage while ignoring the fact that they are daddy and have been for nearly a century now

>> No.18170108

>>18163557
>biggest war machine
>cannot even prevent corona infections in their own army that managed to infect polish army too

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>>18170064

Not every war is a land grab, Eurofriend. Your stupid country tried to conquer and keep a whole continent and started a 4 front war. And then got promptly invaded and conquered itself. Don't really think it's transitive.

>> No.18170133

>>18161470
lol this is what soviets thought in the 80's

>> No.18170221

>>18170067
>how DAE the USA
what is this faggotspeak

>> No.18170234

>>18170005
> Why did Russian Federation sell all it's holdings in Venezuela?
> Why did burgers put 15M bounty on Maduro?
> Who got a fuckton of state contracts after the takeover in Chile.
Things are not looking good for burgers

>> No.18170242

>>18170067
>US empire takes biggest hit in history by small boi called COVID
hmm....

>> No.18170246

>>18170221

You tell me redditor. "USA military bad" is the redditest, most CNN brainlet opinion possible.

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>>18170242

>this fag thinks the US isn't going to make out like bandits while the rest of the world suffers harder similar to WW2

Europe is doing way worse per capita atm. And their economies were already on the ropes... goodbye Italy as we know it. Goodbye EU. Hello 5 year long recession.

>> No.18170602

>>18170246
redditors worship the US retard

>> No.18170630

>>18170602

Fuck no. It's all "muh capitalists bad", "muh American healthcare bad", "muh American military bad", "muh Europe good." It's a bunch of Europeans and European fellating American libfags as well as Chinese state funded FUD.

>> No.18170711

>>18164032
Selling in 2016? Someone needs to make a pink Jewdeau for selling at the bottom.

>> No.18170852

>>18170630
you sure know a lot about reddit and use a lot of redditspeak for someone who hates it

>> No.18170878

>>18170852

Admittedly, some of their subs like r/wallstreetbets and r/realestateinvesting are actually fun and useful, moreso than here, but make one stop over at the front page and it's endless cancer

>> No.18170954

>>18169970
No true US citizen is holding dollars. We have our wealth in assets and our accounts in debt, with maybe 400 bucks on hand at any one time.

>> No.18171417

>>18161377
Marx said capitalism would inevitably fail and be replaced with something better, not socialism/communism though

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>>18161470
base an redbill broder :DDD

>> No.18172174

>>18169943
You guys are so obsessed with America that you fight amongst yourselves. Hilarious.

>> No.18172207

>>18161377
They've effectively nationalized all businesses in the US. We are a communist country now.

>> No.18172254

>>18166833
Based.

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>>18161470
>Explenation
>Brainlets
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

>> No.18173536

>>18165514
>only 5 minutes to buy a house
challenge accepted

>> No.18173724

>>18172278
Those kids are Russian

>> No.18173872

>>18172278
those kids are chinese

>> No.18173916

>>18163588
What the fuck do you think China could do about it you clueless fucking moron?

>> No.18173939

>>18164238
The only nation that would have a chance against the US in all out war is Russia, and even then it would be a longshot.

>> No.18174062

>>18163739
>China has been buying all the gold it can for decades.
China collected gold for centuries.
Then Japan stole it in WWII.
Then the U.S. took it home from Japan after the nukes.
You have no clue how much gold the U.S. is sitting on. Nobody does. They took Nazi gold home with them too.
So, whatever the Chinese have been buying, it wasn't much unless either the U.S. or the Vatican sold it to them.

>> No.18174148

>>18165947
Aaaah, kiddo. You have so much to learn.

>> No.18174222

>>18166725
Of course it doens't work that way fucktard. You think we've been sitting on top for the greatest century of human history becuase we're fucking idiots?
It gets handled at trade summits.

>> No.18174289

>>18167170
This. Vietnam was a battle in the Cold War, which the U.S. won.

>> No.18174318

>>18167258
>and will never actually have merit until the first nuke drops
Not true. The U.S. can use the military to do simple little things like sieze the Suez Canal, or the Panama Canal. Nobody can stop them. Nobody has to go to war, and the U.S. is in complete control of global trade.

>> No.18174479

>>18169195
>China could kamikaze USA by just sending 1/4 of their 1500 million people armed with knifes and still win.
How are they going to get their troops here? Didn't you read that part about the differences between teh U.S. Navy and any other naval force in the world?
We dont' worry at all about a land battle with a foreign invader. Particularly China. They'd have to fly their army over here on Delta.

>> No.18174494

>>18169195
Holy kek, China shills have to be the biggest brainlets on /biz/. The country has literally never won a single fight against outsiders and barely any military experience against outsiders.

>> No.18174537

>>18169970
>what happens to literally every bagholding US citizen? Are they just gonna print UBI
They get a MAGA hat and a fuck off

>> No.18174559

>>18163955
same bro, it hurts to realize how much she fucked me up, and how long it took to reconnect with my dad and truly understand him. love my mom in my own way but holy fuck she is/was a lazy, entitled, whiny, fat, narcissist. she projected all that shit onto me and it fucked me up real good. i'm in my 30s and still dealing with the mental problems it created for me.

>> No.18174599

> Forbes
Honestly dude go fucking kill yourself, your gene pool is not allowed to multiply

>> No.18174799

>>18169195
they'd need a blue water navy that can take out the us navy and cross the pacific to do that

>> No.18175680

Same is happening with the Euro. The spend it al 9 are pushing euro bonds, which means the first step to a fiscal union. The New Hanseatic lague is firmly against this which threatens the entire union lel

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>>18163632

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>>18175821

>> No.18175888

>>18175834
>In god we trust
not
>E pluribus Unum

Pathetic

>> No.18175892

>>18165120
ITER is also like 20 years late to the party. The EU bungled the project so bad they inadvertently sparked a renaissance in fusion technology projects in North America.

>> No.18175934

>>18163291
A quick image search on google brings up no results.

>> No.18175963

>>18175892
>The EU bungled the project so bad they inadvertently sparked a renaissance in fusion technology projects in North America.
It was never under leadership of the EU and the project has been making great strides with the new director. There are no fusion projects of relevance to speak off in the US atm.

>> No.18175997

>>18175963
Dense plasma focus, the Navy's Polywell project, and General Fusion up in Canuckistan are all interesting fusion projects, don't meme. ITER's big benefit is that it's pretty much guaranteed to work, but it's still a decade late just from the siting debacle in the early 2000s.

>> No.18176014

>>18161470
would be pretty based to be honest. fuck china. anything we can do to fuck those pieces of shit over is A+ in my book

FUCK CHINA

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>>18175934
Itll look something like this

>> No.18176126

>>18175997
>Dense plasma focus
meh baby shoes
>Polywell project
Proven not viable
>General Fusion
No proof of concept nor any scale; at best is ITER in the 90's

>ITER's big benefit is that it's pretty much guaranteed to work
Work what? ITER is a proof of concept not an actual powerplant. It will never generate electricity. That is DEMO's job, but that is still 50 years off.

>> No.18176159

>>18161377

>> No.18176171

>>18176126
Thats what I'm saying, ITER is pretty much guaranteed to be a successful proof of concept, you nonce. And I didn't realize Polywell had been proven non-viable this past year. General Fusion has a proof of concept device that generates neutrons, but it's weenie.

>> No.18176219

>>18176171
>Thats what I'm saying, ITER is pretty much guaranteed to be a successful proof of concept,
You never said this, but whatever, point still stands that the US is not taking Fusion seriously, they even opted out in 2000 and then rejoined in 2006. This is a bad thing, considering it is the key to the future. No not "just 10 years off", probably a 100.

>> No.18176257

>>18175888
Pyramid god will be struck down.

>> No.18176276

>>18161470
>this is your brain on /pol/

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