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Corona deaths in USA doubled in 1 day. Updated 3 minutes ago

>> No.18154290

Now for your homework: how many days can we keep this up?

>> No.18154302

>>18154279
>the rate of testing has gone GEOMETRIC

>> No.18154310

>>18154279
How many die annually from flu?

>> No.18154314

>>18154279
Tomorrow = 4000

>> No.18154338

>>18154279
if you get more than mild symptoms you're mutt gene not white
cmon ppl use your brain the virus is to stay on living human not dead human. it's not intended to kill the host. Even with 400 mutations I give a fuck because we're years well fed and nutritioned not like 3rd world weaklings

>> No.18154341

not exactly; but the deaths per day did a x10 during the course of the week, which is pretty amazing on its own

>> No.18154345

United States Death Clock

https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states

>> No.18154357

>>18154310
who cares about the flu idiot

>> No.18154377
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>>18154314
america has 28.3 days left. enjoy

>> No.18154394

>>18154310
According to the CDC between 12000 to 61000 depending on the year. COVID-19 was expected to reach 500000 but now scientists say it could be lower.

>> No.18154408

>>18154310
actually less. Corona has surpassed tuberculosis as the deadliest disease (by deaths per day) this week and right now kills more people than pneumonia and flu combined - amazing stuff isn't it? and shit doesn't end here ... if death rate grows by another 30% (aka give if 3-4 more days) it will overtake cardio vascular and diabetese as world's #1 cause of death... not even kidding (source is WHO btw.)

>> No.18154416

>>18154377
bzzt

You're counting from the first death.

>> No.18154420

>>18154279
ITS JUST A FLU DEMOCRAT HOAX
STOP MAKING MY ORANGE DADDY LOOK BAD LIBTARD

>> No.18154431

>chinked

>> No.18154438

Does anyone personally know someone who has it?

>> No.18154439
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>>18154416
ye i also didn't account for the fact that there can't be 327 million deaths on the last day, so that's too 1 day minus.

28 - 11 - 1
16 days it is

>> No.18154459

>>18154438
Not a single person. But apparently that will change in 2 weeks.

>> No.18154462

>>18154438
0.03% of americans are diagnosed with it currently

3 out of every 10,000 people

>> No.18154492

>>18154438
I know 3

>> No.18154525

>>18154438
No, but I do know a guy with cancer who's left to die because the hospitals in my country are overwhelmed

>> No.18154688

>>18154438
I probably had it, but I didn't bother testing because I'm not a boomer

>> No.18154724

>>18154302
Deaths, you retard. Unless you think literally tens of thousands are already dead and we're just finding out about it.

>> No.18154742

Does anyone here know anyone with corona yet? At some point surely someone here will directly know someone who has it

>> No.18154754

>>18154742
nvm someone already axed

>> No.18154803

U.S. will have more than Italy by this time next week

Have fun with your jewed, corporate health care cucks

>> No.18154860

>>18154279
1000 deaths in SINGLE DAY ?? HOLY FUCK!! IT'S HAPPENING IT'S REAL

>> No.18154876

>>18154860
there will be so much s o ylent green when this is over

>> No.18154944

>>18154438
Doc said my symptoms all line up with the chink flu but won’t test me. That was 2 weeks ago. Now I’m getting body aches, difficulty breathing and headaches. RIP me.

>> No.18154962

>>18154742
I know a girl who knows a girl who knows a guy who has it.

>> No.18154970

>>18154944
Convert to Islam and go pray at your local mosque

>> No.18154974

>>18154962
my sympathies

>> No.18154996

>>18154860
about 150.000 people die each day (mostly third world btw), Corona rn contributes about 3500 (all of them in ICU for a considerable amount of time AND almost exclusivley in western hemissphere). If you fail to see, how this already (!) is a serious problem, you're a retard

>> No.18155087

my friend has it and the lady at the grocery store wheezed like she had it. Got my beer still.

>> No.18155153

>>18154438
I have a friend who's a nurse and she's treating patients diagnosed with covid

>> No.18155173

LOL people not realizing this isn't even the beginning yet. The US is FUCKED and will probably collapse from this.

>> No.18155175

>>18154408
Too bad seasons almost over

>> No.18155183

>>18154279
big whoop
these numbers don't mean much because we have limited data samples of the actual numbers.

other typical annual causes of death. numbers prob way higher

>> No.18155202

>>18154996
IT'S GOING EXPONENTIAL FROM HERE 2K TOMORROW 10K ON TUESDAY 100K ON FRIDAY FUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK

>> No.18155215

>>18155202
doubtful

>> No.18155234

>>18155215
1 MILLION DEAD PER DAY BY NEXT WEEK THEN 10 MIILION PER DAY

THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM

>> No.18155258

>>18155234
>things that won't happen

>> No.18155287

>>18155258
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.18155372

>>18155258
10k next friday is actually very plausible

>> No.18155395

>>18155372
proofs?

>> No.18155399

>>18155395
>what is exponential growth

>> No.18155621

>>18155395
>can you prove that this random event will have this predetermined outcome?
retard

>> No.18155700

>>18154310
You know we have to deal with this in addition to those deaths, not comparatively. People are still getting sick and hurt on a daily basis. So on top of what we're dealing with we also have to deal with this increase.

>> No.18155738

>>18155621
so, no proofs. just hysterical screeching

>> No.18155751

>>18155399
whatever, it dont mean it goes on climbing indefinitely

>> No.18155780
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>>18154408

So basically it's a flu?

Considering 65,000 Americans have died since October 1st 2019 until now from regular flu, and there's barely 2,000 deaths to Gook bat flu, I conclude you're a fucking retard.

Not only that, but because testing is so poor, the rate of infections is at LEAST 10x higher than the confirmed count right now, which also means it's 10x LESS LETHAL.

Take your faggot gold bars and shove them up your ass Boomer.

>> No.18155792

>>18154438

Zero, haven't even heard of any of my hundreds of clients who know anyone affected.

It's the lamest pandemic I've ever lived through. At least ebola kills people.

>> No.18155847

>>18155792
virus hoax starter pack
http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf
http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf
http://www.whale.to/a/infectious_scares.html
https://youtu.be/3cnlynJZLtM
https://vexmansthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/bc3a9champ-or-pasteur-a-lost-chapter-in-history-of-biology.pdf

>> No.18155911

>>18155780
good satire post!

2000 per DAY and it has only really started 2 weeks ago in the usa. if 2000 people died from the flu every single day you'd be at more than 350k deaths already

>> No.18155920

>>18155847

Yeah, nah, cunt. I've received a basic college degree in science so that quack-medicine, loon bullshit is not something that is remotely digestible.

>> No.18155952

>>18155847
That water filter snake oil shit plug at the end killed me.
I hope you are joking or the virus will get you

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>>18155911

>2000 per DAY

Are you retarded?

It's 2,100 deaths total, and this thing has been going on since January, or sooner, undetected.

Live stats:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Consider yourself educated, now head on back to /pol/ to talk about Black cocks, or whatever it is you do over there.

>> No.18155994

>>18155738
Just basic observation of what has been happening in Europe.
Wait and see. And don't be foolish, assume the worst and prepare for it.

>> No.18156058

Once this is over, all these doomsday cultists should be rounded up and put into labor camps to pay off some of the damage they’ve done.

>> No.18156091

>>18154525
There's no cure for cancer anyway. Treatment makes you live a little bit longer with tons of side effects.

>> No.18156122

>>18156091
There is, depending of the cancer.

>> No.18156149

>>18155994
>don't be foolish, assume the worst and prepare for it
i have, the best i can i suppose.i was already stocked up on most things before this shits started so i haven't needed to go to the store much. though i have gone a couple of times.
but doing what i can by keeping my distance from others as much as possible, washing hands all the time, all that
staying at home by myself accept for going to work and back

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>>18154279
It won't stop until 6 gorillion deaths.

>> No.18156176 [DELETED] 

>>18154279
how many of you burgers laughed at italian deaths? Enjoy

>> No.18156223

>>18155780
>>18155956
>>18154279
>>18154310
>muh flu deaths

the flu doesn't send everyone into the ICU all at once for weeks at a time. The real danger isn't the deaths it's the fact that it has landed perfectly healthy people into intensive case - let alone all the asthmatic diebetic fatties that make up 40 % of the US population.

Yall got 150 million ICU beds and ventilators laying around and ready to go?

>> No.18156290

daily reminder
>The average age of Italian patients who have died after testing positive for the virus was 78, the country's Health Institute said Friday.
Galli said that until now, Italy's public healthcare system was able to keep a lot of elderly people with pre-existing medical conditions alive.
But these patients were in "a really fragile situation that can be broken by a virus like coronavirus," he added.

>> No.18156312

>>18154438
1 who says they have it but I'm 99% sure shes faking for attention

>> No.18156343

>>18156223
We're fucked. The federal government sent broken ventilators to California. The state had to send them to a factory to get fixed. Thank god I don't live near any of the hot spots, but holy fuck are we doomed. Especially now that New Yorkers are fleeing the state and spreading the infection along the east coast.

>> No.18156348

>>18155173
It won't collapse but china's economy is DEFINITELY going to pass Americas this year or early next year

>> No.18156353

Boomers are dying and I'm happy :)

>> No.18156373

>>18156091
are you from 100 years ago? there's tons of treatable cancers in 2020

>> No.18156398

>>18156290
>people with pre-existing medical conditions
>But these patients were in "a really fragile situation that can be broken by a virus like coronavirus," he added.

Can you think of at least one serious medical condition that is rampant in America? I know I can.

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>>18155780
>So basically it's a flu?
Probably(?). But the concern is that since we've never had it before, everyone will get it all at the same time, and tons of old/sick people will clog up all the hospitals. Normally the flu is just kind of going around in the population. This just got introduced to the population. Over time it will probably just turn into another flu-like strain.
Pic related is how I imagine it, but with a much bigger overshoot, and V2 being the normal levels we'll see in a number of years.

Also, google says about 7.8k Americans die every day normally. So, if around 7k Americans start dying of C-chan in the coming days, she's doubled the death rate for those days.
The total deaths in the US for 2018 was about 2.84 million. We might see an increase this year and a decrease the next year.

You can read more about 2018 US deaths here:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm

>> No.18156426

>>18156343
my brother is in rural carolina. they have one case in their remote town: a new york jew who fled before the shelter in place order. Who knows how many he infected on his drive down.

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>>18156343
>Especially now that New Yorkers are fleeing the state and spreading the infection along the east coast.
You already had out-of-state people swapping spit in Florida and all the rich kids on European vacations during spring break that later moved back home all over the country.

>> No.18156457

>>18155258
BILLIONS WILL DIE DAILY IN AMERICA ALONE

TRILLIONS WORLDWIDE

THE SURVIVORS WILL HAVE TO REBUILD CIVILIZATION

>> No.18156470

>>18156426
Name or don't believe

>> No.18156471

>>18156457
That would be cool

>> No.18156472

i know that none of you idiots take me seriously, but if you want to make money in the long run, you need to be an optimist and just buy the dips, regardless of the news.

>> No.18156488

>>18156470
i don't give a shit nigger. not giving identifying info on 4chan of all places.

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USA #1 BITCH

>> No.18156519
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>>18156426
OH YA OK JEWS ARE BEHIND THIS LOL
YA OK
SHART

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>>18154860
7600 people die in the USA every day.
1000/Day from just Corona-chan is a big deal.

>> No.18156567

>>18156149
Good luck, friend.

>> No.18156571
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18156571

Tell me why

I don’t like Mondays

>> No.18156583

bullish for $ncov coronacoin

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>>18156223
>everyone

Only fat fucks and boomers die to pneumonia.

COVID doesn't kill, but causes a penumonia infection that kills off people with poor cardiovascular systems and the old with no immune response.

I know you're American because you're scientifically illiterate.

>> No.18157236

>>18155780
>65,000 Americans have died since October 1st 2019 until now from regular flu
sauce

>> No.18157268

>>18156623
>Only fat fucks and boomers die to pneumonia.
so only 84% of the country then

>> No.18157310

>>18154438
I know 3 actually. One got it and died, she was 92 though. One was in their 60's she barely showed symptoms and is completely fine, and the last is in their 60's as well. He collapsed at his home and is at the hospital now.

>> No.18157441

>>18154310
it's like people can't do simple math.
flu:
flu mortality rate: 0.1% - 0.2%
so find out how many people die from the flu and times it by 8.35....or go by global rates
just googled it
308222 deaths
6663828 cases
4.64% mortality rate
(or 23.2x that of the flu)

>> No.18157478

>>18154438
yeah my old fishing buddy has it and his dad died from it.

>> No.18157504

>>18157441
https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/
That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.

79400 deaths / 48.8million cases = 0.16% mortality rate
if covid infected the same amount of people (4.64% mortality rate) = 2,264,320 deaths

>> No.18157667

>>18154438
I know 2, one refuses to get tested the other refused a test

>> No.18157679

>>18157667
*was refused a test

it will probably go away in spring

>> No.18157682

>>18154279
Bullish

>> No.18157721

>>18154860
Can someone make mario or luigi in the scene from captain philips saying look at me you are italy now?

>> No.18157801

lol

>> No.18158101

>>18154438
i know 2 who tested positive with proof. one 20 year old who says he felt nothing but quarantined and smoked weed. the other was 74 and had to go to the hospital but got better and went home a day after he checked in

>> No.18158183

>>18157679
What makes you think it's seasonal?

>> No.18158230

>>18154462
>0.03% of americans are diagnosed with it currently
>3 out of every 10,000 people
>>18154492
>I know 3
Apparently this cunt knows 10,000 people!

>> No.18158310

>>18154279
and how many died of "pneumonia"

>> No.18158350

>>18158230
I honestly respect this level of complete retardation.

>> No.18158456

>>18154279
Good. Let them burn. ARPA and the new Asian boom is gonna be amazing. MPC will change the world, and USA will not be included, period.

>> No.18158498

>>18156623
>Only fat fucks and boomers die to pneumonia.
got it, so at least half of the country and essential nurses and wagies. There is a reason why people are freaking out, a two weeks ago we were 20 dead and a couple hundred infected, now we are over 120k double in two days and 2220+ deaths and rising. It doesn't have to be deadly, all it needs to do is disable the healthcare system and then chaos breaks out after that.

>> No.18158525

>>18156623

Oh, I see. You, Ivan, have no idea how literate American hi-tech and science folks. You could, of course, try to troll someone on a nigger infested Taiwanese basket weaving forum and gain some self-validation, but you see, Ivan, you have zero chances on HN or even Reddit, fucking Slav nigger scum.

Enjoy your sense of being "educated" lmao

>> No.18158584

>>18158525
>have no idea how literate American hi-tech and science folks.
k

>> No.18158660

>>18158350
Can you argue with the statistcs? No.
I wonder what it's like being so popular. Probably not aot of time to himself.

>> No.18158671

>>18155780
>sheboon
Is it just me or are all these justafluposters niggers?

>> No.18158692

It's just a flu bro

>> No.18158729

>>18158230
well you see it clusters a bit sometimes

>> No.18158743

>>18155792
so you personally know people who had ebola?

>> No.18158820

>man gets run over by truck, dies.
>was infected by corona before the accident
>cause of death: corona.
Alternative situation:
>man has been hospitalized since three months, health has only ever deteriorated since hospitalization
>man eventually dies due to extremely frail immune system
>cause of death: corona.

>> No.18158833

>>18154290
I've calculated if we don't hit diseconomies of scale for the virus, everyone in the USA would theoretically be infected with Ronas in exactly 28 days but it would not show in everyone until 40.

>> No.18158938

>>18154439
Yeah 16-17 days

>> No.18158985

>>18156223
tfw too scared to go outside because of muh diabetes

>> No.18159199

>>18154345
>1:25 am
>446 deaths already

>> No.18160022
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>>18159199
>956
its just a flu, but call your family

>> No.18160048

>>18154345
DETHKLOK DETHKLOK

>> No.18160089
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>>18154310
CONFIRMED deaths from flu is microscopic, the mortality figures you see for flu are statistical ass-pulls, we've already 50% over confirmed swine flu deaths

>> No.18160140

>>18155175
Nigger, coronaviruses aren't strongly seasonal, we're already well outside flu season

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>>18156290
South Korea has a 1.5% mortality rate (75x seasonal flu) with nigh-universal testing

>> No.18160184

>>18156353
Based and boomer-pilled

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>>18154279
35 to 40 % death to recovered rate LMAO
>hurr it's a nothingburger
You need to understand that with 120k confirmed tests, due to limited testing capabilities and 2 week incubation period, the number of actually infected is in the millions already.
Death toll will likely bee in the hundreds of thousands if not millions for the US.
>just a flu bro
>people die from other stuff too bro
Just wait 2 weeks, then you will get a better grasp of what exponential growth means.

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>>18160203

>> No.18160249

>>18160203
>thinking the recovered rate is accurate
Way more people have coronavirus than have been tested for coronavirus. The chance of dying is smaller than you think.

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>>18160249
>smaller than you think
Yes, likely that's the case, still significantly more than the 0.3% death rate for common flu and more than the 1 to 2 % that WHO claims.
Likely more similar to the death rate in Italy which is above 10 %.

>> No.18160365

>>18160249
why is the # recovered accurate but the # dead isn’t ?
there is variance on the death %, but not under 2%

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>>18156472
>b-buy my stock bags guys! y-you gotta be an optimist if you wanna make it!

>Dow Jones = 100,0000 USD
>1 USD = 16.43 BTC / 183 OZ GOLD
>EOM!!!

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>>18154310

>> No.18160566

>>18160489
China did a good job
Let’s see how the right wing tyrants handle this shit.

>> No.18161147

>>18160566
Authoritarian countries handle it better. All the Asian countries that did well are either authoritarian or were authoritarian only a few decades ago

>> No.18161215

Who cares. All priced in. We're going back to work.

>> No.18161292

>>18158230
Quite possibly the most retarded person in this thread.
The country isnt evenly blanketed in infections. Depending on where you are in the country you could know of 30 people or more with it. Imagine new york

>> No.18161324

>>18154438
Why do I get this warm sensation in my extremeties whenever i see the words "dead" and "americans" in the same sentence?

>> No.18161353

>>18154310
In the US alone about 50k per year.

>> No.18161361

>>18154408
>right now kills more people than pneumonia and flu combined
No shit, flu season peaked WEEKS ago.

You're not very smart are you?

>> No.18161363

>>18154438
Nope granted there are only 2 cases in my county.

>> No.18161371

>>18155700
>we have to deal with this in addition to those deaths
Yes, but flu deaths fluctuate by 10s of thousands every year.

>> No.18161375

ITS A FUCKING NOTHINGBURGER

>> No.18161386

>>18156223
>the flu doesn't send everyone into the ICU all at once for weeks at a time
lol neither does corona.

In my country there's a hospital that tests everyone who comes in, and 10% of people have corona without even realizing it.

>> No.18161392

>>18157441
>4.64% mortality rate
A massive proportion of corona cases are never tested.
Your mortality rate is absolutely bunk.

>> No.18161406

>>18161371
Wow 10s of thousands that's almost a week of coronachan deaths

>> No.18161419

>>18161406
I was talking about the US alone dumb-dumb.

Even in Italy alone, flu deaths range from 25k one year to 8k another year.

>> No.18161424

>>18160489
Ben Garrison is honestly one of the most retarded cartoonists I've ever seen and so is absolutely perfect for the US

>> No.18161431

>>18154310
To all the flu wankers

Average flu deaths: 30k-> 80 flu deaths per day.

>Yesterday 6.5 * flu deaths.
>Day before 5* flu deaths.
>2 days before it was 3.5 * flu deaths
>A week ago May 21st 0.5* flu deaths.

Do you see a pattern?

In long term, total number of deaths has been increasing log-linearly for 26 days with a 10-fold rate of 8.5 days. This means that if current pace continues for another 26 days, you will have about 200k deaths in less than a month. How many daily flu death units do you think that day represents?

>> No.18161476

>>18161431
Even in shitshow Italy, corona deaths aren't close to flu deaths yet (10k vs 25k).
And this is after a solid week of cases plateau-ing.

In the vast majority of countries, corona is an absolute minnow compared to flu deaths.

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>>18154394
>(((scientists)))
They’ve flip flopped with no basis on their stances that were also formed with no basis

>> No.18161604

>>18154279
>Still less than 9/11
I'm gonna need my reparation gibs from 19 years ago

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>>18154357
Just those that don't have their heads up their ass, peddling fear.

>> No.18161643

>>18154438
My FIL allegedly has it.
He's been in the hospital for 2 weeks ... with a horrible deep bone infection. Fat fuck also has diabetes, hypertension, gout, and all sorts of cardiac issues. Suspected to make a full recovery and be home soon.

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>>18157236

>> No.18161721
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>>18154310

>> No.18161774

>>18155780
Your stupidity will be your downfall americans

>> No.18161796

>>18161721
>>18161774
Nobody's saying this isn't an additional risk, but it's not worth shutting down the world for it. Especially since it almost exclusively kills old and unhealthy people.
Should've just quarantined those.

>> No.18161815

>>18154310
Officially, not many since they only use estimates.

>> No.18161826

>>18155780
Shills came hard on this post.

>> No.18161827

>>18161612
Nice chart source

>> No.18161846

>>18155780
China said they had less than 200 die from the flu last year so you figure out who is lying. People use the flu ESTIMATES yet only use confirmed chink virus deaths. Why not compare official to official?

>> No.18161848

>>18156470

Shlomo Goldstein

>> No.18161863

>>18161846
>People use the flu ESTIMATES
Flu numbers are very accurate due to mature data gathering and testing methods after decades of flu statistics.

>> No.18161889

>>18161796
>Should've just let them be cleansed
*ftfy

>> No.18161893

>>18160203
I’ve been waiting 2 weeks for 8 weeks now. It’s still just a flu, seethe.

>> No.18161896

>>18161863
Estimation over long period of time is still estimation

>> No.18161923

>>18161896
There's no estimation.
Flu deaths are individually verified, and flu cases are determined with a very high degree of accuracy through batch testing, and decades of flu statistics to rely on.

With corona the case numbers are fraught with guesswork because it's new and we have no idea what the numbers look like.
It is becoming very clear however that there's a huge proportion of people who have corona but don't realize it and aren't included in the statistics.

>> No.18161961

>>18161476
You are in denial. Italy had 68000 flu deaths in 5 years making on average 37 per day. Now they are having 20* flu death units daily and the number is still increasing.

While its true log scale shows success, it is not plateau-ing before we see close to zero derivatives in the log scale. Of course strict social distancing will bend the curve, but we don't know yet if it has been enough to bring avg r0 to below 1.

You and everyone else who compares the absolute number of annual seasonal flu pandemic deaths to corona deaths is retarded. Thats not how you evaluate the risk factor of an epidemy.

But yes, the epidemy is controllable. But even if we take the case Italy and accept that it it may be plateau-ing soon lets ask the question: What did it require and what will it require in the future?

The answer is: they've been in full or close to full lockdown for a month or so and the lockdown will continue for at least a month before they can be easened from place to place. As we saw in Wuhan. Lockdown still in order months after.

The follow up question is: Why do you think the US is going to be any different? The idea about being able to detect all the current cases and only isolate them is delusional shit that they are making you suck up to momentarily save the stock markets. Eventually the US WILL need to impose strict lockdowns and this is only becoming more and more expensive day by day.

>> No.18161977

>>18161923
Wrong. Flu deaths are not individually verified they are estimates. The estimates are probably wrong as fuck with no ties to reality at all.

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When is this shit going to hit Australia already, we've got over 3000 cases but only a dozen deaths god damnit!
I want the fucking housing market to crash already REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.18162222

>>18161961
>Italy had 68000 flu deaths in 5 years making on average 37 per day.
>Now they are having 20* flu death units daily
Tell me you are joking. Please.

>>18161977
>Flu deaths are not individually verified
Yes they are.
In the US for instance, flu deaths are entered into flusurv-net after lab testing. And people who are dying are absolutely all tested.
The estimates you're talking about relate to things like hospitalization-to-death ratio, not absolute death numbers.

>> No.18162353

>>18158833
>28 days later...

>> No.18162556

>>18161994
Imported cases don't usually lead to deaths because they're mainly young people

>> No.18162708

>>18158230
>>18158660
>is THIS stupid
>still smug about it
pottery

>> No.18162725

>>18161826
>>>/pol/
and get btfo reard

>> No.18162763

This will sure have a positive impact on markets DOW +10% on monday

>> No.18162854

>>18161826
>Shills
kek

>> No.18163680

>>18162222
Amerifaggots are in denial.

>Reported FluSurv-NET hospitalization rates are adjusted to correct for under-detection
>CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year.
>Most people who die from flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples.

The flu death is nothing but a fucking far fetched data extrapolation adjusted with questimated variables extrapolated again.

Besides, the estimates conclude "flu as cause of death" even if primary cause of death was a heart failure due to secondary bacterial infection induced by weakened immune system due to flu. In case of corona, the death is a result of primarily corona infection induced sepsis or other organ failure. We are not even in the time period of corona secondary infections because most cases are still progressing in early stages.

>> No.18163738

>>18161361
Do you understand why the flu peaks when it does? If so, you should feel greatly relieved that the lung pow sicken was not everywhere by december.

>> No.18163750

>>18161419
Italy has 10k deaths from coof already, so it beat the lower range of the YEARLY flu deaths.

>> No.18163751

ok great, now lets see the flu. This is a fucking nothingburger, go outside and live your life jesus fucking christ.

>> No.18163772

>>18154310
enough that they closed the schools in december because 2 people died thats it 2 people and every school closed.

>> No.18163851

>>18163680
>>Reported FluSurv-NET hospitalization rates are adjusted to correct for under-detection
>>CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year.
>>Most people who die from flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples.
Of course. People die at home, or they get to hospital with an acute medical emergency due to flu but aren't necessarily tested for flu.
The same is true for any death by infectious disease, including corona.

Fact is the flu has been around for a very long time, and testing, statistics, data gathering, ... are very mature.

>>18163750
>Italy has 10k deaths from coof already, so it beat the lower range of the YEARLY flu deaths.
The lower range, yes.
But it's not even at the annual variance in regular flu deaths yet; which is 18k deaths between 2013 and 2016 for example.

Italy's serious infection numbers have been plateau-ing for 8 days now, so assuming the current corona deaths double, that means corona deaths will slightly exceed a common annual variance for regular flu.
And this is Italy, arguably the worst-hit country in the world.

>> No.18163892

>>18163851
>Italy's serious infection numbers have been plateau-ing for 8 days now, so assuming the current corona deaths double, that means corona deaths will slightly exceed a common annual variance for regular flu.
Could this have anything to do with THE FACT THAT EVERYONE IS CONFINED AT HOME, WEARING MASKS AND SANITIZING EVERYTHING THEY TOUCH? No, it's just the will of god surely.

>> No.18163924

>>18163892
The virus in Italy is too far gone; the confinement is not to contain the virus, but to flatten the curve and delay/extend the peak.
Without confinement, the peak would have been reached earlier (and more violently).

>> No.18163952

>>18160489
Yeah i too trust the guy who labeled Obama "Obama" in his comics about Obama

>> No.18163962

>>18163892
>to flatten the curve and delay/extend the peak.
Yes, that's literally what's causing this
>Italy's serious infection numbers have been plateau-ing for 8 days now
that's literally what it means

>> No.18163979

>>18163962
meant to quote
>>18163924
obviously

>> No.18164002

>>18163962
>Yes, that's literally what's causing this plateau
Anon, without confinement corona would've plateau-d earlier.

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>>18164002
>the peak would have been reached earlier (and more violently).
>it would've plateau-d earlier
pick one, dumbass

>> No.18164047

>>18164028
The plateau is the peak, anon. They're the same thing.

>> No.18164094

>>18164047
If there's a sharp rise and a sharp drop there's no plateau.

>> No.18164104

>>18154439
m8 just 2 more weeks. The memes write themselves but good, I hope everything implodes and buy the dip

>> No.18164128

>>18154279
priced
in

>> No.18164140

>>18156441
damn that's alotta ugly people

>> No.18164164

>>18164094
Depends on the timeframe. In any case they both refer to the top.

Without confinement measures, Italy would've reached the top sooner.

>> No.18165140

>>18163851
No, not even hospitalized are tested for flu and even if they are tested they may not be positive. The flu death number is a pure questimate.


>The same is true for any death by infectious disease, including corona.
Wrong, the corona deaths must be lab-tested using PCR or antibody lab test to be included in the figures. The only exception that is widely accepted in the statistics was a few day period in Hubei when they included 14K clinically diagnosed cases for a few days before the province leader was kicked out lol.

You are in denial: Pulling facts out of your ass to support their narrative hoping I don't have a counter-argument.

>Italy's serious infection numbers have been plateau-ing for 8 days now, so assuming the current corona deaths double, that means corona deaths will slightly exceed a common annual variance for regular flu.

If reported numbers are accurate, Italy does show significant improvement (unlike the US) but it's not plateauing yet even if case numbers were accurate. The longest decline in daily cases was 3 days, not 8 as you claim. There was a peak on 19th - 21th but overall the cases still do not show statistically significant plateauing. I would expect the cases to decline soon though because of the strict measures.

Also, unlike the US, Italy has been in state of total lockdown for a while. Good luck for extrapolating Italy numbers to the US. But also Italy is not testing everyone anymore and the case positivity rate has skyrocketed from 5% a month ago to 20% today.

>And this is Italy, arguably the worst-hit country in the world.
Nah, USA is a good candidate to be the worth hit major country in the world. Comparing the massive federation of USA to a relatively small Italy is naive. You need to adjust with the fact that Italy has been concluded to be about 10.5 days ahead of the US in community spread timeline. If you do that, NYS is already far ahead of Italy even without adjusting for age demographics.

>> No.18165191

>>18163924
>The virus in Italy is too far gone; the confinement is not to contain the virus, but to flatten the curve and delay/extend the peak.
Do you realize just about all countries are beyond this point already because contracts cannot be traced? Including the US

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WHAT THE FUCK!!!

THOUSANDS ARE DYING EVERY SINGLE DAY, SOON IT WILL BE MILLIONS

>> No.18165209

2000 WILL DIE TODAY AND THEN TOMORROW 4000

10000 ON TUESDAY 100K NEXT FRIDAY THEN 1 MILLION !!!!!!!! fFFFuuuckkKKKKKKK!!!!!!

>> No.18165233

>>18165140
>Nah, USA is a good candidate to be the worth hit major country in the world.
Sure thing Mike Tyson

>> No.18165236

>>18165140
>not even hospitalized are tested for flu
You better refrain from making absolutist statements like this. Especially when they're retardedly wrong.

>corona deaths must be lab-tested using PCR or antibody lab test to be included in the figures
Tell that to Italy lmao

> The longest decline in daily cases was 3 days, not 8 as you claim
See pic.
The plateau started on March 21st, which is 8 days ago.

>Good luck for extrapolating Italy numbers to the US
Especially considering the US case total is about 50% higher than Italy's, yet the death toll is about a fifth lol.

>Nah, Italy is not arguably the worst-hit country in the world
God you're desperate.

>> No.18165254

>>18165191
>Do you realize just about all countries are beyond this point already
Yes?

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>>18165236
>>18165140

>see pic

Plateau started on March 21st, exactly 8 days ago like I said.

>> No.18165282

>>18154279
The US loses 30,000 people annually to flu
The world loses 500,000
We currently have 1400 US deaths from corona
And 33,000 globally
These deaths are nearly all elderly people with already limited life expectancy
Countries which practice little to no "social distancing" are experiencing the same rates of infection as those shutting down economies
It appears the only thing that matters is disease proximity to Hubei and age of population

China had peak incidence and recovery within three months
New cases and deaths in Italy are already declining
Washington state and New York are already declining in their rate of rise and most US states are nearly unaffected

If we don't start seeing at least 50x the daily incident disease rate and death rate we're currently seeing it's not even as important an illness as the flu

The normal, seasonal, non-pandemic flu
That nobody even thinks about

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>>18165282
1 MILLION DEAD PER DAY BY NEXT WEEK!!!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.18165297

>>18165233
Fucking kek.

>> No.18165304
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THIS IS REAL IT'S ALL REAL HOSPITALS ARE OVERRUN PEOPLE ARE DYING IN THE STREETS COUGHING AND SUFFOCATING

20 YEAR OLDS ARE DYING SUDDENLY WITHOUT WARNING

IT'S ALL REAL IT'S REAL I SAW IT ON TWITTER

>> No.18165399

>>18165282
>it's just a flu, bro

>> No.18165407

ANY NYC ANONS CAN REPORT IN AND TELL US WHAT IT'S LIKE? TAKE A PHOTO OF THE DEAD BODIES IN THE STREETS

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>>18165407
My family went to eat lunch at sacco pizza.
They loaded their bodies in here a hour later.

>> No.18165451

>>18165304
>>18165407
>just live inna city bro
>like sardines packed together, with a massive proportion of subsidized lowlifes
>country life is lame haha, look at this Hollywood movie telling you so
>what could go wrong

>> No.18165476

>>18154279
just a flu bruh, just dca bruh

>> No.18165509

>>18165435
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.18165707

>>18165282
>The number of US deaths is ~2,400 as of today
>Believing a contagious virus running amuck in a country with 1.4 billion people for a month only has 80k cases
>Comparing this new virus that just entered the human population to a disease that has been around for 100s of years
I know this thing isn't going to be the end of the world but at least take it seriously considering that it can kill more people ON TOP of the annual flu deaths we already have

>> No.18165804

>>18154310
Why do dumb fucks like you always talk about absolute numbers?
>Hurr durr flu number for the whole year is bigger so this is less bad

>35-45 million flu cases per year in the US
>0.1% death rate

Yes, how about we just let this highly contagious virus spread to another 35-45 million people. With the current death rate between 1-5%, we're only looking at between 350,000 to 1.75 million people dead. No problem, no big deal. 5% of current active cases are serious/critical, so that's at least 1.75 million people requiring hospitalisation and probably a ventilator for at least 2 weeks. With death rates probably going higher if hospitals get completely overwhelmed and no care can be provided for those in critical conditions. No problem, we'll just print more money and build more hospitals. The current hospital situation is totally fine and we're totally not already completely btfo with only 135k confirmed cases.

Just let it spread, it's just a flu. 1.75 million people is only 0.5% of the population, fuck em, think of my savings and stock gains...
I guess yeh 350k to 1.75 million people dead is definitely the same as the flu...

>> No.18165818

>>18165282
hello melania trump
i see you've made progress in english !

>> No.18165836

>>18161392
you can also say the exact same thing for the flu.
not everyone who gets the flu goes to the doctor.
the mortality rate is correct.
of the people who are CONFIRMED to have it die at 4.64% (worldwide)

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NOOOOOOOO !
OH NO MY HECKIN GAINZERINOOOOOOS
IT'S JUST THE FLUORINOOOOOOOO

>> No.18165895

>>18154438
The girl my GF and I fucks had her parent and grandmother died to this fucker. They couldn't say goodbye to each other. Their corpses were burn't like fucking zombies anons. This is serious

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>>18158230
Kek

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2,037 out of 330,000,000
kek

>> No.18166136

>>18165836
>you can also say the exact same thing for the flu.
No you can't.
The numbers for the flu are much more accurate after more than a century of data.
Corona data on the other hand goes back four months, and was gathered largely under emergency circumstances.

>> No.18166158

>>18156223
Lol less than 4% of confirmed cases are severe you mong. They only test people with moderate to severe symptoms. Probably 80% of cases go undiagnosed.

>> No.18166175

>>18156353
Kys

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>>18165267
lol, good job being a retard. That is not statistically significant plateauing. The daily detected infections more in steps due to weekend/testing capacity limitations, events, restriction measures ect. Longest "decrease" is 3 days (so one peak day + 2 days of decrease). You are ignoring that the past 7 days shows consistent increase. To support your narrative, you are using incomplete data for today. Today cases are likely to be at 6-6.5K.


By your logic Spain showed plateauing in mid March.

>>18165236
>You better refrain from making absolutist statements like this. Especially when they're retardedly wrong.

Lol, if you had actually read the CDC estimates you'd know they state it themself. The true detected number of influenza deaths for people over 65 is multiplied with 5.6 to get the estimate.

>>Nah, Italy is not arguably the worst-hit country in the world
>God you're desperate.

"Hardest hit" is a stupid phrase without defining what you mean by it. Time adjust it and normalize by population, Italy is not going to be the "hardest hit" after the global epidemy is over.

>Tell that to Italy lmao
Pulling shit out of your ass again to support narrative.

>> No.18166208

>>18160359
You're retarded. 10% death rate in Italy is among confirmed, severe cases. There are minimum 10x as many cases that have not been confirmed. The true mortality rate is less than 1% and only kills the elderly and the immunodeficient

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>>18154279
Rookie numbers.

>> No.18166266

>>18154279
There are probably 1.5M cases, if not 5x that.

>> No.18166328

>>18166208
>The true mortality rate is less than 1% and only kills the elderly and the immunodeficient
You do realize the number of deaths is approaching 1 per thousand in San Marino and more than 1 per 10k in Italy and Spain.
That means 0.1% and 0.01% of the TOTAL population died already and it's just going to keep going for a few more days at least.
And I seriously doubt literally 100% of the population in those countries is infected, even in San Marino. It's still concentrated in North Italy and the Madrid and Catalonia regions for example.

(and no San Marino is not full of old people, surprisingly, it's younger than many european countries)

>> No.18166332

>>18165804
Truth.

>> No.18166389

>>18166328
By the way, because the flu season is ending right around now, that means the old and vulnerable people who would die from the flu normally were dead already, or at least got decimated.

>> No.18166441

>>18166136
>centuries of data
>therefore annual data is more accurate
You realise you can map a pretty accurate projection based on a relatively small sample size, right? It's not like they test all those 35-45 million cases every year for the flu.

Even if we look at the best case scenario, Germany, who apparently tested a large portion of people who were asymptomatic or showing only mild symptoms, their death rate is still 0.8%. The best case scenario is still 8x higher the seasonal flu. Since it's a new virus that we have no fucking clue how to treat, what the long term damage is and what the true death rate may be, you go by what you have, not what some random anon with a galaxy 8ball brain said on 4chan.

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18166482

>>18154408
WHO?

>> No.18166574

>>18154742
My uncle has it and is on ventilator.

>> No.18166591

>>18154279
That’s a small death count

>> No.18166622

>>18166591
just the flu bro

>> No.18166647

>>18166622
Yep

>> No.18166719

>>18166181
>That is not statistically significant plateauing.
Of course it is.
The longer it lasts, the bigger the chance of it not going up anymore.

>By your logic Spain showed plateauing in mid March.
It did.

>Lol, if you had actually read the CDC estimates you'd know they state it themself.
Source for where CDC says nobody is tested for the flu.

>"Hardest hit" is a stupid phrase without defining what you mean by it.
"hardest hit" in terms of deaths, obviously.
And "is" is in the present tense.

>Pulling shit out of your ass again to support narrative.
Italy is counting everyone who dies and happens to test positive as corona deaths.

>>18166441
>>centuries of data
>>therefore annual data is more accurate
Of course.
The more data you have and the longer the time period of that data, the more accurate the modelling. Obviously

>> No.18166748

>>18156441
>nigger comes on screen
>gimmedat
Like clockwork.

>> No.18166773

>>18158833
piano starts playing

>> No.18166902

>>18165282
>Washington state and New York are already declining in their rate of rise
1. NY ordered restrictions 2 weeks ago, of course it is seen in the rate of rise. R0 is directly proportional to the number of contacts. Smaller daily increase does not imply plateauing though.
2. The US officials have stated before that they have a large backlog of cases and they will notify once they have catched up with the cases. This has not been done. Clearing backlog will look like plateauing cases momentarily. US has seen unnaturally large case increases in the past and not it's close to "normal". The long term international daily increase average is about 20%. US has seen nothing but rate increases of 23-49% which are unnatural -> backlog.
3. Weekend fri-sat increases have been systematically lower previously, probably related to work cycles or weekend habits of people. In whole US but also in NYS and other states.
4. If you go to the era with few hundred cases per day, those daily are not really statistically significant.


> most US states are nearly unaffected
Nah, they are just few weeks behind NYS.

>> No.18166920

>>18166181
>20% of the relevant time
>not statistically significant plateauing

Retard.

>> No.18167054

I literally can't die as long as I don't leave the house. Feels comfy.

>> No.18167082

>>18161361
>700 dead each day in Italy
>'Merican thinks it's not a problem

>> No.18167112

>>18167082
First off I'm European.
Secondly, whether I think it's a problem or not has nothing to do with the retarded point I was addressing.

>> No.18167142

>>18155175
Yeah man, look at Louisiana. 80˚F average, no cases. Hell, you should move there now, meet new people, shake hands with neighbors.

>> No.18167259

>>18166136
>>you can also say the exact same thing for the flu.
>No you can't.

Flu tests are not systematic and the death case is highly extrapolated. Practically all internationally reported covid-19 deaths are lab tested.

>The numbers for the flu are much more accurate after more than a century of data.

Lol, there is no century of data. There is not even data from recent years.

The whole current influenza season has 43k lab confirmed positive influenza cases in the USA and 19.5k of them were laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations. This period includes most of the influenza cases annually. Yet CDC estimates up to 61k dying and 810,000k hospitalizations annually due to influenza.

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>>18167259
>Flu tests are not systematic and the death case is highly extrapolated. Practically all internationally reported covid-19 deaths are lab tested.

pic related. All lab tested influenza reported to CDC from the current influenza season.

>> No.18167328

>>18167259
>>18167290
>Flu tests are not systematic and the death case is highly extrapolated
... based on over a century of data.

>Lol, there is no century of data. There is not even data from recent years.
t. schizo.

Remember you're the dumbass who tried to compare "deaths per day" between five years of flu vs four months of corona.

>> No.18167950

>>18167328
>... based on over a century of data.
hurr durr how were your PCR deaths a century ago

Besides flu 20 years ago is not the same flu today. One warm winter, implying lower number of flu infections, is enough to fuck up herd immunity and double the number of estimated deaths the next year.

>> No.18167968

>>18167328
>Remember you're the dumbass who tried to compare "deaths per day" between five years of flu vs four months of corona.
The whole point was to show comparison to absolute flu deaths is retarded, but you were too retarded to understand this.

>> No.18167993

>>18156411
>Probably(?)
Wrong. Its 1000x worse than the flu.

>> No.18168014

>>18161826
The shills are the ones downplaying the virus.

>> No.18168031

>>18154338
This, the death rate is bad enough but I'm more worried about my lungs being scarred and my balls disabled by this cunt eyes virus. The media is conviently ignoring the horrors such as being on a ventilator for an entire month. And the triple reinfections which means our bodies can't develop immunity just like AIDS.

>> No.18168036

>>18154310
34,200 last year, bit under 92 per day.

Corona has been spreading 2-4 incubation periods and we have 525 a day.

>> No.18168076

>>18167950
haha k?

>>18167968
>The whole point was to show comparison to absolute flu deaths is retarded
Sure it was.

>> No.18168113

>>18168031
people in NYC are already sharing ventilators and we're 3-4 weeks from the peak. imagine how many people will be crammed into overflowing hospitals and stuck sharing ventilators for weeks what a fucking nightmare. I'm young enough I probably wouldn't have any trouble if I got it but I'm leaving the city tomorrow just on the off chance I get sick enough to need a ventilator. I'd rather kms that be put in that situation. one of my gf's coworkers got infected a couple weeks ago and he is still in the hospital. he's 28 with no pre-existing conditions.

>> No.18168116

>>18165804
R0 is higher and no vaccine, there will be way more cases.

300,000-3.5 million dead is what we should be prepared for over the next 12 months. If the vaccine takes longer and reinfection if more common than , who knows.

Some modles have 11.4 million in 18 months but obviously government can run with that.

I do expect NYC eventually quarantined but it's honestly getting too late.

>> No.18168155

>>18167290
Influenza is endemic, it has been for 60 years.
Every year we can basically predict how bad it's "season" will be

COVID-19 is STILL in it's exponential phase on it's first year and it's "season" could be multiple years long.
Comparing this to the flu is retarded.

>> No.18168242

>>18166920
He's right though and you might be an actual retarded person. Its "plateaud" because of testing not because of infections.

>> No.18168286

>>18166441
>You realise you can map a pretty accurate projection based on a relatively small sample size
>One small sample size
>Making huge global projections
I hate the term "anti-science" but your post is literally just that, it's anti-science

>> No.18168319

>>18168242
The reason for the plateau has nothing to do with the fact that he claimed 20% of the relevant time was not “statistically significant”.

>> No.18168392

>>18161392
You are the worst retard of all.
Considering incubation period and the time it takes to kill someone from onset of symptoms, you cannot possibly assume that the mortality rate is higher or lower.
What we KNOW about this virus is basically nothing.
We won't understand this fully until it is over.

>> No.18168412

>>18168392
>Considering incubation period and the time it takes to kill someone from onset of symptoms, you cannot possibly assume that the mortality rate is higher or lower.
Of course you can.
Vast numbers of people with corona are never counted as such because they have zero to mild symptoms and are never tested, which massively inflates mortality rate.

>> No.18168483

>>18168412
>still doesn’t understand how asymptomatic carriers help this disease
What happens when an asymptomatic carrier delivers pizza all day for 2 months?

>> No.18168493

>>18168483
Nothing to do with what I said.

>> No.18168509

>>18168493
well if you’re concerned with how many people it will kill and not just the death rate then it might

>> No.18168583

>>18161721
fucking based

>> No.18168833

>>18168412
Yes, this is true. No one really thinks Italy has a 10% IFR, even if health system collapse has doubled what the IFR would have been otherwise.

The problem is that some people who want to minimize this for political purposes are claiming insane numbers of uncounted cases.

>"Community spread has been going on since December, US cases are 5 million."

No retards. Community spread was confirmed about 2-4 incubation periods ago in a handful of areas. It just so happens that it is all those areas where hospitals are overwhelmed now.

Some Stanford idiots who do intro medical stats, not infection specialists, put out an op ed that literally said "most of the NBA was tested, and 1% have it, so we assume 1% of everyone in cities with NBA teams has it, that means x million cases and a fatality rate way below flu." Hyper retarded and would fail high school stats, right? But it ran in the WSJ and is being cited as a reason to lift everything.

Flu averaged 94 deaths a day last season. We have 525, most from a city of just 8 million. If you do the same sort of napkin math that Ioniadass gets his dick sucked for on that, you're eating 10,000 deaths a day eventually.

Fact is, no one knows how bad we will get. We need random testing of the public to determine true IFR.

I have heard for weeks how massively expanding testing will drop fatality rates any day now, and it hasn't materialized. If your model keeps not predicting reality, you have to change it.

525 deaths last night, bet 600+ tonight. We will be at a thousand a day soon and it's only matured in two cities so far.

>> No.18169064

>>18156171
>>>18154279 (OP)
>It won't stop until 6 gorillion deaths.

The most based post. I am watching the israel numbers and africa numbers with much delight.

>> No.18169221

on 9-11-2001, there were 3000 deaths in ONE DAY. now that was a true happening.

>> No.18169261

>>18169221
>3000 deaths in ONE DAY

Wait until june. 3000 deaths a day.

>> No.18169298

>>18155780
>comparing total numbers between an emerging illness to an established illness

>> No.18169432

>>18169298
What exactly is wrong with doing this? It is a good way to garner perspective on a situation...especially one like this where perspective is greatly lacking...

Massive amounts of planning and precaution is taken for flu season also...which wasn’t the case for this.

It is clear that this new virus is going to become a new, regular issue. The sooner we accept that, the better.

>> No.18169616

>>18169432
>What exactly is wrong with doing this? It is a good way to garner perspective on a situation
Well for one, we have spent 100s of years building an immunity to the flu. That is why we only have a flu season, because it is only able to spread in a perfect scenario. (Everyone is inside, the cold weakens our immune system, etc)

The flu is not asymptomatic for the first 2 weeks of infection, the flu does not lack a vaccine, and we have a lot of data to predict how bad a flu season will be as well as what needs to be done in order to prepare for it. Many people take these things for granted which is why they don’t understand why we have no idea how bad corona will be and why our best took against it is stopping its spread. ie. isolation or quarantine

>> No.18169666

>>18169261
June? More like April.

>> No.18171525

>>18169616
You didn’t answer anything I said or tell me anything I don’t know. I have a masters in biological systems and specialize in immunology.

>> No.18171564

>>18169616
You also don’t seem to have an understanding of how the immune system works.

If you got infected by this novel corona virus, your immune system would become stronger because of it (in every aspect...especially your innate system, interferon system, and attained immunity).

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18171652

>>18171525
>>18171564
well I'm glad we've got an immunology expert in the thread

what's your opinion on this graph?

>> No.18171662

4,997,963 to go

>> No.18172020

>>18160203
They're not even testing sick people with exact symptoms for Coronavirus. They're only testing people who are going to die if they don't have a ventilator. They didn't test people who died before March for Coronavirus and many deaths have already been attributed to the seasonal flu.

We have literally ZERO idea of how many people have it or had it. Those numbers mean literally nothing.

>> No.18172081

>>18165864
These numbers mean nothing when you have reports of nearly 50% of people not showing any symptoms and they're only testing people who are hospitalized and in need of urgent care.

>> No.18172108

>>18171564
>If you got infected by this novel corona virus, your immune system would become stronger because of it
Unless you die you mean? I thought you were an expert.
How can you possibly know that this will become a new regularly occurring issue as opposed to a new and constantly occuring issue or an issue that wipes out 2% of the population and never occurs again? Do you know something the CDC doesn’t?

>> No.18172206

>>18171525
>What exactly is wrong with doing this?
I told you exactly what is wrong with this. If you already knew that then you wouldn’t ask that question.

>> No.18172268

>>18171652
Just realized our immunologist friend might not be able to read italian.

Those are the monthly deaths in the city of Bergamo. On top is all those who died in the city, at the bottom only long-term residents.
Note that the last month isn't complete because the graph was made on the 26th.

>> No.18172270

>>18168286
>one small sample size
Where the fuck did I use one sample size to make global projections? Why are you making shit up? All I said is that projections are often made with relatively "small" sample sizes that you can extrapolate to the entire population and it is often pretty accurate. So to say some dumb shit like hurr not enough cases, 99% of country is infected and they all have no symptoms and it's just a flu exdeee, is autistic af.

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