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NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST TAKE AWAY ALL MY GAINS OVER THE PAST 5 YEARS

>> No.18127967

>>18127939
It's amazing how in one foul swoop all of the savings which took years of cost averaging are gone in an instant.

>> No.18127983

>>18127939
You should have sold retard

>> No.18127984
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18127984

>>18127939
>he bought the " don't worry you'll be rich in 50 years" eternal growth etf meme

>> No.18127991

I'm guessing we are going to go down to 6k. The only way it's going to go back permanently is when they make it illegal to short.

>> No.18128440

>>18127983
>implying my company lets me sell

>> No.18128489

>>18128440

Now you know why so many CEO's bailed.

>> No.18128578

>>18127939
it will come back
these funds are for rich people that park some of their money there and they know that it will come back
if you are poor it's stupid to invest in those fund. You gotta search for ChainLink if you are poor

>> No.18128925

>>18128578
Cope. It just shows you how vulnerable “passive investors” are to the market. Those with actively managed portfolios could’ve sold as soon as the sell-off began and preserved their wealth.

Meanwhile ETF cucks lost 5 years of “dollar cost averaging” and “minimal risk returns”

>> No.18128959

pfff past 5 years? Watch next month....

>> No.18129078

>>18128925
>Cope. It just shows you how vulnerable “passive investors” are to the market. Those with actively managed portfolios could’ve sold as soon as the sell-off began and preserved their wealth.
How can you sell ''as soon as the sell-off begins'' ?
When there are those pandemic events you gotta be super fast to sell or you will get a shit price to sell to
You should have sold before the Corona virus news but that was a bull marcet
no one could have imaged a black swan
Now it's moment to super buy obv because the sell it was priced in and now the ''buying'' it's going to be priced in too

If ya wait too much you gonna lose a second opportunity to be ahead

>> No.18129113

>>18127984
This. Passive stocks are a slow suicide, either follow market trends or get fucked.

>> No.18129116

>>18128925
You could have sold an etf too tho
I don't see the point

>> No.18129149

>>18129078
>no one could have imaged a black swan
It was obvious that this was going to have huge implications for the stock market.

>> No.18129192

>>18129113
>>18127984
where the fuck should i put my money then if not into a 100% stocks vanguard account, do i seriously have to become a stockbroker?

>> No.18129227

>>18129078

I was already wary of the ridiculous 40% rally SPY had a whole year before. Then governments started enacting mass economic shutdowns worldwide with a time horizon of weeks to months, basically a guarantee for at least a half year's economic recession. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of trying to time dumps but this was one everyone who stays current on the economy should have seen. The market grows on the constant assumption of greater growth. A RETRACTION is unfathomable and obliterates confidence.

>> No.18129277

>>18129149
>>18129227

>t. I can time the market tops and bottoms

>> No.18129307

>>18129192
step 1: get off Vanr*ddit
step 2: buy 40/60 TQQQ/TMF
step 3: rebalance every quarter
step 4: retire in 5 years

>> No.18129310

>>18129149
>It was obvious
yes in Feb it was obvious not In gen

>> No.18129329

>>18129192
Don't listen to those retards

>> No.18129331

>>18129277

> Yeah, I'm not a big fan of trying to time dumps but this was one everyone who stays current on the economy should have seen

This wasn't a matter of conjecture. Governments literally said: 30% of economic growth is going to die, right now. And this may last months.

>> No.18129339

>>18129307
what do all those terms mean, where do i read more about this

>> No.18129347

>>18128925
What the fuck are these 5 years you're speaking of? Nasdaq 100 is back to like december 2019 values.
Lmao @ your life gambler

>> No.18129386

>>18129192
real estate

>> No.18129390

>>18129347
DJI retard

>> No.18129413

>>18129339
here u go bro

https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio?s=y&timePeriod=4&startYear=1985&firstMonth=1&endYear=2020&lastMonth=12&calendarAligned=true&includeYTD=false&initialAmount=100000&annualOperation=0&annualAdjustment=0&inflationAdjusted=true&annualPercentage=0.0&frequency=4&rebalanceType=3&absoluteDeviation=5.0&relativeDeviation=25.0&showYield=false&reinvestDividends=true&benchmarkSymbol=VTSAX&portfolioNames=true&portfolioName1=retire+in+5+years+chad&portfolioName2=virgin+r*ddit+vanguard+fund&portfolioName3=Portfolio+3&symbol1=SPXL&allocation1_1=40&symbol2=TMF&allocation2_1=60&symbol3=VTSAX&allocation3_2=100

>> No.18129459

>>18129413
ok this looks good, but how do i know this will hold true for the next 5-10 years as well

>> No.18129467

>>18129331
>This wasn't a matter of conjecture. Governments literally said: 30% of economic growth is going
They said this in Feb

>> No.18129473

>>18129459
YOu don't know anything will hold true for 5-10 years.

>> No.18129528

>>18129473
well fuck me then, is there a way to know the chance this fund will nosedive?

>> No.18129554

Tfw I bought in a few days ago and made alot of money off this. I will continue to make more as the market recovers.

>> No.18129618

>>18127939
you don't lose if you don't sell
you still have those stocks in hand.
if you wanted the dollar value, you should have sold for the dollars.

>> No.18129635
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18129635

>short term investing mindset with long-term investment vehicles

>> No.18129675
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18129675

>>18129331
>timing the market can work
The overwhelming majority of people can not time the market effectively over the long term.

>> No.18129698

>>18129307
Don't do this it makes mustard gas!

>> No.18129769

any tips for someone living in europe as to what they can do, all this seems very american to me

>> No.18129793

>>18129413
this gets btfo by corona virus doesnt it

>> No.18129856

>>18129793
Only if treasuries and equities dump together and stay down but that won't happen because Jerome will keep treasuries up.

>> No.18129893

>>18129675
why not just cite the study that found active managers who forgot about an account or who had died made more than the ones actually working

>> No.18129900

>implying I'm not still up with VWENX
Eat shit retards. When you're not investing hay pennies your opinions will matter.

>> No.18129934

>>18129528
Anon of any investor vould predict the future he sure as hell wouldn't be posting here. Read a stats books and learn about residuals and variance.

>> No.18129990

>>18129793
TMF doesnt but SPXL does because 3x etfs lose an extra .1% or some shit when they go down, 3x etfs are great in bull markets and make you way more money than the vanguard meme so if you held it after 2008s recession and sold before corona you wouldve made way more money but major crashes like right now btfo them

>> No.18130132

>>18129900
VWENX has 1.03 beta you turbotripleniggerretard. A basic bitch 60/40 SPY/TLT has better sharpe ratio.

>> No.18130159

>>18129990
TMF is 3x as well.

>> No.18130449

>>18129893
>cite one study
nice bait

>> No.18130773

>>18130132
>hurrrrr your set it and forget it investment doesn't have big enough gainz

>> No.18130841

>>18130773
You said you were still up, which is a lie since it has 100% correlation with S&P500. Neck yourself retard.

>> No.18130922

>>18130773
This is a tremendous goalpost moving cope btw

>> No.18131059

>>18130841
Based on OP's 5 year criteria I absolutely am still up. Seethe harder money manlet.

>> No.18131138

>>18131059
you got hay penny returns lmao. not so cocky now huh

>> No.18131164

>>18131059
keep walking it back btw

>> No.18131302

>>18131138
>state I am up
>state I do nothing other than buy and hold
>remind you of the context in which my statements are being given
Do you need a shitty mspaint drawing to understand how utterly retarded you are?

>> No.18131373

>>18128489
Ah yes I now see

>> No.18131437
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18131437

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXNcIqP_2JQ

dreams of the dollar crashing and sudden destruction

>> No.18131942

YOU CANT JUST DESTROY MY YEARS OF DOLLAR COST AVERAGING IN 1 MONTH ITS NOT FAIR

>> No.18132404

>>18129192
Boomers turned the stock market into the worlds shittiest casino with day trading and seemingly infinite leverage. The only way to retire is to either hop on the real estate train, and take money form other people every month forever, or get really good at reading and acting on market trends. The days of letting your money work for you are over.

>> No.18132474

>>18129675
the reality is, few people will ever be able to retire. timing the market, time in the market, none of these things matter anymore. Fractional reserves hit zero and will never be going back up, the fed is printing money like it's going out of style. From here on out, saving and investing money is going to be no different than buying lottery tickets.

>> No.18132550

>>18132474
fucking true

>> No.18132591

>>18129459
Kid you are so out of your depth, seriously

>> No.18133539

>>18132474
The Fed has been printing money since their existence.
The stock market has always been a casino