"Everybody works but the vacant lot"

[Anonymous No.18055600]

Fuck landlords
Fuck speculators
Fuck monopolists
and FUCK jannies

[Anonymous No.18055646]

>>18055600
Really low energy, shame on OP.

[Anonymous No.18055694]

>>18055600
>Fuck landlords
so my labor is worth nothing? good to know, faggot.

[Anonymous No.18055712]

>>18055646

[Anonymous No.18055726]

Ahem. Fuck laborers. Fuck the dispossessed. Fuck the fearful. Fuck the sick. But most of all fuck jannies.

[Anonymous No.18055753]

>>18055694
>Collecting rent
>"Labor"

[Anonymous No.18055755]

>>18055600
Another one of these threads.

[Anonymous No.18055765]

>that house on that vacant lot with a living breathing plumbing, sewage, electrical, heating, and cooling system requiring constant upkeep and rehab built itself

[Anonymous No.18055805]

>>18055600
Ok OP, that's a really cute psyop you and you tranny friends got there but the thing you need to understand is that nobody give a a fuck about politics here, we make money, or we try to, that's it.
So maybe bring your windmill fighting prowess to /pol/tards or /his/trionics, I'm sure they will love to debate you.

[Anonymous No.18055811]

>>18055712

[Anonymous No.18055827]

>>18055765
Ok. Compare that house with all those utilities in the middle of NYC and the same exact house with same exact utilities in butt-fuck nowhere.

Are they the same price? What accounts for the difference?

[Anonymous No.18055851]

>>18055600
Working is a sin

[Anonymous No.18055876]

>>18055805
he cute and he based

[Anonymous No.18055890]

>>18055827

Demand and intense city zoning. Take it up with your local shithead politicians.

[Anonymous No.18055948]

>>18055805
A Georgist economic understanding can be used to make money. It basically boils down to the game being rigged for rent-seekers, so on a personal level until the system is fixed the recommendation would be to be a rent-seeker to rig it to your advantage.

The political goal would ultimately be to prevent rent-seeking, but until then it's don't hate the player, hate the game.

[Anonymous No.18055990]

>>18055646
no u
>>18055712
I will cherish this forever

[Anonymous No.18056005]

>hates landlords because they don't work
>wants to get rich by holding internet meme money
how do you reconcile these two things in your head?

[Anonymous No.18056023]

>>18055890
Why is there increased demand for the same good in a city?

If I buy a lot and then sell it later for a higher price when the community around it starts thriving, or charge rent for it, where did the value I earned come from?

[Anonymous No.18056056]

>/leftypol/
Ignorant of Marxism.
Losers who only get ahead through personal connections.
Have no will to survive.
Do not appreciate the sacrifices of their ancestors to build wealth.

[Anonymous No.18056058]

Fuck linkies and commies that hijack memes in a desperate attempt to be based
And fuck jannies

[Anonymous No.18056067]

>>18056023

Proximity. To exciting city things and work. And being near higher-income earning centers means higher earners get into price battles with each other and drive the rent up.

Of course, you could just as easily be on the losing end of this as an RE investor or landlord. Take Detroit or Cleveland for example, lots of people holding huge property bags there.

Maybe you should go to r/realestateinvesting and actually get an idea of how this works. Hate to recommend reddit but this board is purely full of shitcoiners and larping communists at this point.

[flu=flu "corona" virus = mass (...) No.18056098]

>>18055600
land lords do usury with out contributing to life,
speculators obviously too all your mentioned.
Dancing around the fire for better harvest it is not same as actually contributing to the harvest.

Who are jainnies? Sounds gay are you sure you want to do...them?

[Anonymous No.18056110]

>>18055990
No you man, mirroring political incorrect memes turning them into political correctness is gay and pathetic, also it means you people have no creativity at all.
This is nothing but NPC-tier.

[Anonymous No.18056123]

long live the revolution my comrades

[flu=flu "corona" virus = mass (...) No.18056122]

>>18055726
Who are jannies? seams to me everyone want to do ...them

[flu=flu "corona" virus = mass (...) No.18056184]

>>18055805
Politics is for big children they suggest you to imagine, while business men cleans your pockets.

[Anonymous No.18056187]

>>18056005

Investors actually contribute to companies that produce things or provide services. Landlords do neither.

[flu=flu "corona" virus = mass (...) No.18056211]

>>18055827
I guess in this house you can get vaccine?

[Anonymous No.18056229]

>>18056187

>shitcoin and meme stock speculators
>"""""investors"""""""

The landlord tends to a property and keeps it in shape with his own time and resources. He tends to be involved in the general safety of his community (for the sake of property values) and pays property taxes as well, which go towards schools and local government. What does your average obese Chainlink hoarder do?

[Anonymous No.18056299]

>>18056056
>Ignorant of Marxism.
Georgism is much closer to capitalism than communism. He was a vocal and early opponent of Marx.

>>18056067
>Proximity. To exciting city things and work. And being near higher-income earning centers means higher earners get into price battles with each other and drive the rent up.

So the value in this case does not come from the landlord, but the community? He is charging people in order to allow them to be productive.

>Of course, you could just as easily be on the losing end of this as an RE investor or landlord. Take Detroit or Cleveland for example, lots of people holding huge property bags there.

Sure. That argument still doesn't mean it's "fair". Robberies can go wrong but you don't see people saying "Well a lot of robbers get busted, so it's not that wrong to be a robber. They take risks."

I have nothing against most capitalists or people how build and produce things. Rent-seekers are those who collect on a non-productive speculation.

[Anonymous No.18056315]

>>18055600
WORKERS AND RENTERS UNITE!

[Anonymous No.18056325]

>>18055600
based

[Anonymous No.18056380]

>>18056299
>So the value in this case does not come from the landlord, but the community? He is charging people in order to allow them to be productive.

No. Value is derived from demand. If people didn't want a computer it would be worthless. If people didn't want gold it would be worthless. If people don't want to live in a certain area it will be worthless, if they want to live in another area (that humans have mutually agreed upon valuing), it will be valuable. This isn't hard, you're just trying to make it so because you have a specific bone to pick with one particular group of stakeholders.

> Sure. That argument still doesn't mean it's "fair". Robberies can go wrong but you don't see people saying "Well a lot of robbers get busted, so it's not that wrong to be a robber. They take risks."

False equivalence. What I'm saying is that landlording isn't free money and sometimes the renter comes out ahead. In areas like Denver and SF renters are making a literal profit over their landlord as the price to rent ratio is absurd. At that point the only thing the landlord has going for him is the hope that their home values won't plummet.

[Anonymous No.18056382]

>>18056229

I'll just reply to you with some Adam Smith.

"The rent of the land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give. "

-- ch 11, wealth of nations

"As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce."

-- Adam Smith

"[the landlord leaves the worker] with the smallest share with which the tenant can content himself without being a loser, and the landlord seldom means to leave him any more."

-- ch 11, wealth of nations.

"The landlord demands a rent even for unimproved land, and the supposed interest or profit upon the expense of improvement is generally an addition to this original rent. Those improvements, besides, are not always made by the stock of the landlord, but sometimes by that of the tenant. When the lease comes to be renewed, however, the landlord commonly demands the same augmentation of rent as if they had been all made by his own. "

-- ch 11, wealth of nations.

"RENT, considered as the price paid for the use of land, is naturally the highest which the tenant can afford to pay in the actual circumstances. In adjusting the lease, the landlord endeavours to leave him no greater share of the produce than what is sufficient to keep up the stock"

-- ch 11, wealth of nations.

"[Landlords] are the only one of the three orders whose revenue costs them neither labour nor care, but comes to them, as it were, of its own accord, and independent of any plan or project of their own. That indolence, which is the natural effect of the ease and security of their situation, renders them too often, not only ignorant, but incapable of that application of mind"

-- ch 11, wealth of nations.

[Anonymous No.18056407]

>>18056382

Why don't you reply with some of your own critical thinking and not spam another man's 250 year old dogma? What would Adam Smith think about crypto?

[flu=flu "corona" virus = mass (...) No.18056424]

>>18056187
I have suggestion you repeat what you just say in a Popular Peoples Congress according rule of the people (Greek word democracy) and we just cancel land lords. We can always make "Jesus" from one land lord, by hanging in a public place for usury so any one who committed usury could have example dying for their sins. ...oh so you saying marxist commy ... No just hang one for usury . No usury no problem. what is "difficult" to understand by talk easy to realize, that your own ass can be hanged next . Stupid people have respect by fear so be it.

[Anonymous No.18056445]

>>18056382
>>18056407

I mean I can refute point 1 easily.

>
"The rent of the land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give. "

Renters don't live on a bare fucking field, they live in the improvements, the dwelling and all of its systems, this is an archaic idea of the concept of "landlord" that doesn't have any bearing on this discussion.

[Anonymous No.18056447]

>>18055827
>what is supply and demand

[Anonymous No.18056449]

>>18055765
The landlord sure as fuck didn't build it.

[Anonymous No.18056490]

>>18056449

They bought it from the man who did, and then pay to maintain it, which is much more costly than your average dumbass renter understands. Which is why they're a renter and not owning and maintaining a place of their own.

[flu=flu "corona" virus = mass (...) No.18056517]

>>18055851
Yes in deed!

Pure giving

Please do as I request (((Only))) if you can do so with a joy of the little child feeding hungry duck.
Please please please do not do as I request, if there is any of the following mixed in even in the tiniest degree: any fear of punishment if you don't do, any doing it for reword that I like you better if you do, out of any shame or guilt or duty or obligation. Life is too short for us to do anything for each other, if any think like that are mixed up in to the giving.

[Anonymous No.18056542]

>>18056023
The value came from speculation and trading present goods (money for the house) in hope for future goods (increased price of the house). There is nothing wrong with this

[Anonymous No.18056572]

>>18056380
>No. Value is derived from demand. If people didn't want a computer it would be worthless. If people didn't want gold it would be worthless. If people don't want to live in a certain area it will be worthless, if they want to live in another area (that humans have mutually agreed upon valuing), it will be valuable. This isn't hard, you're just trying to make it so because you have a specific bone to pick with one particular group of stakeholders.

You get more dollars for renting out the same place in the city than the country. You say it's from increased demand for being around higher paying jobs. Therefore the value (coming from demand WHICH) comes from the community of higher paying jobs in the area. Where is that wrong? I'm not using any BS Marx labor theory of value.

>False equivalence. What I'm saying is that landlording isn't free money and sometimes the renter comes out ahead. In areas like Denver and SF renters are making a literal profit over their landlord as the price to rent ratio is absurd. At that point the only thing the landlord has going for him is the hope that their home values won't plummet.

It isn't a false equivalence. Robbery isn't free money.

[Anonymous No.18056582]

>>18055600

Buy property, flip or rent it yourselves. This is the way

[Anonymous No.18056611]

>>18056447
>Why is demand different.

[Anonymous No.18056631]

>>18056572
>You get more dollars for renting out the same place in the city than the country. You say it's from increased demand for being around higher paying jobs. Therefore the value (coming from demand WHICH) comes from the community of higher paying jobs in the area. Where is that wrong? I'm not using any BS Marx labor theory of value.

The same is true for every product in the vicinity. Everything. More income leads to higher prices. And not only that, cities usually tax more too, driving prices higher. As I said, this is more an issue with your own myopia and inability to see the entire picture. You've picked one boogeyman and try to pretend they're the only beneficiary of speculation and/or supply and demand... which is absurd. Get the stick out of your ass.

> It isn't a false equivalence. Robbery isn't free money.
…
> A situation where two consenting parties engage in a contractual arrangement for one party to stay in a property owned and maintained by the other is "robbery"

Be careful. Don't get robbed at the Holiday Inn or Hilton.

[Anonymous No.18056655]

>>18056407
it's as true 250 years ago as it is today, scum

[Anonymous No.18056696]

>>18056110
Unlike parroting the NPC meme amirite

[Anonymous No.18056699]

All you anarchists hate taxes, but those taxes give you tendies after the Big Brrr day. You can buy OGN and ZANO with it too.

[Anonymous No.18056721]

>>18056655

>can't refute me with his own justification and sticks to spamming some other fag's ancient dogma revolving landlords renting land to fucking farmers

[Anonymous No.18056730]

>>18056696

no

[Anonymous No.18056818]

>>18056631
>The same is true for every product in the vicinity. Everything. More income leads to higher prices. And not only that, cities usually tax more too, driving prices higher. As I said, this is more an issue with your own myopia and inability to see the entire picture. You've picked one boogeyman and try to pretend they're the only beneficiary of speculation and/or supply and demand... which is absurd. Get the stick out of your ass.

No, there are several very important differences between land and other goods. All those other goods can be transported to and from the city, and they are elastic. The supply isn't fixed which constrains the price if demand gets too high.

The price of food is might be higher in the city but it's nothing in proportion to the differences in real estate.


>> A situation where two consenting parties engage in a contractual arrangement for one party to stay in a property owned and maintained by the other is "robbery"

Land ownership is consensual? Tell that to Native Americans or other indigenous people. Most land owned today was ultimately claimed by force.

[Anonymous No.18056827]

>>18055948
Then I don't need any of the ideological background, and on a pragmatic point of view renting isn't even the most profitable thing to do, nor is it free of risk or free of work, at least not where I live.

If I had a million euros I'll buy stocks and crypto before I even think about buying a flat to rent it to some poorfag.

[Anonymous No.18056884]

>>18056818

You're a meme. Your whole argument is a meme and I'm not going to dance around with it anymore lol.

[Anonymous No.18056905]

>>18056023
From the guy buying it to you.

[Anonymous No.18056975]

>>18056818
>Land ownership is consensual? Tell that to Native Americans or other indigenous people. Most land owned today was ultimately claimed by force
Fucking renters stealing properties.

[Anonymous No.18057041]

>>18056572
>>18056655
I can understand if you're upset with landlords living off of doing nothing, but that's a very hypocritical viewpoint if you yourself want to get rich from holding memecoins (aka doing nothing) yourself

[Anonymous No.18057045]

>>18056975
>Fucking renters stealing properties.
>Buying a stolen good makes it not stolen.

[Anonymous No.18057073]

>>18057041
People don't need memecoins to live on though.

[Anonymous No.18057115]

>>18057073

"People" can live in a tent if they have to. What ever did we do before the establishment of modern structures and property. So you want to pretend we're communal on one hand but enjoy all of the other benefits of modern, regulated society. Lmfao

[Anonymous No.18057146]

Stop replying to communists. They don't want a conversation they want a soapbox. Remind them that all communists belong in death camps, along with their family members. Then move on.

[Anonymous No.18057170]

Being a landlord is like storing work in a battery. I worked my whole life as a wager, earned my money, saved my money, and then became a landlord so I don’t have to work no more

[Anonymous No.18057207]

>>18057115
The value of land IS communal. Other things like capital, labor, and investments aren't.

Read a little bit of George. It isn't the hug-box communist idealism I believe you think it is.

[Anonymous No.18057222]

>>18057045
>Stolen
Conquered

[Anonymous No.18057266]

>>18057222
>Conquered
Aight imma just "conquere" your house then.

[Anonymous No.18057336]

>>18057266
Then i shoot you.

[Anonymous No.18057398]

>>18057336
Nope I'll shoot you first and "conquere" all your stuff fair and square.

[Anonymous No.18057482]

>>18057398
What if i shoot you first?
Also, if our military power is equal, why don't we just start negotiating?

[Anonymous No.18057486]

>>18057336
your guns will mean shit if you ever have to leave the house

[Anonymous No.18057572]

>>18057486
The reason why i'm inside my house.

[Anonymous No.18057579]

>>18055600
the stupider you are the more work. Pay per performance FTW

[Anonymous No.18057746]

>>18056187
Not on the secondary market. Unless you participate in IPOs/SEOs, you don’t contribute shit.

[Anonymous No.18058187]

>>18056818
>Most land owned today was ultimately claimed by force.
It's the case of every property though, ultimately the only reason you can own something is that at some point so.eone asserted such or such thing as his property and had enough might to guarantee the respect of said property, either because the community rolled with it or because he had enough power to silence any opposition.

It true for real estate but also for every material goods.

[Anonymous No.18058860]

>>18058187
>It's the case of every property though, ultimately the only reason you can own something is that at some point so.eone asserted such or such thing as his property and had enough might to guarantee the respect of said property, either because the community rolled with it or because he had enough power to silence any opposition.

While technically true if you have no consistent moral claim other than "it's backed by force", you'll have no way to convince others that your claim is legitimate if someone else tries to take your things. You need some sort of moral code to organize a civilization with a higher standard of living. Logical inconsistency and appeal to "might makes right" in the moral code will lead to conflict.

> It true for real estate but also for every material goods.

No, we have a pretty consistent moral code for other goods. Free trade, keep the fruits of labor, consensual contracts, ect.

[Anonymous No.18059388]

>>18058860
>You need some sort of moral code to organize a civilization with a higher standard of living. Logical inconsistency and appeal to "might makes right" in the moral code will lead to conflict.
Rule of law and customs worked well enough so far, and there's no reason to belive any made up system would end up better for the people as a whole. "X own Y because the state says so" is good enough for me as long as the states stay stable and predictable in its policy, and it's good enough to have a working civilization. I don't see so much conflicts regarding land ownership that the humanity should rework the framework that's in place since at least antiquity.

Anyways as far as I'm concerned it's politics, and politics are a loss of energy and time as neither you or me will ever be in power. You're clearly smart if you can play with these big concepts but you should put your intelligence to a better use.

[Anonymous No.18060352]

>>18055765
None of which you built. None of which you added value to continuously.

[Anonymous No.18060429]

>>18056380
No. Value is derived from scarcity. There is a huge demand for water, yet it has little marketed value. Rent seeking is syphoning wealth and adding no value. It is the ethic of the parasite. All classic economists hated it as all should.

[Anonymous No.18060563]

Where were you when Trump solidified the landed elite in America?

[Anonymous No.18060608]

>>18060429
>No. Value is derived from scarcity
It's supply AND demand

[Anonymous No.18060626]

>>18055753
i had to work really hard to buy those apartments

[Anonymous No.18060804]

>>18056449
>>18060352
The people who built the home did so for money. This money was paid to the house builders by the landlord, money renters do not have. Landlords provide what is essentially subsidised housing. Learn how the world works.

[Anonymous No.18060862]

>>18060626
>i had to work really hard to buy those apartments
You see this is the problem with you boomers. What you don't understand is that you worked really hard for the sake of not having to work anymore. The problem is, the work needed to be done won't just disappear since you created high standards from working very hard, and now expect them. What happens is that, because you decided to work really hard for 10 years to retire because you could, now everyone has to work really hard for the rest of their lives but without the ability to retire anymore because the opportunities to do so are gone since they were only there because of lucky timing anyways.

So, essentially, you used your work as a down payment to take a massive loan for retirement that only future generations would have to pay out. This is why you people are the cancer of society.

[Anonymous No.18061164]

>>18060804
No. Banks own the property and “owners” syphon off part of the banks mortgage for a fee. They do the dirty work of the bank and enable a corrupt and disgusting system. Literally no modern construction is produced for some entrepreneur landlords out there. Zero.
Learn how things actually work, you dumb fucking nigger.

[Anonymous No.18061464]

>>18055600
Holy based

[Anonymous No.18061572]

>>18056056
Georgism is literally the most market oriented ideology out there goyim

Shame on OP for presenting his case poorly

[Anonymous No.18061616]

>>18057207

I honestly don't trust anyone who's small minded enough to take particular umbrage with landlords. Anyone can be a landlord. Not everyone can be super power financiers like the banks who finance landlords and make money off of money. Know your enemy.

[Anonymous No.18061638]

>>18060429

>there is huge demand for water

There is only as much demand as people want to drink. There aren't "that many" properties in a desirable location. Sure, go ahead and plop a trailer in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, she's all yours faggot. Costs about $20k tops.

[Anonymous No.18061661]

>>18060862

>EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO WORK UNTIL THE DAY THEY DIE

why are commies like this

[Anonymous No.18061680]

>I don't have a house so I'm going to be mad at the people that do

[Anonymous No.18061734]

>>18061680
>I think that taxes on labor and capital are economically inefficient and morally indefensible so I think a single tax on land would foster economic development and eliminate unproductive rent seeking as a side effect

fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.18061744]

>>18060862
>now everyone has to work really hard for the rest of their lives but without the ability to retire anymore because the opportunities to do so are gone since they were only there because of lucky timing anyways.
Don't boomers have children? They'll inherit

[Anonymous No.18061789]

This thread sucks

[Anonymous No.18062273]

Bump for laborers keeping 100% of their labor and capitalists keeping 100% of their captial, but the earth being owned by all

[Anonymous No.18062289]

>>18061734

We already have property taxes, idiot. It's why your rent isn't 30% cheaper.

[Anonymous No.18062305]

>>18061680
wtf that's full on penetration

[Anonymous No.18062340]

>>18061616
smart anon
pick and choose who you trust
landlords are by-and-large average people just trying to make it like you and I
Anyone who has a bone to pick with them is short-sighted and can't see past their own faggotry.

[Anonymous No.18062396]

>>18061616

Well our housing crisis isn't a result of finance investors it is a result of housing policy. Georgism is a direct fix for that problem.

LVT is the least bad tax. I believe it is named poorly, because it is not really about land it is about the three dimensional space you can purchase. That box radically different values based on if it is in Manhattan or a field in Wyoming. LVT is about the community value produced around you that you profit from in your box. In this system you don't get penalized for your property improvements, but you do get taxed based on the change amenities you get by the community around you which you benefit in selling power.

A problem we have now is those in dense areas are always incentivized to vote for infrastructure, because those outside the pay the larger load. In LVT citizen have the incentive to actual weigh the yes or no to public spending, because the increase in land value and convinence may not equal the cost in LVT and the merits of the program. (Think every unprofitable light rail and subway)

[Anonymous No.18062423]

>>18062289
Land value taxation is distinct from property taxes in a number of very important ways. In a properly designed LVT system there would be no incentive to use property except in the manner most consistent with it's highest and best use in the free market, whereas under a property tax system, you'll often see people sticking a few cows on development land and calling it a farm for massive tax breaks.

Most would agree that we need to raise revenue to have a state. Taxes based on the market value of land are the most objectively fair and economically efficient (they are the only tax that doesn't penalize production) taxes out there.

[Anonymous No.18062443]

Thank you to all the anons who are making based OC Henry George and LVT memes!!! We will make this a LVT board, and then the world!

[Anonymous No.18062505]

>>18062340
>>18061616

I don't have a bone to pick with landlords. Just the practice of earning rent. I would rather landlords learn and understand why it's wrong, and reform laws to capture the rent value of land.

I'm sure there were plenty of small time slave-owners who treated their slaves very well and made sure they were happy and healthy. That doesn't exempt them from the ethical criticism of slavery in principle, and make me go "oh no, it's only those large plantations who treat them like chattel that are the bad guys".

[Anonymous No.18062550]

>>18062505

>the practice of earning rent

How about the practice of desiring a place to live in temporarily without dealing with all of the headache of finding a place to buy, buying it, maintaining it, taking on the risk of the investment, then having to sell it once you want to move? Do you tell them: "no, you're wrong, I'm right, the market should do what I want because I've decided this service in particular is bad" and then make them deal with that process?

[Anonymous No.18062566]

>>18062443
I think we should start an eternal George thread so we can get these ideas out there in a refined and succinct way.

There are very few people who truly understand Georgism and disagree with it. Except ancaps but nobody takes them seriously anyway.

[Anonymous No.18062597]

>>18062566
Ok - I will dump all my LVT memes so anons can be equipped for future threads.

[Anonymous No.18062625]

[Anonymous No.18062641]

[Anonymous No.18062657]

[Anonymous No.18062684]

>>18055827
>>18056299
>>18057207
Extremely based OC.

[Anonymous No.18062721]

Please stop dumping the 90 IQ facebook boomer memes.

[Anonymous No.18062759]

>>18062721

[Anonymous No.18062772]

>>18060862
Are you saying you should make saving money illegal?

[Anonymous No.18062782]

[Anonymous No.18062802]

>>18062759

Oh look, something useful

[Anonymous No.18062803]

[Anonymous No.18062807]

>>18062550
Unbelievably correct and based

[Anonymous No.18062820]

>>18055827
Are you really this dumb, More people want to live there, and so more people are willing to pay a higher amount of their money to live there.

[Anonymous No.18062846]

>>18062625
>>18062641
>>18062657
>>18062684
>>18062759
Extremely based and George-pilled. Keep up the good work Anon.

[Anonymous No.18062847]

>>18061661
that's quite literally the opposite of what he said

[Anonymous No.18062907]

>>18062550
Thank you, o merciful landlord, for creating the land for me to live on. Without your diligent maintenance it would fall into the sea.

Who should I pay for the privilege of breathing air? Surely they are deserving just as much for providing this essential good.

[Anonymous No.18062912]

>>18062550
how about the practice of being provided with a place to live by society so you don't freeze to death?
jesus, that should be the bare fucking minimum, how the fuck are people this retarded
>you should be fucking happy you get to be a slave just to live, so you don't need to go through the hassle of enslaving others for the privilege!

[Anonymous No.18062928]

Real estate investors make money based on their risk.
If I buy some land for 300k
Borrow 2Mill development finance which interest is paid 0.75%/month
I can sell it for 3M once built

However the risk is if the market drops by the time it is finished, or many other problems such as planning etc, my development can drag on, meaning my loan costs have gone up, potentially losing tons of money.

Now if I am to pull this off with a 500k profit, damn right I have earned it

[Anonymous No.18062930]

[Anonymous No.18063025]

my sister is building a house, and a hospital started construction nearvy a few weeks later
my sister's house jumped up in value despite not even being finished yet
under a land value tax, whould't the tax go up so that my sister couldn't afford her own house? Her dream, custom house that she hired engineers and architects to build? Would she be forced to sell because she can't afford the tax anymore, even though when she choose the lot and started building it was affordable and made perfect sense? How would shit like this ever be considered fair?
Houses are durable, they usualy last about 50 years or even more with maintenance. When people build houses they want security. Nobody is gonna build housing if the land value tax can double or triple only 2 years after you built your house and be forced to sell
Georgism is terribly unfair and thankfuly it's never gonna happen

[Anonymous No.18063046]

>>18062802
>>18062759

[Anonymous No.18063058]

>>18062912

Commie post, into the trash it goes. Next!

>>18062907

Stupid and irrelevant snarky post. You can buy your own fucking house if you feel like it. Here let me dig up some links for you:

Zillow.com

redfin.com

trulia.com

Happy hunting! Hopefully mommy's allowance will be enough for your down payment.

[Anonymous No.18063063]

[Anonymous No.18063066]

>>18062928
Risk=/=productive.

See about robbery
>>18056299

[Anonymous No.18063072]

>>18056445
>the landlord built the apartments
lmao @ you

[Anonymous No.18063073]

>>18063058
landlord detected
into the trash his head goes

[Anonymous No.18063085]

>>18062846
>>18062802

[Anonymous No.18063127]

Here's one for all the commies ITT

[Anonymous No.18063149]

[Anonymous No.18063167]

[Anonymous No.18063176]

>>18063073

>you make madposts on 4chan
>I make cash hand over fist to reinvest thanks to my patience and prudence

Imagine whining about investors on /biz/. LMFAO

[Anonymous No.18063178]

>>18063025
Land and humans are the most valuable assets on the global market, have been since the dawn of time. Any powerful interests understand this.

[Anonymous No.18063188]

>>18063025
That super evaluation is also a directive consequence of housing speculation. Stop speculating on housing and that shit won't be as bad.

[Anonymous No.18063205]

>>18063073
Fuck landlords. Worthless scum. Get a job you degenerate chuckle fuck!

[Anonymous No.18063209]

[Anonymous No.18063210]

>>18063072
what kind of retardation is this? he paid the construction workers who built the apartment
you're posting from your computer or phone, are those things not yours because you didn't built them yourself too?

[Anonymous No.18063233]

>>18063066
They house productive people (most of the time)

[Anonymous No.18063265]

>>18063058
What you're essentially saying is that it's ethical because you can in principle "win" it.

But honestly, apply the same argument to air. What if all the air around you was owned by someone, and you had to pay a subscription to breath it? Sure, if you save up enough you can buy your own air and charge others to breath it. You can talk all day about how you worked hard to get your own air and now that you own the air you earned the right to charge others.

But no one ever made the air. You're at that point just perpetuating an extortion scheme.

[Anonymous No.18063308]

>>18063265

Who "owns" all raw natural resources that were extracted? Super deep anon. So you're telling me all that we have, is from the natural world? Why, then everything must belong to everyone. Really fucking deep. I mean, my noggin is joggin at 12 mph.

[Anonymous No.18063339]

>>18055765
>building a house is collecting rent
>maintaining a house is collecting rent
nice try but keep them coming

[Anonymous No.18063365]

>>18063176
landlords are not investors, they're pure parasites

[Anonymous No.18063380]

>>18063265
I want a homestead and I don't want a bunch of useless city fags fucking up my garden. What's unethical about that? Ownership of land seems perfectly natural to me.

[Anonymous No.18063386]

>>18055600
complete waste of dubs
back to r/leftypol.

[Anonymous No.18063394]

>>18063339
>>18063365

>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT GO AND GET COMPENSATED FOR INVESTING TIME AND MONEY INTO THE BUILDING AND UPKEEP OF A PROPERTY SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO USE THATS WRONG NOOOO
>MOMMY AND DADDY LET ME STAY AT THEIR PLACE FOR FREE SO SHOULD THE BIG MEANY HEAD LANDLORD

[Anonymous No.18063405]

>>18063308
No you fucking retard. The whole point is that laborers should keep 100% of what they make. We can eliminate taxes on labor by increasing taxes on the market value of land.

So instead of earning a living by renting houses to people, you could earn a greater return on your capital by deploying it productively.

[Anonymous No.18063408]

another question for georgists:
if the land "belongs to everyone", then do you believe in borders? After all, it's wrong to keep those poor 60IQ africans alway from your expensive land, right?
Do georgists support mass immigration? That's the only logical conclusion to their ideology

[Anonymous No.18063416]

>>18060804
99% of the time the landlord merely purchased an already existing asset, they did not contract its construction, they simply contributed to asset price inflation, nothing else.

[Anonymous No.18063431]

>>18063380
Exclusive use of land is essential to making it work.

>>18063386
Georgism is a right wing ideology.

[Anonymous No.18063440]

>>18063408
"fuck niggers" is the core of neoclassical economics

[Anonymous No.18063442]

>>18063405

This is economically illiterate world salad. I'm just happy you people have no influence whatsoever and can just frolic about in your little mental sandbox here thinking you're making any logical sense, and that this isn't all really about the fact that you're mad about having to pay rent. Imagine rent being your biggest concern in life... Jesus.

[Anonymous No.18063445]

>>18063265

Yes, all profits from the sale of raw natural resources should be evenly distributed. Including rent value of land.

Then after companies or individuals purchase or pay rent to everyone for exclusive use of these resources, they should be entitled to 100% of the profits of whatever they make or do with it afterwards.

That was in essence George's idea.

[Anonymous No.18063466]

>>18063408
Fuck no is the short answer. I don't support internationalism or globalism at all, but do believe those places would be better off with LVT systems in their countries.

[Anonymous No.18063467]

>>18063416

The construction is contracted with the expectation that it will be a value holding structure that doesn't rapidly depreciate. The cost is passed on to the landlord. You fags are the most donkey brained little tunnel visioned idiots I've ever had the displeasure of talking to on this board and my biggest regret of the crash so far is that you've taken this as an opportunity to jump up on your soap box and spew this retardation day after day. No doubt.

[Anonymous No.18063544]

>>18063442
I could more correctly be characterized as 'more mad about paying income taxes'.

I actually think a landlord should be able to earn a return from maintaing a nice property. But you are a larplord anyway LMFAO. You just wouldn't be able to charge a premium on site value.

[Anonymous No.18063591]

If you want to blame anyone for the popularity of renting and problems that come with it, don't blame landlords. Blame parents. Parents are the ones that tell their children to acquire student loan debt, depriving them of years of saving for a house (society is to blame for the cost of that schooling). They're the ones that fail to teach their children how to buy and then pay down a house. They don't teach their children how to perform basic maintenance on the house or how to not get screwed over if they need a repairman. They're the ones that push their children out of the nest. They're the ones that teach poor spending and saving habits.
These things create a market for landlords even if houses were very affordable. It has become more complicated and the popularity of renting has had significant negative consequences, but there is still a need for it in our modern society. Of the people I know, I am sure that perhaps a quarter could never own a home. Assuming they could pay a down payment, they'd either fail to make payments or literally destroy the place. Comparatively, it's pretty simple to pay a landlord a set amount for them to take care of everything. This appeals to more people today than maybe ever before. Renting isn't going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.18063596]

>>18063544

Let me share something with you bucko. I'm already paying fuckhuge property taxes thanks to my Jewy Democratic local city government, and that cost is passed on to the minimum I will go in my rent rates. So go ahead and keep thinking your meme is going to magically solve anything rather than making rent even more astronomical. Imagine an actually free housing market where supply was easily built and prices were kept decent organically. You just want more cronyism and Jewyness and probably don't even realize it.

[Anonymous No.18063648]

>>18063442
buzzwords: the post

[Anonymous No.18063654]

>>18063467
>The construction is contracted with the expectation that it will be a value holding structure that doesn't rapidly depreciate.
Actually in countries where landlords are strictly regulated residential properties are constructed with the expectation that they will provide a home for people to live in. Shocking huh?

[Anonymous No.18063675]

>>18063596
Right, and I think you should probably be paying more in property taxes, but no income taxes, sales taxes, etc.. If anything, it'd put a hard cap on government spending and confiscatory taxes.

This is not tough to understand. It's literally what made FA Hayek go and study economics. Read a book and stop pretending to be a landlord on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18063722]

>>18063654

Sure thing senpai. Let's take a look at the rent to income ratio in the most "heavily regulated" housing markets of America:

…

Wait wait wait. I thought government interventionism was supposed to HELP egregious rent rates, not literally be the reason why they are exorbitant. B-b-but Cali and NY have rent controls!

[Anonymous No.18063755]

>>18063675

>This is not tough to understand

And yet you still don't understand it yourself. You sit on your cute little Fisher Price pulpit and flag wave your magic tax just like all the other magic taxes before it like it won't be perverted and used to squeeze common people by crony governments like anything before it. The solution isn't more government, so stop. It's freer markets.

[Anonymous No.18063778]

>>18063722
So in your estimation, are landlords in NYC providing a better service than those in Toledo?

[Anonymous No.18063789]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wpmtwDPEFw

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/02/henry-georges-land-value-tax-idea-whose-time-come/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXEM7fgGDc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wpmtwDPEFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpqtfMraJvU

[Anonymous No.18063807]

>>18063778

Fuck no. As I've said... A THOUSAND TIMES IN THESE THREADS... your rent price gouging is on behalf of crony, super powerful local governments refusing to let any new development take place and only letting the cocksuckers own and rent property in their areas. The artificially limited supply and high property taxes means rents go insanely high. This is your "Georgist utopia", NYC and San Fran.

[Anonymous No.18063816]

“Progress and Poverty” full audio book: https://librivox.org/progress-and-poverty-by-henry-george/

[Anonymous No.18063824]

>>18063722
Maybe the penny will drop and you will realize who the government serves? Maybe not though, your previous posts suggest you are mentally deficient.

[Anonymous No.18063831]

>>18063596
now imagine if you will
1. you weren't a massive faggot with a horse dildo in your ass
2. whatever income you make from you job (if you even have one) was 25 larger because you didn't pay any taxes on it.
3. all of the things you bough cost less because you didn't have to pay taxes on them
and
4 generally all the money you save from other things not being taxed being far greater than the increase in the taxes you pay on the lease you signed to the government so that they would let you borrow that land while you're alive

because guess what nigger, you don't own that shit. don't even respond to this post with "hurr durr yes I do" just go fucking kill yourself so that the state can reposes the land youre borrowing from them when none of you family (if you have any; which you probably don't) cant pay the massive fees the state will charge to pass the property down.

[Anonymous No.18063855]

>>18063789
Henry George for Social Science on Youtube often have interesting videos. Worth a follow.

[Anonymous No.18063879]

>>18063807
That's just retarded. I'm against regulations, I did not bring that up. I agree that zoning restricis the housing supply.

But what you don't get is that, despite bullshit liberal regulations, demand in those areas are still the highest and command the highest rents, simply because of the location value.

That value, which is not created by the landlord, is a better base for taxation than people's income, which they actually did create.

[Anonymous No.18063882]

>>18063824

>who the government serves

Oh, make no mistake anon. We ALL serve the government. The entity that can tax and imprison at will, and print money endlessly, is the master of us all. Those among you who think it's landlords or corporations calling the shots are beyond delusional, we're all dancing to their beat.

>>18063831

Nuclear grade cope. Looks like I've got at least one of you in the bodybag.

[Anonymous No.18063892]

>>18060862
hello based department

[Anonymous No.18063897]

[Anonymous No.18063914]

>>18063855
Thanks, I'll check it out.

[Anonymous No.18063919]

>I want to make an argument that collecting money on your investment is immoral
>which board should I go to
Not this one, faggot

[Anonymous No.18063952]

>>18063879

No one creates any value. Value is just what people want. This singling out of one group of profit seekers in a capitalist economy full of them is autistic and clearly derived from a localistic hatred of the guy you have to hand a check over to on a monthly basis. People who own their own houses don't even think about this shit. Actually, I think I'm going to sit here and conjure up some autistic economic model that singles out my mortgage lender and characterizes them as the source of all of my ills.

[Anonymous No.18063961]

>>18063914
Alternate version

[Anonymous No.18063970]

>>18063914
Literally what is your argument? That I have to work until I die? Is that the life you want?

[Anonymous No.18063981]

>>18063882
88IQ absolute cringepost

[Anonymous No.18063993]

>>18063914

Now this is sounding like it was literally sponsored by Goldman Sachs and Bank of America lmfao

[Anonymous No.18064014]

>>18063952
>No one creates any value.

So I'm imagining that income taxes exist? you can do better than that

[Anonymous No.18064015]

>>18063981

>a rentbrain trying to accuse me of double digit IQ

When does your shift at the gas station start?

[Anonymous No.18064039]

>>18064014

Anon, you think income taxes are evidence for the natural existence of value?

[Anonymous No.18064066]

>>18055694
It kind of isn't; You are not even based Fedual Lords that run counties and provide Armies.

[Anonymous No.18064090]

>>18064066
Tell that to the negress who is calling a plumber because she put 15 plastic bottle caps down her garbage disposal

[Anonymous No.18064092]

>>18064039
I think if I make a painting and sell it for $100, the painter should retain $100.

[Anonymous No.18064109]

>>18060862
Calls boomers lucky

Is alive and knows about bitcoin.

Can't wait for future generations to say how your(our) Generation were the luckiest. stop whining, go get a job, stack BTC, wait 5 years and retire. that easy.

[Anonymous No.18064124]

>>18064092

Why? That's just some oil solution and paper derived from trees. That belongs to the people you crony faggot.

[Anonymous No.18064186]

>>18056490
the tenant could just pay the builders directly. landlords have no purpose.

[Anonymous No.18064210]

>>18064186

They can do that right now! Only costs $300-400k in a midmajor city, get on it :)

[Anonymous No.18064237]

>>18064124
Are you capable of forming a thought without resorting to madposting?

Taxes on income are morally unjustifiable. Most libertarians would agree with that. Your labor does not prevent anyone else from earning income.

Yet, if your great grandfather got a land grant for 150k acres in 1899, he could park himself there and rent fields for farmers and you would not have to lift a finger up into the present day.

Georgism is just a better way to raise public revenue. All the insults in the world arent' going to make you right. Funamentally, holding land isn't a productive economic activity and it does prevent other people from earning income.

I think where most of my pals in this thread go astray is that they don't really grasp the difference between regular rent and ricardian rents, but it's not hugely important. If you're going to say taxes on land are bad, I'd like you justify why you think taxes on labor and capital are better.

[Anonymous No.18064254]

>>18063970
>Literally what is your argument? That I have to work until I die? Is that the life you want?
I believe that if I don't work, that I will deteriorate and die. I have no intention of ever retiring.

On the subject of Georgism, and Land Value Taxes, the argument is the following:

>Taxes are a necessary evil, due to the need for collective defense and a collective criminal justice system.
>What is the least bad tax?
>A tax with the smallest deadweight loss to the economy is the least bad tax
>A land value tax has 0 deadweight loss, therefore it is the least bad tax, and therefore it is the best tax

There is also the Georgist argument about property rights:

>You own yourself.
>You own all things that are a product of your own labor and mind.
>It is unjust to tax wages, capital gains, property, interest, dividends, inheritance, transactions, etc, because these are the products of people's labor and minds.
>Land and natural resources are not the product of anyone's labor or mind.
>Therefore land and natural resources cannot be "owned" by anyone.
>Therefore it is just to only have a single tax on land values.

[Anonymous No.18064316]

>>18064237
>Are you capable of forming a thought without resorting to madposting?

I'm not madposting. I'm using your exact logic. You think "landlording" is some kind of distinct, universal concept when it isn't. It's someone else's time and money that you are paying a fee for getting. Nothing in this world is owed to a person.

> Yet, if your great grandfather got a land grant for 150k acres in 1899, he could park himself there and rent fields for farmers and you would not have to lift a finger up into the present day.

Over and over again you keep resorting to some antiquated concept of mass-landholder and conflating that with the modern notion of a landlord which maintains an improved property (that stays improved, not rotting back into the ground).

> If you're going to say taxes on land are bad, I'd like you justify why you think taxes on labor and capital are better.

I don't. Income taxes are wage slavery. Corporate taxes are barely justified. We should offload the burden back onto tariffs and the global business elite who sell to Americans and then produce in chinkholes for pennies on the dollar. These are the richest men on the planet and you're worried about some small time land squatters.

[Anonymous No.18064355]

>>18055600
You faggots should stop obsessing over landlords and start obsessing over the real cancer of modern society, digital landlords i.e copyright owners.

[Anonymous No.18064401]

>>18060804
>buy all the property, raising costs through the roof
>charge whatever i want for it
>poorfags can't cope because i own all of it and use the state to kick them off of it

[Anonymous No.18064450]

>>18064316
>Over and over again you keep resorting to some antiquated concept of mass-landholder

That was literally the first time but whatever. The point is that land has value, and that value is not created by the person holding the land. Good schools get priced in to land values immediately.... should it be yours to keep? I do not think that it should, and if we could accomplish that while eliminating income taxes, all the better.

>tariffs

This falls on the end consumer. I personally think free trade is beneficial. And it is objectively true that land value taxation creates no deadweight loss-- taxing imports results in fewer imports, and then less revenue.

[Anonymous No.18064457]

>>18062550
>all of the headache of finding a place to buy,
>paying someone to be a real estate agent is the same thing as paying rent
>buying it,
>paying a builder is the same thing as paying rent
>maintaining it,
>paying contractors is the same thing as paying rent
>taking on the risk of the investment,
>paying rent is the same thing as paying for insurance
>then having to sell it
>paying a real estate agent is paying rent

you have no idea what you're talking about, do you? none of the "service" landlords charge is fairly priced, because it's all a monopoly price. it's a fundamentally different economic relation.

[Anonymous No.18064493]

>>18064457
Do you understand the difference between normal rents and ricardian rents?

[Anonymous No.18064526]

>>18063058
wow find an argument anytime

[Anonymous No.18064562]

>>18063308

[Anonymous No.18064568]

>>18064355
Same thing from the Georgist perspective. Economic rents are still rents.

[Anonymous No.18064573]

>>18064450
>That was literally the first time but whatever. The point is that land has value, and that value is not created by the person holding the land. Good schools get priced in to land values immediately.... should it be yours to keep? I do not think that it should, and if we could accomplish that while eliminating income taxes, all the better.

The person holding the land captures the value of rising demand. Like someone who owns gold. Or silver. Or stocks. Or crypto. Or who lives in a country that happens to be productive and valuable. Shit, even countries are just lines and abstractions, why do those exist? Do the countries own that land? No that belongs to the universe. What are we even doing here, letting people buy their own property and do what they want with it? Absurd, we should be back in tent communities like Native Americans.

> This falls on the end consumer. I personally think free trade is beneficial. And it is objectively true that land value taxation creates no deadweight loss-- taxing imports results in fewer imports, and then less revenue.
>this falls on the end consumer

This... after all of that waxing poetic about a "land tax" and how it's going to cure all. And you unironically don't think it's going to discourage land ownership overall for the private citizen.

>>18064457

>all a monopoly price
>when landlords are competing with 1,000 other landlords in a city.

Major galaxy brain entering the thread here. Stand aside.

[Anonymous No.18064594]

>>18063394
>charging for the labor of maintaining something is the same as using a state-granted monopoly on natural resources to extort fees from people

[Anonymous No.18064614]

>>18064594

>state granted monopoly that also involves thousands of other competing entities

Again. Massive, massive think here. Possibly the most competitive economic space is also a monopoly at the same time.

[Anonymous No.18064616]

>>18063408
if niggers are so stupid,their labor can't be nearly as valuable as yours, right?

you're not against meritocracy, are you anon?

[Anonymous No.18064661]

anybody notice how like maybe 20% of this thread is actually about georgian economic policy? weird.

[Anonymous No.18064662]

>>18063408
The borders are determined by what lands the government/military is able to physically protect.

[Anonymous No.18064698]

>>18063855
>Henry George School of Social Science
https://www.youtube.com/user/HGSOSS

[Anonymous No.18064715]

>>18063394
>implying the average landlord does ANY improvements at all on his crappy apartments

[Anonymous No.18064787]

>>18057398
Unironically this
Slaves obey your masters

[Anonymous No.18064789]

>>18064573
>own land
>state builds a road adjacent to my land
>value goes up

Look at me mom, I'm 'capturing value'. Imagine defending stealing people's wages to preserve this system.

When did anyone say it's 'cure all' or is 'a utopia'. I find your arguments to be pretty weak and that fact that you have to put words in my mouth speaks to this.

[Anonymous No.18064811]

>>18064789
of course their arguments are weak. they are trying to argue that landlords are not parasites. it's like trying to argue 2+2 does not equal 4.

[Anonymous No.18064832]

>>18064789

The government takes property taxes. If the value of my property goes up, those taxes go up too.

WHAT

IN

THE

FUCK

ARE
YOU
ARGUING

[Anonymous No.18064836]

>>18064811
I mean, you guys also get it wrong in that people seem to confuse normal rents with ricardian rents.

For me, it all depends on how the landlord is using the the land. I don't see a need for 100% owner occupied properties.

[Anonymous No.18064861]

>>18064832
>>18064789

To continue:

I pay property taxes on the property
If I want to sell, I pay capital gains taxes as well
If I want to rent it out, I pay income taxes on the rents

Imagine being so thick that you think landlords aren't getting jewed from all corners by the government ALREADY. AS IT STANDS. No no honey add another one on top of that I'm sure that will drive rents down.

[Anonymous No.18064862]

>>18064832
That they shouldn't increase your taxes if you build a nice house on your property? That your tax rate should be determined by the free market rather than an assessor? That they way we caluclate property taxes is all wrong can be easily gamed?

it's in there somewhere

[Anonymous No.18064870]

>>18064789
The opposite is also likely to happen, it's a risk.

[Anonymous No.18064901]

>>18064861
neat anon, not like I've advocated the complete elmination of cap gains and income taxes or anything... are you an LLC? I seem to recall you being in favor of corporate income taxes somewhere up there

[Anonymous No.18064911]

>>18063445
Meant for
>>18063308

[Anonymous No.18064926]

>>18064254
>I believe that if I don't work, that I will deteriorate and die. I have no intention of ever retiring.
Good, we need slaves like you. Go and work for me then, slave. Otherwise you will deteriorate.

[Anonymous No.18064941]

>>18064870
They're gonna take the road out?

[Anonymous No.18064942]

landlords are gonna be rounded up and have their throats cut by the end of this corona stuff, gonna be a great show!

[Anonymous No.18064953]

>>18064789
>>18064811
>dude owning land isn't fair
Isn't it nice that you've found a loophole that will provide with unfair wealth. Now go ahead and use it by buying property. You figured it all out, put it in practice.

[Anonymous No.18064959]

>>18064901
>>18064862

This is just another tax. Like all taxes, all it will do is shave off the top and discourage positive things. I'm still at a loss as to how you think "this one" will be different or won't just be a repackaging of the suite of taxes we already face as a society, indeed as landlords. Off the top of my head, I could literally take 50% off my going rents if my taxes were gone, but then that's way less money in the government's pocket. As with all things, yet again, this circles back to government money grubbery causing the common people to fight amongst themselves like puppets on string.

[Anonymous No.18064978]

>>18064942
I got a second apartment from my dead grandma and I'm renting it out because I don't want to sell my grandmas apartment. Clearly I deserve to die because of this

[Anonymous No.18064985]

>>18064926
I'm not convinced that anyone is truly free. It's part of the human condition.

[Anonymous No.18064988]

>>18064953
I've thought about it for a long time. Kinda underpins my philosophy in crypto desu.

i'm just a guy that thinks land is the best base for taxation, and it should be based on the real market value of land.

[Anonymous No.18064997]

>>18064978

Yeah don't worry anon, the cabal of limp wristed smelly little basement anons spamming /biz/ right now with death threats are going to do any more than get knocked over by the first gust of wind should they emerge into the daylight.

[Anonymous No.18065000]

>>18064959
It's not "just another tax'
literally
the entire point
is to eliminate every tax except for a tax on land values

[Anonymous No.18065010]

>>18055600
i am 2 out of 4 of those things ;)

[Anonymous No.18065012]

>>18065000
but all taxes discourage good things, like smoking and polluting

[Anonymous No.18065015]

>>18065000

And the entity dictating this rate, shall be the one that receives this form of compensation. And they shall make it MASSIVE, since it will now be their only form of revenue, and fundamentally rupture the concept of home ownership as we know it. The only people able to afford it will be the huge players that have capital and economy of scale. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.18065072]

>>18065015
Anon, this is why I have emphasized that this is a tax on the
MARKET VALUE
of land. Were it not a tax on the actual market value, then I would not support it.

Like you pointed out, in most cases, it's really not that different from the property taxes you pay right now, except that there is no penalty for improving your property. For some people it might be more, for other less.

The whole idea is not to be antagonistic to production.

[Anonymous No.18065095]

>>18065015
The government only makes money from a land value tax if the tax is low enough such that people can afford to do business with the land. Exactly how private landlords only make money if the rent is low enough such that people can afford to do business with the land. Same concept, different beneficiaries.

[Anonymous No.18065105]

>>18065072

If it cannot support the status of an ever growing government it will never come to fruition. You're peddling a fantasy, similar to Marxists, where the government willingly limits itself and its own revenue. That would be wonderful, and it isn't happening.

[Anonymous No.18065141]

>>18065105
You're just grasping at straws anon. I could say the same thing about you advocating tariffs.

I apologize that other people were rude to you. You haven't been pleasant yourself. I'd encourage you to at least read the wiki page of progress and poverty.

[Anonymous No.18065175]

>>18065141

You're touting a tax that has never been implemented, and therefore has no evidence of success in practice, and is basically just a reworded incarnation of the currently existing property tax, that you think can replace all current taxes while still operating at a market rate, and I'm the one "grasping at straws." I leave this as an exercise for the reader. As for me, I'll go back to engaging in...business and finance. Which includes real estate investment.

[Anonymous No.18065244]

>>18065175
>you can't like anything and are literally not allowed to suggest anything other than the status quo

It's not an argument anon. If you enjoyed reading as much as you enjoyed arguing, you'd see why LVT has broad support among economists. It would benefit people that are economically productive and penalize those that aren't.

[Anonymous No.18065357]

>>18064616
I'm not worried about competition, I'm worried about them raping my sister

[Anonymous No.18065606]

>>18065175
>You're touting a tax that has never been implemented, and therefore has no evidence of success in practice

Wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax

>Land value taxation is currently implemented throughout Denmark,[8] Estonia, Lithuania,[9] Russia,[10] Singapore,[11] and Taiwan;[12] it has also been applied to smaller extents in subregions of Australia, Mexico (Mexicali), and the United States (e.g., Pennsylvania).

The closest country to Georgism is Singapore, and they do quite well economically. Pic related, apartments there that you can't buy and can only lease.

[Anonymous No.18065670]

>>18065606

>Singapore
>22.1 price to income ration on housing

https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp

Nah, I'm good love. Sounds like wage slave hell.

[Anonymous No.18065750]

>>18065670
The whole point is that you don't buy a house there, but don't need to. A lot of places aren't even for sale.

[Anonymous No.18065779]

>>18065750

Wow man, that sounds like heaven. Maybe you should move there. Or China, Russia, or Lithuania. Don't worry, we'll stay behind and hold down the fort here, it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it.

[Anonymous No.18066151]

>>18055600
This thread
>Bunch of retarded shitcoin traders calling landlords parasites
>the most non-passive form of investing out there

[Anonymous No.18066196]

>>18066151
buying land that you're not going to use that you intend to sell at a higher price is no more noble than buying a bunch of toilet paper that you're not going to use and intend to sell to someone who desperately needs it at a higher price

there is no reason to defend these people when actual productive people bear that burden at the moment

[Anonymous No.18066488]

Most property management companies charge 8-10% of the rent, so that should tell you what the "hard work" part of landlording is actually worth.

[Anonymous No.18066522]

>>18063210
I like how the anon never replied to this post

[Anonymous No.18066551]

>>18063897
kek, saved

[Anonymous No.18066589]

>>18065000
Explain how a land value tax could ever raise 4 trillion a year in the absence of other taxes (current annual fed revenues)

[Anonymous No.18066626]

>>18066589
Explain why the federal government should have $4 Trillion per year. Explain why all of the federal, state and local governments should have $7 Trillion per year. Explain why government spending should be 40% of GDP.

[Anonymous No.18066637]

>>18066626
I agree, but the point is that the LVT is not remotely applicable under today's circumstances.

[Anonymous No.18066648]

>>18066589
Current value of land value is estimated at $23 trillion, which bases it on the figure that allows you to claim prime real estate as farmland.

Stiglitz claimed that aggregate spending on public goods increase land values by at least as much as the investment cost. Most, if not all, public spending gets priced into land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George_theorem

Anyone is free to speculate what the actual market value of all land in the US is, the truth is we can't really know.

[Anonymous No.18066661]

>>18056407
Probably what he said about banking speculation you dumb fuck. Its the principle, he doesnt have to use the word crypto

[Anonymous No.18066672]

>>18066648
You're making my point well for me. $4 trillion of $23 trillion means about a 17% tax, and because an LVT (if it works by its own standards) will decimate current land valuation, it will mean that the percentage only increases.

[Anonymous No.18066679]

>>18066637
We're going to have to let the old people and welfare parasites die. I can tell you that much.

[Anonymous No.18066718]

>>18066672
Land value tax can be at most 100% of the land value. This would reduce the land value to be equal to the LVT. The result of such a policy would be that the market determines what the tax rate is. In such a system, people bidding to purchase land are really bidding for how much tax they will pay.

[Anonymous No.18066726]

>>18066672
I literally said that figure is only an estimate. And as soon as you implement the tax, it changes the value of land.

The tax is based on the market value, and not the other way around. Not like deficits have bother us before. Plus eliminating the 8k plus page tax code would cut some of the fat.

[Anonymous No.18066753]

What's special about real estate that makes investing in it more immoral than investing into stocks or funds or crypto etc?

[Anonymous No.18066836]

>>18066753
It's not that investing in real estate is immoral. What's immoral is that the tax code unfairly burdens labor and property. Georgism and Land Value Taxation is about using the tax code to unburden ALL productive members of society, and to place the burden of taxation on that which was not created from anyone's physical or mental effort - land and natural resources.

[Anonymous No.18067384]

>>18055600
May I sit on your couch...forever?

[Anonymous No.18067701]

>>18067384
With a Land Value Tax, rent is still charged, but all or a portion of it goes to the government. On the other hand, you keep 100% of your earnings from wages, interest, dividends, corporate profits, royalties, capital gains, inheritance, etc.

[Anonymous No.18068786]

>>18055600
Georgism is based and OP has my full endorsement

[Anonymous No.18068849]

>>18055948
You've got it backwards. It's the people who understand that it's immoral to rent seek who have the greatest moral imperative not to undertake it. This is preschool tier metaphysics, so, even though you might have convinced yourself it wasn't true long enough to write that drivel, we both know that it is.

[Anonymous No.18068895]

>>18056056
Henry George was Marx' enemy, they fucking hated each other and debated, George was considered the anti Marxist and still is among many. Holy shit I fucking hate you ignorant boomers.

[Anonymous No.18068962]

>>18060862
Fucking based

[Anonymous No.18068999]

>>18066718
It's a genius system and clearly the correct system, but trying to explain it to 4chin drooling retards is nigh impossible. These are people who think usury only means excessive interest on debt, they are blue-pilled NPCs LARPing like they know jack shit. The real redpill is realizing the world doesn't deserve Georgism or any of the third way systems, they deserve to be enslaved, and enslaved they are.

[Anonymous No.18069098]

>>18063897
Unironically true. I'm glad someone made this, I've felt this way for a long time. Georgism isn't a system of government its a tax revenue system, it can be applied to anything. I like the shout-out to distributists but there author put "distributionists" which is wrong.