A question for communists on this board

[Anonymous No.18041888]

If higher minimum wage laws are unquestionably good with no drawbacks and tradeoffs, why not just make minimum wage $1000/hour? Why stop at an arbitrary number like $15/hour?

$15/hour seems kind of low if there's no forseeable problems with minimum wage laws, right?

[Anonymous No.18041924]

>>18041888
Checked and your the lads in your pic related are living the dreams that im too afraid to pursue

[Anonymous No.18042023]

You guys got it all backwards.
Communism is democracy in its purest form.
The reason why lenin resorted to authoritarian communism was because Russia was agrarian and needed to develop quickly.
And deveop quickly they did.
Its like this.
Each factory and farm elects a representative and the representatives gather in congress to discuss how to plan production.
People are paid in hours so that all work is remunerated the same.
Something along those lines you know.
Look up council communism.
tl;dr: real communism has never been tried

[Anonymous No.18042059]

>>18041888
Stupid republitards would never agree to that

[Anonymous No.18042071]

>>18041888
I'm more for abolishing minimum wage altogether and just implementing a UBI/Negative Income Tax and strengthening unions. If everyone got a set amount of money they would have more power to negotiate their wages (especially with strong unions doing collective bargaining) since they wouldn't be forced to accept any job just to survive. Could also abolish social security, unemployment, and maybe even food stamps (or at least cut it back significantly) entirely.

[Anonymous No.18042084]

>>18041924
Are those lads or is this just wishful thinking on your part? Still would either way.

[Anonymous No.18042101]

>>18042071
you could do profit sharing and have workers representatives in the board of directors then unions wouldnt be necessary.

[Anonymous No.18042170]

>>18042084

>All the joy of experiencing multiple dicks without the hurdle of hairy men rubbing on you

[Anonymous No.18042183]

>>18041888
>argumentum ad absurdum

[Anonymous No.18042231]

>>18041888
>Hey communists why come [strawman]

Check'd

[Anonymous No.18042442]

>>18042023
That’s retarded.

- Communism is not democracy. Karl Marx never meant to create a democratic system. He wanted the dictatorship of the proletariat.

- Lenin did not develop Russia. His plan failed and he resorted to capitalism (New Economic Policy). It was Stalin who forced Russia to industrialize. Increasing the output of production makes things better. But its was not sustainable and that’s why they used the same Ladas for 40 years.

- Guess what system can output sustainable industrialization?

- Nobody elected no one. The Politburo lived luxury lives in closed villages as long as they weren’t purged. Meanwhile people starved.

[Anonymous No.18042476]

>>18042442
>In Marxist philosophy, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a state of affairs in which the working class hold political power. ... The term "dictatorship" indicates the retention of the state apparatus, but differs from individual dictatorship, the rule of one man.

[Anonymous No.18042765]

>>18042476
> implying I want to be lead by a collective of imbeciles
Just imagine being sent do jail by a bunch of normies because you don’t want/need to work.

[Anonymous No.18042782]

>>18042442
>the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Which could be restated as "the working class being in charge" which is exactly what democracy pretends to be as well.

[Anonymous No.18042788]

Better question. Explain how communism can work when the Fed is private. If you seize the Fed the dollar collapses.

[Anonymous No.18042794]

>>18042023
Marx got BTFO by the Austrians over 120 years ago. Pack it in.

[Anonymous No.18042804]

>>18042788
you replace money with labor vouchers which are destroyed upon use.

[Anonymous No.18042806]

>>18041888
those are all men

[Anonymous No.18042838]

>>18042804
How long will implementation take and do you expect the rest of the world to just forgive the 5 trillion dollars worth of US debt that they own?

[Anonymous No.18042861]

>>18041888
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.18042867]

>>18042782
>da workurr shud rool everyfing!

Why?

[Anonymous No.18042918]

>>18042788
It cant even without the FED because without a free market there is no efficient calculation of prices. Communist societies have no idea how to allocate scarce resources. It’s all based on politic decisions.

[Anonymous No.18042924]

>>18042867
Because they are the most numerous.

[Anonymous No.18042934]

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[Anonymous No.18042944]

>>18042023
>Communism is democracy in its purest form
Except you think the only reason most of the lower class don't support communism is you think they are stupidly acting against their own self interest. There is nothing democratic about letting people choose who the figureheads of an oppressive system that discourages anyone who doesn't want to be a part of it by sending them to gulag.

[Anonymous No.18042948]

>>18042918
At this point I don't believe removing the Fed is possible so the only hope they have is implementing communism under the Feds keynesianism and that will result in a soverign default.

[Anonymous No.18043004]

>>18042944
well its like this.
For example.
Lets say the group wants to work 30 hours per week.
But you want to work 50.
Should the group suffer because one individual wants to work more?

[Anonymous No.18043011]

>>18042944
This is why marxism is a literal cult. They are literally told to think that people who disagree with them are counter-revolutionaries who were brainwashed by the elites and therefore needs to be sent to reeducation camps.

>>18042794
Based Von Bawerk dismantled Evil Hungry Santa’s ramblings 124 years ago. The foundation for Marx theories have been basically replaced by better theories long time ago.

If you believe in communism in 2020 you are literally an economic flat earther.

[Anonymous No.18043040]

>>18043004
I was pointing out an obvious hole in your logic so your commie tricks won't work on newfags. I refuse to debate you people online. Step one is call you out and step two is hanging you fags. Answering your unsequential question is an unnecessary step.

[Anonymous No.18043080]

>>18042944
Not saying you're wrong, but,
> letting people choose who the figureheads of an oppressive system that discourages anyone who doesn't want to be a part of it by sending them to gulag.
how is this different in Capitalist "democracies"? Are not people who refuse to play by the rules of a Capitalist hegemony incarcerated and forced to labor?

[Anonymous No.18043091]

>>18041888
how many of these are biological females?

[Anonymous No.18043111]

>>18043091
Anywhere from 0 to 2

[Anonymous No.18043188]

>>18043080
>Are not people who refuse to play by the rules of a Capitalist hegemony incarcerated and forced to labor?
No. You can live on a subsistence commune and socialize the means of production there if you want bud. Nobody is stopping you.

[Anonymous No.18043219]

>>18043188
And no one would stop me from otherwise claiming the fruits of my labors, regardless of where I labor? Or of consuming goods according to my need, without worrying about some Capitalist's idea of "price"?

[Anonymous No.18043250]

>>18043219
>And no one would stop me from otherwise claiming the fruits of my labors,
No, you don't get to own my land just because you built a derelict shack to squat in on the premises.

Get the fuck off my lawn before I shoot you.

[Anonymous No.18043263]

>>18043111
if it was 2, which ones would it be?

[Anonymous No.18043269]

>>18042944
The idea of false consciousness is one of the most misanthropic and illiberal ideas of the 20th century. It "explains" why the masses disagree with your "analysis" and thus shields you from having to confront the frightening prospect that maybe the masses actually are better equipped for knowing what they want and setting priorities for their own lives than you are.

[Anonymous No.18043301]

>>18043011
Flat earth is actually true though

[Anonymous No.18043321]

>>18042924
A million zeros banded together unfortunately do not equal one.

[Anonymous No.18043329]

>>18043011
>Based Von Bawerk dismantled Evil Hungry Santa’s ramblings 124 years ago.
Yeah, no one has ever really refuted Von Bawerk's criticism of Marx, which is why posting Von Bawerk in response to a Marxist is like bringing garlic to a vampire.

in b4 >bakhunin
Bakhunin's only response was
>b-but subjective utility p-prerference isn't real!
Bakhunin did not address any of the other contradictions in Marxist orthodoxy that von Bawerk raised.

[Anonymous No.18043344]

>>18042059
Gtfo 4chan degenerate

[Anonymous No.18043350]

>Based Von Bawerk dismantled Evil Hungry Santa’s ramblings 124 years ago.
Yeah, no one has ever really refuted Von Bawerk's criticism of Marx, which is why posting Von Bawerk in response to a Marxist is like bringing garlic to a vampire.

in b4 >bakhunin
Bukharin only response was
>b-but subjective utility p-prerference isn't real!
Bukharin did not address any of the other contradictions in Marxist orthodoxy that von Bawerk raised.

[Anonymous No.18043352]

>>18043219
That’s fucked up. Without pricing for capital goods it is impossible to know what their rational efficient use is.

And that’s why its always going to fail. It’s a fairytale made hundreds of years ago before the first lamp or even Freud wrote his piece on psyche. There is no way Marx can hold a candle to modern standards of economy, chain of production and human nature.

[Anonymous No.18043365]

>>18043219
>Or of consuming goods according to my need, without worrying about some Capitalist's idea of "price"?
I have a need to acquire 9001 lambos, and I'm going to do it without worrying about some communist's idea of "need"

[Anonymous No.18043467]

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[Anonymous No.18043672]

>>18043365
Sounds good senpai, you do you

[Anonymous No.18043729]

>>18041888
trips
imagine working for minimum wage when you can literally get that off a paycheck worth of SUTER staking

[Anonymous No.18043771]

>>18041888
>if we use enough photoshop we sort of pass right?
Nope. Lot of girls use some effects to hide stuff. A tranny will literally cake the entire image with the smoothing tool to even have a shot

[Anonymous No.18043801]

>>18041888
Who are these handsome lads?

[Anonymous No.18043842]

>>18041888
literally wut. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. There are no wages under communism.

[Anonymous No.18043862]

>>18043771
They are legitimate girls you gimp. A 2 second search would prove it to you, unless you would rather the other.

[Anonymous No.18043920]

>>18041888

Min wage increases do cause inflation in the long run.

However there is a medium run trade off between bottom up fiscal stimulus with the aim of generating capital innovation and said inflation. Key is to optimize growth as a function of the balance of these two forces over a specified time horizon.

Secular wage stagnation is just as bad if not worse than general price inflation. The increase in the gap between returns to real wages and productivity over the past 70 years bears this out. Capitalism is about to consume itself after a half century of popular immiseration.

Just gotta balance the fucking system.

[Anonymous No.18043923]

>>18042071
>strengthening unions

Unions are just another form of dictatorship.

[Anonymous No.18043958]

>>18043862
heres your 2 second google search bro

[Anonymous No.18043965]

>>18043842
>expecting /biz/ fags to actually understand communism

[Anonymous No.18043977]

>>18041888
Labor theory of value. It wouldn’t be that absurdly high.

[Anonymous No.18043983]

>>18043958
>trusting google instead of vetting each in the image one by one.

What you have done is trusting the twitter equivalent of the anon's in here screaming trannies, bro :)

[Anonymous No.18044010]

Wage control is not good, just like price control.

[Anonymous No.18044019]

>>18043983
nigger im not going to go through an autistic investigation over some stupid picture i saw on here if they look like trannys and i find a search that says theyre trannys then im going to infer theyre trannys

[Anonymous No.18044067]

>>18043920
Minimum wage also causes unemployment. Unskilled work force who can’t produce more than the minimum wage will not be hired.

[Anonymous No.18044080]

>>18043965
Some of us do. There is a difference between those who read Marx (you) and those who understand Marx (me).

[Anonymous No.18044091]

>>18043977
Deprecated 120 years ago. As stated before believing in labor theory of value in 202 are economical flat earthers.

[Anonymous No.18044176]

>>18042804
You would pay me for my hour of work by using a voucher that would be destroyed when you gave it to me?

[Anonymous No.18044211]

>>18044019
>cuts the search result to the only one which refers to them as trannies

Do you secretly like them or want to be one and are projecting?

[Anonymous No.18044295]

>>18044080
Sure... sure you do

[Anonymous No.18044409]

Only the three starting from the right are definitely women, I'd say.

[Anonymous No.18044490]

>>18042023
>Communism is democracy in its purest form.
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18045461]

>>18041888

[Anonymous No.18045540]

>>18041888
Fuck the one on the left, kill the rest.

[Anonymous No.18045565]

was cosplay invented for below average looking women to get an edge?
I'd fuck the third from the right

[Anonymous No.18045784]

>>18045565
>women
those are all men

[Anonymous No.18046602]

Why is every NEET I know a communist and everyone who's not a leech not a communist?

[Anonymous No.18046619]

If YoU hAvE tO gO tO sChOoL fOr 12 YeArS wHy NoT mAkE iT 12 tHoUsAnD??

[Anonymous No.18046676]

>>18046619
Why donate just 10 dollars to Bernie, why not 1000?

[Anonymous No.18046702]

>>18042023
>Communism is democracy in its purest form
And democracy is garbage

[Anonymous No.18046730]

>>18041888
What is their combined penis length?

[Anonymous No.18046742]

>>18046676

If you require cars to get 10 MPG why not 10,000 MPG???

Want to raise the speed limit to 80, why not 80,000???

Want to increase the standard deduction to $12k why not $12 mil???

[Anonymous No.18046769]

>>18046742
>If you require cars to get 10 MPG why not 10,000 MPG???
More regulation, no

Want to raise the speed limit to 80, why not 80,000???
Less regulation, yes

Want to increase the standard deduction to $12k why not $12 mil???
Less taxes, yes

[Anonymous No.18046800]

>>18046769

You want less regulation, why not anarchy?

You want less taxes, why not 0?

See how stupid this argument is?

[Anonymous No.18046821]

>>18046800
>you want less regulation, why not anarchy?
Yes.

>You want less taxes, why not 0?
Yes.

>See how stupid this argument is?
I don't see stupid arguments, just a stupid poster

[Anonymous No.18046840]

>>18044211
The thought of those Russian maids being trannies makes me diamonds desu.

[Anonymous No.18046868]

>>18041888
It's unquestionably good because wages have stagnated and minimum wage hasn't been raised with inflation for a few decades.
Literally minimum wage in the 80's is more than x5 buying power of minimum wage today. Which is why unimpressive minimum waging boomers could get houses back then. And why they are so smug now.

[Anonymous No.18046877]

>>18042804
I, and other highly skilled individuals, would not be interested in working under such conditions. We would move to a capitalist country, leaving you without a skilled workforce.
You either attempt to stop me from leaving, or you accept that my leaving will eventually cripple your system.

[Anonymous No.18046878]

>>18046868
You just sound spoiled and entitled dude, calm down

[Anonymous No.18046891]

>>18046840
lmao stay based dude lol'd that you came back to post this

[Anonymous No.18046925]

>>18042023
>anime pedophile
>arrogant commie
Holy shit I don't know if I can hate somebody more

[Anonymous No.18046953]

All the communists are going to lose their jobs when they ask for payrises going into a depression. What they should be asking for is to keep their jobs and to have a paycut but they're too stupid to think of it.

[Anonymous No.18047078]

>>18043321
>A million zeros banded together unfortunately do not equal one.
But if there is just a single 1 among them it will result in a number far bigger than any individual could deliver.

[Anonymous No.18047104]

>>18047078
A single person with all the wealth you might say

[Anonymous No.18047148]

>>18043352
>There is no way Marx can hold a candle to modern standards of economy, chain of production and human nature.
We might just about be testing how well the wests economic production program is gonna hold up!
Max yield does not equal max sustainability, stability or necessarily suitability. Not saying Marx was right or wrong... just this is not the only measure of success.

[Anonymous No.18047183]

>>18041888
>If higher minimum wage laws are unquestionably good with no drawbacks and tradeoffs, why not just make minimum wage $1000/hour? Why stop at an arbitrary number like $15/hour?
>$15/hour seems kind of low if there's no forseeable problems with minimum wage laws, right?
>pic related
>is you

I am not even a communist but I can explain shit for you very easily. Unlike all the libertarian memes you fell for, the economy isn't efficient. If you look at 3rd world countries with zero minimum wage laws, you'll see more employees just standing there than costumers. There will be like 2 or 3 more employees than costumers getting paid in pennies and producing nothing. The idea for minimum wage is to remove the least productive people and pay people who're more productive, this increases productivity and most of the people will be bumped up their wages. For the people in the bottom might be let off. Now they'll most likely find another job, a small sub-section might be impacted forever but due to the new economical gains for everyone, they'll also have a higher safety through taxes. The reason why we don't make up $1000/hour is obviously too high and businesses won't be able to pay that much, which is a retarded libertarian cuck argument. Businesses could pay 15/hour. I am not for the 15/h but it's very possible.

[Anonymous No.18047229]

>>18047183
I know you spent a lot of effort trying to explain why third world countries are shitholes by linking it to minimum wage, but there's a better explanation

[Anonymous No.18047278]

Wow none of these larpers are even Asian. Do they even hold any Suterusu?

[Anonymous No.18047389]

>>18047104
>A single person with all the wealth you might say
no a combined effort resulting in a number far grater than the single person.
1<1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Anonymous No.18047446]

Rather than bothering with setting wage floors, we should just execute the bottom 0.5% of adult earners every year. This systematic yearly culling would eliminate our over accumulation of genetically faulty low IQ or non-productive people and raise the quality of our population over time. With a high IQ society you can make your political system successful whether it leans more capitalist or socialist.

[Anonymous No.18047465]

>>18041888
Male/Male/Male/Male/Ironically the tallest one, and Female/Male/Female

[Anonymous No.18047511]

>>18047183
aka. tendency for employers to want to get the most bang for the buck. if they have to pay 15 either way, the lowest tier employees get the door.

[Anonymous No.18047518]

>>18047389
God damn you're a delusional retard. Go try to rally some insects to your cause

[Anonymous No.18047577]

sirs

[Anonymous No.18047645]

>>18047229

[Anonymous No.18047655]

>>18047577
bless you

[Anonymous No.18047661]

>>18047645
Did I say anything explicitly racist or are your own natural observations and assumptions racist?

[Anonymous No.18047685]

>>18042023
Guess that's why he murdered the mensheviks too.
Or maybe because they lost the one election they held.

[Anonymous No.18047686]

>>18041924
tranny wish post. been alot of this queer posting on a business and finance board. shoo shoo queers back to your containment board >>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.18047714]

>>18047518
Without the zeros they are a lonely single 1.
Insults don't change that...
You ran out of steam with your arrogant belief that the poor/working people are some how not as able, capable or as worthy as the rich or yourself. You can not see the good in others because you are blinded by propergander handed down to you, not from experience gained by contact or working with people.
Some poor are shits some rich are shits... the money doth not makith the man.

[Anonymous No.18047815]

>>18047229
I used it as an example for inefficient markets. Not the only reason. only some /pol/tard would link a complex system with just one thing.

[Anonymous No.18047870]

>>18041888
if only there was a middle ground between minimum wage being jack shit and $1,000,000 per second. Oh well. guess we'll never figure it out

[Anonymous No.18047926]

>>18042765

>implying I want to be lead by a collective of imbeciles

anon... i

[Anonymous No.18047990]

Minimum wage would be based, since it effectively makes momost minoritied uncompetetive, if it weren't for it benefitting section eight slumlords aka american jewish democrats making their money off siphoning state subsidies.

[Anonymous No.18048052]

Minimum wage would be based, since it effectively makes most migrants and minorities uncompetetive, if it weren't for it benefitting section eight slumlords aka american jewish democrats making their money off siphoning state subsidies.

[Anonymous No.18048079]

>>18041888

wage labor isn't communism, paying people an arbitrary minimum wage with wealthy ruling class control over the means of production is capitalism no matter how high you pump up the wage, we want to abolish wage labor and put the working class in control of the means of production

[Anonymous No.18048199]

>>18043011
Checked
Hayek drove the last stake through the heart of progtardation in the 1930s

[Anonymous No.18048274]

>>18046730
30ft

[Anonymous No.18048622]

>>18041888
is there at least a single female(female) in that pic?

[Anonymous No.18048925]

>>18047714
LOL FUCK OFF I'M UP 15K TODAY SUCK IT COMMIES

[Anonymous No.18049149]

>>18048622
there's maybe 1 queer in that pic and the rest are natural born females. queers like to claim its boys cuz they love forcing their faggot lifestyle on everyone and demand acceptance and tolerance and pretending its all queers in dresses so they think more people are queers is part of their mental illness.

[Anonymous No.18049451]

>>18041888
>>18047577

I thought they were all guys from the front but from the back some of them clearly aren't

From Front :
M N N N M N M

From Back :
Y Y Y N M N Y

From External Sources (mostly instagram) :
Y M Y Y Y M Y


What a rollercoaster, they may very well all be girls.
I was almost certain that 3 was a guy but it turns out she's just Russian.

Didn't find anything "definitive" unless you consider stuff like pic related (girl 1) definitive.


Uhhh also Communism has been tried and doesn't work, deal with it, also if you're a tranny in this thread I hope you kill yourself upon realizing that these are actual girls and some aren't passing

[Anonymous No.18049542]

>>18046702
Sad, but true.

[Anonymous No.18049579]

>>18047577
>the gap on that Shuten Douji
Fucking hnnnng
Also checked

[Anonymous No.18050888]

>>18049451
So there's males mixed in with the females

[Anonymous No.18050985]

>>18050888
yup queers and females mixed together

[Anonymous No.18051199]

>>18049451
>if you're a tranny in this thread I hope you kill yourself upon realizing that these are actual girls and some aren't passing
Why would that make me want to kill myself? Just makes me think you're so warped from 4chan trannyposting you think normal looking girls are trannies.

[Anonymous No.18051244]

>>18041888

Oh, that's an easy one.. it's because, as it turns out, the laws of economics actually exist

[Anonymous No.18052187]

>>18051244
>laws of economics actually exist
LOL

[Anonymous No.18052294]

>>18042183
Then why is $15 ok?

[Anonymous No.18052364]

>not traps

[Anonymous No.18052466]

>>18051199
Because it highlights the fact that plenty of people, even those professionally interested in their appearance like cosplayers or models can not always make themselves unmistakeable ideal forms of their gender, however for them, unlike for you, it doesn't really matter since they aren't mentally ill retards trying to convince people they are something they are not.

[Anonymous No.18052709]

>>18051199
>Just makes me think you're so warped from 4chan trannyposting you think normal looking girls are trannies.

It's called context, it is common on this site for the OP to actually be trannies when it looks like that, and was likely chosen since some of them have masculine faces, veiny hands, broad shoulders, narrow hips, etc.

However simply looking at more pictures of them quickly made it evident they were actual girls, as tends to happen.

[Anonymous No.18053114]

>>18041888
those are boys