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One thing I don't understand, is why you guys don't use (short-/long) factor certificates on the indexes? No knock-out, and you can multiply your winnings by up to x20.

So why options, futures or even that boring sqqq/lqqq?

>> No.18000002

I need answers!

>> No.18000737

>>17999951
where is the difference?
why ''no cnoc out'' ?

>> No.18000778

Because you can just use margin? Explain what a "certificate" is?

>> No.18000792

Yeah no idea either op please enlighten us you got me interested

>> No.18000793

>>17999951
Are there factor certificates available anywhere outside of Germany?

>> No.18002344

>>18000778
>>18000792
>>18000793

It's just a certificate like an option, that you can get with a leverage. There's no knockout, it has no endpoint and it has continouus leverage.
Instead of a knockout, it has a adjustment barrier, where the price gets reset.
So for example if you got a 4x long certificate and the price of the underlying asset (e.g. the Dow) goes down 25%, instead of having your certificate worth 0 Dollars, the price gets reset. You'll still lose a lot of money, but it won't go to zero.
I'd recommend not holding a certificate longer than 2 days, maybe 3 max.

In Germoney you can buy them no problem, I would guess, the same goes for the US, too.

>> No.18002660

>>18002344
>I would guess, the same goes for the US, too.
keep us posted if you find out who's providing them in the US

>> No.18002698

>>18002344
Sounds like mini futures. I day trades them here in Sweden last week with great results. Not sure what you mean by price adjustment though. The leverage with mini futures remains constant and is decided upon the purchase of the contract

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>>17999951
no

>> No.18002843

>>18002660
https://derinet.vontobel.com/CH/EN/Products/Find_Products/Leverage_products

Are you able to get one from them? Or maybe Morgan Stanley?


>>18002698
By price adjustment I mean, that for example when you have x20 leverage and the price goes more than 4% in the wrong direction, the price of your certificate gets reset.

I made a new thread here

>>18002696
>>18002696
>>18002696

>> No.18003106

Bump

>> No.18003172

>>17999951
CFDs are like that.
I made neat buck shorting CFDs for major indices

>> No.18003807

>>18003172
What are CFDs like?