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[Anonymous No.17968365]

627 deaths in the LAST 24 HOURS in Italy, a new record high.
At USA population levels this is 3417 deaths in 24 hours and that's assuming linear growth instead of exponential growth that is more typical for infections.
Italy has BETTER healthcare than USA and the number still hasn't stopped growing.
Lombardy's urban population and density is NOTHING compared to most urbanized areas in USA.

If you think what happened the past month is a bear market, you have no idea what's coming.

[Anonymous No.17968398]

>>17968365
>Italy has BETTER healthcare than USA
Nice cope europoor

[Anonymous No.17968420]

>>17968365
>a large portion of people won’t accept this because it means the lord and savior Trump will not be re-elected

[Anonymous No.17968432]

>shitaly
wow its nothing

[Anonymous No.17968443]

[Anonymous No.17968455]

>>17968365
italy was forced to cut costs by their german superiors.

if the virus doesnt kill italy, the euro will and they know it. italy will exit euro zone within the next 12 month

[Anonymous No.17968457]

>>17968432
Adjusted for percentages and not total numbers the fatality rate has been similar everywhere the US included

[Anonymous No.17968478]

>>17968365
>Italy has BETTER healthcare than USA

[Anonymous No.17968480]

>>17968432
all countries are following their chart, it's just italy is 2-3 weeks ahead of everyone

[Anonymous No.17968516]

How the fuck are people still getting sick there with such a strict quarantine?

[Anonymous No.17968527]

And 99.9% of those deaths were from old fucks.

[Anonymous No.17968542]

>>17968365
I don't want overreact, but this could be the end of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.17968554]

>durr hurr if medicine is socialized it's automatically BETTER than high cost medicine elsewhere

[Anonymous No.17968584]

>>17968554
there's gonna be literally people infecting everyone and dying in the streets because your retarded healthcare system is so expensive

[Anonymous No.17968590]

>>17968516
this is the 14 day window being in affect. we're now on the back half, the people who were asymptomatic carriers are starting now

[Anonymous No.17968592]

>>17968527
The kill zone seems to be 40+ but it has killed a good share of the young now as well

>a 48-year-old woman who worked as a supermarket cashier in Brescia and died at home after developing a high fever at the beginning of this week

>a 47-year-old Army of Carabinieri emergency number command center operator in Bergamo who had been hospitalized in intensive care

[Anonymous No.17968756]

>>17968365
>Italy has BETTER healthcare than USA and the number still hasn't stopped growing.
Don't forget that obesity rates in Italy are below 15%, and above 50% in America.

It will be a massacre.

[Anonymous No.17968945]

>>17968756
Day of the pillow combined with day of the treadmill

[Barter No.17969040]

>>17968554
>>17968584
Both systems weren't properly prepared for a full world-wide pandemy, turn out the whole world was short-sighted

[Anonymous No.17969071]

Based chink bioweapon

[Anonymous No.17969211]

>>17968365
>be Italian
>on average you're a 45 year old boomer
>There's a 1 in 3 chance you smoke cigarettes
>a much larger chance you've been a smoker
>get rekt by a respiratory ailment
Who knew? Why didn't anyone tell me it's not the cigarettes that kill me but the complications associated from perpetual lung butter?

[Anonymous No.17969589]

>>17969211
>be american
>obese

[Anonymous No.17969622]

>>17968365
>better healthcare
USA has the highest amount of ICU beds per capita in the world you fucking retard. USA will follow Germany's trend of lots of cases but less deaths than Italy

[Anonymous No.17969699]

>>17969211
Americans are literally twice as likely to be obese compared to Italians.

[Anonymous No.17969744]

>>17968365
THE ONLY WAY TO SLOW DOWN THIS VIRUS IS TO STOP ALL PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH OTHER HUMANS AT ONCE!

JUST FUCKING STOP! STAY AT HOME AND PLAY VIDEO GAMES!

[Anonymous No.17969749]

>6 MILLION PROJECTED DEAD

[Anonymous No.17969770]

>>17969589
Obesity is bad but not as bad as smoking. Smoking cigarettes is unironically one of the worst things you can do for your health. Americans are living longer than any generation that smoked regularly even though we're fatter than ever. Plus it would be good to see the morbidly obese go full morbid.

[Anonymous No.17969802]

>>17968432
Highest average IQ in already smarter than average Europe.

Americope is fucked beyond belief. You cant even pay for the test ffs.

[Anonymous No.17969809]

>>17969622
the mortality rate entirely depends on how fast the virus spreads if it overwhelms the capacity (and the us capacity is nothing compared to the potential patient numbers this virus can reach in 3 weeks) the dead will keep on piling up.

us may have 50k respirators total but we are talking about millions that may need it.

[Anonymous No.17969814]

>we are surely in a bear market
>short bitcoin
> get liquuidiated

WHAT THE ABSOLUTE UFKC I DONT UNDERTAND

[Anonymous No.17969858]

>>17969699
This. The average Italians is by far more healthy than the average American, considering that transfat is illegal in Italy.

[Anonymous No.17969982]

>>17968592
>40+
>young
watch out for the virus grandpa

[Anonymous No.17970015]

>>17969699
>>17969858
>smoker cope
>Yeah but I least I'm not fat! That makes me healthy!
That has literally been the go to cope for smokers since they first found out it was bad for you because tobacco is a stim and kills appetite and boredom at once people smoke as a form of dieting and they still die young. There is no such thing as a healthy smoker and smoking directly attacks the same organ as Coronachan.

[Anonymous No.17970020]

>>17968584

Most people have insurance or Medicare/Medicaid, and those who don't can't be denied care. Every severe case will be treated at the highest level in the West. Sorry doomer.

[Anonymous No.17970048]

>>17969802
Trump just passed free testing smartass

[Anonymous No.17970080]

>>17969744
this.

[Anonymous No.17970089]

>>17969982
Re read the post then feel bad.

[Anonymous No.17970178]

>>17968365
>Italy has BETTER healthcare than USA
This is bullshit

[Anonymous No.17970264]

>>17969770
What is up with Americans and smoking? You guys are all obese with the beetus but nobody smokes

[Anonymous No.17970332]

>>17970264
Boomers smoke still. The young people vape or smoke weed which is still as damaging in relation to this virus

[Anonymous No.17970335]

>>17970178
100% not, US hospitals are woefully prepared

[Anonymous No.17970391]

>>17970178

[Anonymous No.17970464]

>>17970391
hahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 2,7 hahahahhahaha
OH, SAY CAN YOU SEE ...

[Anonymous No.17970514]

>>17968592
>It Is NoT oNlY dAnGeRoUs FoR tHe OlD
>peOpLe NeAr 50 aRe AlSo iN dAngEr
The average age on this board is bellow 30 gramps

[Anonymous No.17970574]

>>17968432
based

[Anonymous No.17970617]

>>17970464
yeah but US have a lot more of ICU beds so it's all good

[Anonymous No.17970627]

>>17970264
Big ad campaigns for 30+ years to kill it
>>17970332
Marijuana and vaping still don't even come close to historic highs of American tobacco consumption. Used to be like 70% admitted to smoking at least casually and as much as 50% of high schoolers smoked cigarettes. Lmao when my dad was in high school in the 70s they had smoking sections for students and the teachers lounge billowed smoke like a hookah bar according to him. Smoking was so common that one of the most popular grade school projects was to make ash trays out of clay at the end of the year so you could give it to your dad on father's day.

[Anonymous No.17970691]

>>17968365
i thought the virus didnt like africans? itally should have been fine

>Italy has BETTER healthcare than USA
free /= better you retard

[Anonymous No.17970743]

Americans still have no idea what's coming for them. Trump is doing his best to underplay the virus and pretend everything is under control, just so he can bump the economy a little bit, but New York will be a fucking graveyard in a week.

[Anonymous No.17971106]

>kills boomers
>sterilizes male zoomers
this virus is a godsend

[Anonymous No.17971136]

>>17968365
doesn't exist, just a control mechanism
virus hoax starter pack
https://youtu.be/zFN5LUaqxOA
https://youtu.be/3cnlynJZLtM
http://www.whale.to/a/lanka5.html
http://www.medicinacomplementar.com.br/biblioteca/pdfs/Biomolecular/mb-0464.pdf

[Anonymous No.17971310]

>>17968398
The fact you think Americas health care system is better than Italy's just proves how much of an ignorant cuck you are. Sure, if you have millions you'll be treat like a king, but the common person, good fucking luck. Also, before you spread your stupidity, fucking look it up you actual cancerous fucktard.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

[Anonymous No.17971388]

>>17971310

>still trying to wag meaningless bureaucratic bullshit "rankings" in people's faces while Italy is getting absolutely categorically SHREKED by their lack of health or health infrastructure

You can start casting stones when literally any other country is getting destroyed like that. Right now Italy is a very, very distant last place in the Coronab Owl. Or winning..depending on how you look at it.

[Anonymous No.17971526]

>>17968365
NOOOOOOOO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST THE FLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Anonymous No.17971561]

>>17968365
This shit differs so vastly, it's hard to tell who is telling the truth and who is lying. In this case, China doesn't seem too out of place.

[Anonymous No.17971567]

>>17969749
oy gervalt

[Anonymous No.17971597]

>>17971561

Diamond Princess had 100% of passengers tested, there is your baseline

[Anonymous No.17971855]

>>17968365
What the fuck is wrong with Italy? Their death rate is absolutely insane.

[Anonymous No.17971891]

>>17971561
8%

Almost 1 in 10 chance of dying.

[Anonymous No.17971905]

>>17968365
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

[Anonymous No.17971970]

>>17971905
>The observed excess of deaths is not completely unexpected, given the high number of fragile very old subjects living in Italy.
lol

[Anonymous No.17972000]

>>17971855
The air pollution in northern Italy is like the worst in Europe. Also very old population. There's going to be a lot of empty flats in Italy soon.

[Anonymous No.17972045]

>>17971597
And what were the rates on diamond princess?

[Anonymous No.17972067]

>>17971905
>>17971970
This is VERY antisemitic

[Anonymous No.17972117]

>>17971597
Yea that's probably the best number to go off of. Except we don't know how many of those people committed suicide due to having to be on a cruise for this long.

[Anonymous No.17972139]

>>17971891
And that's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.17972171]

>>17972045

Death rate of 1%, more like 0.5% when age-adjusted (mostly boomers on the ship). So that's the best case scenario for this disease.

[Anonymous No.17972283]

>>17972117
Boomers love cruises, no one committed sudoku.

[Anonymous No.17972311]

>>17968516
italins are still out and about. 9000 were given citations, fines etc for being out.

[Anonymous No.17972375]

It's because they love to hug and kiss and did this while the virus was rampant. Also older population who are more likely died from it

[Anonymous No.17972415]

>>17968365
real data
https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/
yes

[Anonymous No.17972438]

gonna swoop down on a bolzano housing market like a mf condor

[Anonymous No.17972485]

>>17968420
we probably won't have an election once martial law happens

[Anonymous No.17972486]

>>17968365
no we hit the bottom, the dump happened because everyone realized how serious coronachan was, now they know it might kill them and their mom so it's priced in, also the fed is printing free dollarinos everyday, so chainlink will be worth 100$ eoy, but so will a cup of coffee...

[Anonymous No.17972558]

>>17968365
"Italy has BETTER healthcare than USA"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. glad we closed off all european travel.

Italy has worse healthcare, 3x the population density, and more old people.

[Anonymous No.17972580]

>>17968554
I'm telling you this
In my region, Veneto (where Venice is), if someone has got infected, they decided to test the family, neighbors, coworkers, in order to stop "micro hot spots"
A mini version of what they have done in SK
It totally worked
in my town of 40k people, only 15 cases man And it was one of the first to be quarantined.
I respect your love for your Country, but a private healthcare system isn't the best start for a pandemic like this. I don't think you should put a spot price for things like this. Otherwise, it's like the market for water in the desert.

[Anonymous No.17972611]

>>17969622
In some areas, Italy has undertested

[Anonymous No.17972684]

>>17972558
US has better healthcare, if you are filthy rich
Otherwise, eh, cuck

[Anonymous No.17972753]

>>17971310
>Cuba, 33rd
Yeah ok commie cuck
US has like 6 times the ICU units of Italy. Who the fuck cares about a "Bed" especially when you are not serving the elderly, aka the people who need care.

[Anonymous No.17972763]

>>17968365
Sounds like (((someone))) is literally chemtrailing dem Italians

[Anonymous No.17972774]

>>17972580
We've already instituted drive thru testing at Wal-sharts in a public/private partnership. Americans just posture that they're hardcore an-caps. When shit hits the fan we instantly go full public-private partnership and always have historically.

[Anonymous No.17972860]

>>17972774
The private sector is loving the virus

[Anonymous No.17972891]

>>17968365
Yet another demoralization thread. Brains on the wall now faggot

[Anonymous No.17972947]

>>17972763
aerial photography

[Anonymous No.17973013]

>>17969814
Lol, you should have left a wide free margin.

[Anonymous No.17973025]

>>17968542
>capitalism
Central banks and a fiat currency make sure capitalism was never actually a thing. Privatising profits and socialising loses.

[Anonymous No.17973057]

>>17972860
>get to cut work staff, get payroll taxes slashed, trillion dollar bailouts that have little to do with the effects of Coronachan, and on top of it all are rewarded with joocy government contracts and back scritches to fight the virus
Yeah, it's "priced in" alright and here's the receipt and don't forget to tip citizen :^)

[Anonymous No.17973109]

>>17973057
They even give a tip after being born,lol

[Anonymous No.17973173]

>>17971855
>>17971891
Most of italy is over the age of 60

[Anonymous No.17973206]

>>17968365
>Italy has BETTER healthcare
Bullshit. Italy has third world socialist medicine, where you only get acceptable treatment if you have the money to get in a good hospital for the wealthy. Here in America, any bum off the street has access to fucking space age medicine. We give million dollar heart transplants to fucking gangbanger hoodrats (a famous case wound up dead in a gunfight shortly thereafter).

THAT is what it's like to have so much wealth that even our shitiest hospital is 1000x your's europoor.

[Anonymous No.17973248]

>>17968365
its over
bodies are literally piling up in the streets as we speak
government is sending in white coat death squads to burn the bodies and keep the virus from spreading
stock markets in free fall
all stores, shops, businesses shuttered indefinitely
webcams from italy show women and children wailing in the streets
its an unbelievable level of carnage destruction and suffering
literally a new airborne superAIDS
stay at home and wash your hands frens this is gonna get ugly

[Anonymous No.17973596]

>>17968592
Are people dying from a fever that's too high or not being able to breathe?

[Anonymous No.17973613]

>>17969589
Not as bad. I've been to Italy. Literally everyone smokes.

[Anonymous No.17973653]

>>17968554
how much money does the fed need to piss away before deficittards learn?

[Anonymous No.17973713]

>>17969211
>>17969770
>>17970015
Amerifat cope
Smoking is good for you

[Anonymous No.17973774]

>>17969744
Is jogging alone outside ok

[Anonymous No.17973777]

>>17968365
>better healthcare in europe
lol you sure you want to trust hospitals full of guys that barely made it through Albanian Med school?

[Anonymous No.17973792]

>>17971310
>>17971310

>LOOK GUYS... PEOPLE FILED A BUNCH OF PAPERWORK SAYING ITS BETTER. IM 100% CONFIDENT THAT MEANINGLESS RANKINGS TRACK REALITY.

The ability to walk into a hospital and receive subpar care is equivalent to not receiving care. The only difference between Italy and the US is that in the US you know for a fact that you're fucked if you're poor instead of having the illusion of some social safety net thats secretly made out of wet toilet paper.

[Anonymous No.17973810]

>>17968365
It's just the 5G Flu bro

[Anonymous No.17973890]

>>17968365
>Italy has BETTER healthcare than USA
Why does this myth perpetuate?
Free does not equal better.

[Anonymous No.17973991]

>>17968365
Just a flu bro, just dca bro

[Anonymous No.17974033]

>>17969770
Yeah, spending 10 years hooked up to life support as a old boomer fuck wasting millions of dollars = healthy. Lmao fatties

[Anonymous No.17974062]

>>17970020
Insurance doesn't guarantee you it'll be paid especially when an out-of-network doctor fucks you over. Dad has top-notch insurance and had a +$2000 ambulance bill when I was hit by a car.

[Anonymous No.17974068]

>>17973173
>Most of italy is over the age of 60
less than 15% retard

[Anonymous No.17974072]

>>17973890
a lot of burgers go to cuba to be cured

[Anonymous No.17974107]

>>17974033
Same thing for smokers. They just sit there wheezing with an oxygen tank and a hole in their neck for years until they finally succumb to their lungs slowly filling up to the tippy top with fluids and you drown from within.

[Anonymous No.17974111]

>>17973774
alone yes but 2 meters must be kept from anyone passing by

[Anonymous No.17974120]

REFUGEES WELCOME

[Anonymous No.17974139]

>>17974111
until complete lockdown in a few days yes. if you live in a remote area without cops is ok

[Anonymous No.17974146]

>>17974111
>>17973774
Interested in this. I love going on walks in the park next to me but I live in a really dense area with 53 confirmed cases as of yesterday.

t. Orange County

[Anonymous No.17974161]

>>17968455
lmao no. We will continue to get cucked.

[Anonymous No.17974174]

>>17974072
I have never in my life heard of this and I worked in healthcare for a decade, and my family and my in laws have been in healthcare their whole lives.

Not saying it's not true, but again, this will be huge news to everyone you tell it to.

[Anonymous No.17974180]

>>17971310
>.m.
Fucking newfag phoneposters

>The WHO rankings have been subject to many and varied criticisms since its publication.[citation needed] Concerns raised over the five factors considered, data sets used and comparison methodologies have led health bodies and political commentators in most of the countries on the list to question the efficacy of its results and validity of any conclusions drawn. Such criticisms of a broad endeavour by the WHO to rank all the world's healthcare systems must also however be understood in the context of a predisposition to analytical bias commensurate with an individual nation's demographics, socio-economics and politics. In considering such a disparate global spectrum, ranking criteria, methodology, results and conclusions will always be an area for contention.

Find another one. This shit is likely not evidenced based. I'm not saying America's healthcare isn't shit, but what you listed is also fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.17974204]

>>17968365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gvgb3K5iOE

[Anonymous No.17974225]

>>17968365
Maybe because Bush, Obama, and Trump have done nothing to improve it. Hell, just fucking expanding Medicaid would've done something better than whatever the fuck is going on.

US hospitals have to go lean cause they can barely make a profit if anything. This is just evidence of how flawed the regulation is here. Too much where it shouldn't be, and too little where it needs to be.

[Anonymous No.17974251]

>>17974174
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39640165

[Anonymous No.17974252]

>>17974146
You're fine if you're alone, even for it to spread by breath you're only looking at 1-2 meters, viruses need hosts to survive and air is where it's hardest to survive

[Anonymous No.17974266]

>>17974252
If I can recall correctly, you need to be with a person for more than 5 minutes.

[Anonymous No.17974267]

>>17974146
basically you chances of catching something from respiratory droplets at that distance are very slim. but one must observe wind also. don't talk while passing other people especially not towards them. just wave with your hand or nod.

[Anonymous No.17974380]

>>17968480
nah, no other country was dumb enough to go around in january with hug a chinese person propaganda from italian gov officials

[Anonymous No.17974397]

>>17974251
An interesting example. Thanks for sharing.

I'd be hesitant to say Cuba has better healthcare than the US based on the existence of a single drug however.

That would be analogous to saying England has the best food because you can't beat cucumber sandwiches with tea.

[Anonymous No.17974400]

>>17974266
It's bullshit, the virus replicates nearly immediately and can be detected with a swab test in just a few minutes

[Anonymous No.17974555]

>>17971561
>china population is 1.3 billion
>80000 infected
>3000 dead
it's a giant nothingburger

[Anonymous No.17974599]

>>17971310
Guinzo greaseballs definitely don’t have better healthcare than that of the USA. Any other Western European country, and I’d believe you. Italy is a primitive country full of greasers.

[Anonymous No.17974614]

>>17974555
if you don't allow it to spread sure, otherwise let's take a 5% mortality rate and that 70% of people get infected that's 91 million dead

[Anonymous No.17974668]

>>17974397
I've saw in some doc that a lot of people goes there to be cured for common illnesses too, because they can afford it, instead of their country in which they get charged too much.
Cuba healthcare is solid btw, some cuba doctors went to help in europe too, for covid problem.

[Anonymous No.17974825]

Italy has the 2nd oldest population in the world and everybody there smoke 40 a day from the age of 12.

[Anonymous No.17974879]

>>17974599
Kek even colombia and morocco have better healthcare than the us dumbass.
Italy's healthcare is top notch
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

[Anonymous No.17974898]

>>17968516
>strict quarantine?
lel

[Anonymous No.17975163]

>>17974879
Nope. Greasers do NOT have better healthcare. I’m half Italian myself. Italy is a primitive country. And I guarantee you that no one would pick a Moroccan hospital over an American one.