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[Anonymous No.17897029]

>imagine falling for (((media)))

[Anonymous No.17897049]

>>17897029
The media is desperately underplaying this virus to keep the markets afloat.

[Anonymous No.17897056]

>Trusts "source: Google News"

How can you be sure OP?

[Anonymous No.17897059]

>World is on unprecendented lockdown and the case fatality rate is 40x higher than the seasonal flu
Its just a flu bro

[Anonymous No.17897103]

>>17897049
>The media is desperately underplaying this virus to keep the markets afloat.
Are you fucking retarded?
>>17897056
Just go to google news and see for yourself
>>17897059
It literally is just a flu.

You retards look down on normies everyday yet act even normier than the normies. What happened, fellow intellectuals?

[Anonymous No.17897165]

>>17897103
>Its a flu
Thats some normie shit right there

[Anonymous No.17897166]

>>17897059
>World is on unprecendented lockdown and the case fatality rate is 40x higher than the seasonal flu

[Anonymous No.17897184]

>>17897029
>MEDIA BAD

[Anonymous No.17897195]

>>17897165
>n-no I’m not the normie. You’re the normie. Fuck you

[Anonymous No.17897196]

>>17897184
>MEDIA BAD
(((They))) are bad. If they cry wolf too many times, they shouldn't be suprised that no one believes them.

[Anonymous No.17897213]

>>17897166
The chances of random people catching it is higher. Plus its new.

[Anonymous No.17897215]

>>17897184
Oh so the kike media has credibility now?

[Anonymous No.17897232]

>>17897103
you are a fucking normie retard

[Anonymous No.17897241]

>>17897103
do you not see how all of those are completely newsworthy?

[Anonymous No.17897252]

>>17897213
>Plus its new.
That’s literally the only reason why people are dying

[Anonymous No.17897256]

>>17897103
No arguments here
>>17897166
>What is exponential growth
The current growth rate could have everyone infected by june.
If corona virus just gets as many active cases as the normal flu does its 20million dead. But it will get more because it is more contagious.

[Anonymous No.17897283]

>>17897241
I honestly can’t tell if you are just pretending or actually fucking retarded
>>17897232
Go back to /cvg if you’re so enlightened

[Anonymous No.17897300]

>>17897166
You are not comprehending that chart. Those other illnesses have been there for a decade or more. So this new thing pops up and it is rising on that chart... that's why there is legit panic going on.

[Anonymous No.17897310]

>>17897256
You don’t even have source on your claims you faggot. And China and Korea are already slowing down.

[Anonymous No.17897346]

>>17897166
ur way behind son, 642 people died of coronavirus today, that number has been getting bigger basically every day, and that's WITH the world on unprecedented lockdown.

[Anonymous No.17897362]

>>17897310
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

they're slowing down because they are in the largest lockdown in human history. When the lockdown the rate goes back up

[Anonymous No.17897369]

>>17897252
Can you just post the entire page where you're getting these facts instead of cute little tidbits?

[Anonymous No.17897399]

>>17897283
i must be fucking retarded for not being mindblown by the news reporting the news

[Anonymous No.17897471]

>>17897103
>Are you fucking retarded?
Nope, but you sure are.

[Anonymous No.17897528]

>>17897103
What do you think? 4chan is 90% normal cattle at this point. Even normal cattle use the term normie in public conversation.

[Anonymous No.17897555]

>>17897346
The number of actually sick people is drastically under reported

[Anonymous No.17897556]

I would like to see the graph of case fatality rate and actual symptomatic cases per known symptomatic cases though

[Anonymous No.17897572]

>>17897555
So are the deaths from corona. Governments are doing all they can to report corona deaths as some other co-morbid cause.

[Anonymous No.17897617]

>>17897572
>the number of deaths are unreported
No, the are not at all. In fact I can say with certantity that 99% of all Corona deaths have been reported. You don't just die without a report.

Getting sick on the other hand...

If it actually spreads at the rate the CDC claims then far more people already have it than any confirmed study can prove.

[Anonymous No.17897630]

>>17897572
You really need to take your meds schizo fag
>>17897399
>>17897369
Where are the actual doctors speaking about the virus? Oh wait, I know one. Check out our boy Rom Paul

https://youtu.be/WYH0LskZWVg

[Anonymous No.17897637]

look at this shit
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

[Anonymous No.17897695]

>>17897252
why would you use a chart from over 6 days ago to relay data that is quickly changing?

[Anonymous No.17897731]

>>17897166
>don't worry bro, you probably won't die, just have permanent lung damage.

[Anonymous No.17897754]

>>17897630
>it's actually happening
ron paul disagrees

lol he's just trying to lose his meme status

[Anonymous No.17897776]

>>17897731
Again, /cvg is not a source
>>17897695
It’s basically the same you dumbass

[Anonymous No.17897778]

>>17897630
>less than 100 americans
that didn't age well

[Anonymous No.17897796]

>>17897776
41% recovered and 4% died isn't "basically the same" as 56.6% recovered and 3.5% died

[Anonymous No.17897834]

>>17897103
you sound like a retarded boomer. Have you not been paying attention to what happened in China and Italy?

[Anonymous No.17897876]

>>17897834
Virus is slowing down in China and Korea. China got rid of the temporary hospitals because the case is going down.
>Italy
Lol why are you bringing up that mismanaged third world shithole?

[Anonymous No.17897893]

>>17897796
I've already explained how flawed your death rate is.
either Corona is not as easily spread as it is claimed OR its death rate is much much much lower.

[Anonymous No.17897923]

>>17897834
>China and Italy
Have you been paying attention to what happened in Japan, Korea, and real China? No lets ignore those, those don't support my world view because they are first world nations.

[Anonymous No.17897941]

If half of you poor sons of bitches put this much belief into a crypto moon we'd be there already.

[Anonymous No.17897951]

>>17897103
/pol/ is leaking again. It’s a shame so many of you dipshits are young teenagers and never leave the house anyways. Nothing would would bring me greater joy than a virus to wipe mouth breathers like you off the earth.

[Anonymous No.17897967]

>>17897893
we shall see, chinas starting to post numbers again

[Anonymous No.17898016]

>>17897923
The numbers in China are fake and Wuhan is still in lock down, Korea is being very aggressive in testing and removing people from the population and their population that was infected is much younger then Italy. Finally the nips are not testing as much as they should and are trying to save face for the Olympics. Their numbers are also very likely shit.
The most honest so far has been Italy they even have a github for their data.
https://github.com/pcm-dpc/COVID-19.git
Is this world ending? Well no but its dangerous enough to collapse a nations healthcare system with exponential growth given the percentage that die.
That will be enough to collapse the economy given the bubble that we are in.
People should be worried this is more then a nothing burger and not a media lie. Fuck the media was downplaying it up until very recently when it became to large to ignore.

[Anonymous No.17898045]

>>17897029
it's up a billion more

[Anonymous No.17898047]

>>17897893
the 4% isn't death rate it is case fatality rate (cfr) it is currently 40x worse than the flu

[Anonymous No.17898069]

>>17898047
>the 4% isn't death rate it is case fatality rate (cfr) it is currently 40x worse than the flu
Thanks for the source

[Anonymous No.17898096]

>>17898016
Thanks for providing source

[Anonymous No.17898194]

>>17898096
>Wuhan traffic
https://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/traffic-index/wuhan-traffic
look at the data for seven days nearly zero cars are moving
>testing data
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-tests-country
With respect to the nips saving face that is an inference based upon their culture. I also forgot to mention nearly every one in their country will be using surgical masks which will reduce spread. That to can help account for their numbers. In Europe no one is in masks.
>exponential curve
https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applications/global-cases-covid-19/
You can find that here
>CFR
>3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the World Health Organization (WHO) as of March 3
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
For everything else do the fucking math with respect to your host nation and hospital beds.
The collapse of the healthcare system is basically guaranteed given the age of the populations in places like Europe and US

[Anonymous No.17898196]

>>17898069
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate
what do you mean you retard it's that by definition
deaths/known cases 7988/198,513 = 4%
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

flus cfr is .1% https://about.futurelearn.com/blog/covid-19-how-does-coronavirus-compare-to-other-outbreaks

[Anonymous No.17898209]

>>17898194
There's a pill that cures it now

[Anonymous No.17898220]

>>17897184
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17898234]

>>17898069
the cfr doesn't have to maintain that % but there isn't anyone that believes ending lock downs wouldn't increase it

It's just completely false to say corona virus is trivial.
The only argument you can make is that the data is fraudulent but where's the evidence of that

[Anonymous No.17898240]

>>17898016
>>17898047

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/lower-coronavirus-death-rate-estimates/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article

Its basically nothing... stop reading /cvg/ threads and media articles. Just read studies.

[Anonymous No.17898249]

>>17898209
There are possible treatments without any serious clinical testing and no double blind studies.
Call me in a year or two and maybe you will have something.

[Anonymous No.17898278]

>>17898249
They will fast track everything

[Anonymous No.17898308]

>>17898240
I have been knee deep in medrxiv.org since January. It was the studies that convinced me this is something you twat.
Are you able to form an argument yourself?
have you read any of the studies?

[Anonymous No.17898351]

>>17898278
old news the Chinese already recommended it as part of their protocol. Try to keep up
> You can try hydroxychloroquine sulfate or chloroquine phosphate, or Abidol for oral administration, interferon nebulization and inhalation, interferon κ is preferred, and interferon α recommended by the national scheme can also be applied. 不建议同时使用3种或以上抗病毒药物。 It is not recommended to use 3 or more antivirals at the same time. 在病毒核酸转阴后应及时停用。 The viral nucleic acid should be stopped in time after it becomes negative. 所有抗病毒治疗药物的疗效还有待于进一步的临床研究来评估。 The efficacy of all antiviral drugs remains to be evaluated in further clinical studies.
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bF2YhJKiOfe1yimBc4XwOA
Its not a magic cure

[Anonymous No.17898362]

>>17898240
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/lower-coronavirus-death-rate-estimates/
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article
>cfr in wuhan 1.4% 14x more than the flu
wuhan had the most extreme lock downs is still in lockdown
meanwhile the actual current global cfr is 4%

>https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article
makes no comment on severity of overal disease just details a patients infection

imagine lying this blatantly

[Anonymous No.17898430]

>>17898362
>"The chance of someone with symptomatic Covid-19 dying varied by age, confirming other studies. For those aged 15 to 44, the fatality rate was 0.5%, though it might have been as low as 0.1% or as high as 1.3%. For people 45 to 64, the fatality rate was also 0.5%, with a possible low of 0.2% and a possible high of 1.1%. For those over 64, it was 2.7%, with a low and high estimate of 1.5% and 4.7%.

>The chance of serious illness from coronavirus infection in younger people was so low, the scientists estimate a fatality rate of zero."

>"As physicians and researchers have seen since the start of the outbreak, many infected people never become sick. As few as 14% of people in Wuhan with early coronavirus infections were being detected, said epidemiologist Jeffrey Shaman of the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University, who led a study published on Monday in Science on undocumented coronavirus infections.

>“I think there are many more than the [nearly] 70,000” confirmed Covid-19 cases in Hubei province, Shaman told reporters.

>That means the “infection fatality rate” — deaths among people who have the virus but might or might not show disease symptoms — is even lower than Wu and his colleagues calculate."

imagine it... and that single patient study tracks like all cases in people under 70. Actually try reading. You cant just divide one number by another and surmise HURRDURR 14x WORSE!!!
Thats not how trend projection works.

[Anonymous No.17898516]

>>17898430
and yet they still had to build "hospitals" in wuhan to deal with the number of patients it produced.
Don't you understand that our current healthcare system runs at nearly full capacity? It does not have the extra room to absorb the sudden influx from the virus.
Even if they are old its enough to cause a potential collapse and ripple outward.
You a younger person get in a car accident and die because their are not enough doctors to treat you. That is a possibility.

[Anonymous No.17898590]

>>17898430
the distribution of deaths with respect to age is the same between the flu and corona. No shit old people are more likely to die. It's completely irrelevant to this thread.
It has nothing to do with the projection of the cfr. Which is already very high when the world is doing everything it can which is not enough to stop hospitals being overwhelmed and the cfr then increasing >>17897637

[Anonymous No.17898593]

>>17898516

Thats definitely a legitimate concern. I think social separation is a good idea and that we should take it seriously but everyone acting like its airborne superaids is blatantly ignoring the fact that its simply not that bad.

[Anonymous No.17898642]

>>17898593
>airborne superaids
you are the only one talking like this.
all objective measures indicate this is the worst flu since the spanish flu.

[Anonymous No.17898675]

>>17898593
Given that in western countries zero precautions, like surgical masks for as many people as possible, are not being taken the spread will be worse here then countries like Korea(best response in the world) and maybe Japan.
Manufacturing has been outsourced, which limits production, and places like India are already forbidding the export of drugs (unless you are Israel)
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Despite-export-ban-India-to-continue-drug-supply-to-Israel-620938
There are serious concerns to the system in which we all live. Its not the virus necessarily has anyone who has been paying attention worked up, although it is a huge concern, its how the virus along with other factors place the entire machine of modernity in terrible risk.
Just look at the fed the bubble has popped and they are going the way of hyperinflation quite possibly.
This is more then just oh nothing is wrong go back to work alarm bells are fucking ringing an have been since early January for anyone with enough sense to put all the pieces together.

[Anonymous No.17899699]

>>17897029
>(((exponential growth)))
>(((limited healthcare resources)))
>(((unforeseen consequences)))
Yeah ok mr shekelbergstein

[Anonymous No.17901101]

>>17897029
>imagine being this retarded.

I bet you also think china manufactured a disease too. Kill yourself.