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Looks like the boomer market is starting to realize this is all a hoax over a literal common cold.

>> No.17791257

>>17791246
Hello CCP.

>> No.17791271

>>17791246
The common cold doesn't hospitalize 20% of people who get it.

>> No.17791324

>>17791246
Lol. Nice photoshop.

>> No.17791363

>>17791271
this

>> No.17791405

>>17791271
The vast majority of people don't even get tested because they just have a mild cold.

>> No.17791983

>>17791405
pretty much everyone with the mildest cold symptoms wants to get tested now

>> No.17792288

>>17791246
Here we have a retard who actually believes they just dun thunk up the name coronavirus for this specific viral strain and that there's a cover up because it's really just a common cold, rather than Corona being a designation for a kind if virus

>> No.17792303

>>17792288
Stay salty fear monger. Its a common cold.

>> No.17792327

>>17791271
>>17791246

According to the cruise ship results (the most comprehensive picture of the virus due to everyone onboard getting tested), the mortality rate is more like ~0.5% and the majority of people displayed no or mild symptoms. Everyone who has died was 70 or older.

So that's kind of bad but not apocalyptic like we're being told. This is a potentially scarier flu for old people.

>> No.17792343

>>17791405
Is 80% considered a vast majority?

>> No.17792412

>>17792327
china described the disease as mild, moderate or severe depending on the cases
mild was a case of pneumonia
moderate was pneumonia requiring use of an oxygen tank
severe was lung failure requiring use of an ecmo machine to oxygenate the blood

pneumonia is not "mild" to anyone with a brain

>> No.17792447

>>17792412

I don't know how this is supposed to retort what I said. "Mild" either feels like nothing or like the cold. Pneumonia is a fairly serious illness that can keep you in bed for a week.

>> No.17792483

>>17792412
Pneumonia is just a broad catch all term for any inflammation of the sacs of the lung due to infection. It's only severe if it is acute or chronic. So yeah you can classify pneumonia as mild in a wide array of cases. What's bad about pneumonia is that once everything is a little fluid in the lungs it can become a hot bed for subsequent bacterial infections so what kills you is the subsequent bacterial infection and not the initial viral one. People at risk for these types of chronic bouts with pneumonia are anyone with a compromised immune system for whatever myriad of reasons.

>> No.17792502

>>17792447
I am merely talking past you, son. No need to be confused.
>>17792483
>deconstructing what pneumonia is
based

>> No.17792540

>>17792502

Ah ok, thanks for sharing. Reiterating doctored Chinese talking points and all rather than listening to a controlled study conducted by researchers aboard the only contained and comprehensive experimental environment to date.

You're right, a "moderate" case is being hooked up to a fucking tube you utter retard.

>> No.17792563

>>17792483
It can also be lateral or bilateral

>> No.17792583

>>17792540
The chinks described that as the moderate case.

>> No.17792586

>>17792540
You're telling the Chinese are lying? No fucking way

>> No.17792597

>>17791246
when was the last time the president announced a state of emergency for a common cold? maybe you should try thinking before posting stupid shit and wasting everyone's time.

>> No.17792628

>>17792586

Yeah I know, hard to believe. Maybe we should take their guidance as gospel rather than people we can observe ourselves, when have the Chinkshits ever lead us wrong

>oh right, that one time they unleashed a global pandemic on the world

>> No.17792651

>>17791246
>An EXAMPLE of a coronavirus is the common cold
All common colds are coronaviruses
Not all coronaviruses are common colds
How is so fucking hard for you retards?

>> No.17792662

>>17792651
CHINESE LIES!!!

>> No.17792669

>>17792597
imagine being this ignorant

>> No.17792687

>>17792651
I thought colds were rinovirus

>> No.17792716

>>17792303
Corona is literally just describing the crown shaped protein at the end of the pilli. That's literally all it has in common with the common cold.

>> No.17792720

>>17792669
didn't know i was in the presence of a genius. please enlighten me.

>> No.17792754

>>17792597
Because he is dumb enough to believe the hoax.

>> No.17792766

>>17792327
the cruise ship is not the "most comprehensive picture of the virus" that doesn't make any god damn sense anon

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17792794

>>17791246
>be me, NEET
>Wake up at 11PM
>Boomer dad still awake doing random shit
>Even on weekdays he stays up until 12am even though he goes to work at 7am
>I have to wait hours before I can go in the kitchen and make food

Why are boomers like this, go the fuck to bed. I hope coronavirus kills all boomers

https://incendar.com/baby_boomer_deathclock.php

>> No.17792803

>>17791246
I wish this was a filovirus instead

>> No.17792804

>>17792687
they are
https://web.archive.org/web/20190712060419/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

>> No.17792813

>>17792794

kill yourself dude

>> No.17792818

>>17792754
how is it a hoax? do you think people getting sick are crisis actors? genuinely curious what goes through retards minds like yourself.

>> No.17792819

>>17792766
Sure it does. It's literally the perfect control cohort. Why do you think they made them sit out there? They needed an excuse for a captive live human test group of size that could be controlled for all other factors.

>> No.17792821

>>17792766

Yes it is. They had a sample infected population of n=700 (statistically significant) and everybody on board got tested, meaning those with the mildest of symptoms. Elsewhere, only people with moderate to severe symptoms are bothering to get tested, muddling the picture. The cruise ship was basically one giant, impromptu controlled experiment that we could have only dreamed to get a chance at and get a clearer idea of what this virus is and what it can do on a full population.

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17792825

>>17792813
ok boomer

>> No.17792851

>>17791246
>tfw have been dealing with Molluscum Contagiosum for the last three months.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.17792870

>>17792818
Yes, its a common cold being blown way out of portion all because they want you scared and easier to control. Everything you are seeing out of these countries is political theater pushed by the media.

>> No.17792880

>>17792819
>>17792821
you guys literally have no fucking idea what you're talking about. you aren't epidemiologists.

you cannot take a bunch of passengers on a random cruise ship and extrapolate to the entire human population. if you don't understand how retarded that would be i don't know what to tell you. they left them out there because governments are shitting their pants

>> No.17792883

>>17792851

what harry potter spell is that?

>> No.17792900

>>17792880

You're right you fucking moron, better to look at the extremely limited and uncontrolled population samples we have in Italy, or go ahead and take the pathologically dishonest Chinese data which is similarly confounded

I fucking hate you. Get corona and die

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17792909

>>17792804

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17792915

>>17792687
Some common colds ARE rhinoviruses
It's a description of it's pilli. You line up 30 rhinovirus capsules and each capsule could contain a different disease from rather "benign" to "you're dead"
Look at ops pic.
See the little pictures at the top?
That table is used for narrowing down a bug by morphological taxonomy.

>> No.17792964

>>17791246
>Image source: Facebook

thanks OP

>> No.17793006

>>17792766
Yes it is.

t.public health bachelor's degree

almost everyone got infected, almost no one died.

it is absolutely the common cold, it's just far more infectious, so everyone is getting the cold at once.

Look at Massachusetts, they are the most medically advanced state in the US with the 4th highest number of cases, no one there really cares.

It's the spergs on the west coast who are always overdramatic, and notorious retarded fag deblasio calling in the national guard over the sniffles because he knows the nypd wont obey him.

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17793045

remember a boomer dies every 18 seconds, Corona chan will help us speed this up!!

>> No.17793055

>>17791271
Getting hospitalized doesn't mean you're at any risk.

>> No.17793089

>>17793006
>no one there really cares.

I live in Mass and that's absolute bullshit. Literally all events and schools are shutting down because of this, from elementary schools to colleges. Hell we have hospitals in the Boston area stopping all elective surgeries for a few months

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17793117

Weirdly enough, I'm thinking that letting it spread would be a net benefit. If you take 320,000,000 (in the US), assume 60% get infected at this viruses peak, with a 0.5% mortality rate (mostly concentrated among the elderly), you've got 960,000 less older people draining the system and that many more estates getting flushed back out into the economy.

And who knows, maybe after this mini-crisis we get a little baby boom as well.

>> No.17793119

>>17793089
Government overreaction isn't proof that coronavirus is worse than the flu. Politicians do stupid things all the time.

>> No.17793166

>>17793119
>Government overreaction

Hospitals aren't the government. Event venues and kid's sports leagues aren't the government. Also it's funny the dude's waving around a bachelor's degree like it means jack shit

>> No.17793181

>>17793055
>Getting hospitalized doesn't mean you're at any risk.

?????

>>17793006
>it is absolutely the common cold, it's just far more infectious

lies

>> No.17793196

>>17793166
Governments are forcing everything to shut down. The chinese government shutting down factories is what popped the debt bubble.

>> No.17793212

>>17793181
It's easy to get hospitalized.

>> No.17793237

>>17793196
>Governments are forcing everything to shut down.

The government hasn't told hospitals they have to stop doing elective surgery. I work in one and it's entirely on the hospital deciding that

>> No.17793261

>>17793237
When did I mention hospitals?

>> No.17793289

>>17793261

I assumed you were following the line of discussion when I was talking about things that are shutting down not due to the government. I didn't expect you to just essentially repeat yourself pointlessly

>> No.17793331

>>17792880
>you guys aren't epidemiologists
No but I literally heard straight from a top epidemiologist's mouth that he thought the cruise ship situation was quote
>a rather cruel experiment

>> No.17793380

>>17793289
Things are being shut down by governments. Wuhan, a major manufacturing hub, was shut down by the Chinese government. Travel has been made much more difficult by many governments. Italy shut down shops and restaurants. Governments shutting things down is what popped the debt bubble. I never mentioned hospitals.

>> No.17793410

>>17793331

>cruel

In other words, another day in Japan

>> No.17793458

>>17793181
so you agree that people are actually getting sick and its not a hoax. it is a coronavirus, but the main issue with this new coronavirus is that more people require hospitalization than the common flu that goes around every year. it is literally different from the coronavirus causing flu you're talking about. so hospitals are going to get over run with people that require intensive care, which results in more deaths because they can't treat everyone. it can't be that hard to understand why this is an issue, can it?

>> No.17793514

>>17793458
The hoax is that its anything more than a cold and 99% of regular people who are not ancient will have problems with it. Its all theater. Wake up.

>> No.17793555

>>17793514
It's a conveniant scapegoat for anyone involved with the broken monetary system that caused this bubble though.

>> No.17793661

>>17791405
They're talking about letting people die in Italy because their hospitals are overwhelmed. You, sir, are a fucking idiot. It's blows my mind how bind people are about the mess they're in for.

>> No.17793691

>>17793661
He's right though. Coronavirus isn't that bad for most people.

>> No.17793722

>>17793514
This is yet to spread like wildfire in India. Screencap this

>> No.17793799

>>17793691
When they say that 80% get "mild" symptoms, they mean "these people won't die without medical intervention."
We have no idea how many survivors end up with permanent lung damage.
Italy's current case fatality rate is over 7% and rising as they medical system is overwhelmed.
Even China's (they acted much earlier) case fatality rate is 3.9 %.
There's no reason to think that China won't have more waves as they try to return to normalcy.
Explain to me how any of this amounts to it being no big deal.

>> No.17793814

>>17791405
Then why is it overwhelming hospitals? Stop being a fucking moron.

>> No.17793824

>>17793799

You're still wrong. The mortality rate isn't ridiculous, it's elevated at 0.5% but not apocalyptic. The thing about this disease is how contagious it is and how quickly it is spreading, being presumably airborne. So rather than being 0.5% for some limited typical virus it's 0.5% for a virus with the potential to take over 50% of the country in a matter of a month or two.

>> No.17793902

>>17793824
Where do you get 0.5% from? Even S. Korea is at 0.8% and they took is very seriously very early on.
And the point is that 15-20% need medical intervention. It's so infective that if a country doesn't take early, drastic action, it's system will get overwhelmed and the mortality rate will skyrocket (see Italy).

>> No.17793920

>>17793902
The cruise ship

>> No.17793944

>>17793902

When will you faggots understand that the mortality rate is a product of those who were actually tested? There is no way for them to extrapolate the data they have and assert conclusively how many people are out there getting mild cold like symptoms and not bothering with testing

It's 0.5%, 1% at the very worst. This thing only kills old people with failing lungs.

>> No.17793992

>>17793920
It has 7 deaths out of 696 cases, which is about 1%
Or.. 7 out of 325 resolved cases which is 2.15%
(so far, keep in mind there are still 32 serious/critical cases)
There's also no overwhelming of medical services for the ship.

Not sure were you get 0.5%

>> No.17794005

>>17793944
The Spanish flu had a CASE fatality rate of 2.5%. That is IDENTIFIED cases.
This is literally worse than the Spanish flu in Italy so far.

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>>17792794
Why are you waking up at fucking 11pm

>> No.17794016

>>17793992

Adjusted for age. The median age of the ship is 58 where it's more like 41 in the general pop. Everyone who has died on the ship was over 70.

>> No.17794034

>>17794016
True, it does kill mainly older people. Doesn't mean it's not gonna be a huge deal.

>> No.17794054

>>17794034

It will be a big deal, but not for the reasons people think. It's mostly about how quickly it spreads. Everyone 70 and over is going to need to be kept on lockdown for a while but the rest of society doesn't need to grind to a halt.

>> No.17794069

>>17793089
Just not true. I'm over the border in NH. Baker seemed very unconcerned in the press conference, he only just halted gatherings while deblasio was calling in the army over 9 cases, has not encouraged work from home, and the stores are full of everything except hand sanitizer and thermometer as opposed to NYC/west coast where people are fighting over the roaches in the empty fruit stands.

Educated people are not taking this more seriously than they are legally liable too.

>> No.17794120

>>17794054
Well Italy certainly seems to be grinding to a halt. We mind end up in a situation where everyone is locked down, spread stops, people start getting back to normal and spread picks up again. Repeat until 60% of the population has had the disease.
That'll be a lot of deaths, nothing apocalyptic, like you said, but the economy's gonna be pretty raped.

>> No.17794159

>>17794034
It means it is not a bit deal for anyone 70+. AKA nobody that matters. They want you to be scared even though 99% of people will suffer a minor cold.

>> No.17794190

>>17794159
I'd like some cheap real estate prices as much as the next guy, but I don't really want my parents to die.

>> No.17794212

>>17794190

Which is why it should honestly be older people (60 and over) self quarantining strictly, rather than the rest of society doing it at cost of everybody. This should be understood pragmatically rather than the whole country going on lockdown.

>> No.17794261

>>17794212
Well we can talk about what should be done, but we're headed straight for a Italy type situation based on actions taken so far.
Personally, I'm going to do my best to avoid catching it until the rate of long term damage for younger people is known.
There still way to many open questions about this thing.

>> No.17794310

>>17794159
why are we wasting all this money and resources on old people who are going to be dead in a couple of years anyway? just give them some morphine to keep them comfortable until they die.

>> No.17794333

>>17794310
Many government bean counters agree.This is a godsend for pension administrators, medicare, and social security.

>> No.17794399

>>17794333
old people die from insignificant shit all the time. a few less people on this planet isn't going to hurt anything. more left over for the young and healthy.

>> No.17794499

>>17794333
Big pharma would like a word with you

>> No.17794598

>>17793814

Because people with seasonal flu symptoms are rushing to the hospital because of mass panic. Like you, people are dividing 2 raw numbers, taking that single data point and projecting it linearly into the future without any idea how trend projection actually works or considering the vast amounts of data needed for accurate statistical modeling of reality. Its a nothingburger if you are under 70 years old....

>> No.17794712

>>17794598
>ICUs are overflowing because seasonal flu symptoms are rushing to the hospital
Are you for real anon?

>> No.17794879

>>17791246
Please wake up from the coma. Your relatives miss you. Nothing they have done until now has worked.

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17794946

Italian here.
Civil Protection today literally said that out of all the cases only 2 really died for the virus (and they still have to check better the medical records.
All the other patients that died were in the 80-89 age range (mostly men) with pre-existing conditions, so people that was going to die anyway and Corona just gave them a little push.
Can't believe people fell for this shit, what it really scares me are the potential repercussions on local and global economy. Mostly likely it was (((their))) plan to fund an excuse to start the upcoming global recession.

>> No.17794979

>>17794946
Based truth poster.

>> No.17795001

>>17794712

>Patients treated in the ICU (n=36), compared with patients not treated in the ICU (n=102), were older (median age, 66 years vs 51 years), were more likely to have underlying comorbidities (26 [72.2%] vs 38 [37.3%]), and were more likely to have dyspnea (23 [63.9%] vs 20 [19.6%]), and anorexia (24 [66.7%] vs 31 [30.4%]).

Its older people with underlying health complications. Stop reading 4chan posts and CNN stories and read some actual studies. The ICU's are only being flooded in Italy because of the generally older population.

>> No.17795055

Mortality is pretty low when you can treat it properly.

And yes, overrun hospitals won't be able to treat it properly.

But I don't even care about that. I care about the fact that there is no immunity. You can get this shit over and over again in a short period of time. We don't even know for a fact that this virus is fully eradicated from the body when you get better. It may just go dormant and outbreak later, like herpes.

We don't have solid information yet.

>> No.17795070

>>17791246
This is the real deal. If you haven't exited all markets on this bounce, prepare your anus. Only Kleros will get through this unscathed.

>> No.17795107

>>17793006
Durrrr me have bachelors. Get a PhD retard

>> No.17795142

>>17795055

>"However, according to Dr Stephen Gluckman...Coronaviruses aren’t new, they’ve been around for a long, long time and many species - not just humans - get them. So we know a fair amount about coronaviruses in general. For the most part, the feeling is once you’ve had a specific coronavirus, you are immune. We don’t have enough data to say that with this coronavirus, but it is likely.”

Reinfection could be an issue but it is unlikely. Any virus, not just covid-19, could potentially mutate and reinfect a host.

>> No.17795219

>>17792288
Your writing is terrible, I didn’t comprehend anything you wrote.

>> No.17795250

>>17795142
It may only be in immunocompromised people, but people are relapsing back into the disease after recovery.

Hopefully its not an issue in healthy adults.

>> No.17795308

>>17795250

>"If you get an infection, your immune system is revved up against that virus,” Keiji Fukuda, director of Hong Kong University’s School of Public Health, told the Los Angeles Times. “To get reinfected again when you’re in that situation would be quite unusual unless your immune system was not functioning right.
Fukuda told the paper that it’s more likely patients are being released from hospitals while carrying dormant fragments of the disease that are not infectious, but resemble the virus when tested.
The test may be positive, but the infection is not there,he said."

I think reinfection is a concern. Could certainly be an issue but it just seems like false positives or strange immune system deficiencies.

>> No.17795357

>>17795308
Enveloped viruses can mutate frequently with ease and lead to persistent recurring infection of the host. Still, a cold is a cold.