/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.17780289]

C-c-contradictions...

[Anonymous No.17780310]

Daily reminder: Angry online NEET Communists will always be losers and failures at life.

As they believe the markets are "rigged" against the people, they do not participate in the economy; they do not try to open a business or get a job because they believe "capitalism is rigged" so it's not worth trying. They are poor when the economy is good and they are destitute when the economy is bad.

Every morning they fall asleep in their damp mother's basement mattress, they dream that their SKY DADDY COMMUNISM will miraculously drop from the sky and perform miracles on their poor life decisions.

[Anonymous No.17780340]

>>17780289
there is only one problem comrade
"why work"
if I don't benefit I wont do shit
also competition still happens but you compete for party positions

[Anonymous No.17780455]

[Anonymous No.17780493]

>>17780340
competing for party positions definitely doesn't happen in america

[Anonymous No.17780530]

Based

>>17780455
>implying trumptards are the only ones that hate commies
Can't wait to gas you faggots soon.

[Anonymous No.17780568]

>>17780530
Buy the DIP drumpfy

[Anonymous No.17780638]

>>17780340
But you will benefit from work.

[Anonymous No.17780675]

>>17780638
he's a lil too simple to understand that

[Anonymous No.17780742]

>>17780638
People will work their absolute minimum in a society where all types of effort brings equal outcome.

[Anonymous No.17780790]

>>17780742
that's how it is in capitalism. most workers do the minimum. the way to get ahead in capitalism is just to become a parasite, doing unethical things. you think billionaires got there through honest work? lol

[Anonymous No.17780852]

>>17780742
In communism if you make something you keep it, equal pay for equal work.

[Anonymous No.17780873]

>>17780638
I don't benefit
I work you comrade take 50% of my shit
I am better of being a criminal or a terrorist
I am talking about Europe now
so I do what every good socialist do and that is to pretend that I work

[Anonymous No.17780878]

>>17780790
i live in a country that was socialist, most workers did jackshit and in many cases stole from the workplace with absolutely no repercussions

[Anonymous No.17780885]

>>17780568
Stay seething commie kike

[Anonymous No.17780896]

>>17780790
>that's how it is in capitalism. most workers do the minimum
Get a load of this bullshit

[Anonymous No.17780942]

>>17780790
In capitalism the goal is to get as much as possible; what you do (low effort or very inspired high effort) doesn't really matter.

And even if what you say about Capitalism is correct, the effects are much worse in Communism where outcomes are stagnant and/or same.

>doing unethical things
Taking things from others is inherently unethical? Did you never receive a paycheck in your life? Giving and taking is life.

>All successful people cheated so a "good guy" like me will never succeed. Therefore I will never try and just wait for communism to save me

see >>17780310

[Anonymous No.17780946]

>>17780852
>In communism if you make something you keep it
..how would you apply this in the modern world?

[Anonymous No.17780948]

>tfw using the immortal science of Dialectical Materialism to predict the stock market
Where's your snake now faggot

[Anonymous No.17780976]

>>17780790
its not worth arguing with room tempature iq capitalist bootlickers comrade

[Anonymous No.17780991]

>>17780942
>he's defending jewish billionaires again
please tell me why people like paul singer deserve to keep their money

[Anonymous No.17780992]

>>17780873
Your boss takes way more than 50% of your work's value, and yet you still allow him to do so.

[Anonymous No.17780995]

>>17780852
Wasn't that socialism, /leftypol/ are you ok?

[Anonymous No.17781027]

>>17780946
Your labor has a value, and so you get all of that value back in the form of goods and such.

[Anonymous No.17781042]

>>17780992
and like a cuck, he gets nothing in return.

i bet he's gonna say it's not real capitalism too. LOL

[Anonymous No.17781056]

Reminder pic related solved Marxism and reading any Marxist besides him is an utter waste of time.

[Anonymous No.17781064]

>>17780992
the reason I have a boos is because the state exists
no state, things are much more dynamic

[Anonymous No.17781069]

>>17780995
Socialism is lower stage communism, higher stage communism where everything is automated and no one works is Utopian.

[Anonymous No.17781072]

>>17780991
>You're either a poor loser or a Gazillionaire! Us vs them!

Angry basement dweller with a sense of reality warped by years of endless internet use detected

[Anonymous No.17781096]

>>17781064
>no state, things are much more dynamic
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.17781107]

>>17780878
that’s definitely unique to your socialist country btw
there are no lazy workers where you live now

[Anonymous No.17781118]

>>17780991
Also I want to stay in the upper-middle class than be equally poor like you angry NEET Commie losers.

Yeah I'm selfish I'M SO SORRY.

[Anonymous No.17781121]

>>17781064
oh my god. you are a grug brain.

>hurr durr, remove state. make things more dynamic

absolute state of capital cucks

[Anonymous No.17781136]

>>17781096
the state is the problem
no state no problem
nationhood is a believe system that is getting so weak, people need to be programmed from 4 to 24

[Anonymous No.17781137]

>>17781072
You are either getting bailed out during this crash or you aren’t, that’s right

[Anonymous No.17781157]

>>17781096
He has this delusion in his head where the power void won't immediately be filled by monopoly corporations who will purchase mercenaries to seize property and defend it

[Anonymous No.17781174]

>>17781136
Explain exactly how without a state you'd have no boss.

[Anonymous No.17781186]

>>17781118
if this is the best defense of capital you can muster, then the communist revolution is gonna happen much quicker than i thought

[Anonymous No.17781190]

>>17780790
> the way to get ahead in capitalism is just to become a parasite

True capitalism is all about running your own small business where a truck driver saves enough money to branch of into his own small trucking company to fill unmet needs in his area, for which others compensate his services with enough money to pay a wage to the workers he hires. Social mobility motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.17781198]

>>17780852
Anon, do you understand what "private property" is?

[Anonymous No.17781205]

>>17781107
>there are no lazy workers where you live now
yeah, but they are a minority
my problem is doing jackshit was the norm

[Anonymous No.17781214]

>>17781157
Regressing to feudalism to own the commies.

[Anonymous No.17781220]

>>17781190
yes, exploiting labor is how you form a "successful" small business. and?

[Anonymous No.17781229]

>>17781157
try it out
as long as there is no belief
like it is a religion now
people will find a way

currently people are getting cucked because they act not according to their interest but to the "greater good"

[Anonymous No.17781259]

>>17781198
Private property refers to the private ownership of the means of production, a consequence of that ownership is that only you gets to decide who benefits from its products, even if you don't contribute to labor.

[Anonymous No.17781288]

>>17781229
I just want to thank you for displaying the intelligence level of those who hate commies.

(just in case you need it spelled out: you're retarded)

[Anonymous No.17781293]

>>17781205
>lazy workers are the minority
you’re not a manager, are you?

[Anonymous No.17781300]

>>17781174
no state will mean no mandatory nothing
my boss takes lets say 10% productivity, but the state takes 50% and more
typical human produces 5x what he needs
no state would mean I will not be in a state issued labor structure, the boss will have a lot more to keep me working for him

[Anonymous No.17781344]

>>17781288
you mostly welcome
we the right, are right

like all superstitious, the state is waning and will die

[Anonymous No.17781371]

>>17780310
Based
Commies live in a mental prison they build themselves. They have very low self esteem and are so deep into learned helplessness that their only hope in life is that the collective will save them.

[Anonymous No.17781409]

>>17781186
>the communist revolution is gonna happen much quicker than i thought
Angry online Communist NEETS of the world UNITE!

[Anonymous No.17781436]

>>17781300
>my boss takes lets say 10% productivity, but the state takes 50% and more
You mean through taxes? Your boss takes way more value from you than the state ever takes in taxes, and that's without getting into the fact that communism wouldn't have a state or taxes.

[Anonymous No.17781445]

>>17780310
right wingers stay strawmanning. every other communist I know is either a wagie or a tradesman. every NEET I’ve ever known is either a lolbert or ancap.

[Anonymous No.17781458]

>>17781371
or maybe commies are making legitimate criticism of capitalism and you idiots have no counterarguments so you just fantasize about torturing the people who bested you in argumentation

[Anonymous No.17781475]

>>17781445
my dad works at nintendo

[Anonymous No.17781504]

>>17781445
this, LOL. you have to be a NEET to have such retarded lolbert / ancap beliefs.

[Anonymous No.17781528]

>>17781436
if I produce 100 bags of rice
my boss takes 10
my state - OUR STATE - takes 50
I have 40 bags for me

[Anonymous No.17781621]

>>17781528
your boss is taking all the rice you retard. this is how your precious capitalism works

[Anonymous No.17781647]

>>17781528
Literal strawman. A socialist state will absolutely give you back your 100 bags of rice, maybe take like 10-20 bags in value for further social development, which will still benefit you.

[Anonymous No.17781689]

lol at all of the porky/kike shills in this thread. It took the entire capitalist world to take down ONE sizable socialist state and now the other one is taking over the world as we speak. You lost.

[Anonymous No.17781697]

>>17781445
I made that copypasta after talking to Leftists at /his/ for ~3-4 years.

Every time the debate becomes personal and ad hominem-y I noticed how the Leftists start cry/whining that the economy/system is rigged and unless you're "born into wealth" you can almost never succeed under Capitalism. I keep telling them that you should at least try (it worked for me) but they keep saying it's impossible to win unless you're a "cheating billionaire" like this loser is saying >>17780790

Also when I use this copypasta they never denied that they were NEETs. Yesterday some commie raiders here were proud of their NEET status and "the NEETS are going to seize the means of..." blah blah blah. You're the first person to say that communists are not NEETS.

[Anonymous No.17781706]

>>17781621
no he is not
my state is taking stuff and provides nothing
in ancapistan
my boss still will take 10 bags
and I will pay 10 bags for insurance

but in the end I will have 80 bags not 40

[Anonymous No.17781755]

>>17781647
the state will give me back my stuff

how about not take it first

it is very easy comrade

[Anonymous No.17781810]

>>17781458
Legit criticisms of capitalism is not enough.

[Anonymous No.17781819]

>>17781755
The "state" is just a regulatory body controlled by all the working people, it doesn't even matter you still got your shit back.

[Anonymous No.17781858]

https://top.gg/servers/688097722821247061

[Anonymous No.17781899]

>>17781819
comrade
you don't know how this works
once the people are cost to you, you reduce the cost

as I said before, completion will just switch to party positions, that will corrupt the party beyond imagination as it always happens

meanwhile since there is no profit motive, resource allocation will kill the supply chain

[Anonymous No.17781935]

>>17781697
Damn bro, your anecdotal evidence counters my anecdotal evidence. What ever am I to do?

[Anonymous No.17781973]

>>17781445
>every other communist I know is either a wagie or a tradesman
what a load of shit, there is no group that hates communists more than blue collar working folk who know the meaning of hard work

[Anonymous No.17782038]

>>17781935
I talked to so many salty Leftist NEET losers at /his/ that it should become a statistical evidence.

I'm doing the census work there you should thank me.

[Anonymous No.17782041]

>>17781899
Well, the party only gets corrupted if there is no checks on it, and that's why the soviet union fell. We need to be armed and organized so that the bureaucracy doesn't get corrupted. And even still, this corrupted party was way less exploitative than capitalist businesses.

[Anonymous No.17782046]

>>17781935
Keep repeating your (laughable) anecdotal evidence anyways?

[Anonymous No.17782111]

>>17782041
yes comrade the gestapo will protect the party

but, you still have toilet paper shortage

no profit = no reason do shit
not keeping what I earn = no pint of working

[Anonymous No.17782143]

>>17782111
Could you say that in English, please?

[Anonymous No.17782155]

>>17782143
no

[Anonymous No.17782179]

>>17782041
>And even still, this corrupted party was way less exploitative than capitalist businesses.
I disagree

[Anonymous No.17782211]

>>17781190
>true capitalism
>NOT REAL CAPITALISM!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.17782244]

>>17782179
Why? There was way way less wealth disparity in the soviet union than in most of the capitalist world.

[Anonymous No.17782272]

>>17782211
mandatory this and that is not capitalism

[Anonymous No.17782320]

>>17782244
everybody was equality poor
happy times right

[Anonymous No.17782334]

Marx work was an analysis, not a political ideology tractatus

Saying that some political regime is better on the basis of what is said is completely missing the point

[Anonymous No.17782350]

>>17782244
Yes everyone was equally pretty poor.

I want to continue living my normal upper-middle class American life. Fuck the poor.

[Anonymous No.17782372]

>>17782320
No, soviet production surpassed the USA pre-WWII and was still on par with it and Europe post-WWII.
>>17782334
I'm a Marxist and I agree.

[Anonymous No.17782376]

>>17782046
There is literally as much evidence supporting my claim as there is yours, meaning that we both have no fucking evidence other than our own personal experiences. In my time the vast majority of communists I’ve seen are wagies, few tradesmen. All of the commie NEETs I’ve ever met are weird nazbols or anarchists. Anarchists are not communists.

[Anonymous No.17782424]

>>17782372
see >>17782350

[Anonymous No.17782473]

>>17782372
that is because it was not communist yet
once it switched to communism it went ogre

[Anonymous No.17782482]

>>17781647
Literal delusion. The state will give you nothing back. It will take, redistribute into non-viable social policies and immediately proceed to become a total economical disaster. Fact.
Proof? See every socialist state.

[Anonymous No.17782496]

>>17782372
>No, soviet production surpassed the USA pre-WWII and was still on par with it and Europe post-WWII.

Still doesn't beat the fruits of an upper-middle class American life. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.17782552]

>>17782473
>it was not communist yet
>it switched to communism

[Anonymous No.17782596]

>>17782552
yes
you had a capitalistic system, and a cataclysm, WW1 and WW2 that destroyed the old order

[Anonymous No.17782605]

>>17782376
I'll have to burst your lil' cope bubble here, my bad, little guy.

[Anonymous No.17782607]

>>17782482
What you're talking about is capitalist states.
>>17782496
Proving that the only people who don't want communism are petite bourgeois.

[Anonymous No.17782687]

>>17782605
LMAO this is definitely going into my communist folder

[Anonymous No.17782724]

>>17782607
topkek, I'm talking about your shithole countries, mate. USSR, China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba. You lil' famine-ridden, corrupt, non-white, shitholes.

[Anonymous No.17782974]

>>17782607
>Proving that the only people who don't want communism are petite bourgeois.
Well technically I started well into the low class. I lived in basements with no windows and in attics of restaurants with cockroaches, rats and bedbugs. After a series of good financial decisions me and my family got firmly planted into the upper-middle class America.

That is why I zealously defend the capitalist American dream. Sure I could be a minority but once I tasted the fruit of Capitalism, I could never go back. That's why I think Communists that whine that they could never succeed in Capitalism are losers.

[Anonymous No.17783193]

>>17782605
>people who consider themselves “leftists” aka anyone who likes bernie sanders
>only protestors
>only Berlin
>only people arrested aka dumb kids
>”This’ll get that commie, this PROVES that all commies are nothing but NEETs”
The real cope

[Anonymous No.17783428]

>>17783193
cope

[Anonymous No.17783540]

>>17781458
>commies are making legitimate criticism of capitalism
Their criticisms are based on the deluded idea that hierarchies are immoral and everyone is just an interchangeable economic unit who can perform the exact same roles as everyone else

[Anonymous No.17783545]

>>17783193
The real cope is you losers raiding /biz/ to feel better about your shitty finances.

We're doing fine. Leave.

[Anonymous No.17783743]

>>17783545
imagine being this defensive about communism posting. must be some fat 50 year old boomer who can't get over the jew propaganda he ingested

[Anonymous No.17783923]

>>17783743
just shut up and leave. You guys won't get any new followers with annoying "Contradictions" spams

[Anonymous No.17784328]

>>17780992
>thinking the average worker creates value twice his wage
The average communist is a dipshit without the slightest clue how dumb he sounds

[Anonymous No.17784431]

>>17781186
It's not because you'd have to convince most people to accept lower quality of life. My advice is to work and invest, and support unions, syndicates, coops etc because your gay revolution isnt happening anytime soon

[Anonymous No.17784534]

>>17780455
>you hate my genocidal ideology, which means youre a trump voter
heres why sanders wont get the nomination

[Anonymous No.17784585]

>>17781027
>Your labor has a value
in capitalism it also has. you get paid accordingly for working

[Anonymous No.17784649]

>>17783193
>>people who consider themselves “leftists” aka anyone who likes bernie sanders
those literally are leftists you tard

[Anonymous No.17784766]

>>17781647
Name one time this occurred in a socialist state.

[Anonymous No.17784943]

>>17782372
>No, soviet production surpassed the USA pre-WWII and was still on par with it and Europe post-WWII.

Except that production was overwhelmingly slanted towards industrial, and especially military-industrial goods. No market forces to direct the production, you understand. So yes, they produced lots, but during the same periods the US produced at least 8 new industries that I can think of, as well as two world-defining technologies (the transistor and the wireless signal receiver). The Soviets produced a Thing, a flying grapefruit, and a whole lot of misery.

[Anonymous No.17784954]

>>17783743
>can't get over the jew propaganda he ingested
Ironic coming from a marxist

[Anonymous No.17785010]

>>17781445
>t. Doesn’t live in reality or lives in Portland
It’s really the other way around though. Why would a NEET believe in ideologies that don’t support benefit lifestyle? Also, most tradies are basic republicans or libertarians. I’ve never encountered a commie.

[Anonymous No.17786529]

>>17781190
good take, now analyze how its more rewarding to be a parasite and how extraordinarily difficult it is to do what you just said