/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.17776706]

hello i am communist here to learn about the economy from the wisest economists I know

where to buy bootstrap?

[Anonymous No.17776742]

>>17776706
The world will know about your sins, chang.

[Anonymous No.17776832]

>>17776742
can I have healthcare now? or do we need to give another 15 trillion to the whales so they can short your stocks again

[Anonymous No.17776896]

Next crypto bull run I will be rich and you will be a poor, resentful Communist.

[Anonymous No.17776931]

>>17776832
ironically, repo-funded healthcare would be even less financially tenable than Medicare for all

[Anonymous No.17776935]

>>17776896
>ok, I have might have lost 40% of my next worth in 2 weeks, but next time I will quadruple that loss!

[Anonymous No.17776965]

>i am communist
doubt.jpg

[Anonymous No.17777080]

>>17776832
Not yet

[Anonymous No.17777084]

>>17776965
Capitalism is the dark art of balancing people’s unlimited wants with Earth’s limited resources.
This is obviously unsustainable and I am more than willing to adopt another economic policy, but capitalists refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings of capitalism or come up with a replacement.
Eventually we either go commie or something else, this system is not built for you to succeed. Clearly

[Anonymous No.17777136]

>>17777084
it isn't perfect but it works for me

[Anonymous No.17777176]

>>17776935

I bought in at nearly half the price it is now and sold a few at around 7k.

[Anonymous No.17777178]

>>17777136
Congratz on being the minority. Mind the wealth gap lest you end up like Russia, China, or Cuba

[Anonymous No.17777200]

>>17776706
>comi here
>why line not go up foreva?
>caplasism broked.

[Anonymous No.17777214]

>>17777176
Double your investment if you’re a real man

[Anonymous No.17777235]

>>17777084
>Capitalism is the dark art of balancing people’s unlimited wants with Earth’s limited resources
There are these things known as supply and demand...

[Anonymous No.17777261]

>>17777200
>what do you mean? of course we need to bail out the banks again!
>you need insulin to live? that’s too bad but we cant afford that

[Anonymous No.17777278]

>>17777214

No I am looking to start scaling in more money now. I actually buy when the price is low. Crazy stuff right.

[Anonymous No.17777319]

>>17777178
redistribute your wealth then, get right to it!

[Anonymous No.17777325]

>>17777261
>goberment do something!
>no no no not that

You can have you cake and eat it too, promise.

.t da goberment.

[Anonymous No.17777527]

>>17777261
>>what do you mean? of course we need to bail out the banks again!

Keynesian economics is a left wing position (the economic model we are under now).

[Anonymous No.17777549]

>>17777319
>that could never happen here!
t. Kulak

[Anonymous No.17777590]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

Keynes's influence started to wane in the 1970s, partly as a result of the stagflation that plagued the Anglo-American economies during that decade, and partly because of criticism of Keynesian policies by Milton Friedman and other monetarists,[8] who disputed the ability of government to favorably regulate the business cycle with fiscal policy.[9] However, the advent of the global financial crisis of 2007–2008 sparked a resurgence in Keynesian thought. Keynesian economics provided the theoretical underpinning for economic policies undertaken in response to the crisis by President Barack Obama of the United States, Prime Minister Gordon Brown of the United Kingdom, and other heads of governments.[10]

[Anonymous No.17777637]

>>17777527
>political beliefs can be put on a line
no, government bailouts for the rich are shit snd I said the same thing when Obama was president

[Anonymous No.17777638]

>>17776832
nobody wants to pay for your AIDS medication and sex changes, you dumb commie

[Anonymous No.17777649]

>>17777590

What the wikipedia article neglects to mention is that Keynesian economics was also dominant before 2008.

[Anonymous No.17777682]

Daily reminder: Angry online NEET Communists will always be losers and failures at life.

As they believe the markets are "rigged" against the people, they do not participate in the economy; they do not try to open a business or get a job because they believe the "capitalism is rigged" so it's not worth trying. They are poor when the economy is good and they are destitute when the economy is bad.

Every morning they wake up in their damp mother's basement mattress, they hope that their SKY DADDY COMMUNISM will miraculously drop from the sky and perform miracles on their poor life decisions.

[Anonymous No.17777709]

>>17776706
Helicopter yourself, faggot. Crypto capitalism will win.

[Anonymous No.17777728]

>>17777549
>capitalism is bad
>commies will kill you and take you shit tho

Interesting argument, lets see how it plays out.

[Anonymous No.17777736]

>>17777084
Communism is fundamentally at odds with human biology you dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.17777835]

Check em

[Anonymous No.17777866]

>>17777549
t. Cuck

[Anonymous No.17777869]

>>17777682
>ur mad
Reminder, YOU are the one who lost money. Not me

[Anonymous No.17777936]

>>17777637

We live in a left wing corporatist system that steps on small/medium sized business whilst propping up corporations and banks. Just look at the EU, its a revolving door with goldman sachs. The banks and corporations are part of the left wing governments ofthe western world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1wMz5Cwpgc

Communism is about a group of corrupt sociopaths using the government to advance themselves above everyone else.

[Anonymous No.17777972]

>>17777736
Not a response, how do you sustain infinite growth in a finite system? Supply and demand works until you run out of things to supply. Like water.

[Anonymous No.17778012]

>>17777649
Realistically Clinton to Obama was a transitional period, was it 96 where the federal budget was properly balance for the last time?

[Anonymous No.17778024]

>>17777936
We live in a corporatist system with left cultural beliefs
>communist
>government
Marx forbid

[Anonymous No.17778061]

>>17777972

Value is created. It is not a finite resource. Even gold, it is not valuable until it is mined by someone. A fish not valuable until it is taken from the bottom of the ocean and served up in a shop.. The opportunities to create value in this universe are seemingly infinite.

[Anonymous No.17778067]

>>17777972
We conquer the galaxy, obviously.
>>17778024
Yeah, because that's worked out so well where they've tried it. Oh wait, it always devolves into authoritarianism.

[Anonymous No.17778087]

>>17777728
Communism can be implemented a number of ways, the options available are restricted based on how desperately the working class is

[Anonymous No.17778107]

>>17778024

You want to be in the Communist government whilst stepping on everyone else. In Communist Russia the government beuracrats are royalty whilst everyone else is dirt.

[Anonymous No.17778131]

>>17776832

You are aware that a voluntary market, which is capitalism, has no taxes and therefore no subsidies? You're criticizing socialism here.

[Anonymous No.17778188]

>>17776706
>hello i am communist here to gloat about a system I believe is capitalist that is actually socialist

ftfy

[Anonymous No.17778202]

>>17778107
I dont want a government, but if it must exist it should serve the people.
>>17778131
*corporate socialism
If you also have an issue with that as I do, you should let your congressmen know, as I have

[Anonymous No.17778220]

>>17778131
You know you're wasting your time talking to these people

[Anonymous No.17778228]

Lmao, the commie is trying to learn economics. Welcome to the real world and not some fantasy land

[Anonymous No.17778237]

>>17778024
>>communist
>>government
>Marx forbid

Call it want you want, its a group of power hungry sociopaths that want to advance themselves and step on everyone else.

>>17778024
>corporatist system

Corporatism is left wing. It is state ownership of the market.

[Anonymous No.17778251]

>>17778188
>things are either black or white, grey is cultural marxism

[Anonymous No.17778272]

>>17778202
>I dont want a government, but if it must exist it should serve the people.

Then you are an anarcho capitalist?

Otherwise I suspect you want what is effectively a government. A group of Beuracrats living like royalty stepping on everyone else.

[Anonymous No.17778278]

>>17776935

>lost

You mean made 60%

[Anonymous No.17778309]

>>17777869
>Not me
because you never invested. Because you never tried and you never made a real profit in your life.

I make gains and losses but in the end of the day I gain. You just lose every day by staying out.

[Anonymous No.17778317]

>>17778251
>central banking/command control economics
>not a literal tenet of communism

No matter how hard this board shills gold or Bitcoin retarded communists will rant about central banking being capitalism.

[Anonymous No.17778326]

>>17778202
>I don't want a government
>but I complain to my congressman
delusional

[Anonymous No.17778327]

>>17778251
>Your way of thinking is black or white
Says the same guys pushing the "porkies vs working class" narrative.

[Anonymous No.17778352]

>>17778237
Why do you assume you would have no say in the workplace? Is it because you don’t have a job?
>state ownership is left wing
state ownership is authoritarian, actually. right=/=libertarian
left=/=authoritarian
you can be straight and authoritarian
you can be gay and an anarchist

[Anonymous No.17778371]

>>17778309
I pulled out before the election cycle started because I knew something like this would happen. Only had stock in AMD and GE, though

[Anonymous No.17778393]

>>17778371
pull out a noose senpai

[Anonymous No.17778398]

>>17778326
>I don’t want a government, but if it must exist it should serve the people
illiterate

is a lack of nuance a right wing thing?

[Anonymous No.17778500]

>>17778327
I’m not a class reductionist but discussing race or gender with you people is a fools errand

[Anonymous No.17778527]

>>17778398
>illiterate
Uh-oh, looks like somebody will not get his healtcare.

[Anonymous No.17778534]

This is a commie thread now

[Anonymous No.17778550]

>>17778272
No, there is more than one form of anarchism

>I suspect you want what is effectively a government
You mean like a group of people who have a monopoly on essential resources and can implement rules required to access those resources? Like Anarcho Capitalism?

[Anonymous No.17778562]

>>17778131
Without taxes there is no state and without a state there is no capitalism. The state exists to defend porky's private property. Gosh you should know this, but then again that would mean opening up some books.

[Anonymous No.17778564]

>>17776832
Reminder, these are the people that post shit like this

[Anonymous No.17778581]

>>17778527
Oh well I tried, guess we have to continue living in corporate socialism

[Anonymous No.17778591]

Reminder that it's okay to defend your personal and private property from communists.

[Anonymous No.17778619]

>>17778564
>nigga u gay

[Anonymous No.17778636]

>>17778581
Enjoy your permanence then, i'll do the same.

[Anonymous No.17778658]

>>17778636
crab mentality

[Anonymous No.17778660]

>>17778591
Do you know the difference between personal and private property is?

[Anonymous No.17778689]

>>17776832
Soon comrade

[Anonymous No.17778708]

>>17778591
Reminder it is your god given right to defend tax payer money from the tax payer

[Anonymous No.17778728]

>>17777649
Also the dude loved to bugger little boys in the Med.

[Anonymous No.17778730]

>>17778658
We're just in the same ship

[Anonymous No.17778769]

>>17778660
There is no meaningful difference. And the distinction never existed in any historical socialist society.

Communists can't explain how handheld tools or my laptop which can be used to program a website are "personal property" or even though they both qualify as a means of production.

In reality, communists invented the personal-private property imaignary distinction as a propaganda technique. In actual communist society, there are no personal property rights and your toothbrush can be collectivized at any time.

[Anonymous No.17778816]

>>17778317
>that’s not real capitalism
ok name a real capitalist country then

[Anonymous No.17778908]

>>17778816
US prior to 1913.

[Anonymous No.17778946]

>>17778131
>real capitalism has never been tried

[Anonymous No.17778978]

>>17778728
>Also the dude loved to bugger little boys in the Med.

I saw this.... He was part of the Bohemian set right? Bunch of molesting degenerates. Amazing that our society is being based on satanic leftist pieces of shit like this.

[Anonymous No.17779005]

>>17778816
Somalia

[Anonymous No.17779028]

>>17777136
>let them eat cake
In history, It has literally NEVER turned out well for people like you

[Anonymous No.17779118]

>>17779028
Hasn't turned out to well for most lefty true believers either.

[Anonymous No.17779165]

>>17777637
Good luck getting through to anyone here.
Literally, everyone here is just a different flavor of communist calling everyone who doesn't like their flavor of wealth redistribution a "communist."

[Anonymous No.17779197]

>>17778352
>Why do you assume you would have no say in the workplace? Is it because you don’t have a job?

Because everything would be ruled over by beuracratic parasites. People that create value would not rule a Communist society. The Communist societies are run by the biggest sociopaths and cheats.

>>17778352
>>state ownership is left wing
>state ownership is authoritarian,

Well it certainly isn't free market capitalist or Austrian economics.

>>17778352
>you can be gay and an anarchist

Yeah which means you would be anarcho capitalist. Anarchist is often used as a synonym for Communist.

>>17778550

So you admit you want a government like structure of technocratic/beuracratic leftist sociopaths that step on everyone.

>>17778550
>Like Anarcho Capitalism?

Anaracho capitalism is freedom of association and a respect for property rights. Anarcho Capitalism is no rulers. Anarcho Communism is Communism with ruling sociopath beuracrats that live like royalty.

[Anonymous No.17779229]

>>17778908
>consolidating wealth and spending it for the betterment of all people is capitalism
ok lets abolish the fed and get M4A for the same reason we have a military, to keep us safe

[Anonymous No.17779303]

>>17779197
>Because everything would be ruled over by beuracratic parasites
google worker coop

> Well it certainly isn't free market capitalist or Austrian economics
correct, based on what I learned there are at least 3 ways to run an economy, maybe even more

> Anaracho capitalism is freedom of association and a respect for property rights
>freedom of association
type “free association politics” into google

[Anonymous No.17779334]

>>17779229
You're literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.17779346]

>>17779197
>Because everything would be ruled over by beuracratic parasites
I cant get over this, are you implying that’s different than what exists in modern day US?

[Anonymous No.17779384]

>>17779334
not a response

[Anonymous No.17779455]

>>17779384
Neither was yours, hence the comment.

[Anonymous No.17779458]

Based commie teaching some kids the basics.

[Anonymous No.17779538]

>>17779455
How is it “real” capitalism to steal wealth from workers as was done in 1913 to fund the military?

[Anonymous No.17779577]

>>17779538
I literally said PRIOR TO 1913.

[Anonymous No.17779635]

>>17779577
Oh my bad, forgot the US didn’t have any form of taxes before 1913

[Anonymous No.17779664]

>>17777638
You are aware that communists massacre degens are you not? We just ride those pink pigtails into power and gulag them later to pander to the masses and keep them happy so as to manufacture consent to broader policy goals.

[Anonymous No.17779704]

>>17779577
Capitalism has stolen wealth from workers from the beginning. Profits are derived from the worker's labor, but they all go to the owners who are often far removed from the work. Google "surplus value".

[Anonymous No.17779711]

>>17779664
die tankie

[Anonymous No.17779847]

>>17779704
Then start a business, faggot.

[Anonymous No.17780072]

>>17779847
soup brain

[Anonymous No.17780246]

>>17778978
He was into pederasty (polite term for pedophile), writes about it in his dairy. How the world listens to this fucker and his theory gives you a clue on who runs the world. Unstable minds come up with unstable theories.
>Just print more money
>What can go wrong

[Anonymous No.17780274]

>>17780072
What's the matter? Is starting a business hard?

[Anonymous No.17780305]

>>17776706
bought ogn and wrx yesterday aswell as some spot eth already completely under water again I feel so scammed.

[Anonymous No.17780414]

>>17777736
capitalism goes against the laws of thermodynamics. which one is more willing to budge nigger

[Anonymous No.17780435]

>>17780274
Who said it wasnt? Respond to the argument.
1
Running a business =\= Starting a business
2
50% of wealth in this country is inherited
3
Are the banks giving out a lot of loans right now?

[Anonymous No.17780500]

Commie getting btfo lmao

[Anonymous No.17780547]

>>17780500
where

[Anonymous No.17780562]

>>17780435
>50% of wealth in this country is inherited
>Are the banks giving out a lot of loans right now?
Yes to individuals who get helicopter money first. The two are entwined and you get a positive feed back loop of the powerful staying so because central banking and friends.

Having a central authority that literally controls money is the exact opposite of a free market system.

[Anonymous No.17780635]

>>17780562
>>17778816
>>17779635

[Anonymous No.17780724]

>>17780562
It’s almost as though money = power
and when you have a lot of power it can be used to modify the role of government to suit your needs
It’s almost as though this is the end result of any society that sticks with capitalism

Are you in favor of a wealth cap?

[Anonymous No.17780795]

>>17780724
>and when you have a lot of power it can be used to modify the role of government to suit your needs
Says the communist. Are you 13?

[Anonymous No.17780833]

>>17780795
google worker coop
and no, do you have a response?

[Anonymous No.17781129]

>>17779346
Yeah that is the problem with the western world. The government needs to be shrunk. There is a whole class of government parasites.

[Anonymous No.17781183]

>>17779303
>>Because everything would be ruled over by beuracratic parasites
>google worker coop

Worker coop is fine as long as it is volunatary and not forced upon people by beuracrats.

[Anonymous No.17781189]

>>17781129
>>17780724
ok use your money to shrink it
oh wait, people with more money than you want to grow it

Das Kapital

[Anonymous No.17781376]

>>17781189
yeah and the government privelege the corporates, bailing them out with interest free loans, stock buy backs, beneficial regulations etc.

Once the government is kept small, there is nothing to be exploited.

The government is the banks, the government is the corporates.

[Anonymous No.17781415]

>>17780833
Your revolution has failed and any attempts will always fail. But next time after the blood and horror of your next failed revolution that's when human nature will change and everything will be shared equally. Just one more attempt, right? kys

[Anonymous No.17781431]

>>17781189

It's not even solely about money. The leftist government king-makes the corporates that play ball, politcally even. Its like a soft version of what they have in China with state owned Facebook.

[Anonymous No.17781452]

>>17781376
>hey senator, here is 500k for your time
>now let’s talk about subsidies
how do you stop this under capitalism?

[Anonymous No.17781501]

>>17781415

Communism is where the biggest sociopaths and cheats rule. over everyone else. It's ironic because the Communist critique of free market capitalism is that everyones achievments are through cheating, when actually it is the Communist thats wants to cheat (getting to the top of society without merit, just sociopathic power games and manipulation of the plebs through class resentment propoganda etc).

[Anonymous No.17781539]

>>17781452

By not having subsidies. The government wouldn't even have the extra money to piss it around the place. Part of the problem also

[Anonymous No.17781555]

This is your once in a decade chance to get some true cheapies. Get in right now.

[Anonymous No.17781561]

>>17778564
tl;dr

[Anonymous No.17781574]

the commies seething here the past couple days are like watching people having fun riding a roller coaster from a bench and jeering everytime it plummets down

[Anonymous No.17781589]

>>17781539
is governments infinite debt through money printing . allows them to spend beyond their means

[Anonymous No.17781662]

>buttmad internet commie seething because i make money even while the economy shits itself
I pity you.
You will never be anything because you will never try to be anything.
You will wait forever for a revolution that will never come, supporting and supported by people that dont care about you, use you and throw you away.
I pity you because you are THE useful idiot.