Idena general

[Anonymous No.17588269]

Idena is a novel way to formalize people on the blockchain. It does not collect or store personally identifiable information. Idena proves the humanness and uniqueness of its participants by running an AI-hard Turing test at the same time for everyone around the globe.

The Idena blockchain is driven by proof-of-person consensus: Every node is linked to a cryptoidentity, one single person with equal voting power.

>https://idena.io

Trade DNA on qTrade. Max $4k/day withdrawals w/o KYC:
>https://qtrade.io

Mcap:
>http://rioda.org/idena

Roadmap:
>mobile client
>onchain advertising
>sharding
>smart contracts
>oracles

[Anonymous No.17588749]

bump

[Anonymous No.17589739]

>>17588269
Is there any incentive to send someone an invitation (more participants = more competitors)?

[Anonymous No.17589753]

>>17589739
You get 900 total DNA if the person validates on the first, second and third validation cycle. After that your receive nothing. You receive nothing if they invite someone new.

[Anonymous No.17589761]

>>17589753
Also I'm pretty sure 900 DNA is what the reward is right now. Will go down when more people start getting invited

[Anonymous No.17589805]

>>17589753
thanks, so idk why i cant get a fucking invite for 2 days

[Anonymous No.17589838]

>>17589805
Be patient, /biz DNA friendos will get verified this epoch or the one after. I can guarantee you that I will rather give my /biz/bros an invite than give rajesh or ping lao one. They fuck up our flips

[Anonymous No.17589853]

>>17589805
Post a temp email address here and I'll send you one.

[Anonymous No.17589912]

>>17589853
[e-mail]
thanks

[Anonymous No.17589943]

>>17588269
PLS DELETE THIS SIR

[Anonymous No.17589947]

>>17589912
Sent.

[Anonymous No.17590010]

>>17589947
thanks a lot

[Anonymous No.17590020]

>>17588269
enjoy your trojans and viruses

[Anonymous No.17590202]

can a biz bro send me an invite?
[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.17590213]

>>17590020
I market buy 10k everytime you fags say this shit.

[Anonymous No.17590216]

idena malware confirmed, check recent telegram messages

[Anonymous No.17590234]

I'm buying some more but my eth is stuck. feelsbadman
tx succes but not showing in qtrade

[Anonymous No.17590355]

>>17590234
Why u do this? ETH liquidity on QTRADE is shit.

[Anonymous No.17590385]

>>17590355
because i'm a retard and had some in a left over wallet. I'll send it around, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.17590572]

>>17590385
Based

[Anonymous No.17590613]

>>17588269
>https://idena.io

what's the point of this and what does it solve? also why the fuck is the roadmap just basic buzzwords which should be a given anyways?

[Anonymous No.17590617]

>>17589761
Literally a Pyramid scheme lol. What's the average IQ of /biz/ and why is it in single digits?

[Anonymous No.17590630]

>>17590617
>You get 900 total DNA if the person validates on the first, second and third validation cycle. After that your receive nothing. You receive nothing if they invite someone new.

lrn2read

[Anonymous No.17590658]

>>17590613
The roadmap in OP is from here:
https://medium.com/idena/idena-community-report-current-state-and-next-steps-dce97a0e3034

[Anonymous No.17590670]

>>17590658
so what problem does it solve, what does it better than ETH 1.0 or ETH 2.0?

[Anonymous No.17590768]

>>17590670
https://idena.io/IdenaOnePager.pdf
https://idena.io/IdenaConceptPaper.pdf#h.vdbrc1oq19it
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vitalik-ca/hard_problems_in_cryptocurrency_five_years_later/#comment-4701734342

[Anonymous No.17590770]

>>17590670
Bro it isn’t ETH or anything, its something completely new

[Anonymous No.17591084]

>>17590770
what is it

[Anonymous No.17591153]

>>17590770
Its a human centric blockchain, whereas ethereum and all other blockchains have machines as nodes. This makes it completely decentralized and open for new governance systems.

[Anonymous No.17591270]

>>17591153
the whole point of blockchain was to go away from human-centered trust. is this brainletism trying to bring it back to the blockchain?

[Anonymous No.17591389]

if identity is not bound to any real world person (according to onepager) how do you prevent identity fraud? also, what is this "common sense" test to verify?

[Anonymous No.17591456]

>>17591270
The point is to minimize trust. Humans are still behind all the mining rigs, PoS validators and so on. Idena has a new way to do sybil control.

>>17591389
>also, what is this "common sense" test to verify?
The flips. You make a short story with 4 pictures that is related to two randomly chosen words. Other participants pick the one that makes the most sense. The most popular choice is deemed to be the correct answer.

>how do you prevent identity fraud
You can kill your identity.

[Anonymous No.17591458]

>>17591389
identity is tied to your address.
Good luck stealing someone else's private key faggot

[Anonymous No.17591460]

jesus.. the shills dont even try to shill properly these days...

[Anonymous No.17591475]

>>17591389
the tests are called "flips"
it's basically AI resistant captchas

[Anonymous No.17591489]

>>17591456
>>17591458
ok thanks. may look into it. still skeptical though.

[Anonymous No.17591504]

>>17591389
>>17591456
>>17591489

What the fuck is this? An actual discussion? Get off my /biz/

[Anonymous No.17591520]

>>17591475
ai has a long way to go yet and we have not seen the end of it. how can you build a whole trust system based on captchas? captchas are good at stopping spam. what about monetary crimes? dont you think the hackers will step up the effort to break those captchas?

[Anonymous No.17591563]

Reminder when a new coin starts being shilled intensely like this, buy it then sell it in 1 week and even you can make money off scammers before they dump. Scamcoins pretty much never dump in the 1st week of shilling on /biz/.

[Anonymous No.17591789]

>>17591520
>ai has a long way to go yet and we have not seen the end of it
I agree

>monetary crimes
idk if you're trolling or if you're this big of a newfag
it's a blockchain. Hackers can't steal your money if they don't get you private key somehow

You can read more about how flips enter the equation and why they are considered safe in this medium post
https://medium.com/idena/ai-resistant-captchas-are-they-really-possible-760ac5065bae

Simplifying, it would require an AI very good at doing something AIs have always been very bad at OR an AI as intelligent as the average human (this can happen but we simply don't know if and when) to "break" the flips.

[Anonymous No.17591942]

ATTENTION
TO ALL IDENA FAGS
WE HAVE TO KEEP ACCUMULATING

CLOSE ALL THREADS
I REPEAT
CLOSE - ALL - THREADS

[Anonymous No.17591965]

>>17591942
fucking qtrade reee

[Anonymous No.17592009]

Can someone send me an invite? Been trying for days.

Temp email-

[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.17592065]

>>17591965
It's great.

[Anonymous No.17592082]

>>17592065
It is. I want to buy more without shifting price too much

[Anonymous No.17592510]

>>17588269
How do i buy this without pushing up price too much?

[Anonymous No.17592570]

>>17592510
submit a limit order and hope to god someone sells you a little profits from their bag. it’s how I got in a week ago

[Anonymous No.17592614]

Why would someone who isn't a speculator buy the token sirs

[Anonymous No.17592687]

>>17592614
pic related is the end game

But any scenario where there is incentive to have attention from verified users could be a use-case i guess, it's a lot to think about and far away.

[Anonymous No.17593237]

>>17592687
One of the best token use cases I've seen in a long time

[Anonymous No.17593268]

Can you send me an invite please
[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.17593339]

>>17588269
Explain to me how this works. Using people to maintain transactional consensys seems really stupid. How are these individuals supposed to know which transactions are valid to include in a block? With Bitcoin you know which are valid because you have nodes with the rulesets checking transactions and header hashes going back since inception. Are people expected to know every validation rule and apply it to every transaction? Explain this.

[Anonymous No.17593377]

>>17593339
What are you talking about mate? Of course the consensus rules are written in the code and the node handles that. Idena uses BFT consensus.

[Anonymous No.17593397]

>>17593377
Im asking you to explain how consensus is achieved and validated on this blockchain. Answer the question with detail.

[Anonymous No.17593404]

>>17593339
no it just means that chinks cant set up 50000 miners in a factory hall. Instead every person = 1 miner. You don't have to manually validate other people's transactions

[Anonymous No.17593429]

>>17590213
No you don’t. It’s on one exchange and I can see the entire trading history. You ain’t buying 10k at a time. Cringe.

[Anonymous No.17593452]

>>17593404
The game theory behind Bitcoin mining works. Explain the game theory behind Idena.

[Anonymous No.17593541]

>>17588269
Plz delet.
Why the fuck are you shilling this already??

[Anonymous No.17593605]

>>17593452
It's proof of work! Yeah, exactly like your beloved bitcoin! But you need to be validated to mine or you would buy 1000 miners and control 99% of the network
idena's vision is a fairer system

Lurk more newfag

[Anonymous No.17593622]

>>17593541
It's too late anon. You should've loaded up already

[Anonymous No.17593661]

>>17593605
If its proof of work why the fuck would you need to be “validated” to mine? I have lurked and not a sole can explain this consensus mechanism. So you are telling me that every 24 hours someone has to solve a quiz in order to continue using their miners. What kind of mining gpu, cpu, asic? Hashing algortithm?

[Anonymous No.17593709]

>>17593661
If you're interested, please read the FAQ

[Anonymous No.17593723]

>>17593709
If your going to shill this shit 24/7 explain it.

[Anonymous No.17593734]

Fuck what the fuck, delete this thread
This is still too early to be given here in a /general/ format

[Anonymous No.17593740]

>>17593723
We contain ourselves to this general thread. Feel free to hide all the other threads

[Anonymous No.17593767]

I’ve been trying to get an invite. Any help Frens?

[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.17593789]

>>17593734
Most people got 10k+ bags already

[Anonymous No.17593812]

>>17593397
It's sortition-based BFT with a VRF. I haven't read much of the code yet but it might be similar to Algorand's. There's no technical paper covering it in detail.

[Anonymous No.17593932]

Is the UBI 900 per week?

[Anonymous No.17594094]

>>17593789
I only got smoll, is it 10k to make it?

[Anonymous No.17594162]

Another chink scam. Any token that tries to promote itself using a fukin frog is a chinkyboy scam.

Buy Handshake.

[Anonymous No.17594179]

>>17594094
I have no idea anon. I have 10k myself.
>>17594162
shoo shoo pajeet

[Anonymous No.17594860]

>>17594179
Sir you have invite code?

[Anonymous No.17595333]

>>17588269
Are they still giving out mining invite codes? I asked on TG like a week ago and got nothing.

[Anonymous No.17595392]

>>17588269
I will trust you pajeets and buy 1k scrap. how long until this can be serious thing?

[Anonymous No.17595485]

>>17595392
Not longer than a month

[Anonymous No.17595592]

>>17594162
Anon team, but they are always active during US timezone.

[Anonymous No.17595611]

>>17594162
Fuck off faggot
>>17593723
Kek fuck off with your required spoonfeeding
>>17593734
Unironically this. /biz/ turns everything it touches into ash

[Anonymous No.17595776]

I need an invite

[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.17595905]

>>17588269
If someone in this thread can give me a non-shill reason this could EVER be used. Without using words from the whitepaper, I'll dump 25 BTC into it.

[Anonymous No.17595908]

>>17595776
>Gerardo

which region of india is this name common?

[Anonymous No.17595943]

>>17593237
it's just BAT but shit.

>>17595611
We're asking you to explain it to see if you understand it. It's a pajeet litmus test.
I do, why don't you?

[Anonymous No.17595967]

>>17595905
Because it's legitimately fairer than PoW and PoS with a much lower barrier to entry while being truly decentralized. The team has stated in the past that ETH can run on IDENA as well, which interesting considering Vitalik has taken notice of IDENA already and has indirectly shilled PoP before.

[Anonymous No.17595980]

It's a way of validating identities on the blockchain without using lame kyc like Kleros or PI

[Anonymous No.17595997]

>>17595980
what is stopping me from making two identities

[Anonymous No.17596019]

>>17595943
>>17595905
Why do you care so much? Just hide Idena threads.
>dumping 25 btc on Idena
lmao goodluck, the volume is shit

[Anonymous No.17596099]

>>17595997
Good luck with that. Flips are difficult and need to be solved at a designated time. You're usually given 2 minutes or so to do it.

[Anonymous No.17596101]

>>17595908
Sono italiano, coglione

[Anonymous No.17596143]

>>17596099
>2 minutes
so all I would have to do is get my average flip time down to under 1 minute and I could effectively act as two people?

[Anonymous No.17596174]

>>17595997
For each identity you'd need to solve 6 flips in <2 minutes. You also need to be able to do it at least 3 epochs in a row. It's possible but they've kept making it more difficult.

[Anonymous No.17596189]

Been trying to get an invite link for the past week. Those idena bro’s won’t budge. Anyways idena is gonna at least 15x from here. Just buy on qtrade for now and hopefully the bizbros will work their way into the idena community.

[Anonymous No.17596220]

>>17596174
So humans solve flips at an 80% success rate.
What could tell the difference between a below-average skilled human flipper, and an AI with that same rate. Say 70%. Does it just count the slightly dumb 70% success rate users as not people?

[Anonymous No.17596254]

>>17596189
In 2 weeks the bizbros will rain down their invite codes. I know i will
>>17596143
the flips are fucking bullshit. if you get a chinkflip you're fucked. also last validation my clock started from 1:45 instead of 2:00. flipping is srs business

[Anonymous No.17596293]

>>17596143
Technically, but beyond that it would be next to impossible to have a 3rd identity. Plus, you have to get an invite from an established user and you do not get your own invitation to send until you go through 12 flips (2 or 3 validations based on accuracy). Also, there are people who show up for validation and fail anyway because their choices did not match the consensus. The flips are not difficult if you're not a retard. Mining about $5 a day so far.

The next validation is 03/11/2020, so if you want to try to get in on the next validation try to ask in the telegram for a code a day or two before then.

[Anonymous No.17596295]

So. This is just a way to train AI to solve problems only humans are good at, with a big token incentive.

Then when the AI solves it, they get the code sent in with a hash verifying that the AI's code has not been tampered with. Guaranteeing the developers obtain the valuable AI source code that solves the problems they want it to.

Clever.

[Anonymous No.17596300]

>>17596254
How does idena ensure that the flips people make are legitimate?

[Anonymous No.17596321]

>>17596293
Half convinced to try and make an AI that can break this, or brute Force the results.

But that would be giving the chinks/Indians what they want. Tricking white men into coding more AI for them.

[Anonymous No.17596352]

>>17596300
consensus based voting
you can flag shitty flips
You can start submitting flips once you get validated ONCE. Unfortunately this means shit tier flips made by newbies will be more frequent. The community has spoken out against this. With more nodes, perhaps flipping priviledge will be for verified nodes or higher.

[Anonymous No.17596354]

>>17596300
they're banking on the fact that AI isn't good at this problem. And if you want to claim the tokens and "prove" you've solved the problem, you have to send them the full source code with a hash to guarantee that's the exact code that broke it.

Securing them some AI code for some measly tokens.

[Anonymous No.17596381]

>>17595905
on qtrade a market order of 25 btc would literally multiply the price by 502 bringing it to 0.0098 from 0.00001948
that is how thin the orderbook is.
the reverse is is pretty dramatic too if someone wants to dump equivalent of 25btc idena

[Anonymous No.17596389]

>>17596220
>What could tell the difference between a below-average skilled human flipper, and an AI with that same rate. Say 70%.
Nothing. It only works if there is no AI that can solve them as well as a human, developing one should be very difficult. If you're a really slow human you're fucked.

>>17596300
The quality of the flips is based on the answers all identities give in the long session. If +2/3 gave the same answer, the flip is weakly qualified, strongly if +3/4. They can also be reported if they're inappropriate, require you to read text in the pictures or are unrelated to the given words in which case the flips are disqualified.

[Anonymous No.17596397]

>>17596354
Yes I guess AI could win this fight within the next couple of years. We will see, like most cryptocurrency projects we're still speculating

[Anonymous No.17596398]

>>17596321
Go on the idena website and do the flip challenge. I don't think it would be possible for current AI to be able to understand the abstract nature of the stories, but knock yourself out :)

[Anonymous No.17596428]

>>17596354
Feel free to develop it anon. Instead of giving them the code you can just take over the network.

[Anonymous No.17596452]

>>17596381
actually a dump of equivalent of only 1 BTC will literally halven the current price. feel in control yet?

[Anonymous No.17596482]

>>17596398
AIs don't understand, they learn. If there's a pattern there at all, a strong enough specialized AI could find it given enough time and data.

[Anonymous No.17596509]

>>17596482
I'm no expert on the subject but I doubt an AI that could solve this shit is easy.

[Anonymous No.17596536]

>>17596509
i actually like that one
snek>big snek>big dragon>big dragon?

[Anonymous No.17596545]

>>17596428
sounds like a lot of work. And I don't know a whole lot about flips.

If I see this around more often maybe I'll try a crack at it. But as another Anon said, there's no way to tell a difference between an AI and a dumb human. Eventually you'll have to make the choice to de-person people who don't do better than supercomputers on the flips.

[Anonymous No.17596559]

>>17596536
biggest dragon*

[Anonymous No.17596589]

>>17596509
if you keep giving me those examples I'll eventually have a data set of solved flips to train an AI on.

Since the majority of the coins users are from /biz/ I bet you could make the answers more predictable. "snek" for example.

[Anonymous No.17596596]

>>17596536
I don't know but I'd pick that one too.

>>17596545
You should read this:
https://medium.com/idena/ai-resistant-captchas-are-they-really-possible-760ac5065bae

[Anonymous No.17596610]

>>17596509
I'll say this: flips seem VERY hard to train AI to solve.

But you're betting against an extremely powerful and quickly growing industry.

[Anonymous No.17596628]

>>17596596
Thank you for the read. This actually answers a lot of my questions.

I'm interested at the very least.

[Anonymous No.17596635]

>>17596589
They actually started encrypting the flips so you can't scrape the chain for training data. Only 2/4 of the images on flips are "public".

[Anonymous No.17596677]

>>17596635
Smart

[Anonymous No.17596806]

It really doesn't look like a pajeet-tier scam

[Anonymous No.17596807]

>>17591489
I don't understand how flips works, and what the underlying theory is. Something about human intuition.
Very skeptical as well.

[Anonymous No.17596835]

[e-mail]

Can I get an invite

[Anonymous No.17596903]

>>17596807
it's banking on the idea that AI won't pick up on the patterns we recognize in the image.
Personally I'd bet on the AI in the long term.

But AI RESISTANT (not proof) captchas can be a legitimate use case of this. 100% AI proof is difficult but resistant with a certain margin of error is reasonable.

[Anonymous No.17596967]

>>17596903

[Anonymous No.17596981]

>>17596807
based retard

[Anonymous No.17597064]

>>17596967
Pretty sure the rumors are true and these guys are anon eth devs. Even shilled IDENA in the Ethereum Reddit a number of months ago.

[Anonymous No.17597095]

>>17597064
I guess that's some tasty speculation but who can tell really. All we know is they are active during US time.

[Anonymous No.17597177]

>>17597095
They also use some parts of go-ethereum in the code so they’re familiar with its codebase.

[Anonymous No.17597283]

>>17597177
lewd

[Anonymous No.17597420]

>>17596967
Wouldn’t suprise if it were some OG eth devs

[Anonymous No.17597508]

looking for a sir to do the needful. [e-mail]

[Anonymous No.17597658]

here is what gonna happen: people will get lazy start using a service that promises to do the flips for them. for this they download a new client that uses an api call to get the resolution the service achieves this by collecting a large pool of these flips and solves them (they are no longer encrypted as they are posted) realtime.

this makes the users not have to manually solve puzzles and the whole proof of person thing absolutely moot.

[Anonymous No.17597669]

I trust the project. Does it make sense to buy now or mining rewards are huge? I still need an invite to start mining

[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.17597955]

>>17597658
What would be the incentive for that service?

[Anonymous No.17597982]

>>17597669
I would say start with mining sir

[Anonymous No.17597995]

>>17597669
Rewards from mining are about 40 DNA a day (I believe this will decrease as more miners join). I'd advise placing an order around 1600 sats (I bought a few days ago at 1000 so not a crazy increase so far).

[Anonymous No.17598001]

>>17597658
Bro the whole point is, is that its not possible for machines to solve, so what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense pajeet

[Anonymous No.17598012]

>>17597669
You can accumulate a nice bag with mining
>>17597995
do this

[Anonymous No.17598023]

>>17597995
>>17598001
>>17598012
I would if I had an invite, I posted on discord

[Anonymous No.17598061]

[e-mail]

Can some one send me an invite so I could try it out

[Anonymous No.17598097]

>>17598023
yes it sucks, we need to establish some biz based validated members. I got validated last epoch so I need to wait for 2 more epochs. Then we can start the biz train

[Anonymous No.17598115]

FYI to all asking for an invitation: Even if you get an invite rn, you won't be able to start mining until you successfully complete your first validation. Next validation is on the 11th, so try asking in the discord when that date gets close. I know there are a bunch of people with invites still.

[Anonymous No.17598142]

>>17598115
Clear, thanks!

[Anonymous No.17598320]

>>17597177
Damn it just keeps adding up.

[Anonymous No.17598503]

It really seems legit

[Anonymous No.17598662]

>>17588269
I saw this message in another tread. Probably this coin is pajeet tier
''muh AI-hard Turing test''
lol
wtf even means that lol?

[Anonymous No.17598670]

>>17598662
based retard

[Anonymous No.17598684]

>>17588749
>bump
pajeet tier spamming

[Anonymous No.17598695]

>>17598670
>based retard
explain to this retard the buzzword please anon

[Anonymous No.17598710]

>>17598695
it means that they had to implement a test that can't be solved reliably by AI as we know it (neural networks, deep learning)

[Anonymous No.17598785]

>>17598662
Nice job of outing your limited IQ

[Anonymous No.17598805]

>>17598662
in the 15 minutes it took you to write that pajeet-tier dumpster fire of a reply you could've scrolled through the entire Idena FAQ

[Anonymous No.17598844]

>>17588269
im brainlet. mommy's electric bill is something I can't play with, what if I just want to buy???

[Anonymous No.17598860]

>>17598710
>it means that they had to implement a test that can't be solved reliably by AI as we know it (neural networks, deep learning)
what is the purpose of this test? Can you do an example?

[Anonymous No.17598877]

>>17598860
>what is the purpose of this test?
make sure that it is passed by a human
>>17598860
>Can you do an example?
about what, specifically?

[Anonymous No.17598885]

>>17598805
>15 minutes
lol why so long?

[Anonymous No.17598888]

>>17598860
https://idena.io/?view=flip_challenge#

[Anonymous No.17598898]

>>17598877
>about what, specifically?
about this test. What is the purpose and how is it executed

[Anonymous No.17599019]

>>17598898
https://idena.io/?view=flip_challenge#

[Anonymous No.17599199]

>>17599019
what is the purpsose of formalizing identity?

[Anonymous No.17599202]

>>17599199
decentralization

[Anonymous No.17599509]

Stinks of stale curry in here

[Anonymous No.17600107]

>>17599509
Lazy kys

[Anonymous No.17600409]

>>17595333
the fact that no one even checked these digits is a sign that /biz/ is overrun with newfag shills.

[Anonymous No.17600669]

I’ve been following Idena since launch and still don’t have any.

[Anonymous No.17601318]

>>17596509

[Anonymous No.17601546]

>>17601318
BASED

[Anonymous No.17601992]

Can anyone explain how UBI would work like on this?

[Anonymous No.17602035]

>>17588269
Cringe. Crizbit is the real Q-Trade moon mission. If you're in profit in this, switch sides to compound your gains.

[Anonymous No.17602088]

>>17602035
Cruzbit is an awful name. Needs a rebrand. That being said Qtrade is the next big thing IMO. If you're not balls deep in DNA, NYZO, VEO, CRUZ or SNOW by year end stay poor.

[Anonymous No.17602358]

i want code :'(

[Anonymous No.17602495]

>>17602358
Engage with the community. Easiest at the moment. Alot of competition for invites right now.

[Anonymous No.17602538]

>>17596509
>I'm no expert on the subject but I doubt an AI that could solve this shit is easy.
low iq here
I solve that puzzle snd then? what does it happen?
I saw Shenron there

[Anonymous No.17602549]

>>17596509
>I'm no expert on the subject but I doubt an AI that could solve this shit is easy.
low iq here
I solve that puzzle and then? what does it happen?
I saw Shenron there