marriage investment

[Anonymous No.17507963]

Guys I want to know your opinion,

I can get girls pretty easily and have been with a fair bit in my life but most of them are already used up by the time they turn 18 these days. I can tell they would make terrible long term partners.

I have no interest in wifing up one of these used up sluts, I really want to marry a nice virgin girl, that's how I would be happy. Every single culture throughout history, all over the world placed high value on female virginity so there must be good reason to it.

It's hard to find these days, would unironically attending church be a good place to find one? Or looking for a based dad and and asking him to introduce me to his daughter, could that work? Or should I go look in the third world?

I grew in a really shitty environment as a kid, so I always told myself I would do everything so my kids could have a better childhood.

thanks for your advice in advance frens

[Anonymous No.17508086]

>>17507963
church i guess

[Anonymous No.17508157]

>>17507963
I did this unironically but nobody believes me
It is fairly easy to calculate EV for various decision points and then optimize the algorithm until it's just a matter of time

[Anonymous No.17508204]

>>17508157
Big brained.
What algorithm are you optimising in this case?

[Anonymous No.17508273]

>>17507963
What’s your age group OP? I’m early 20s. I’m not particular with a girlfriend, as long as they’re below 2 partners. But for a wife I’m in the same boat as you. It’s a symptom of low self esteem not to want the highest value girl, and that is a Virgin.

[Anonymous No.17508285]

>>17508157
>>17508157
What are your decision points and algorithm?

[Anonymous No.17508292]

>>17508204
Start at deciding relative value to you; specifically how important do you feel that finding a high quality virgin spouse is relative to the other things on which you spend your time.
In my case my career was taking a lot of time and was providing low marginal value increase for additional time, where this would provide high marginal value increase per time spent.

From there decide how much time per day would be ideal to dedicate to this. For me it was 3 hours but it could be different for each person.

Then recapitulate the education-practice cycle of any other difficult achievement like professional performance at a sport or in a difficult subject or in learning a difficult novel field.

Finally set periodic assessments of progress and increase time spent on things that are moving you towards your goal and decrease time on things that are nonproductive (or more commonly no longer productive).

I can give examples if this doesn't make sense

[Anonymous No.17508322]

>>17508273
I just turned 24, I feel my best bet is getting a well raised 18 year old or so virgin and make her a good wife.

Need to find a virgin 18 year old that I actually can see myself living with forever though.

[Anonymous No.17508364]

>>17508292
>>17508292

Yes please give some examples fren

I thought about going in the street and telling cute girls i'm doing a psychology study for uni and then asking them questions to see if they're marriage material.

[Anonymous No.17508365]

>>17507963

>Just one partner before you drops your chances by 40%

JFC

You really are retarded if you marry a non virgin in this day and age. No sympathy now, since it's not even a secret that marriage is a slaughter house for beta males

I was number 5 with my last gf. That would give me almost a 60% chance of divorce. You'd get laughed at if you present these odds to a bank trying to get a loan for an investment

[Anonymous No.17508431]

>>17508365
To be fair it measure marriage stability, not divorce rate. But yeah, it is fucked up.

Especially since all normies have been brainwashed to all think 50% divorce rate is normal and healthy for a society and we should push for more women's rights.

[Anonymous No.17508450]

>>17508292
That is fuckin bayesed (as in Bayesian inference )
You're definitely not from around here. Where do people have these kind of discussions on the internet?

[Anonymous No.17508475]

>>17508364
Time allocation: In normal acquisition of a skill you start with learning fundamentals and eventually progress to almost all high quality practice. I started with two hours a day "learning" and one hour a day trying things out. Practically that meant getting all of the most popular dating materials (from mainstream stuff to "redpill" and manosphere stuff) and reading/studying it, then trying it out little by little in real life and on dates. I kept what worked and ditched what didn't. I also made sure to keep the goal in mind. In other words if something was highly effective but only for sluts (good example is the harsher "negs" you read about in game literature) I would stop using it.

As I started noticing patterns in the materials and in women in general, I moved my time allocation from learning to real world until I spent about a year doing three hours a day of dates, going to high probability locales, networking etc. To be fair I had insanely high standards and so crossed the "can date a sweet virgin and make her like me" bar pretty early, but I really only wanted that plus an overall extremely high quality person. Fortunately these things are correlated.

Continued

[Anonymous No.17508544]

>>17508475
based af

What do you do for a living?

Where did you meet the girls? day game? church? Please detail

[Anonymous No.17508639]

>>17508450
Im NFCDL I post here fairly frequently

>>17508475
Women flow: I started with the notion that women were largely the same with small variations for personal preference and this appeared to work out long term. To this end I started by trying to just date a large number of women to get experience as one of the things that all women are universally attracted to is men who are desired by other women. In the beginning I would grab a drink with anyone who I thought had even a remote chance of being someone I'd be interested in. This of course was great for getting experience but was very low yield in terms of meeting young beautiful virgins. To be fair it also was a lot of fun for a short period. It basically meant working Tinder/Bumble/coffeemeetsbagle and local bars to keep a few women in rotation at any given time. In general the absolute highest quality women won't put up with this, but those were very rare on those apps anyway.

As I gained more confidence and noticed more of the patterns/shit tests/screening methods of women I started understanding how to navigate harder social situations. Being able to talk to a girl in a library, coffee shop, at a social event where you are an outsider etc. was the key to opening up the absolute highest quality women.

I transitioned my time allocation away from the apps and to those locations that were highest yield for virgins specifically. My church was very small and had almost no people my age so i missed out on that one. A failure of mine was not going to other multi-church young adult events which I would imagine would be the absolute apex. In the end I had a cycle of coffee shops who all knew me, bookstores, libraries and educational locations where I could pop by, see if there was anyone worth talking to and if so have a pretty good chance at getting coffee or a drink with them. This led to a steady high quality stream of women and dates. Ironically dating these kinds of women is really easy...

[Anonymous No.17508763]

>>17508639
When you date them they are focused on long term relationships and there's a very low chance for easy sex, so you just talk and offer sexual escalation and they love it even though they generally don't let you get far early on.

Another sad and brutal truth is that the vast majority of the pretty nice virgin girls out there only date complete losers because they're the only ones who aren't butthurt about not getting easy sex. A lot of these sheltered girls were ready to do a lot sexually after a few dates just because they'd never dated a guy who did the proper male job of leading the way sexually and treating her like a woman, not a friend.

Pickup: The one thing all of the "game" resources were right on is this: you can always recover from too much boldness, you can almost never recover from being weak and cowardly. A lot of very pretty girls have rarely or ever had a sober guy talk to them as a woman in an unashamed way.

A big part of this for me was humility. At the ed of the day it is the mans responsibility to pursue and the woman's to decide sex. If you're attracted to a woman and you don't go try to talk to her you're lying and cheating her out of an experience to which she is genetically entitled. I worked out my approach with that in mind and through the lens of what a high quality woman would really want. The short answer to that is she needs to know she's dealing with a guy with two things going: 1. not a pussy 2. not a psycho with no social skills who is going to embarrass her. This bled out into later parts of the dance in that for most non-virgin women doing something like making out with her in public but when nobody is looking is a decent move but for high quality women it's far better to make her think you're going to do that and then you pull away and pretend to not want anyone to see you.

[Anonymous No.17508816]

>>17508763
In doing all of this (making a game plan, sticking to it, learning women) you actually do become a more effective (arguably better?) person.

It's also interesting seeing what women care about and what they don't. Another game principle is to never lie and I was totally honest with even the devout girls I dated and none of them ever dumped me for having slept with plenty of women before me. In a weird way the majority of them liked it because a big point of anxiety for them was the notion that they might end up with a guy who tried sex with them and then didn't like it, landing them in a loveless marriage. Just knowing that they had an unashamed sexual man was a source of comfort, even if they knew they wouldn't get to really enjoy it unless we got hitched.

Not sure if that's enough. I'm on my roof hanging out so I've got plenty of time if anyone else has questions.

[Anonymous No.17508889]

>>17508475
What resources did you study early on?

[Anonymous No.17508922]

>>17508544
Rather not give away my job because its pretty specific, but it's long hours high pay

Locations that were high yield in order of yield:
- Indie coffee shop near private university and high end neighborhoods
- Indie coffee shop in good neighborhood
- Bookstore in downtown near a community college
- Arts district coffee shop and bar near nice neighborhood
- Libraries at local university as an invited speaker only (in general if you can get an invite to an event on a campus with students it is a great opportunity and make sure to take it; the relative position of power is key)
Another note on that: Women know literally everything you're thinking. Women are smarter than you socially like you are physically stronger than them. If young women come to watch a slightly older man speak to them they all have him as a potential sexual partner in the back of their head, bar none.

[Anonymous No.17509021]

>>17508889
Started by reading "game" books like neil strauss' stuff and watching RSD videos on youtube. Also got the RSD Max stuff that was premium. That wasn't very useful except the stuff on how to set up a killer online dating profile. After learning that it is night and day what you can get on tinder/bumble. Also read a book later on (which is for the best, it's not a good beginner book but is awesome for guys moving up to the highest quality women) called models: seducing women with honesty or something like that. The guy who wrote it had some airtight game.

One other misc thought: a lot of men fall for women's beauty misdirection. Often times the 10/10 model types are actually not very good looking once you get their panties off. And a lot of girls who don't look like much clothed are stunners naked. Don't make that mistake- realize that your animal brain is stupid and pursue until you know it's a hard no physically or mentally, then exit gracefully. The obvious exception to this is obesity, but everyone knows that.

[Anonymous No.17509488]

>>17508763>>17508816
>>17508922
>>17509021

Do you offer life coaching in exchange for LINKies?

[Anonymous No.17509614]

>>17509488
If you're talking significant amounts of LINK eg >1000/month I'd be happy to arrange something
where we could interact frequently via signal
If not then that's fine and we could just do something pro bono through protonmail

[Anonymous No.17509624]

>>17508922
What approaches do you use? What worked best? How attractive are you? How do you demonstrate value and show you are a high value man with a lot of experience when you talk to a random girl?

Trying to think of more questions to ask, do you have a throwaway email I could have? I'm impressed by the way you think and analyze things.

[Anonymous No.17509672]

>>17509021
Can you give a recap on what the advice was for the online dating profile? Do you think there are any apps to find quality girls? Or do you think apps are just good to have sluts to fuck while waiting for actual quality girls to appear?

[Anonymous No.17509759]

>>17509614
Nice, appreciated. Thinking about it, first I have to do the calculus to see how much a good wife is really worth to me. And what my idea goal life would look like.
Throwaway email, please get in touch, and I'll email back signal contact info.
[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.17509865]

>>17507963
I unironically believe the best way to prevent a female from being a slut in marriage is to knock her up repeatedly. The more children she has the less likely her mind is to wander. Unfortunately children can be expensive. Have their been any studies done on the amount of divorces that happened based on the number of kids the couple has?

[Anonymous No.17509903]

>>17509488
>>17509624
>>17509672
Here's a proton for you- send me an email from an anonymous email provider DO NOT use a work/personal email

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Approaches: the less of your initial interaction is scripted/planned the better. If a guy has a routine it might be entertaining but if a guy can take the situation around two people and show he understands it he is immediately top tier. I had one "pickup line" (literally 8 words) that worked better than anything else I tried. It was the derivation of trying to find a way that broke the ice and implied that I was a guy who was sexually interested and otherwise sexually successful
Attractiveness depends entirely on peer group. The absolute best possible setup is to be in a group of apex chads with no game. That way any woman will talk to you because you're clearly of high status being around them but over time you become the only viable option. NCAA athletes are the absolute best wingmen on earth.

Online profile: The video RSD Max had in the natural on this was gold and im probably fucking up but the thesis was that women design profiles showing what they think is valued in a partner because they value that thing and men do the same. So men end up making profiles with ab shots in a bathroom etc. which is shit tier to women but would work great on men. The key thing is to repllicate the signaling that women are desperate for in online dating specifically:
- High value man
- Man with social skill
- Man who will make them in turn look good
- Man who is desired by other women
The simplest method to get this was to have DSLR quality pictures taken of you in a context where it makes sense a high value man would be photographed by a paid photographer. Adding the aspect of having the man not looking at the camera amplified this. There were also a lot of other tips that were very effective like selecting pictures where a woman in the background was actively turning towards the man etc.

[Anonymous No.17509911]

>>17508292

Sounds like an efficient way to reorient your goals and your progression toward them in a measurable, scheduled way. Consider writing a blog or a book. Humans are in effect goal oriented algorithms that walk around in these awkwardly fleshed out calcium mechs, so this would be highly valuable especially to people not properly aware of how life works.

[Anonymous No.17509956]

>>17508431

In a sane society, the exchange between men and women consists of the men producing value to offer the women and the women offering sexual access and offspring in return.

However, the rights of men are violated every day everywhere now. Our sexual market value, which is largely based on our income, is taken away and distributed to women who now no longer have to take this key factor into consideration. Since they don't have to worry about getting access to a man's income, they can now focus on lower ranking concerns such as outward appearance. That's why the welfare state can be called the single mother state and socialism will never be productive. Chad looks good but rarely produces anything. Steve looks like shit but probably built half the operating system you're using to type this on.

[Anonymous No.17510080]

>>17509865
>>17509865
I agree and have came to the same conclusion since a long time, looking to hear where people have found virgin girls to knock up.

Imagine how based that would be a young virgin girl to carry your child while laughing about the thots you fucked in the bathroom who are married to some cucks now. Even if chainlink doesn't go to 1k I will be fully satisfied if I have that.

[Anonymous No.17510180]

>>17508431

What would the correlation between marriage stability and divorce rate be? I doubt there's any good data, but I'd imagine it's pretty strongly correlated.

[Anonymous No.17510181]

>>17509956
To be fair with you, you're only half correct, in a sane society, without (((government))) intervention, men have the role of producing value, but they also have the role of protecting their wife and kids and being leaders, so if Steve is in shit shape and has never been in a fight in his life, woman will feel he is a shitty partner. Steve can learn how to fight and be confident though.

[Anonymous No.17510199]

>>17510180
Yeah I agree, nobody wants to be in an unstable marriage where the wife is cheating on you. Can't find a statistic for it though

[Anonymous No.17510343]

Q U A L I T Y T H R E A D

I'm glad I glanced at 4chan again instead of going outside. Not like I have anywhere to be anyway.

[Anonymous No.17510372]

>>17509759
That's a good starting point, good luck anon
>>17509865
Are you married/do you have kids?
Having kids certainly fulfills something primal for women but I think your notion is extreme with respect to volume.
>>17509956
This is a good first level understanding but you're missing the real game
Men: Grow > accumulate skill and knowledge > accumulate wealth and power > hedge those accumulations through mating with the best genetics
Women: Maximize beauty and social skills > climb social strata > hedge social standing by mating with the best genetics
If women have a fast lane to the endgame in which they suffer no societal rejection and no risk of death/homelessness can you blame them? If there was a button you could push that would land you in a free studio apartment with a steady stream of 18 year old models to fuck would you push it?
>>17510080
This and teaching your sons to do the same is the true definition of alpha

[Anonymous No.17510390]

>>17510080
It may be the only way also to turn sluts into real women as well. Women have chemical reactions take place in their brains when they birth children. Also those same babies will unironically keep their mother in the kitchen, so you won't have to. I think a slut needs to be knocked up a minimum of 6 times in 6 years in order to rid her of any wandering ideas.

[Anonymous No.17510414]

>>17510372
No kids personally. But women need to something to focus on or they start to get into self destructive shit like cheating and picking fights with their spouse. It's a good thing for a woman to be mentally exhausted, whereas men need to be physically exhausted in order to feel fulfilled. Again this is just personal observation and I'd be open to stats and surveys they prove me right or wrong. I just think a large amount of children will keep a woman occupied.

[Anonymous No.17510415]

>>17509903
Send an email, can you confirm you got it?

What was your pickup line? Any tips for making a conversation last? What percentage of girls did you get dates with? Do you think it is better direct approaching or indirect? Do you think it is better in a café or in the street?

If you had to give 3 most important about what you learned in all of your time spent talking to random girls what would they be?

[Anonymous No.17510706]

>>17510390
To turn a ho into a housewife is a hard trick. You have to force her to submit more than she has previously. For an experienced ho this is a deep dive.
>>17510414
I agree on the having children part, but practically I don't see a huge difference in how much of my wifes time is taken up by 1 vs 3 children. Good women intrinsically fill their time with children when they can. It's in their nature.
>>17510415
Yes I replied
The line is nothing and requires a lot of explanation. I'd rather not share it publicly. For making a conversation last the most important thing is genuine, real, non-butthurt interest in the other person. When I would talk to women often I'd find out early that they were not long term viable. The standard answer there is to exit with grace but the better answer is to use the opportunity (for a defined period of time say 15 minutes) to practice your social skills. I personally hate tattoos; to me they represent someone without the ability to think long term. When I would talk to a girl and see a tattoo I'd start thinking in terms of how much can I learn about this person in the next 15 minutes. Women are shockingly candid when they're in conversation with a man they're interested in.
I got dates with the women I wanted to date. This notion of rejection and "asking for a date" is indicative of a man who doesn't understand women. Apex men go and talk to a woman. If their interests align they continue the conversation over drinks or at his place later. Betas look for milestones to make sure they're still good boys.
Approaching directly or indirectly is a guy mentality thing. Every woman who you're talking to knows you eventually want sex. All approaches are direct unless you're a eunuch.
Three most important:
3. The bar is low. Lower than you can possibly imagine. If you can talk to a girl you're ahead of 90% of men. If you can talk to a girl without a cheezy canned routine you're in the top 1%....

[Anonymous No.17510731]

>>17510414
This is all great stuff. I would say the intuition behind all of this is the following:
Women will fuck a man they perceive as admirable and nothing less. The best thing to do is to develop yourself to your highest potential and keep performing, and then choose a girl that could never catch up. Wealth is a bad way to attract women because they can just divorce you. If they are attracted to you for parts of your personality you’ve developed then all you gotta do is stay ahead of them. This is precisely why feminism can be so destructive. The high achieving women aren’t attracted to many men.

[Anonymous No.17510770]

>>17507963
>no source on that data

[Anonymous No.17510797]

>>17510706
If you can walk into a standard social situation (her eating with her friends, her studying somewhere) and show that you understand its awkward but that you still want her, without looking desperate, you will end up leading a life that normal men can't understand exists
2. Women are human beings and are basically slaves to their genetics. If you see a hoed up club girl there's a really easy algorithm to getting her naked, and yes it involves you being a complete asshole to her. This isn't because she's a bad person, it's because she was given something of incredible value (female youth and beauty) without any instruction in how to use it. We all look at child actors/heirs and expect them to be fuckups, we should all expect the same thing from young beautiful women who were raised by shitty parents. Finding the young beautiful virgin women who were raised by good parents is the gold ring. If you have to run through a few club sluts to get there, so be it.
1. Humility conquers all. You can either serve your greater cause or your ego. If a woman rejects you she should have rejected you and it is a blessing she did. If there's a girl you're certain is too good for you, you must talk to her because you're socially dumber than she is and there's a chance she has been waiting for you her whole life. There's also a chance she's an older sis in a sorority looking for a guy to teach her younger sis how to suck dick on. She could also be a girl on vacation after breaking up with her first and only boyfriend who had premature ejaculation and refused to fuck her after the first time. She could also be the best friend of a stunner who never leaves her place, just looking for the right guy for her friend. You seriously don't know. If you talk to her, or anyone for that matter, with a clear conscience and with respect and class you have no idea what doors will open for you.

[Anonymous No.17511051]

I've literally been using the exact same time value formula in my own life, albeit a little less involved. I keep a spreadsheet of my top 1000+ ideas for development, wether they be books, games, goals, achievements, and then plug them into a schedule. I've been working on an app that streamlines this shit, so maybe it would be worthwhile to compare calcululations. Will shoot an email. There is another argument to be had that majorly successful people don't need to spend time on idea branching. The idea is it's better to be a monomaniac at your chosen field, and do that one thing as an obsession. I can totally agree with this, so i think it's important to also consider when running these kinds of calculations.

[Anonymous No.17511248]

>>17511051
Do this
One thing I think about frequently is how to structure society to restore proper incentives
Giving dyed in the wool betas a way to succeed with women would go a long way to helping this happen
Do it

[Anonymous No.17511269]

>>17507963
You missed the boat, bud. The only realistic approach is to get them before they are 18 and that is frowned upon in our society unless you are also under 18

[Anonymous No.17511304]

>this whole thread
cringe

[Anonymous No.17511330]

>>17508292
Bruh, thanks for explaining dating in a way that my autistic brain can understand. I mean that unironically.

[Anonymous No.17511487]

>>17511330
Makes me glad to hear, good luck in all things anon

[Anonymous No.17511552]

>>17511304
cuck

[Anonymous No.17511578]

>>17511487
Would you have any general advice for autism or just not picking up social cues? Like I'm pretty good looking, but I can't for the life of me pick up on all these hints.

Like this past semester I had a girl come up to me in the library & give me her number so we could share notes. But I don't need anyone's help to study so I just tossed it. Didn't realize till I mentioned it to a buddy & he gave me shit for it.

I'm pretty sure I only lost my virginity b/c I was texting with a girl & she said it was a made up holiday that involved getting naked.

[Anonymous No.17511665]

>>17511269
>>17511269
(((Who))) made society this paradoxical to human's nature?

[Anonymous No.17511727]

>>17511578
Same thing as everyone else: humility and owning it
If there's a guy in your dorm who is a killer tell him you suck with women and want to learn
If there's a girl tell her you're blunt as fuck but at least she doesn't have to worry about you lying to her. You can even make it a running joke where you ask her if every thing she does means she wants to fuck you.

One of the best women advice lines ever applies here: women say they want mr perfect but they give themselves to mr perfectly comfortable with himself.
Own it

[Anonymous No.17511799]

Why do you even need to get married in the first place? Literally just move to a non common law marriage state and tell your wife “sure honey we can get married I’ll wear a ring and everything. We can even have your princess party I’m just not signing any documentation from the state unless you can provide me with how as a man in this day and age it would do me any favors. If not I’m assuming you just want my money. I mean I can sign some paperwork from a lawyer that will give you X amount of my income as you are a woman and I understand you have an instinct to need security and be provided for but if you haven’t been at my side since the early days when I was grinding you aren’t entitled to half the shit I’ve spent a decade building”.

[Anonymous No.17511847]

It's strange to read this thread as a wizard and future millionaire...
I had given up on women after having lived without them for so long, then curing my subconscious and ego with the Toxic Parents book and finally reading the rationale male and the manipulated man.
But now I started watching vtubers instead which gives me the impression there may be more to it.

[Anonymous No.17511883]

>>17508292
>Then recapitulate the education-practice cycle of any other difficult achievement like professional performance at a sport or in a difficult subject or in learning a difficult novel field.

What a way to say to say "Go get your professional degree/certifications in a lucrative field"

[Anonymous No.17511886]

>>17511799

No western white woman is going to agree to that unless you have a shitload of money. Marriage is the celebration of the union of the woman and the state with your assets. There's just nothing in it for the woman to agree to something like that.

[Anonymous No.17511989]

>>17511665
http://whale.to/c/frankfurt_school1.html

[Anonymous No.17512032]

>>17511886
Well yea man you probably should have a shit ton of money if you have been browsing /biz/ for a few years and have your ducks in a row. Even as a multi millionaire 10-15k a year is the most I would agree to give a woman in a situation like my previous post where I told her I wouldn’t leave her completely fucked if she spent her best years with me. You underestimate what women will do if you really have your shit together and dick them down right tho. If she says no? Fuck it plenty more fish in the sea, abundance mentality.

[Anonymous No.17512415]

>>17511727
Have you found a nice virgin yet?
I disagree with the notion that the volume of children does not matter. You must ensure that your wife is taking care of atleast one child younger than 14, as if a woman does not have a child to take care of before menopause and after taking care of other children she goes nuts. Better to just have a lot of offspring anyway.

[Anonymous No.17512838]

>>17512415
>if a woman does not have a child to take care of before menopause and after taking care of other children she goes nuts

is there scientific evidence of this or is this anecdotal ?

[Anonymous No.17512850]

>>17507963
men like you fucked it it's over bro

[Anonymous No.17512921]

>>17512838
Empty Nest Syndrome, but I admit it's more anecdotal and intuition from a set of examples than a conclusion based on deep research. Still true, though.