/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.17388131]

Looking for opinions about Constellation vs Fantom. both are at the exact same marketcap.

[Anonymous No.17388268]

>>17388131
bump

[Anonymous No.17388352]

>>17388131
Easy
>>17256354
vs.
>>17386698

[Anonymous No.17388414]

>>17388352
If you knew why the rewards were diluting so aggressively then you wouldn't be saying this.

Although there's fuck all chance of that given you support DAG.. Classic reading the headline and nothing else. 'US AIR FOR...' *OP buys* '...CE SMALL BUSINESS GRANT' *OP is too busy wanking his tiny cocklet off by this point*

[Anonymous No.17388444]

>>17388352
Kill yourself schizo, do it for /biz/

[Anonymous No.17388535]

>>17388414
They have a working contract with US Air Force. Only blockchain in crypto space. They are in phase one and will most likely get a major contract after mainnet is rolled out in mid/late March. They have been moved over to a fast track program for government contracts, trans-departments. That's huge. Details in Telegram.

[Anonymous No.17388575]

>>17388535
>>17388352
FTM>DAG by a longshot

[Anonymous No.17388649]

>>17388535

A working contract, but a major contract is 'most likely'

All total bullshit and announcements of announcements to your eyeballs.. meanwhile Fantom actively refuses to announce anything until signed and sealed.

Also...

http://fantom.rocks

DAG will never reach finality as fast as this.. and Fantom is only getting faster after FVM. You still have time to switch to be fair

[Anonymous No.17388689]

>>17388575
You are completely delusional. DAG is San Fran based US team, while FTM has a chink team that exit scammed and then hired some Russian companies to do something to fool low IQ "investors", while Fantom falsely took the devs belonging to Russian firms and posted them on their website as their own devs. DAG is giving tech updates and lectures on US universities, while FTM has no stress test of their crashed tech trainwreck of a badly forked Ethereum Virtual Machine, with 18 tps with a few nodes and a full crash with more nodes. According to your own data. Pic. Plus absurd lies from FTM about central banks partnerships, Ponzi scheme staking rewards, i.e. pure and utter scam.

[Anonymous No.17388712]

All I know is DAG will never go anywhere.

[Anonymous No.17388722]

>>17388649
>All total bullshit and announcements of announcements to your eyeballs
It's phase one, you idiot. Next is phase two. You have clearly no idea how these US government program works.
>meanwhile Fantom actively refuses to announce anything until signed and sealed.
Yeah, right. They are lying through their teeth about central banks and banks, plaster they logo on official publications but will avoid to make a clear statement at that would land them in jail. Just as their fake "partnership" with Oracle. In reality nothing but a sale rep agreement. Pic.

[Anonymous No.17388764]

>>17388649
>>17388722
Compare the fake Oracle partnership with pic.

>http://fantom.rocks
Every DAG will have that fast tx with zero load on the network. DAG are working on horizontal scaling, and will with a very high probability manage to do that, i.e. solving the scalability problem in crypto. That alone will give DAG a market cap between 1B and 10B USD.

[Anonymous No.17388807]

>>17388689
do you know what t2.micro means faggot? clearly not.... lowest spec AWS machine available. What a fucking loser

[Anonymous No.17388829]

>>17388722
Ever heard of an NDA?

Clearly not as DAG doesn't need any for small business grants.

KYS you mouthbreathing trainwreck of a forked test tube

[Anonymous No.17388918]

>>17388764
'with very high probability'.. from you means zero chance

Yet with fantom it's literally right there.

[Anonymous No.17389003]

Maybe I'll go 50 50 in both. You both make good cases why both Dag and FTM are good projects.

[Anonymous No.17389006]

>>17388807
>>17388829
>>17388918
Please don't get hysterical, queenie. Your rambling makes zero sense. Formulate a logically sound argument, if you can.

[Anonymous No.17389035]

>>17389006
Knew you wouldn't know what t2.micro meant...

expected as stated above

[Anonymous No.17389056]

>>17388829
It's a working contract. More info here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8pI4P0_53I

[Anonymous No.17389071]

>>17388918
They have openly stated that they have managed horizontal scaling. Wyatt will give a presentation like this soon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPJLCKB8i1k

[Anonymous No.17389107]

>>17388649
Constellation are routinely invited to high level meetings with government officials, business leaders, tech and industry conferences etc. Vitalik talks to Putin. Fantom has nothing, because they are nothing. Just a scam.

[Anonymous No.17389124]

>>17389035
aaaand of course NO logically sound argument from you. Why am I not surprised?

[Anonymous No.17389135]

>>17388131
Constellation (DAG) will surely moon to top 10 on CoinMarketCap.

Very low market cap, only 16M and that is less than 50% of the capital they got from pre-sale. Thanks to crypto winter, Constellation is now at a bargain price. Plus:

>The next stage of crypto is data focused. 'Data is the new oil.' This is Constellation's specialty and focus: direct on-chain data processing. No other blockchain infrastructure is able to do that
>DAG founders recently burned ALL their tokens, 7.2% of total supply
>Deflationary token model
>Staking
>Horizontally scaleable. Faster and more capacity with every node. No theoretical limit to TPS.
>Light-nodes on phone
>CEO actually ran a business with 45 million in annual revenue
>Advisor: Rehito (Ray) Hatoyama former Managing Director of Hello Kitty (Sanrio)
>USAF partnership is well under way and are now being heavily considered for collaboration with the Department of Defense
>Has been declared the official data validator/wrapper for Chainlink's smart contracts enabling LINK to become infinitely scalable
>Partnership with Quant enabling cross-platform interoperability for companies building production & sandbox text environments for BigData, IoT and AI.
>Working with Honda to improve their self-driving car tech
>Have working back and forth relationships with Honda, Bosch, IBM, General Motors and Goldman Sachs
>US, San Francisco based so close proximity to Fortune 500s
>Part of a large ecosystem, with real use cases that will provide security for the network and world-wide market. Same as IOTA and Nano but better
>This large ecosystem and not solely a currency will provide protection from Central Bank regulators, like ETH & IOTA, but unlike Nano.
>All zero-fee systems are open to spam attacks. Constellation has a much more advanced and elegant solution than Nano with their reputation system

[Anonymous No.17389137]

>>17389107
wow invited to meetings i'm so jealous

literally giving Justin Sun a run for his money. it's fucking embarrassing. SARB among other central banks. Buy the rope now, you won't be able to afford it when FTM goes up and DAG to zero.

[Anonymous No.17389154]

>>17388131
>>17389135
>Mainnet is ongoing/current/rolling out in Batches - Batch 0 is live now and Batch 1 will be onboarding soon
>Early 2020, a full function mainnet, data on the network, node operators running,
>Nik Patel went from rating the project a 9/10 investment to declaring it his top pick for 2020.
>It's still early

[Anonymous No.17389174]

>>17389135
lol. Saw 'based in San Fran' as one of your main arguments and stopped reading....

fuck me, renting an office is a positive now? can be based anywhere you like, it's a choice retard.

http://fantom.rocks

You can see it for yourself rather than spouting these meetings and working relationships that are maybe likely hopefully going to cause something so long as jorgensen sucks a few cocks, with DAGs community in reserve when his knees hurt.

Delayed mainnet how many times?

[Anonymous No.17389188]

>>17389154
Oh sorry, 'based in SF' goes from most laughable point going for the project to 2nd.

Nik Patel making it his top pick after Jorgensen paid him all DAGs ICO money comes top.

Imagine thinking a paid shill is one of your most appealing qualities.. fucking sorry state of affairs

[Anonymous No.17389237]

>>17389137
You are mentally insane and low IQ. If the South African central bank truly were thinking of using blockchain technology, going outside of the traditional inter-banking systems, there would have been a ton of paper trail around it and definitely reported to the Bank for International Settlements. However, there is NOTHING, nada, zip, - why? Because it all is a lie and a rabid fabrication. If you had any experience with banking you would have been able to see the insanity in it. Just truly crazy to make such statements. Fantom is a SCAM.

Fantom lies about everything. In pic they falsely claim that Visa has a max tps of 2K, that's a lie, they are calibrated to handle 65 000+ tps,
https://usa.visa.com/dam/VCOM/download/corporate/media/visanet-technology/aboutvisafactsheet.pdf

Fantom's claim about own tps is absolutely a joke and absurd. They have a couple of hundred tps with very few nodes at best. Of course they, as always, provide no stress testing, no data, no documentation for their lies and false claims.

[Anonymous No.17389255]

>>17388131
Just watch this 30 min interview with the man behind Hello Kitty, one of the most successful brands and marketing operations in history, who is now cooperating with and supporting Constellation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGVpdNSLp54

Ray Hatoyama has a proven record of:
1. Sniffing out superb projects with global potential
2. Bringing projects to global dominance

[Anonymous No.17389286]

>>17388131
Constellation founders burned ALL their DAG tokens, to show support for the Constellation community.

[Anonymous No.17389309]

>>17389286
Compare that to Fantom. What kind of morons "invest" in a chink scam coin where founders and friends have 60% (!!) of total, global supply? You have to be insane to do that. Ethereum foundation had 1% and Vitalik sold his ETH at $7. Chink scammers will dump on you into oblivion. Same with satsgang

Distribution. The 3.175 billion FTM will be distributed as follows:
40% token sale
30% market development
15% advisors and contributors
15% FANTOM team and founders

https://www.finder.com/how-to-buy-fantom

[Anonymous No.17389328]

>>17389309
You do realize the team have since donated all their tokens to the staking rewards pool?

That thing called time passing.. somewhat like your faggot CEO burning his tokens. I can find a past token allocation that doesn't show that. It's the past, and has been updated.

You're jerking your tiny cocklet at being humiliated like this arent you cuck boy?

[Anonymous No.17389371]

>>17388131
Finally a CEO in crypto space that actually has experience and understands the business world, pic. Compare that to Fantom, where the whole chink dev team exit scammed and chink management exited over to a new legal entity in Korea, to avoid (they falsely believe) a coming class action lawsuit against them for knowingly and falsely promising ridiculous 300 000 tps, dag with smart contracts, to pre-sale and ICO investors.

[Anonymous No.17389408]

>>17389154
>the Nik Patel blatant paid shill review
LOL
Kill yourself schizo. You have to.

[Anonymous No.17389417]

>>17389328
>You do realize the team have since donated all their tokens to the staking rewards pool?
They donated to their Ponzi scheme staking so they could create artificial scarcity drive up the price and lock up supply, so they can continue to dump and when enough idiots, eh "investors", have locked up their FTM they will dump the FTM price to hell. Classic Ponzi and scam. There is NO real reason for locking up FTM for seven days and that stakers are losing their rewards if they end staking before June. ONLY reason is team dumping and scamming low IQ "investors".

[Anonymous No.17389436]

>>17388131
There is no other blockchain outside DAG that is designed to handle big data. If the USAF contract goes well, they will provide to the whole US military. For a tech startup company to get such a deal, so quickly, is unheard of. It's a very strong signal to the market of both the projects and the teams quality. That alone will give DAG a MCAP of 100M USD.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrynpollock/2019/09/20/usafs-blockchain-interest-shows-technologys-power-to-secure-data/#3b922b537cef

They are on a short list among very few companies to be considered for major government contracts.

[Anonymous No.17389456]

>>17388131
Constellation Network engages with Chainlink to become a node operator on the Chainlink network, to provide smart contracts with access to real-world streaming data from Constellation’s enterprise clients, and to provide validation for streaming data. The integration, explained in the recently released paper, “Oracalizing Big Data on Distributed Ledger Technology” outlines how Constellation will become an oracle node on the Chainlink Platform.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/constellation-network-integrates-with-chainlink-to-bring-big-data-solutions-to-distributed-ledger-technology-300939390.html

[Anonymous No.17389470]

>>17388131
DAG team member Benjamin Jorgen is working with Portland State University on the worlds first accredited Blockchain certificate program.

This is a business focused program on accelerating learnings around business adoption of distributed ledger technology. https://www.pdx.edu/sba/blockchain

Due to our market impact and technology focus, Constellation is in the preliminary talks of becoming part of the PSU board of advisors.

The reason this is important is because for us to have a connection to a governing board at a leading university in the Blockchain space, it will only increase Constellation’s ability to have a seat at the table to influence Enterprise business adoption. This is yet another deposit in the validity of our team and overall company focus to be a trusted partner that’s in this for the long haul.

https://youtu.be/6BNk9wdcuGY

[Anonymous No.17389533]

>>17389417
'No reason to lock up for 7 days'

Have you heard of the 'at stake' part of Proof-of-stake faggot?

You are the most retarded cunt going.. knows nothing other than how to parrot Jorgensen's pillow talk. Fucking subhuman scum

[Anonymous No.17389553]

>>17389408
>>17389188
Of course you Fantom scammer accuse others for paid reviews. Lies and mudslinging is all you scammer morons have. Zero documentation and substantiation, right? Unlike Sammer Andy and your third world "marketing department" aka scammers, 38 people and NO DEVS, Constellation are cooperating with and dealing with some of the most serious individual and organizations in the crypto industry. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.17389641]

Two shitcoin

[Anonymous No.17389647]

Absolutely no one is using the fantom's shit networks. Compare that to Constellation and their preparation for mainnet launch in mid/late March and future usage, filling an urgent business and government usage and market segment, big data on blockchain, pic related.

[Anonymous No.17389690]

>>17389641
Give me your three best reasons for why you think Constellation (DAG) is a shitcoin. Use logic and documented facts only.

[Anonymous No.17389737]

>>17389174
>>17389188
If you have superior technology, you want to operate in the by far most important tech center in the world. Like Constellation did. If you are just scammers with shit technology, you want to hide in Asia and maker partnerships with some of the most corrupt nations on earth and hire "marketing people" like pic related.

>http://fantom.rocks
Every dag can do that with a handful of nodes and zero load on the network.

[Anonymous No.17389740]

>>17389690
what about the Denny Daggins satsgang fud

[Anonymous No.17389761]

>>17389647
so you mean to say that NOBODY IS USING CONSTELLATION'S NETWORKS BECAUSE THERE FUCKING AREN'T ANY? Mainnet will be delayed until October at the earliest retard

Meanwhile.... central banks and governments using Fantom & Xar.

[Anonymous No.17389772]

>>17389737
every dag except constellation's non-existent network? what a moron you are. kys

[Anonymous No.17389803]

>>17389737
still waiting for you to single handedly bring the network down.... fantom.rocks allows you to apparently do so right? 32 nodes, much more than 7 in your t2.micro shit-tier fud screenshot.

Should be easy for you to rekt the network using fantom.rocks, even with your tiny t-rex arms

[Anonymous No.17389815]

>>17389740
>what about the Denny Daggins satsgang fud
Made by a mentally insane amateur investor that panic sold all his DAGs and then lost all his money investing in shitcoins. Spammed biz for a year with incoherent rambling and absurd accusations. Went nuts after satsgang doxxed him as a gay pedo-Pakistani immigrant with a criminal record as sexual predator. A total freakshow that always operates with his vpn, supporting himself and his braindead drivel
Here:
>>/biz/thread/S16751928

[Anonymous No.17389837]

>>17388131

[Anonymous No.17389850]

>>17389761
>>17389772
>>17389803
That's not how you stress test a network. There is a reason why scammer Fantoms don't do that and don't provide any data/documentation.

[Anonymous No.17389863]

>>17389815
'mentally insane amateur'

'spammed biz for a year with incoherent rabling and absurd accusations'

'went nuts'

'a total freakshow'

'braindead drivel'

Fuck me, talking about yourself AND outed yourself as Ryu with the word drivel....

[Anonymous No.17389887]

>>17389533
So you can't have Proof of stake, without lock up for seven days and losing all staking rewards if decide to unstake after some months? Are you mental? No reason for that garbage outside scam and Ponzi scheme.

[Anonymous No.17389914]

Fantom is a scam

[Anonymous No.17389918]

>>17389887
you can't have proof of stake without an unbonding period retard - as you'll see in 2030 when DAG release their network

[Anonymous No.17389951]

>>17389863
Take a look at the guy. Claiming he is SEC insider, FBI insider, Constellation insider, police raiding any minute, talking to himself saving lives and will get an award by the UN etc etc. Idiot is so stupid that he forgot to change the filename of the graphic he used, pinning all his psychotic personalities to one individual, Raphael, the pedo-Paki sex predator and crashed amateur investor. Pic.

[Anonymous No.17389988]

>>17388131
None of the fanatic Fantom fanboiz have read the whitepaper. Just because something sounds complicated does not mean it will be useful or will even work. Usually the contrary. Take the chainlink idea. Brilliant in its simplicity, but anyone can see that it will work. Aggregated data combined with KYC to establish a trust-able base, and the mixicles idea is brilliant too. You can see how it makes sense, swapping up data at the oracle level for privacy.
Now take Fantom. To me it looks like a complete mess. Nothing really new in ideas either, Lachesis protocol is just a minor rephrasing of IOTA's tangle idea, which we know does not work. No proof of concept anywhere, and yet the paper devolves into complex ideas upon ideas upon this lachesis thing, leaving a convoluted mess that obscures the fact that the min protocol hasn't even been tested.
Maybe they are serious.

[Anonymous No.17390061]

>>17388131
Fantom's white paper clearly indicates a scam. Fantom's white paper. The basis of the consensus algorithm is just DPoS.
1. a set of nodes is selected via DPoS
2. these nodes generate blocks as fast as they can
3. they settle on 'absolute time' using BFT (details appear very susceptible to node-level DOS but let's ignore that) and assume literally every DPoS node is honest). This is called 'atropos' and it also creates a dag of valid 'event blocks'.
4. then each node processes all !!!! event blocks from all nodes. When there's a conflict between contradictory transactions, a transaction that's earlier according to the absolute time is chosen..
An extremely peculiar quote from the whitepaper:
>As each node processes all transactions that are broadcast to the FANTOM network, it should provide excellent transaction processing speed.
what this means: throughput is fundamentally limited to the parallel capacity of any individual node. This is fundamentally less scalable design than sharding, which makes the consensus parallel itself (each node only verifies a subset of blocks).

This would be relatively easy to implement for utxo-based transfers, but for smart contracts it becomes a pita. EOS tried to make parallel processing work, but they decided the overhead from detecting conflicts makes it too costly, as too often the state access is sequential anyway (a simple thing like a contract that increases an internal counter each time it's called can't be parallelized!). That's why they settled on 'inter blockchain communication' which is really an inferior version of sharding and an admission that Vitalik was right.
Sharding wins because it makes parallelism explicit: smart contracts have to design for it. So instead of one global counter, there would be many parallel counters on each shard and periodic accumulation of them all.

(1/2)

[Anonymous No.17390069]

>>17388131
>>17390061
(2/2)

A detail of their 'lachesis' consensus is that it's _extremely_ wasteful in terms of bandwidth

as at worst O(n^2) bandwidth used for O(n) of processing. That's because nodes just spam every block they generate, but at worst only one block from all generated at any second is going to be valid. So each node generates n blocks, there are n nodes, giving n^2 blocks, but only n blocks turn out to be valid at the end.
This is a really absurd design decision. If they forgot about their absurd 'DAG' design and just moved block generation to one node at once, but with parallel processing (same throughput) all that waste would be avoided.
This signals that they have no idea what they are doing, so the real TPS - for real transactions, not specifically designed parallel tests - is almost certainly going to be in the low hundreds, making it a yet another forgettable DPoS network

[Anonymous No.17390131]

>>17389761
>Meanwhile.... central banks and governments using Fantom & Xar.
Absolutely insane and ridiculous. Time for you to put down your crack pipe, Fantom scammer. Video related.

[Anonymous No.17390288]

It's late in Europe, so I am ending it here. Good luck to all of you with your investments.

[Anonymous No.17390296]

>>17388131
both are worthless shit coins