/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.17221591]

What the correct move here, don’t pay the loans and invest into something else or pay the loans?

[Anonymous No.17221607]

Trump is going to destroy this man in any debate. Frail old Bernie.

[Anonymous No.17221617]

>>17221591
default

>>17221607
trump is only 7 years younger than him

[Anonymous No.17221621]

>>17221591
What about the people who did pay off their student loans? Do they get a check aswell?

[Anonymous No.17221647]

>>17221591
Most student debt is owned by women, so so this will appeal to their sense of men giving them free stuff.

>>17221607
If he even gets to the debates. Hasn't Bernie already had a heart operation?

[Anonymous No.17221657]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on this commie and why Reddit sucks his dick so much?
Did he promise to make all people debt free and give out free money? Why is he so popular amongst zoomers?

[Anonymous No.17221661]

>>17221607
take this cancer to /pol/ incel.

[Anonymous No.17221665]

>>17221591
What about the people who knew they couldnt afford college and chose to work shitty jobs while their friends went to college and fucked hot girls every night and partied themselves into debt? If I would have known my debt would just be erased, my entire life would be completely different and infinitely better in every way

[Anonymous No.17221679]

>>17221617
>trump is only 7 years younger than him

7 years is a long time.

[Anonymous No.17221680]

>>17221591
Fuck students, i don't want to cancel their debt FUCK THEM! they chose to go to school and get into debt yet now IM supposed to pay off their student loan? FUCK BERNIE FUCK HIS SUPPORTERS AND FUCK JEWS!

[Anonymous No.17221691]

>>17221657
zoomers and mellinians are fucking brainwashed retards by the education system and media to believe in communism and socialism and climate agenda.
They go on about "illuminati" bad yet do exactly what their agenda wants of them.

[Anonymous No.17221699]

>>17221657
Because a lot of people, especially weak people, have the fantasy that their life can be magically saved by communism; that if those pesky billionaires just gave away their wealth, things would work.

It's the mindset of someome who hasn't emotionally developed

[Anonymous No.17221748]

>>17221679
the point is that both are tombers

[Anonymous No.17221780]

>>17221657
he's basically just proposing the nordic model for the US with a couple extra measures and an FDR type new deal scheme. He's economically illiterate but not really a commie.

[Anonymous No.17221823]

>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T CANCEL THE DEBTS OF STUDENTS THEY NEED TO PAY THERE ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH DEBTS. THEY HAVE TO PAY THE HIGHEST STUDENT COSTS IN THE WORLD WITH LOANS BACKED BY THE US TAX PAYER THAT CAN NEVER BE GOTTEN RID OF OTHER THEN DEATH SO UNIVERSITIES CAN CONTINUE TO INFLATE ADMINISTRATION COSTS AND HIGHER MORE DIVERSITY OFFICERS AND MAKE THE CAMPUSES PRETTIER.
>THE BANKS ARE TO BIG TO FAIL, THEY HAD TO HAVE THE BAIL OUT, IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS TAX PAYERS TO MAKE SURE WE SOFTEN THE BLOW WHEN OUR RICH OVERLORDS MAKE A MISTAKE.

[Anonymous No.17221833]

>>17221780
Thanks for someone getting it. Some of his ideas are extremist but you needn't worry about them because they won't go through the house. Don't support him personally but he's no communist

[Anonymous No.17221876]

>>17221780
Nordic model is very effective. The costs increase each year.

[Anonymous No.17221938]

How much welfare is Bernie going to give out when he grants blanket amnesty to every Latino and African that doesn't even live here yet? Always wondered. How much more broken family units are we going to have when he panders to women with free abortions and free birth control and federal alimony? At least he was will still send trillions of dollars to Africa. But at least he will stop funding Israel (by diverting the funds to a bunch of Muslim Palestinians instead). Truly a man of the American people

[Anonymous No.17221965]

>>17221780
Yeah he's a globalist faggot that literally voted yes on the Clinton bombings of Kosovo while he was serving as senator, and is also basically advocating for Latinos and retarded crackheads and humanities majors. He's literally worse than actual marxists. At least Stalin had some sense of national pride. At least people reproduced and had families in the Soviet Union. I would literally vote for Stalin over Trump and (((Bernie))) any fucking day of the week. Commies are unironically better than globohomo socialism.

[Anonymous No.17222070]

>>17221965
Not that I like Clinton in anyway shape or form, in hindsight I really think Clinton would have been the better option for multiple reasons. Bernie vs Trump is going to be worse, way worse. People are going to have PTSD and a civil uprising after this election and the US markets are going to tank.

[Anonymous No.17222084]

>>17221621
No. Why should you reward "do as they say" goy behavior

[Anonymous No.17222099]

>>17221665
Lol maybe think for yourself and dont settle for eternal wagiedom thrust upon you by anti-intellectuals

[Anonymous No.17222119]

>>17221823
>says increasingly nervous debt slave for the 100th time today

Don't worry, Bernie is totally gonna win and pay your denbts.

[Anonymous No.17222147]

>>17221823
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T EXPECT ME TO PAY OFF MY LOANS!!! YOU CAN'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO PAY BACK WHAT THEY BORROWED!!! NOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Anonymous No.17222180]

>>17221591
Pretend like they will always be there and act accordingly. If you have no snowball's chance in hell at getting them payed off just don't bother. If you do, congratulations you can afford college. And preform your civic duty in the future so when you're 80 there will be surgeons and doctors.

[Anonymous No.17222183]

He has a point though. Why give billions of dollars to a few billionaires who fucked up, instead of actual citizens living in poverty.

[Anonymous No.17222212]

>>17221621

they assume the debt

[Anonymous No.17222214]

>>17222183
Why do either one? Nobody should be bailed out for being a retard

[Anonymous No.17222234]

chris matthews on msnbc said if Bernie wins we will execute him and his other neoliberal media hacks in central park so clearly bernie is the right vote. also, don't pay your loans anymore

[Anonymous No.17222244]

>>17222183
because those people living in poverty aren't keeping the entire economy afloat.

the Economy is very fragile it's a tightrope. if you fuck up you end up like venezuela where people dig up corpses to eat and people are forced to buy rotten meat.

it's the rich who provide the jobs. billionaires don't actually have billions just sitting in a vault gathering dust, most of their wealth is in business, stocks, and real estate.

[Anonymous No.17222285]

>>17222244
the very wealthy actually love taxing the rich, they can afford to pay the taxes. this keeps people poor and those that are upper middle class and are considered rich get fucked.
Why are people like bill gates and soros advocating for taxing the rich? they are fucking billionaires and couldn't give a shit about being taxed. this keeps people from reaching their position.
They promote Race division, Class division, gender division. all of this creates Envy.

[Anonymous No.17222329]

>>17221591
>Cancel debt
Ok bernie, you'd have to be a fuckin retard to believe this BS. Is he talkin about set off, discharge or just out of his ass?

[Anonymous No.17222504]

>>17222070
Great time to invest then

[Anonymous No.17222527]

For me, it's Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

[Anonymous No.17222533]

>>17221591
The guy that would tax your earnings 90% plus. If that fucker ever won I would sell everything before his inauguration.

[Anonymous No.17222574]

>>17221621
You benefit from a healthy society that doesnt enslave people to debt servitude

[Anonymous No.17222604]

>>17222574
giving people free shit on taxpayer dime enslaves them even more you retard.

[Anonymous No.17222648]

Nobody answering the question. What's the play here? I just refinanced 10 years, should I kick it to 20 and make minimum payments and go all in on Bitcoin?

[Anonymous No.17222728]

>>17222527
She looks like hispanic jew XD

[Anonymous No.17222748]

>>17222728
Oh , and a bit like a nigger kek

[Anonymous No.17222754]

>>17221591
Invest in almost anything else, you dont need a degree to work.

>>17221607
this, they wont give him the nomination

[Anonymous No.17222769]

>>17221621
no, they like every other tax payer foots the bill for the unemployed students with debts

[Anonymous No.17222798]

>>17221591
Tax breaks: "we take less money from you"

Student debt: "we lend you money"

Bernie is a retard, like all commies are.

[Anonymous No.17222868]

>>17222244
I see you lack any compassion.

[Anonymous No.17222876]

>>17222798
Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a communist. Do you understand the distinction?

[Anonymous No.17222888]

>>17222876
>democratic socialist
That's like saying "a car on wheels".
Socialism is "democratic" by definition.
And socialism is the stepping stone for communism, this is according to Marx himself.

[Anonymous No.17222905]

Let me guess a bunch of bootlickmericans are in here throwing a sissy meltdown because someone dared suggest they, a mere peasant, should get a benefit of bailout like their superior overlords constantly get

[Anonymous No.17222909]

>>17222604
this has been the democratic playbook for decades.

[Anonymous No.17222914]

>>17222888
Socialism is completely different to communism. Not sure why Marx himself is too relevant, given he lived like 150 years ago.

[Anonymous No.17222927]

>>17222905
KEK. Not even American, maybe that's why I can see how ridiculously this is.

[Anonymous No.17222949]

>>17222914
>Socialism is completely different to communism.
says the guy who doesn't know what either of those words mean

[Anonymous No.17222967]

>>17222914
>Socialism is completely different to communism.
Yes, socialism involves a massively powerful centralized state, so it is infinitely more harmful than communism.

And socialism is literally the stepping stone towards communism, this is according to Marx himself.
Try actually reading.

[Anonymous No.17222980]

>>17221591
Pay the minimum amount

[Anonymous No.17222994]

>>17222949
Socialism is the socialisation of the means of production and service (ie public health, energy, internet etc.). Communism is the extension of socialism to also apply to property and a bunch of other things.

[Anonymous No.17223003]

>>17222905

Protip: whenever any politician (including Bernie, who is filthy rich and himself part of that elite club) touts some massive new expenditure or program and says "rich people" are going to pay for it, rest assured he means middle to upper middle class working Americans.

[Anonymous No.17223010]

>>17222967
There are varying degrees of socialism. America has elements of socialism. The rest of the western world tends to have a little more socialism.

[Anonymous No.17223037]

>>17223010
And the more socialist, the bigger and more powerful the central state.

[Anonymous No.17223044]

lmao forgive dem debts, that surely won't create an army of subsequent students that will be entitled to the same amnesty for the dumbfuck profession choices

[Anonymous No.17223045]

People will trade their freedoms to erase some debt, brainlets

[Anonymous No.17223053]

The ideal society would have elements of socialism, giving people who don't want to work hard a comfortable lifestyle. It must also also allow people who work hard to achieve success.

[Anonymous No.17223058]

>>17223044

No anon, it will clearly solve the issue and not lead to worse things, like Reagan's amnesty of illegal immigrants

[Anonymous No.17223065]

>>17223037
Given that the central state is controlled democratically, I don't see how this is an issue, given that the right protocols are in place to prevent corruption.

[Anonymous No.17223074]

>>17221647
Yes he had a heart attack a few months ago. He's also be almost 80 when he's sworn in if he were to be elected. So beware his running mate. Not that I think he'll win

[Anonymous No.17223085]

>>17223065
>Given that the central state is controlled democratically, I don't see how this is an issue
I'm sure you don't.

[Anonymous No.17223102]

>>17223053
>giving people who don't want to work hard a comfortable lifestyle
Sure, as long as people who do work don't have to pay for it.

[Anonymous No.17223109]

>>17223085
Both men achieved great things. Look at where both China and Russia were 100-150 years ago and today.

[Anonymous No.17223124]

>>17223109

[Anonymous No.17223126]

>>17223065

Yeah, "democratically", just like Chicago and Baltimore. How do you still not understand that government is inherently prone to corruption and must be limited? This is like... the basis of Constitutional thought, the founders had had enough in historical examples and decided to make a country where it was hardcoded into law that the common man was the country and the government was just a small group of servants performing necessary duties.

The only solution is to limit government. That's it. None of this utterly played out schlock about "this time protocols will be in place to prevent corruption" like the other 1,000 times.

[Anonymous No.17223128]

>>17223102
Why shouldn't they? They live in a society, they depend on the society to be successful and to live their lifestyle. Why shouldn't they be required to give back?

[Anonymous No.17223147]

>>17223128
>Why shouldn't they be required to give back?
We're talking about giving lazy people money, how in the fuck does that qualify as "giving back"?

[Anonymous No.17223149]

>>17223126
You can't direct a divided nation. Sure corruption can happen but it is a necessary evil.

[Anonymous No.17223157]

>>17222574
>society benefits when you financially incentivize bad financial behavior

[Anonymous No.17223164]

>>17223147
If they want to be lazy, that is their decision. They shouldn't be punished for that, but they also shouldn't have the same success as someone who works hard.

[Anonymous No.17223176]

>>17223164
>If they want to be lazy, that is their decision.
Yes.
And other people should not have to pay a cent for their decision.

[Anonymous No.17223211]

>>17223149

The government was never intended to be "director." They handle things the people can't handle themselves. Mostly international affairs (war/trade/immigration), and on a local level essential services like police/fire. Anointing them the director is asking for trouble.

I don't understand how people fall for this exact same trick over and over again.

[Anonymous No.17223226]

>>17223176
I feel like I'm repeating myself. Everyone lives in a society, therefore they have an obligation to contribute to society. The successful cannot be successful without a society.

[Anonymous No.17223232]

>>17221607
Trump won't debate him

[Anonymous No.17223236]

>>17223211
How can anything great be accomplished without direction though? For example how will it be possible to combat climate change?

[Anonymous No.17223239]

>>17222527

She has those soulless NPC eyes. Anybody else see this so much on lefties? They all have that empty stare that says they can't think fuckall for themselves. I can't be the only one seeing this.

[Anonymous No.17223250]

>>17223226
>therefore they have an obligation to contribute to society
But you're saying those who don't want to contribute to society should get free money from those who do.

[Anonymous No.17223256]

>>17223211
this kinda neoliberal shit is for a different time

[Anonymous No.17223263]

>>17223239
And wtf do you do? I'd be willing to bet that she is 100x more successful than you'll ever be.

[Anonymous No.17223269]

>only get useless associates degree community college because I couldn't afford a bachelor's from a bigger school
>should have just taken the student loan pill

[Anonymous No.17223276]

>>17223250
Yes, exactly. People should be free to live the life they want.

[Anonymous No.17223280]

>>17223236

Through cultural change? We could halve our emissions right this second. Get the people to stop leaving lights on all over the house, driving gas guzzlers, and being big time consumers. Every dumb or needless product a person buys has to be manufactured in a Chinese smokestack. If we live minimally ourselves then the impact will be massive. That can happen, if people care. If they don't, who are you to dictate that they HAVE to, and make them pay up for the "privilege."

[Anonymous No.17223292]

>>17223256

Nope. We've jumped the shark and are only hurting our own potential by outsourcing everything to "duh gubmint." They're doing a great job as is with education aren't they? Niggertown High and its 20% graduation rate.

[Anonymous No.17223296]

>>17223276
But people who work should never have to give money to those who don't want to work.

[Anonymous No.17223297]

>>17223280
The issue is it depends on people to care. What if they don't on average? All of us are fucked? That is just an unacceptable risk.

[Anonymous No.17223306]

>>17223296
They absolutely should if they want to live in a society.

[Anonymous No.17223312]

>>17223263

I don't count "tearing society apart by being a useful idiot for authoritarians" as a success personally

In fact I'd say her net impact is a much bigger negative than the neighborhood crackhead who's keeping the damage contained

[Anonymous No.17223314]

>>17223306
Yes, the lazy should work if they want to live in a society.

[Anonymous No.17223331]

>>17223312
If that makes you feel better about yourself, sure.

[Anonymous No.17223342]

>>17223314
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that point.

[Anonymous No.17223343]

>>17223292
everything you know is gonna come crashing down around you, better sell now

[Anonymous No.17223355]

>>17223297

Buddy, have you stopped to consider the fact that it might not matter what the US does, because the rest of the world doesn't care? You trust those numbers coming out of China? You think India is going to shackle their own economic potential because some greens and liberals in Europe want them to? That part of the country is JUST NOW industrializing and they will be blowing clouds for the foreseeable future. Maybe the people here don't care. Maybe the people anywhere else don't care. It's not worth stressing over or letting authoritarians take over your country.

FWIW, the US has been decreasing emissions every year, and the electric car revolution is literally right around the corner. We're past any sort of peak and it's mostly in nature's hands now.

[Anonymous No.17223361]

>>17223342
you:
>if you want to live in a society, you have to contribute to society

also you:
>if you don't want to contribute to society, others have to pay you

[Anonymous No.17223383]

>>17223355
Tbh, most of the responsibility actually lies with the 40 or so countries that each contribute about 1-2%. Combined, they make up more than the US, or China.

[Anonymous No.17223385]

>>17223314

Taxes are the price for civilization. There's a reason why we don't cut all welfare down to the bone. If you don't give the poor and lazy the basics of shitty food they will come for your head next.

[Anonymous No.17223396]

>>17223361
There are ways to contribute besides being a wage slave.

[Anonymous No.17223410]

>>17223385

They already get that. The poor are the fattest Americans, thanks to SNAP and agricultural subsidies.

[Anonymous No.17223419]

>>17223385
Welfare isn't anywhere near the bone.
And the more you give them, the more they'll come for your head if you even take away an inch.

>>17223396
Who's talking about being a "wage slave"?

[Anonymous No.17223436]

>>17223410
When I look at the poor Americans, I can't help but feel pity. Why do they feel the need to drink fizzy drink with EVERY meal for example. It's just so unncessary and it's why they're so fat.

[Anonymous No.17223442]

>>17221591
Thanks for the next for years Bernie Bros, I honestly couldn't imagine a more retarded candidate Trump might win every state

[Anonymous No.17223453]

>>17223419
You are.

[Anonymous No.17223459]

>>17223453
Where?

[Anonymous No.17223470]

>>17223436

Because they're fucking stupid. I grew up poor. They are all dumb, that's why they're poor. The nature of relative outcomes demands that those with poorer judgement end up poorer than those who don't.

You know that story about that poor downtrodden individual who fell on truly hard, unfortunate times that liberals trot out to justify more social programs or spending increases? Is like 5% of all poor people. The rest are truly retarded and nonsensical. I have my Facebook feed to remind me every single day.

[Anonymous No.17223472]

>>17223459
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.17223480]

>>17223472
Where have I been talking about a "wage slave"?

[Anonymous No.17223487]

>>17221591
Wait I though Bernie wanted single payer healthcare... My bet is we get some half assed loan debt relief program and no single payer healthcare. The Democratic party has no interest in making and implementing real progressive policy.

Band aids for bullet wounds? They can do that tho.

[Anonymous No.17223492]

>>17223480
Just look bro.

[Anonymous No.17223514]

>>17221876
It is, his version is just very bloated and excessive.

[Anonymous No.17223523]

>>17221876
It works a lot better when you don't have a bunch of niggers. I have no doubt that Sven and Hans can pay to support all five poor people in their 95% white upper middle class country the size of Alabama.

[Anonymous No.17223537]

>>17221691
this

[Anonymous No.17223539]

>>17223523

Lmao, this. Nordic countries are the size and composition of Massachusetts, not the US as a whole. Imagine jumping into an insurance pool with nigs and fatties from the Deep South. Somebody has to cover their shortfall.

[Anonymous No.17223547]

>>17223492
Imagine being this bored.

[Anonymous No.17223592]

>>17222147
>2008 bail outs

[Anonymous No.17223611]

>>17223361
He means basic needs, stop being dumb, grant everyone a roof to sleep under, clothes, basic healthcare and access to information and food, if they want anything more, they work for it. Else you have to agree on one of two things: killing undesirables and hope not to be one of them one day; living in enclosed communities with armed guards to protect your dumb ass from everyone else(which you'd have to pay for by the way). Want better clothes? Want movie tickets? Want a personal computer, a smartphone, whatever? Work for it, else you get the basics. You could have the ones that want to earn something more participate in activities that benefit everyone. Since people don't give a shit until the ass being fucked is theirs we get what we are going to get.

[Anonymous No.17223646]

>>17223611
>He means basic needs
He was literally talking about "people who don't want to work hard", see >>17223053

>grant everyone a roof to sleep under, clothes, basic healthcare and access to information and food
The more you grant lazy people this, the more you're taking exactly that away from hard-working people.

[Anonymous No.17223688]

>>17222285
Buffett does this same shit spouting how he pays a lower percentage in taxes than his secretary, which is demonstrably not true. He tries to play of as Mr humble billionaire driving an old truck in a regular house in Omaha, when in reality, he's flying private jets, being chauffeured in limos, and staying at 5 star hotels and had an 11M Laguna Beach house. When it comes to taxes, he purposely pays himself a smaller salary to reduce his income taxes and makes most of his money off dividends from BH. If he was really that passionate about billionaires paying their fair share, he'd pay himself a higher salary and wouldn't have two ongoing lawsuits with the IRS over a billion dollars in taxes he owed.

[Anonymous No.17223743]

>>17222533
That would be too late. If it looks like he's going to win the primary I'm selling it all.

[Anonymous No.17224008]

Personally I'm taking out as many government backed student loans as possible and putting it all on the market. I've already withdrawn 5k into PNK and doubled it. Think I'm going to take my earnings and just store them away into BTC and maybe even some ETH. I've already out-earned the interest even if he doesn't forgive all of the debt so I'm basically playing with house money at this point.

[Anonymous No.17224032]

>>17221965
unironically based. it was probably after his wife died when he went to fuck it mode

[Anonymous No.17224064]

>>17223688

The modern class of billionaire is sophisticated and understands the ever-present threat of underclass unrest. In the United States, they've convinced Americans that illegal immigration is ok and income tax cuts are bad. It's absurd. I just wish I was part of their group so I didn't have to wallow in the madness of these wage slaves.

They just sit around, regurgitating and howling out talking points they picked up from Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, and the NYT, outlets that are bankrolled by the same billionaires, without ever pausing to actually break down and critically analyze the issues.

[Anonymous No.17224081]

>>17223396
Wanna know how I can tell you just turned 17?

[Anonymous No.17224092]

>>17222648
Oh you refinanced?? Lmao federal government isn't cancelling your private loans for you buddy. Have fun paying that back while my loans I kept with the fed get cancelled

[Anonymous No.17224114]

>>17222244
>because those people living in poverty aren't keeping the entire economy afloat.

A healthy population is a stronger population. We're low on entrepreneurs and we have news articles left and right complaining about how millennials are killing industries. Take out the major factors, school loans depriving people of financial opportunities to take risks and the high tuition and we'll have a happier and wealthier population.

And banks were the reason for the housing crisis to begin with. And are the reason for the next recession we're running into, again.

[Anonymous No.17224266]

>>17223539
Every state should be in charge of their own "single payer" and get full freedom and autonomy over what to cover.

[Anonymous No.17224303]

>>17224266

This would be entirely more preferable than on massive, inefficient, shithead federal program. It would also allow the "market of states" to readjust as necessary should a state have terrible, or great, healthcare.

[Anonymous No.17224362]

Never seen so many fake billionaire/millioaires in my whole life. Republicans are fucking stupid. Your trailer will be fine, relax. Lol

[Anonymous No.17224370]

>>17222648
kek. this is your average bernie voter folks. you don't even have federal loans....

[Anonymous No.17224383]

The only reason student loans are so expensive is because the government guarantees them. Abolish government student loans and grants and the price of college would fall through the floor.

Why the fuck don't right wingers understand this and use it as ammunition against leftists in debates?

Right wingers are cucks.

[Anonymous No.17224397]

>>17223003
pretty much. it's like when trump told you mexico was going to pay for the wall. billionaires are not going to pay for your college debt and medical bills.

[Anonymous No.17224404]

>>17221591
Invest in something else with a rate of return exceeding your student loan interest rate. Consolidate loans if that makes sense for your situation.

Pay off the loans when you're ready to risk-off.

[Anonymous No.17224406]

>>17222234
>>17223256

>neoliberal
imagine being a brainwashed leftists and thinking this term means anything
get the fuck off this board you bootlicking retard

[Anonymous No.17224424]

>>17224383

This concept is really hard to communicate to normiefags so I hardly bother. Most of these debates revolve around invoking the government to solve government-created problems. The housing crisis was literally created by the government, not any "free market."

[Anonymous No.17224455]

>>17223109
>Both men achieved great things. Look at where both China and Russia were 100-150 years ago and today.
The capitalist west progressed much faster.
The only reason USSR and China industrialized was because they got a massive amount of help from the west.
https://capx DOT co/soviet-communism-was-dependent-on-western-technology/

They still killed millions of their own people during peace time.

[Anonymous No.17224480]

>>17224397

Mexico IS the wall right now.

[Anonymous No.17224481]

>>17223065
Are communists ACTUALLY this brainwashed?
Central planning ends in disaster basically all of the time.
Also just because you're brainwashed enough to think it's a "workers state" doesn't make it work either.
You people are the epitome of brainwashing.

[Anonymous No.17224489]

>>17221661
>opens /pol/ thread
>expects reddit circlejerking
>gets mad when it isn't

[Anonymous No.17224491]

>>17221780
>nordic model

complete government takeover of industries. Okay boomer you tell yourself that's the nordic model and not real socialism

[Anonymous No.17224493]

>>17223065
Also democracy is by it's nature authoritarian.
Why the fuck would you want people to be able to vote on using coercion against your own life and what you can do.

[Anonymous No.17224495]

>>17224480
muh latina women

[Anonymous No.17224496]

>>17223385
no, they really won't. the only reason we don't cut welfare down to the bone is because we all recognize that most of these failed adults have kids, and it'd be fucked up to let their kids starve. If we cut benefits more I'm sure poor people would steal from each other more and there'd be more of a strain on the criminal justice system, but it would never reach anyone outside the ghettos.

[Anonymous No.17224508]

>>17221680

Settle down dad

[Anonymous No.17224525]

>>17222868
Communists are the ones who lack compassion, they are emotionless psychopaths that see other humans as tools for manipulation.

[Anonymous No.17224546]

>>17224424
>This concept is really hard to communicate to normiefags so I hardly bother. Most of these debates revolve around invoking the government to solve government-created problems. The housing crisis was literally created by the government, not any "free market."
Based fellow libertarian.

It's incredible how dumb the average person is for not understanding these things.
Most people get by on simple thinking, clickbait bullshit and emotional arguments.
This is why socialism is so popular.
The actual solutions to our problems(free markets) are incredibly difficult to explain to people unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.17224555]

>>17223592
those were loans retard. I hate you zoomer fags so much, you think you know what you're talking about and have no idea how dumb you actually are.

[Anonymous No.17224598]

>>17221607

Wtf? This is season 2 Bernie now, he gives no fucks, hates trump, and actually knows his shit. He would fucking destroy trump on stage

[Anonymous No.17224612]

Bribing voters with promise to cancel their debts is pure subversion of the Democratic process.

[Anonymous No.17224638]

>>17224598
>actually knows his shit
Your decrepit communist jew has accomplished nothing of note in a career as a politician, beyond enriching himself and allowing the corrupt DNC to flourish.

[Anonymous No.17224649]

>>17224546
this but land is the common property of mankind

[Anonymous No.17224706]

>>17224612

This is where we're at right now. One side is just outright bribing their electorate with the money of middle and upper middle class working people, the other side is putting on a false face and acting like they're "totally for limited government" but are rank and file statists just the same, tossing their voters a bone every now and again. Our duty as voters is to actively resist the gradual and eternal encroachment of the state into citizen/business affairs because that is what they will do, that is their imperative. They'll give you every bit of lip service possible to achieve it.

[Anonymous No.17224722]

>>17221591
There's no correct move. It's a checkmate situation.

[Anonymous No.17224739]

>>17224649
so basically you're saying nobody can own any land because someone else also owns it too
sounds pretty authoritarian

[Anonymous No.17224771]

>>17221591
wall street received loans and paid them back, with interest.

student loans are exactly that, and you should pay them back you fucking commie

[Anonymous No.17224798]

>>17224739
Nah I'm all for the exclusive use of land, it's essential for markets to work. However, allowing one person to hold land in perpetuity is demonstrably a bad idea.

We know that taxes have to come from somewhere, and we also know that taxes on labor and capital hurt production. The only free market solution is to tax the market value of natural resources, since they are the common property of mankind. Land speculation is the one thing that literally does come at the expense of everyone else, and land values don't come from anything the owner did (ie, deploying labor or capital) but rather from what everyone else does-- especially public spending. By doing this you have a tax system that is equitable, enforceable, and encourages labor and capital. It is the most sympathetic system to free enterprise imaginable.

[Anonymous No.17224865]

>>17221665
lmao you're saying that making uni free is bad because you could have had a much better life if uni was free.

[Anonymous No.17224883]

>>17224638
this is the dumbest and least informed post in the thread
congrats moron

[Anonymous No.17224926]

>>17222244
The economy is the opposite of fragile retard. Also, imagine thinking that bankers keep the economy afloat instead of the working class (i.e. the people that produce the goods and services, the value of which gets put in the fucking bank)

[Anonymous No.17225011]

>>17224883
>Implying anything Anon said was incorrect

[Anonymous No.17225034]

>>17224926
>the value of which gets put in the fucking bank
...
you really don't see the irony here? What would happen if those banks failed?

[Anonymous No.17225044]

>>17224798
>However, allowing one person to hold land in perpetuity is demonstrably a bad idea.
homesteading and competing claims associations is a solution to this

[Anonymous No.17225050]

>>17221691
This

[Anonymous No.17225070]

>>17221591
I was going to go to school but didnt because I didnt want to be in student debt. Wheres my payout?

[Anonymous No.17225082]

>>17224638
>a single person in congress didn't do stuff
wow, no shit. Learn how congress works

[Anonymous No.17225103]

>>17222285
>taxing billionaires more prevents people from becoming billionaires because.... reasons

[Anonymous No.17225152]

>>17223003
Pro tip: you’re a fucking moron. You “pay” for everything already. Do you know how many trillions in bombs and mega rich bailouts you “paid” for you imbecile? You should be glad it’s for something that benefits you for once but nope you moronic bootlicks are angry at the mere suggestion lmfaoooo

[Anonymous No.17225213]

>>17223003
bernie has a net worth of 3 mil, which is a lot but nowhere near 1% levels
also pointing to him having money as some evidence of him being disingenuous is a slimy dishonest tactic to delegitimize the 60+ years of consistently fighting for the working class

[Anonymous No.17225526]

>>17224406
as I take it, neoliberal means that "progressive" is whatever yields the most $$$. it's really that simple. so if feminists suddenly lobby for children to be groomed and whored out, or for women to be whores in general, because doing so means a lot of $$$... then they are neoliberals. since the economy has to expand in addition to personal liberation. this is achieved in form of propaganda. or think of telling women that smoking is empowering. this is neoliberal propaganda. or telling women that being a prostitute is empowering and "progressive". neoliberal. simple.

[Anonymous No.17225578]

>>17221607
fpbp. Kikes BTFO.

[Anonymous No.17225584]

idk but does anyone realize that students aren't gonna get new credits if they cancel them now
no more billionaire/wall street financed sjw studies for you zoomzoom.

[Anonymous No.17225595]

>>17224598
>thinking a communist jew that drives an r8 knows anything
NGMI
>>17224883
fuck you kike death to israel

[Anonymous No.17225617]

>>17225584
making college free will fucking ruin education, and its already a communist shit hole of a system. It will just create more expensive private universities as the state funded free ones turn to nigger appeasement camps

[Anonymous No.17225633]

Why is this such an issue? Most of the debt is held my women who can't pay it off. All they need to do is go out some fucking STEMcel Timothy in their last semester. The STEMcel has been deprived of female attention throughout his college years so he'll marry and pay off the loans of the first girl that smiles at him
>>17225213
Can fight for the working class for 60 years but gets overrun by 2 BLM protestors and gets walked over by anyone who opposed him

[Anonymous No.17225656]

>>17225044
but not a solution to all the other problems that private ownership of natural resources presents. Is there any good reason to tax production instead of natural resources?

[Anonymous No.17225684]

>>17225617
It used to work well enough in my country, though I guess the US will fuck it up somehow

[Anonymous No.17225693]

>>17221657
Hes basically popular with the most vocal demographic in the country: college age people. (At least vocal on the internet)