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>> No.17065557
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Best TA fags on stocktwits?

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Quick reminder that due diligence is for pussies, and that everybody in this thread should /all in/ on SSO like real men.

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Couple new articles on BMW's new smartglass..

Potentially REFR?

Is BMW going to be one of the 3 brandname OEM's that Joe Harary was talking about?

Eitherway. the volume for REFR is coming sooner than later!



New interview with the CEO of Gauzy


>> No.17065597 [DELETED] 

Third for TSLA
FUCK the shorts

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7 years in the making

Some guesses include BMW since their "Cool Shade" was shown in an article. That was on an Active Tourer Concept. OF NOTE. It's an EV.

This video is from 2013


>> No.17065602

Is IRBT a good buy ahead of earnings?

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what would you recommend to recession-proof my Roth 401?

>> No.17065621


Don't catch a falling knife


That's risky as fuck


Should of bought AUPH.

Well, could say the same about should of bought AMRN before Reduce-it in Q3 of 2018, but oh well

>> No.17065631

I can only buy boomer index funds - can't even tap out and sit on the sidelines.

>> No.17065638


I don't understand the advantages of letting your money sit in 401k when a better idea is accumulating dividends over time and reinvesting said dividends for more dividend paying stocks

People say 401k has no taxes don't realize you pay taxes once you take that money out

It's a big waste of time lol

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to everyone that has experienced past outbreaks while being in the stock market, be honest with me, how does the current one compare?

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401Ks reinvest dividends automatically....

>> No.17065657

>That's risky as fuck
So is putting money in stocks instead of bonds.
SSO is actually optimized leverage for long-term holding over the course of decades, which is why I picked it instead of SPXL.
You just gotta HODL and avg that RNG risk, bro

Also, I got another 60k-80k tucked away in checking accounts...
Also, the average director at my company is sitting on millions of dollars of our company's stocks, which probably has roughly the same volatility as SSO, if not more... That was pretty eye opening when I realized it.

>> No.17065686

It's a Roth 401, so taxes are already paid, and my company adds $4,500/year to it
I'm starting to see it's not all that much different than just opening up a Robinhood account with automatic deposits and going with $SPY for the longhaul, but it is what it is.

>> No.17065687


Looking at the options in your 401k, find a stock to fixed income asset allocation you feel comfortable with ( 50/50, 60/40, 70/30, etc.). Pick an allocation that won't worry you and keep you up all night. Rebalance your AA ratio ever so often by selling the leading asset to buy the lagging one.

The S&P 500 and Fixed Income/US Bond funds would be ideal for that strategy. But go with what you feel comfortable with.

Recessions typically average about a year in length, so don't stay in FI or cash forever if you decide to completely liquidate equities and get out of the market. Good luck!

>> No.17065705


You don't get as much control with your money inside a 401k vs. in your brokerage.


Bonds is good for accumulating money over a few decades I guess. But that return is low as shit.

Stocks aren't risky at all if you know what you are doing. The main thing to remember is even if a stock halves and you lose half your money, you still have something that is worth. And those losses you can use on your taxes.

Options are where the real risk is.

Check out our boi for example


>> No.17065710

Virtually all REFR buyer segments in decline. Autos are getting clubbed like mini mini seals.

>> No.17065734

Is the only /biz/raeli approved redditor, based legend, the buffet of losses.

>> No.17065739


I'm long REFR since low 1s, even if REFR drops to $2 i'm not selling, i'm buying more cheapies.

I sat through AMRN from 2014 to Q3 2018 with people bashing it nonstop, and then the reduce-it results came out and my money quadrupled the next morning. Wishing I wouldn't of sold at 12, but i'll take that.

REFR has nothing to do with the auto segment, the reason REFR had bearish price action on friday is because shorts are hammering the stock, which is better for me as I get more cheapies :)

The beauty of being a long.

Yes, if you bought REFR in 2000 at $30, you are the ultimate bagholder. HOWEVER

Keep in mind, this is a company that has existed for 50 years, and never turned a profit.

This quarter, they posted a -0.01 cent loss per share, down from -0.03 cents the quarter previous. Next quarter may break even.

Timing is everything

The volume is coming.

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Hello YANG GANG, you'll feel the pain

>> No.17065751

401k are nice for another reason; employer match. You toss 100 every check into it. They toss 100 every check as well. Free money. So 200 x 2 (paid twice week) x 12 is 2400 a year. Also that money that is taxed is only what you take out when you hit age 60. So if your expenses ain't much or you have other income streams you may not need to suck out as much from the 401 so less of a tax bite.

>> No.17065761

Ok, gwailo

>> No.17065770

Well, it sure has a great safety margin. But if autos arent one of their potential markets, which are? Also REFR has a bearish sentiment for a while now, not just friday. Havent checked the volume, but besides technicals, doesnt look THAT promising. Have a hunch that their manufacturers will do some devious shit.

>> No.17065790

Just like ONTX. They've got good things in the works. if you bought at the 52w high your deep in the red. If you bought recently the red is not so bad due to the market shits and games. But the rewards by holding will be very nice and make all the bad days worth it. Depends really on the news when it drops. So so news $2.00 a pop. Outstanding news that blew away the expectations, $3 or 4 is not outta the question. Either way you leave with more green than you put in.

>> No.17065799

you should try for at least double that
any company that matches 401k contributions should be in the 3% range or higher, so you would have to be making 40k/year for 1200/year being your contribution that matches (3% of your salary).
Making a more reasonable amount (80k) and contributing 5% with a 3% match gets you to 6400/year, which is a bit more healthy.

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Buy Amazon as soon as you can!

>> No.17065814

heh, it was just an example. I picked 100 at random.

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Automaker stocks getting hammered doesn't have much if any impact the stock price of REFR.

REFR is a autoglass company for OEM manufacturers. Their sales and how much money they bring in from their product being leased out to 40 different companies is what makes REFR go up or down. REFR doesn't actually manufacture anything themselves. They just own the license and patents.

Like I said, timing is everything. They posted a -0.01 cent loss last quarter, down from -0.03 cents the previous.

Also, autos are the big market right now. But architecture soon will be the big player in the foreseeable future.

This is a low float stock so naturally it will have low volume. Not many people know about REFR or what it is yet. That's why it's key to be an early investor. Stocking being down from a 5.38 high doesn't make it bearish imo. Like I said, been in this since low 1s, and couldn't care if it suddenly dropped to 1.50 or 2. I'm loading up more.

I won big with my bet with MNKD, then my bet with AMRN, now my blockbuster bet is REFR

Watch this video for more info


>> No.17065837


I made a typo, change leased to licensed*

>> No.17065858

I'm worried

>> No.17065911

Alright alright

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>He fell for the Corona Virus recession meme

>> No.17065947

best european broker for futures? I heard degiro is bad.

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Tick tick tick tock....

>> No.17065994

Shoo. I'm tired of losing$

>> No.17066138

Green Monday?

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So I just sent some emails to Frankfurt Airport and Verdi (large German union) about the lack of masks or other protective gear on their bus drivers. I even threw in some quotes from the BAuA (Bundesanstalt für Arbeitsschutz und Arbeitsmedizin), some kind of subset of the ministry of health I think that specializes in guidelines for work conditions, where they clearly state that masks are the bare minimum for anyone working in proximity of infectious diseases. This ought to annoy them.
Will post results if they reply.

>> No.17066180

it's over

>> No.17066240

>stock market has been shitting the bed the hardest it ha sin years
>unironically yesterday everyone decides to ask me out of the blue how my stocks are doing

Why is life so cruel bros?

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how many people is everyone?
how did you reply?
how are your stocks doing?

>> No.17066256

got sum puts on fraport, hopefully bleeding more on monday

>> No.17066319

GOOG or SNAP for earnings? I really need to make up money.

>> No.17066337

I'm a poor man, would fractional shares of Amazon be ok if I put in money every month?

>> No.17066344

In Germany we call it Schadenfreude. Just ignore it, it's basically inevitable to make profits from stocks if the time line is long enough. Anyone who doesn't own any stocks is an idiot.

>> No.17066358

Is amazon going to pump this week in a time like this?

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>Anyone who doesn't own any stocks is an idiot.
thats how i feel when i see baby boomers or gen x complaining about money or increasing the minimum wage

>> No.17066496

Unironically? They will always ask you this shit as soon as they see their precious mainstream outlets talking about a correction in the market. That's just a part of being a sheep. I hope you countered them, making them feel stupid is worth gold

>> No.17066527

Germans are notorious for putting money into saving accounts with near zero yield. others praise mutual funds to be the only solution to accumulate millions.

>> No.17066563

why the fuck do you tell people you have money in the stock market?

>> No.17066618

Chinese authority notified all stock trading companies, leveraged selling (aka shorting) will be forbiddened starting from tomorrow aka Monday. They explain the decision is a "political mission to resist the pneumonia and stabilize the market" and companies should work to prepare the mind of customers for it.

>> No.17066632

Let's not forget that they will pump the markets with $180b or something on Monday, the charade has to go on!

>> No.17066633

no surprise there
at least they will allow people to sell shares normally

>> No.17066644

A bit. Though I doubt it will do much.
Though it will serve as a reminder not to invest in China, as they will just influence the market or their balances.

I would also stay away from Tesla if NIO ever gets big. I have no doubt the Chinese would kick Tesla out one way or another.

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The tripfag created drama has gotten out of hand and I want to leave /smg/ and go elsewhere.

Are there any other chans that have a thread related to stocks that is at least somewhat active?

>> No.17066664

im ready, tesla gap up to $700

>> No.17066674

it's probably why infections are growing at a lesser daily rate now

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Ok, I am no longer worried.
This is like someone on fire yelling that the situation is under control. It will make things much worse.

>> No.17066712

It's pretty calm again now though? Just report the people flooding/spamming the thread since it's against the rules

>> No.17066729

Everyone knew that they were going to impose a "no short selling" rule
It should be priced in to markets outside of china.
If they still have unbelievable sell pressure at the open and not enough supporting buys (likely) things will still be bad.
If they implement any kind of "stock selling limitation" for stocks that traders actually own, that's when you know that the house is on fire.

>> No.17066736

Whelp, at least those in the US can read the writing on the wall and short some shit.

>> No.17066739

What’s the best robinhood alternative for europoors?

>> No.17066749

binckbank degiro directa

>> No.17066757

What are you buying this week fren?

>> No.17066764

Ill be shocked if it opens or stays open

>> No.17066768

>I would also stay away from Tesla if NIO ever gets big. I have no doubt the Chinese would kick Tesla out one way or another.
China hasn't kicked Apple and they're not going to kick Tesla out either since it would force westerners to pull their investments out of the country, fuck their economy, and spark a major trade war. Tesla is well received in China, they're one of the few companies that take advantage of their nationalism by offering them the chance to design their own Tesla model that will get shipped globally. This is inline with the goal of China, they don't want to just make things for other countries, they want to sell them services as well and Tesla giving them this opportunity is good marketing for that. China needs an electric car revolution more than any other country, they're dying because of all the ICE pollution which is why their government is very pro EV and welcomed Tesla into the country in the first place.
It's just always going to be a problem and they would rather everyone here hate them than to forgo having a username on the only major English speaking site that has anonymity. They don't give a fuck about our board culture, they just want attention and will fuck over everyone here to get it. I don't want those types of people to profit off my advice so ignoring them isn't a good solution.

>> No.17066769

Which do you use

>> No.17066772

Well any stocks that drop 10% in Chinese market in a day will be suspended from trading anyway. And it's not uncommon for thousands of stocks in the market to face the same fate in the same day in China.

>> No.17066781

>funds are safu

>> No.17066783

They used nationalism to push its share in China down to insignificance

>> No.17066784

I am planning to purchase my first stocks and picked the following as a staring point, my budget is about 2000€:
Deutsche Bank
A precious metal mining company

What do you think?

>> No.17066795

I think they'll open
there will continue to be "good" news rolling out until the markets open
the longer they wait, the worse it gets. Even if they wait a couple months for this whole virus thing to blow over, no one will want to hold stocks on an exchange that can get closed by the government for that long! they have to open the markets back up. it would have been better for them if their markets had been open all last week too, then 'bad' news can get sold and priced and there is less uncertainty

if they all drop 10% do they just close up and go home, or is there a possibility for trading to resume after lunch?

>> No.17066802


You should do an s&p500 fund for any retirement account. Never waste your retirement accounts with single stocks.

>> No.17066831

>Everyone knew that they were going to impose a "no short selling" rule
I didnt. I thought it would stay at buying up stocks, making some big fluffy promises and forcing companies to buy their own stocks.
That was obvious so the news did not suprise me.

>If they implement any kind of "stock selling limitation" for stocks that traders actually own, that's when you know that the house is on fire.
I suspected they might implement all this stuff later this week and just take the hit on monday to get the highest pressure out of the system.
I didnt think it would be on monday.
I am always very careful with China. Maybe overly cautious. From personal experience I know a lot of people who got fucked over by them, even if it hurt the Chinese economy. Mostly mid sized car suppliers and appliance industries.

The only experiences I was told from the engineers there were all
>Build plant in China in cooperation with Chinese company
>Chinese steal design/tech
>Kick westerners out
>Milk profits
>Repeat with next company
It will open, no doubt. I expect the gov basically promising the second coming of Christ and 1000% tax reductions for all Chinese people and companies through the day.
>Deutsche Bank
I really wouldnt.
PE of 180+ is kinda scary even though it is a solid company.
Good company.

>> No.17066839

I don't think anyone here has ACST anymore since I didn't see it brought up, but damn, on Jan 10th it dropped from $2.18 to 0.76. Holy moly. I remember when it was talked about along with AMRN here.

>> No.17066846


High yield funds, dividend growth funds, and dividend single stocks are not tax efficient outside of a retirement account. They have also lost to VTSAX, even factoring in the dividend.

>> No.17066869

I appreciate it, sounds like good advice with the perspective that things are always changing!
I agree, but S&P right now? Especially with the volatility of last week and tomorrow's news? The screen cap is my Roth 401. I also have $9K in a Vanguard IRA and $6K + contributing 10% to my company stock. Wife also has an equal sized 403.
I've got an extra $1400/mo I'm looking to park somewhere as well as soon as I get more comfortable with where my current investments are and the roadmap for the next few years.

>> No.17066884

I just use my normal bank because it has a very cheap service to invest in etf.

>> No.17066888

>I suspected they might implement all this stuff later this week
No they really, really shouldn't and I don't think that they will.
The way that I think of it is like this: short selling is more of a privilege than a right. There can be a perfectly successful equity marketplace without the existence of short selling.
Being able to buy stocks and sell shares that you own, when the market is open, is more of a right. Of course if there isn't another actor to take the other end of the trade it's a different story. But if China (or anyone) ever implements some kind of rule like "You are only allowed to sell X shares of XYZ corp per day" it undermines the basic market mechanics and the faith in their market.
Any sort of action like that, I think it would be unthinkable for China to actually do unless they hit CBs like 3x in a row. It would be very bearish for all Chinese stocks, any stocks outside of US and Europe, for decades. It would be slightly bullish for the US equities, because people would continue to see them as safe and fair (but they already did before, so I don't know how much would change... )

>> No.17066894

>Deutsche Bank
>A precious metal mining company
Deutsche Bank is a shit show. But the state might prop it up. Mining? Terrible margins, over-leveraged, high cap-ex business. id stay away

>> No.17066895

>Deutsche Bank
pretty much missed the pump a few days ago, people are betting on future outlooks due to restructuring

>> No.17066909

>No they really, really shouldn't and I don't think that they will.
Of course they should not. But I dont doubt their eagerness for a second.
I already thought they would only apply the banned short selling later this week and underestimated their response.

>> No.17066934

Shorts make it more lucrative to buy dips and lows

Id rather buy a stock i like if it has short float

Not sure on banning shorts unless you have shorts causing panic online

>> No.17066943

They have some 10 billion dollars in revenue from China each quarter and Iphone sales rose 18% last month. The tradewar hurt them, but it's not like they're shut down. I would say that they're competitive in China.

China cannot afford to push foreign investment and business out of their country. Automation is increasing lowering the cost of producing goods regionally instead of everything being made in bugland. If they're going to stay alive, they need to transition to more to a service economy and countries that allow foreign competition seem to win in that regard. Undoubtedly, they're heavily influencing this in their interest, but western companies can still do well there.
I don't disagree at all that China is awful to smaller companies and have scammed tens of thousands of businesses, but screwing too much with larger ones draws too much attention to risk it, at least in the foreseeable future. Tesla has the only 100% foreign owned car factory in China. They financed it and gave them their best government rates. They built it in 8 months. From the point of view of Tesla, they have very little tied up in China. The stock price is highly depended on success there but it cost them barely anything. They're also not worried about getting their IP stolen because they plan to out innovate everyone else and not only are there already a lot of Chinese spies in US factories, anyone could buy one of their cars and reverse engineer it so they never had much of a way to protect it.

China sells about 24 million passenger cars a year. The global market is around 82 million. Tesla doesn't need to be a success in China when they have the best car on the road everywhere and can produce high end EVs cheaper than any other company.

>> No.17066962

They have to just limit the drop on open.
If somehow they are down less than 10% the first day it's very good for them. (and US futures should like it)
If they hit all the CBs then we have to play the same game the next day of "how far will it fall" and the uncertainty will build. The sooner we find solid footing the better.
The buy program and banning short-selling that have been announced are seen as a reasonable and conservative action. But any more manipulative actions that they announce will have a negative effect on confidence;

Right now I'm positioned for more uncertainty and volatility into Monday morning, but I'll probably adjust to a neutral position after that.

>> No.17066966

The very smart hk doc said it will peak in china in march to april. Just fyi and his predictions have happened perfectly. Hk docs eorked very hard on modeling

Weve just begun

>> No.17066982


So like early to mid summer is when the virus might stop hitting market at earllist prolly

>> No.17067019

>Right now I'm positioned for more uncertainty and volatility into Monday morning, but I'll probably adjust to a neutral position after that.
Yeah, we will need to see tomorrow if we can beat the dead horse/short the Chinese a bit more. I did not even bother to plan any moves for tuesday, because the situation is so unpredictable.

In my opinion we will see a 5-8% drop tomorrow and some -2/3 tuesday/wednesday Maybe even a stabilization. Im just trying to get the fuck out of my positions before the Chinese can turn the ship around.

Interesting take. Thanks.

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The infection numbers in Hubei aren't the main concern for the markets. Things like quarantines and travel restrictions are what matters, and if the infections in other provinces/other countries start to look out-of-control.
We should know in the next 1-3 weeks if there will be any significant impact outside of China or now, and within China, how many of the provinces outside of Hubei are significantly impacted. If the ex-Hubei infection numbers are spreading exponentially anywhere, then it matters. Otherwise, almost all those case numbers that will be growing until March/April are quarantined to one or two cities. In which case the market will completely not care.

>5-8% drop tomorrow
to clarify, do you mean in mainland Chinese exchange or the US? I should hope we wouldn't fall by that much (even if it would be very profitable for me).
On the other hand, I would put a Chinese drop at 8%+. Even with their government buying their stocks, I don't see how they could have stocks end up less than 8% down tomorrow.

>> No.17067065

It's self sustaining all across china

Is metal stacking the most boomer investment?

>> No.17067071

watch this 2 or 3 times, once a week.


seriously the most helpful investment video you can watch this month. dont watch once.

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I just posted in another thread, but it belongs here as well. Short BUD. Between the Corona virus, which people apparently are actually retarded enough is because of the beer, and super bowl ad spending, it's gonna be a rough quarter.

>> No.17067086

In China.
An 8% would be awesome for my Yang, but for me its the best case realistisc scenario
I think -4/5% is the most probable. No guarantee though, just my rough guess.

If they get -3% or less there is some serious fuckery at work and the Chinese gouvernment itself buys up stocks.
Do they have earnings coming up?

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what are the consensus on next week markets

>> No.17067105

Bad panic

>> No.17067108

Yeah, 2/27 premarket

>> No.17067112

>It's self sustaining all across china
I have not seen any numbers to back this up.
If things stay uncertain for the next week or so I keep making more money
but I really think that things will begin to begin to level off

no way that they could just have a -3%
think of it this way:
The higher the Chinese stock prices stay, the more attractive it is to take your money out and sit this one out in cash or in international equities. I can't imagine that anyone holding weight in Shanghai would see stocks down under 5% off the open and not smash the fuccin SELL button. Just IMO.

I see a crustacean
hard shell, pincers, scuttling legs

>> No.17067114

>Is metal stacking the most boomer investment?
The most boomer investments are credit card debt and reverse mortgages.

>> No.17067118

who knows, who cares, buying some cheapies if they show up

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thx qt

>> No.17067137

They should have taken the December dump as warning.

>> No.17067139

Trump trial took up news air time. Itll seitch to corona this week

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Panic monday
>no way that they could just have a -3%
I know. That was hypothetical. I just stated that for this to happen the Chinese gouvernment would basically have to force traders to buy stocks with a gun against their heads or take over two banks for a month.
>The higher the Chinese stock prices stay, the more attractive it is to take your money out and sit this one out in cash or in international equities. I can't imagine that anyone holding weight in Shanghai would see stocks down under 5% off the open and not smash the fuccin SELL button. Just IMO.
If they stay over -4% I will eat a shoe, I completetly agree with you.

>> No.17067156

everyone I know has been drinking 'ronas nonstop for the last couple weeks
plus Bud Light now sponsors LCS, so young millenials/zoomers esports watchers, the demographic that loves to consoom what they're told, will be drinking it for sure.

I thought that the most boomer investments were buying boats, grilling and yard-working appliances, maybe antique crap to spend 50x what it's hang on your walls...
Boomers who hang old signs and stuff from "the good old days" on their walls like a hunting trophy... Yes, the days of all those great old American companies is over, you were the ones who killed it.

>> No.17067211

is there an app that actually has market openings worldwide listed with notifications?

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Can't wait for tomorrow!

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My first successful stock! Lmao 90%

Any other suggestions on penny stocks?

>> No.17067262

I mean you could just have a daily notification on your phone.
Save the US markets, Euronext/Frankfurt, Tokyo and Shanghai/Hong Kong

All you will ever need.
Same. Cant wait.

>> No.17067279

>if they all drop 10% do they just close up and go home, or is there a possibility for trading to resume after lunch?
It would just close up and people would hope the same won't happen on the next day
>They have some 10 billion dollars in revenue from China each quarter and Iphone sales rose 18% last month. The tradewar hurt them, but it's not like they're shut down. I would say that they're competitive in China.
I thought their market share in China were going to drop out of the top five

>> No.17067284

So I've come to the conclusion that everybody who disagrees with me is literally a samefag discord tranny.

In other news, how big of an impact is this corona chan going to have on q1 earnings... I'm thinking the whole market is pricing this shit in wrong because nobody actually knows the full implications of this shit yet.

>> No.17067322

> Found the overweight BUD portfolio holder
Your anecdotal claims of seeing people drinking 'ronas around the clock not withstanding, no millenials are going to start drinking bud light en masse because they sponsored an esports team. Those faggots are more likely to stop watching that esports team because they took a corporate sponsorship.

>> No.17067327

I have a good feeling tomorrow will be green!

>> No.17067328

It's still not priced in. 90% of china economy is stopped for an extra week, and it's not slowing down so you could expect that to extend

>> No.17067342

from this

Expectations most of china stays shut down an extra week? very high
Expectations it spreads to other countries and creates self sustaining outbreaks? pretty high
Expectations it is a global pandemic and will spread in every country? pretty high

>> No.17067346

What do you mean discord?

>> No.17067348

>ctrl + f
>"sell vertical put spread"
>"0 results found"

Dafuq guise? Sell your weekly SPY and QQQ vertical put spreads every Monday at market open. Sell the monthly at 45 DTE. Take profit at 25% and 50% respectively. Then you take on positions that make up the SPY to get your beta-weighted delta which is weighted to the SPY to -1.

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>how big of an impact is this corona chan going to have on q1 earnings
It's going to vary a lot from company
some companies, like google, have very little impact because they just do internet stuff. if people are still searching about engines and watching youtube ads, they make money.
Even for companies with heavy Chinese integration, they will all have different amounts of "slack" in their logistics. IE, how many weeks between a China shutdown and when it starts to actually impact production, and from there, whether or not it impacts their sales (income)

>I'm thinking the whole market is pricing this shit in wrong because nobody actually knows the full implications of this shit yet.
the market prices in event + uncertainty
the market was CERTAINLY not pricing things in correctly two Thursdays/Fridays ago, which is why I was shouting "sell" in the threads when I should have been sleeping.
I think for now US equities have some room to go down further, but they are nearing a neutral range given current information and future projections

I don't hold any BUD
but I'd advise caution if you're considering to go short on them

>> No.17067361

basically the fact it spreads easily with no symptoms means it will odds on go global pandemic and no country can contain it.

1 American asymptomatic in any public gathering with over 50 people and you have a self sustaining outbreak in a city. 1 Asymptomatic on a subway in NYC and that city is toast.

>> No.17067383

all you need to do is imagine

Asymptomatic transfer to asymptomatic transfer is possible. Meaning you can have multiple jumps with no symptoms.

A Talk to Person B -> Person B goes on subway -> Person C is on subway and then goes to work the next day at mcdonalds cash register -> person D orders mcdonalds and then goes on subway

All of those can transfer this virus without symptoms. Meaning when the first case gets tested it's 2 weeks later and already spread to exponential number of people.

This is about 10000x worse than SARS it looks likes, for scale.

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Yes everybody is gonna start ordering everything online including groceries for virus time.
Trump now definitely not getting impeached so that should put everything green

>> No.17067396

>this fear-mongering

Top kek. This is what's building volatility into the market and making a lot of opportunities. "Blood on the streets, or in this case, your lungs"

>> No.17067408

They're removing him on Wednesday after the state of the disunion address. Word on the street is Sloppy Joe Kennedy is going to replace him.

>> No.17067409

basically it's got above a ~75% chance of being unstoppable globally right now. Right now the low number of confirmed is 2 weeks ago.

Same with deaths. Deaths will only continue to rise for another week no matter if it stopped spreading this second.

When secondary infections start showing up globally is when the panic begins

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people tend to wash their hands, and to not sneeze on each other

the time for unrestricted spread was two weeks ago when most people didn't know about the virus
now that people are aware, the virus will have a much more difficult time spreading.
I do think that countries should have been more proactive about shutting down air travel from China a week ago, but for now things outside of China are looking stable.

it doesn't just spread by magic
you still need one person to expel some virals (by sneezing or coughing) and someone else to breath them in. As long as people aren't sneezing into each others mouths, they won't spread it a million times per day
In china they might, but it's because their hygiene practices are primitive (medieval equivalent in some places, 1700's -early 1900's equivalent in some other places)

>> No.17067413

I think that was before their recent turnaround after phase one of the trade deal went through. They're at least low on the top five list, but they're selling high end phones with high margins so that is to be expected. The average Chinese person couldn't afford anything from Apple.

The difference between Tesla and Apple is that they're Apple on steroids. A high end product that is produced cheaply because of their constant push for vertical integration. Chinese companies are going to be hard pressed to make the equivalent car at the same price point and that isn't factoring in Tesla's autonomous driving lead or their charging network.
>First post in this thread
>Already starting shit

Would you fucking stop? We get it, you're obsessed with getting our attention, but you don't have to constantly stoke the fires and make more people hate you. If you're going to use a trip, don't get upset when people point out that they don't like tripfags, it's so pathetic.

>> No.17067422

It's not fear mongering

Asymptomatic spread is well known now and confirmed in multiple countries including Germany and Australia.

>> No.17067429

you're underrated people's prospensity to be fucking retarded

Does the flu spread in USA?
Does the cold spread in USA?
did swine flu spread in USA?

>> No.17067481

The flu is the most dangerous of the list, and is more dangerous than the coronavirus. Sell your positions at a loss now so I can buy them on the cheap.

>> No.17067486


Just got their patent. Trading currently at 1.00 but will probably bounce to around 2.00 by the end of this year

>> No.17067492

Does the flu kill 4 out of 100 people?

>> No.17067494

>Just report the people flooding/spamming the thread
This. I hate when shillfags spam their bullshit.

>> No.17067497

Do we have any data regarding what the market will do with an AFC win vs an NFC win in the big hand egg game tonight?

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Sup /smg/ -- looking to keep better tabs on stock information and other things I should be paying attention to, rather than just trying to value invest. Any tips? Feel like I'm always behind on info. Not sure if I should just keep Thefly open all the time or something else.

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>you're underrated people's prospensity to be fucking retarded
you actually might be right on that one.

I'll just say, that high levels of infections in first world countries seem unlikely. You would require some event where a young kid gets it and asymptomagically spreads it to their entire first grade class or something like that (because kids are more likely to sneeze all over each other).
Still, people in the US are at least a bit aware that this thing is spreading, and the early cases in the US & Canada seem to be tracked properly.

You might be overestimating how easy it is for a virus to spread. Even for something so infection like 2019nCov, that has so many things going for it, spreading outside of mainland China is still going to be tough. I'm not going to tell you the virus is nothing, I've been arguing with the idiots who have been saying that for over a week now, but I don't think a global unrestricted exponential spread is likely. Only barely possible, given what we know about this thing right now.

More interesting to discuss is just how bad will things get in Wuhan, at ground zero.

>> No.17067536

Just ignore him. LCIguy and Baggie have taken to calling people Discord trannies and insulting them because they're upset about the recent tripfag hatred flareup and won't just accept that most people here won't ever like them.

>> No.17067552

none of those has a 4% death rate

>> No.17067560

Here's a quick rundown, corona-chan is literally air transmittable super aids and will kill everybody. Cash out now because we're totally fucked, and this is going to send stocks spiraling downward. If you're lucky enough to be part of the chosen few who have to rebuild humanity, you're going to want to wait for the pull back then invest in all the cheap real estate and then fuck all the woman so we can get the population back up and actually have a labor force 20 years from now.

>> No.17067577

>their charging network.
That is a big thing the Chinese government can intergere although I haven't read anything about that yet

>> No.17067589

did you follow swine flu?

>> No.17067603

Thanks for your input. As for AMD, I think they are on a good course and since they will supply the nex Playstation as well as Xbox with chips, I think they will do fine in the future.
Regarding Deutsche Bank, I believe they can have potential due to the restructring as mentioned by anon. This however would be a longterm one to hold.
About the mining business, I thought it should be directly coupled to prices of gold/silver etc and that by this, such a stock could give stability in case of recession.

>> No.17067608

Ok, it's 2

>> No.17067609

Just to add some context: I'm not assigning a 100% probability to global spread. I'm just saying it's very possible almost inevitable if it spreads easier than the flu.

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>he doesn't know

>> No.17067615

for up-to-the-minute news I would favor the news ticker in ThinkOrSwim (make a TDA Ameritrade account)
but you don't need to keep your eyes glued to a news ticker to stay reasonably up to date. Just make sure to have a general understanding of current events daily or every other day.

this is also true
if you live through this one, there is going to be a bunch of malnourished diseased box awaiting

swine flu killed some mexicans and everyone found out about it after the fact right?
the reason swine flu was able to spread was because no one knew about it when it was happening

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>> No.17067661

What does /smg/ use for world news, anyways? Feel like I always struggle to keep up unless I sit on /pol/ but that's a shitshow in itself. Hard to get just straight news.

>> No.17067677

>That is a big thing the Chinese government can intergere although I haven't read anything about that yet
I don't think they will. There are plenty of charging stations all over China. There are two major differences between them and the supercharger network. One of them is exclusivity, which is highly valued in a materialistic and status originated country like china, something their elites may not want to get rid of. The other is a technological difference because Tesla's V3 superchargers charge faster than most other cars can handle so it would likely be less efficient to open them up to other cars since they would basically create a charging version of a traffic jam.

>> No.17067685

follow @realDonaldTrump on twitter for all the latest market shifting news.

>> No.17067688

Rarely anticipated a day as much as tomorrow.
This will be a roller coaster.

>> No.17067705

Thanks just bought 100k

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mainstream news is stuff like CNBC, CNN, DrudgeReport, etc.
Good to check those to know what the big headlines of the day will be
Then make sure to check ZH and see what they're talking about.
Then pay attention to all of the news that people post in these threads.
(don't take any of these source seriously at their face value, make sure to contextualize and question them).
For individual companies/sectors, you're going to have to do the legwork yourself with a search engine

>Hard to get just straight news.
it gets harder every year. the trend in ""journalism"" is to drive opinion and drive clicks
everything is focused around twitter.
that's just how it is these days. That's why it's just as important to pay attention to what the daily propaganda is, because that is what most people are getting for their "news".

>> No.17067723

Doesn't seems to be a lot for Tesla

>> No.17067728

The Economist > all other world news relevant to markets

>> No.17067730

This is good stuff friend, thanks. Do you just check them yourself, or do you use RSS? Is RSS even a thing>?

>> No.17067738

When will robinhood give me my tax forms ? Its February already

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I don't use RSS
I think the new version of that is twitter, and just following certain accounts so that you get newest stuff on twitter..
Many sites also will let you subscribe on email, so you could make an email account just to get news alerts and do that too
I don't like having news forced on me anymore than it already is. I only go out and read news stuff when I want to, which ends up being every day or every other day.
As you get older, you tend to be less concerned about staying up with every little thing all the time :3

don't they send them in January or something? check the menus on your account to see if you can download the forms, then contact their support people if you have to

>> No.17067804

Hmm, might sell my GE stock after they fork out the Divvy payment. The company is on the right path and I've made a bit of green on it thus far. But really hell the company is just not the same anymore. My appliances (most) are all GE made (before the 2016 sale of the appliance division) so the only way I kinda support them now is when I buy my light bulbs. Feels kinda bad, seeing all those new GE appliances and knowing that GE itself has zero to do with it anymore. Just a brand name on a bit of plastic is what it comes down to. The real owner of GE Appliances is a china company by the name of Haier. They also have the Hotpoint brand as well. But you know every time I walk into my kitchen I get the GE logo staring at me.

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Most of those are probably level 1 and level two chargers, which are good if you have to charge your electric taxi that has a small battery and never leaves the city, but it would take long time to charge a 100 kWh battery. Keep in mind that most people charge at home and that will be the same for the rich in China. They only need access to the supercharger network if they're going on long trips, otherwise they just plug it in when they get home and unplug it when they are going to leave. The Shanghai gigafactory just opened, it will take some time to expand their charging network but they already have a decent start.

I live at the end of the world and even we have superchargers here despite it being rare to see a Tesla. Their network expansion is very impressive.

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>> No.17067885

GE doesn't make light bulbs anymore

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21-year-old college student here, most kids my age don't like beer but those who do like bud and IPA's. They are also coming out with their new Seltzer and it's going to be cheaper than Truly or White Claws.

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on Jan 28th my coworker (who I keep telling since November of last year should put some of his 401k in bonds) keeps bragging about the market. I told him theres literally a pandemic occurring in china and he should de-risk. "NOPE anon you crazy it will be like sars"

>> No.17067978

Is the news that China won't allow selling on Monday true?

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if no one can sell, then how can anyone buy?
think about it

>> No.17068036

No leveraged selling

>> No.17068040

No chance they do that (on monday)
They banned short selling though, which will incite even more panic.

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>First China bans winnie the pooh
>now they ban selling
why do the chinese hate bears so much?

>> No.17068065

They will limit SHORTING of the market, but you will still be able to sell everything you own.

>> No.17068073

my prediction is 50% off markets in a few months so whatever

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China fears the power of a true bear
the only bears they have in China are adorable goofy bamboo-eaters
they wouldn't know what to do with a 1000 pound Kodiak or Polar Bear

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kinda scary how so few people understand whats about to hit world economy

>> No.17068204

Kinda scary how many people who lack the most basic understanding of medicine and/or epidemiology think that they know what is going.

>> No.17068222

dig yourself in, post your prediction, just remember it a month from now.

It's hilarious how mad people get when someone predicts accurately.

>> No.17068235

If reality actually mattered to this market, Tesla wouldn't be at half its share price

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A sword day, a red day, ere the bear rises!

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You better ganbatte on Monday, Bob. I want cheapies.

>> No.17068263

But if you're wrong you will just vanish into thin air because we're all anons here. We had people here screaming about a recession like 6 times last year and everyone magically vanished when everything went back to normal.. so that's probably why many here views you as useless and annoying

>> No.17068287

>he doesn’t know that short squeezes and hype are part of reality
>he doesn’t know about market makers
>they don’t know that making predictions of market movements based on twitter strangers and Chinese infor/misinfo is foolish

>> No.17068291

I think 03/02/20 has the numbers to be a crash. CCP can put whatever numbers they want in Shangai, but the world is already pretty fucked. It seems that most companies won't be able to supply and will fall, look for instance 3M. All the stocks are going down but pharma and logistics.

The last two weeks we have an increasing of volume in the stocks. Bet what big money is doing.

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>> No.17068309

Take a screenshot of their predictions and bully them when they’re wrong, like God intended.

>> No.17068324

I think they will enjoy being long/bull over the next few months more

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>> No.17068338

Unironically this. I stopped trying to argue with people. I hate niggers and kikes but boy has /pol/ turned a lot of people into conspiracy flinging retards.
>t. Medfag

>> No.17068342

Have there ever been as many people calling “black swan” as there are now? There sure are a lot of people betting that the market is about to drop double digit %...
Much more than the Iran thing.

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Mad as fuck they can't extrapolate and make easy money on puts

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I'm going to buy 2000€ of YANG when markets open 8PM MET and nobody can stop me.
Chinks are in absolute desparation mode, there's just no way they can go through the week green, no matter how much money they pump in.

>> No.17068428

>Not buying YANG last week
I better hope youre quick.

>> No.17068444

Nah, I’m not some retard permabear or bull. Shorting the market right now, based on my own experience and training in medicine, is simply above my risk tolerance. I’m confident that SPY will reach a new ATH this week or something equally ludicrous in this clown world market. I wish you luck with your puts though, anon.

>> No.17068453

I got about 100$ in my cash account. What should a buy for long holding?


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I'm already about 60% certain I'll go up about 400% this year

>> No.17068458

it will open way up because by then the Chinese market will have already been open
you're like 1.5 weeks behind on this one....

>> No.17068474

The Asian markets are going to be hilarious.

>> No.17068489

imagine not knowing the day coronachan lockdown in wuhan began and trading rn

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No survivors

>> No.17068542

Every single death and infection count has been roughly in line with simple extrapolation so far. Does anyone think the 100,000+ cases in China won't alarm chinese come market open?

>> No.17068566

cute! I like it !

>> No.17068567

I made some $$$ off of puts on the 3X China bull etf, I do some hedging.

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>> No.17068626

Guys, I know the chinks are lying.
How do I convert that into an edge in the markets?

>> No.17068635

I do too. I even have a very small % of specific calls. A cure might come out tomorrow.

That being said the negative week ahead is extremely probable and crystallizing

>> No.17068648

buy GALT (probably)

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>> No.17068669

By reading this thread here. Its all we talked about today. And yesterday. And the day before. And the day before.

In case of doubt buy the 3X YINN ETF. Now, if possible.

>> No.17068673

Was supposed to be 3xYING of course.

I almost gave some useful advice here, sorry.

>> No.17068676

Is GALT a good meme like SAVA, or a bad meme like [redacted]?

>> No.17068681

again, because of asymptomatic spread. The second generation international cases could hit in ways you can't imagine.

the containment effort was predicated on symptoms

Until you are 2 weeks past the majority of secondary infection cases being confirmed it's still crazy to go long in my retarded opinion

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The pleasure I feel at the mere prospect of watching bearniggers get btfo this week is nearly sexual at this point.

>> No.17068696

GALT is sort of like the baseline meme that all other memes are judged by

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color palate was a bit off
I think this one's a bit better

>> No.17068739

That's the meme I saw and wanted to confirm if real.

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>> No.17068768

I am about done with trying to reason to with those faggots. I know the quality of /pol/ has been steadily declining, but these people that I swear have come from elsewhere since this outbreak started are on a whole other level of retarded.

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>hard landing

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My 62 year old mother browses /pol/ thanks to gay frog man. I’m not even joking.

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I'll take less profits than you but YANG is going to keep going up as the death toll rises. There were still doubts last week (so I was hesitant) but it's pretty clear by now that Corona-chan is going to do much more damage than most people expect, even if mortality rate turns out to be 3% or less.
More importantly, at least 50% of the population thinks this shit is the common flu, I even still see that posted on /biz/, when all the data we have received so far (based on the "official" Chinese numbers) clearly indicates that the situation is much worse than SARS.
People look at the deceivingly low (and unconfirmed) mortality rate and the extraordinary containment measures and rate the danger lower compared to SARS and other previous Chinese epidemics, drawing inaccurate conclusions. Much like the virus has a two week incubation time, the big dip is yet to come.

>> No.17068796
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Oh god, this makes me want to long... fuck

>> No.17068819

>That's why it's just as important to pay attention to what the daily propaganda is, because that
Implying that smart money/wall st/mm listen to that shite.

>> No.17068820

you were a lot of help fren. If you have an Ameritrade account, if you drop a referral code (since I saw they have a place for it) I'll use it. Gonna open one as well, I have most of my folio in webull though which I'm a fan of.

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>> No.17068827

This + FT

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All these shit tier companies will definitely blame the virus for their dogshit earnings or missed. Calling it now.

>> No.17068833

Does she just hang out in Trump threads? My mom is way too proper to read a site that contains the sort of language and images found on any board on this site.

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>> No.17068847


-10% CLOSE


>> No.17068848

As a European I love my ability to trade through Europe and the US. I can sell pumped stocks before the dump on the next day in the US. And I can buy stocks that will surely rise on the US market 4 hours later.
I just wish my broker had access to Tokyo.

Please be true. It would be the greatest shitfest of our time. A glorious way to bring the red back into Red China
And even if it isnt true it may spread some fear. Win-Win

>> No.17068852

It says no leverage can be used to short.
>t. unfortunately born chinese

>> No.17068858

My guess

Nikkei -6%
Dow -3.9%

>> No.17068863

it is also cute!
very nice work :3

>> No.17068868

And? Whats even your point?

>> No.17068869

Full translation
Just received telephone notification, 1.) For the whole day of Feb 3, other than what is necessary for redemption, no other selling wouls be allowed, 2.) In the half hour before market opening on Feb 3, strictly control the ratio of call and sell auction, 3.) When selling stock, pick order from market whenever possible, do not post orders that would cause the stock to drop to the level that would stop trading, 4.) From Feb 3 to 7 do not net sell, for any selling over 10 Million (CNY) it is necessary to obtain approval from Securites Regulatory beforehand, (telephone and name).
3.) and 4.) are for self-operated entity.

>> No.17068887

Trump should do this. Perma bull market

>> No.17068898

Based chinks. Reminder that by law stocks only go up and never down.

>> No.17068914

Bullrun starts today (golden bull run)

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that still seems... a lot more restrictive than just saying "no short selling"
I think that this is really going to hurt faith in Chinese markets for some time.
None of this applies to HK correct?
And they haven't said what happens if you do try and place orders bigger than 10M CNY? do they try and block the order, or do they just take away social credit points?

from where I'm sitting, this looks like a mistake
I understand that they really want to hold their markets together and keep the damage less than ~20%, but actions like this won't be forgotten for decades,

>> No.17068933

You know they straight up disappear people and kill civilians and manipulate the markets on a daily basis and nobody cares, right? Quit being so dramatic.

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check them

2.3% decline across the board monday

>> No.17068951

>make it illegal for the value of your stocks to decrease
>hurt faith in Chinese markets

>> No.17068985

>I think that this is really going to hurt faith in Chinese markets for some time.
It might hurt the confidence of foreign investor but in China everyone know it is the rule they are playing by and that's why the Chinese stock market is always being described as a casino.
>None of this applies to HK correct?
Hong Kong's stock market have not devolved to such situation yet
>And they haven't said what happens if you do try and place orders bigger than 10M CNY?
No, it just say the command is "instruction from the window to the upper"

>> No.17068993

Imagine if they lied about gdp and all earnings/revenue too...

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I'm sure that they would never do any of that stuff
locking people in to equity positions is completely not chill
that's for bonds and CDs, not stocks. the whole point of stocks is that you can buy or sell however many the market will tolerate at any time
if the government can lock you into your stocks whenever they feel like it, that will dissuade people from buying Chinese stocks in the future

if you aren't allowed to sell your stocks, it doesn't matter what the ""price"" is
the fact that you can sell stocks into a free marketplace is part of their value

>> No.17069021

This is a giant mistake, no doubt. Imo they could have just forced the banks to buy stocks. Or the central bank. Or the companies themselves. They still do that of course, but it wont cause a panic.
Actually affecting the selling side of things will cause havoc

I have Puts on Nikkei and Calls on Gold
God willing Im making bank tomorrow.

>> No.17069030

I'm really curious as to what will happen here
has a stock market ever banned selling before?

>> No.17069055

>free marketplace
Imagine being this naive.

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I've been reading up on how chinese biotech companies are more trustworthy to invest in because they actually need to make a vaccine as compared to western biotech companies.
What are your thoughts on that?
I'm thinking of selling my tesla to buy some of those shares.
Anyone know of any good ones?

>> No.17069074

>if the government can lock you into your stocks whenever they feel like it
They can do the same thing here too, have used that power regularly, have expanded those powers over the years, and will not hesitate to use it whenever they feel it is expedient in the future.

>> No.17069078

This virus thing actually is not bad. We get a reason to shave off the top of a bubble without raising any bad omens: bankers don’t get blamed for
greed (‘no commie tax reforms’),
underlying cycle is hurt only to a
marginal or low lvl extent (no rumors in public of complete halt of growth so small business left almost untouched) and a nice dip for the next cycle to begin.

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Doomers are kind of stupid. In the event this thing is as impactful as you say, hedging in cyrpto, metals, or whatever won't do any good. Look at china now. Do you think people who hedged are living like kings? No, they regret not hoarding food or weapons. It goes beyond bear markets, it would be utter chaos, an actual end times scenario. Regardless of what you do, you are screwed in the new world order. People who lost all their money would be in the same situation as people who got out.

On the other hand, what if this blows over like every other modern day crisis? People who sold at the bottom to hedge would be screwed. Everyone who rode it out or bought the dip would exponentially increase their wealth, just like every other modern day crisis.

One scenario is lose-lose, the other scenario is lose-win. Why wouldn't you bet on the only outcome where you might win?

>> No.17069092

Crazy idea i feel

>> No.17069104

Any reason to think they didn’t?

>> No.17069121

I feel like this was an opportunity for China to act like a 1st world country and they're blowing it
they're acting like the Congo or Zimbabwe or something

Sure, anything that you can imagine with a stock/bond/whatever market HAS probably happened in some 3rd world shithole some time in the 20th century (Latin America, Africa, Asia, Greece....)
Many times you have some government people who don't really understand how things work, but want to try some new policy to try and get more money for their army or something
then they completely fuck up their economy and implement even more retarded policies to try and keep the wheels spinning.
we were hoping that 21st century China was beyond this kind of behavior.... alas, it seems too soon to expect them to behave civilized

>> No.17069123

No biotech is always surging.

>> No.17069134

Can't wait to watch Disney crash and burn tomorrow along with all the Redditors that went all in because "disney+ is gonna be hueg".

I'm hoping for -10%. Put more niggers and women in your movies and see what happens, kikes. Also you went overboard on the pricing at your theme parks they aren't that great.

>> No.17069151

Telling your people thousands are dying and hospitals full isnt good. They gotta lie in their shit position and they dont care to evolve their gov over time. They didnt make the moves they could have.

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I just want to say that this thread has had minimal tripfaggotry and it has been great. I love you all.

>> No.17069196

Yes they banned it in 2015 because they got butthurt that the bullrun didn't continue, the problem with chinks is the fact that they don't understand that shorting is just a part of what makes the market go down. So they banned it, tried to arrest as many shorters as they could, the market dumped another 20% or something even though short selling was banned, the chink government panicked but later realized they could just calm the markets by pumping it with billions and at the same time unban short selling to pretend that everything is now fine.
So they are basically trying to re-do 2015, but much earlier this time.

>> No.17069233


Love you too


>> No.17069249

I want to fuck the female trainers in the forest outside their hometown

>> No.17069256

This needs to be reposted in the next thread, based af.

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Is this a stock market, or a crypto exchange?

No selling? They keep your money?

Is this supposed to be ironic?
If Disney goes down 10% you should be buying as hard as you can with both hands.

>China said on Friday its official manufacturing Purchasing Managers' Index came in at 50.0 for January, said the National Bureau of Statistics.
>PMI readings above 50 indicate expansion, while those below that level signal contraction.
So... if the numbers they gave were the absolute minimum to indicate there isn’t a contraction... imagine how bad their contraction really is.

They lie about their economic data. Russia lies about their economic data. And the US looks for whatever ways they can to make the numbers look rosy as well.

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Checked. Can you shill me on it? Their chart looks like a shitcoin’s if I’m being completely honest. I would drop $333 on 100 shares if there was meme potential though.

>> No.17069334

Is it time to buy the dip or wait??

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>> No.17069348

Completely agree. In the West inflation numbers are complete mystery.

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After i go long ill tell you

>> No.17069404

>he didn’t buy cheap 90 and 180 day YINN calls on Friday

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Point is, black swans are things no one sees coming. This isn’t priced in yet, but all the big money has the same data and extrapolations as the retards and conspiracy theorists. But they don’t have the bias that is looking and hoping and praying for catastrophe.

I like FT podcasts too. And barron’s Numbers.
It was the same with Iran attacks... I don’t believe people who say that /pol/ was ever good. Pretty sure they were a containment board for cancerous retards, just like the “crypto” board.

I think you’re right. I sold my hedgies last week but meh, it’ll be okay.

I may have to risk off and take some losses.

>> No.17069436

>he didn't go all in on Friday before close.
We green tomorrow and every day from here on out.

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guys am hearing lot people say body bags still moving in china

what am some good medically disinfect stocks

>> No.17069453

ETH is mooning and I want to move 10k to stocks, should I move it to cash and average in to SPY 1k a month for 10 months or ???

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market hedging and boog prepping are different things

>> No.17069489

You could. However you sure you're patient enough to do the index long hold? It's quite boring.

>> No.17069498

I'm a partial doomer. Say that China, India and Europe gets fucked by Corona-chan.
The economy would go to shit and this would be reflected on the markets but doesn't mean it's the end of the world.

I'm betting on there being a big fuck up not on life ceasing.

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We may be fine, but how in god's name is India going to deal with this?
>terrible sanitation
>close living quarters
>minimal medical infrastructure
>right next to the hot zone
>cases already popping up
How do I profit when this becomes an epidemic in poo land?

>> No.17069520

Buy 4k of YANG tomorrow, sell when Corona infections start to plateau at the end of the month and markets begin to recover, then continue as planned.

>> No.17069524

I also am hoping for Disney to dip. The cost of the new platform in its early stages might cause earnings to fall short in the near term. That said, ((they)) own our childhood, and our children's childhood, and our children's children's childhood. It's a solid play.

>> No.17069530

Average in over 10 weeks instead of months or you will miss most of this dip and go with TQQQ if you are going to play a basic index so you can actually get some gains. If the leverage scares you, only put 50% in TQQQ and other half in SPY or whatever you want.

>> No.17069533

They actually looked at sars or other things. That or quietly hedge because their position is too big to get out in time

See. We can be nimble and actually understand what will happen. Trad suit people cant think quick enough in general

>> No.17069544

Indian biotech stocks

>> No.17069549

That's all of Asia too pal. If this thing goes big all poorfags are basically fucked.

>> No.17069559

We arent fine

>> No.17069560

aren't poorfags perpetually fucked anyway?
it's who they are, it's their way of life

>> No.17069574

based and poorpilled

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India will be fine. They're immune to illness and disease. Google the Ganges, 100s of millions of people bathing together, burning bodies, drinking it, washing their clothes etc etc all at once. Google the rat temple, literally thousands of rats. they have them drinking out of huge pools of milk in the temple, and you drink the milk next to the rats. The poos are protected by the 1000 arm 3 faced tentacle gods.

>> No.17069589

Ppl thinking usa eu etc are fine are super delusional

>> No.17069592

Ironically if the virus devastated them half of them would be fucked by dying from it, the rest would benefit substantially from the shrunken labor force. Same happened with the plague.

>> No.17069610

Indians are literally too sick to die

>> No.17069613

those damn peasants...
Trying to profit off of peoples' misfortunes!
Lazy bloodsuckers, the lot of them! Rabble !

>> No.17069614

It's true that people don't see the fat tail of a black swan, but we can see the signs and symptoms before it happens.
What makes it unexpected is the probability of the event becoming full blown black swan from those signals is usually significantly less than the probability of it being a minor event.
There were many warning signs prior to the recession, and many people saying something was wrong, but there were far more people saying things are fine and good. Another feature of a black swan event is that after it happens, people automatically make the connection as if it was obvious, when the reality was that the events leading up to the downfall had priced in something small like a less than 10% chance of occurring

If you trudge through the weeks of /smg/ generals you can see hundreds and hundreds of people saying "wow it's a nothing burger", "buy the dip", "you're losing money by not being long right now"

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Short Tata even more than usual.

>> No.17069630

I called it instantly

>> No.17069635

this. most of them are already immune to the coronavirus from ingesting all that feces in their food

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India's gotta be the worst combination of close living quarters, poor medical services and poor sanitation in all of asia though
relative to poor nations we're fine
poos aren't even going to have any ibuprofen or pseudoephederine
not to mention secondary infections when their immune systems get fucked, they're going to run out of antibiotics trying to treat all of the resulting bacterial infections
we do have those things in western countries, with a lot of ventilators, antivirals, steroids etc. not to mention better hygiene.
It probably will spread here, but it won't do nearly as much damage as it will do in poor countries.
yeah maybe you're right, they must have some poo magic or something
aight, not so keen on Indian science tho

>> No.17069640

Wow, you're very smart then. Let me stand aside so your smartness can get by a small person such as me.

>> No.17069652

Eh its because i had already looked through alll such pandemic situations and it matched worst cases

Many people know about the risk of another spanish flu. Just not traders

>> No.17069661

>people automatically make the connection as if it was obvious, when the reality was that the events leading up to the downfall had priced in something small like a less than 10% chance of occurring
Nobody knew what happened in '08 though, they still don't. They blamed muh housing and muh Wall St meanie heads. Those that predicted it predict a 2020 crash for similar reasons since nobody learned shit.

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>If you trudge through the weeks of /smg/ generals you can see hundreds and hundreds of people saying "wow it's a nothing burger", "buy the dip", "you're losing money by not being long right now”
If you trudge through it you’ll find dozens of people saying this for months and years and they’ve been right. You’ll also see people saying the opposite and they’ve been wrong. We’ll see what happens, China might even benefit from having less mouths to feed since they’ve lost their pork to African swine fever and now they have some sort of bird flu.

I need to buy back in to Tyson.

It happened because muh yield curve of course!

>> No.17069672

Nothing is worse than bears who think its not coronavirus causing sellloffs

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enjoy the pink wojak tomorrow

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Based bulltard

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bear gang bang rise up

>> No.17069731

are there any stocks that I should invest in? I have no idea what to invest in to be honest.

>> No.17069769

@[email protected]





>> No.17069796

Index fund (take your pick). Once you have amassed a decent position in one or more index funds, you can try your hand at picking stocks if you want. Trust me, you might get lucky or you might lose 30% on some shitty meme stock. Get a decent relatively stable position and then allocate a smaller percentage to gambling if you want.

If you don't have a lot to invest, consider using fidelity because they have eliminated trading fees and have no minimums for their mutual funds, so you can put whatever amount you want in and and schedule regular investments of any amount you want.

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5 hours to the happening

china -8
europe - 4
usa -3

>> No.17069828

>china -8
It is literally illegal for stocks to go down in china now.

>> No.17069832

Probably not the best time to start right now, whole load of fuck going on, could go many ways depending on how this China situation progresses
wait for some important questions to be answered about the situation in China before jumping in, when you do >>17069796 is good advice

>> No.17069865

The virus seems to be less resistance to heat, and contact between China and India have been very few. Number of flight between China and India is probably less than the number of flight each of them have with like UK. So they could be relatively unscathed.

>> No.17069921

That's true, most viruses don't spread as well in hot environments, but I don't think they're completely safe
It's really only going to take a small impulse for this to go nuclear on India, provided they don't beat it with poo sorcery.
If the transmission rate is 4 in China, then it will likely be even higher in India, it would really only take a few cases in a major population center to see shit hit the fan (more than usual)
It also appears to be excreted in feces, so there's that too.

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i just like to promote them for long-term gains.
dividends will probably also come some day, even if it's in 10 years.

>> No.17070400

Yeah a Fund or three is the best way to go then toss in a few stocks for grins. I like SWPPX and SWTSX myself cause there is no minimums (other than the cost of "1 share") and the expense fees won't kill you. If you want international exposure SWISX is a good option. Just me though, use whatever works

>> No.17070743

>I'm thinking of selling my tesla to buy some of those shares.

>> No.17070765

>BREAKING: 9th case of coronavirus confirmed in the U.S. -- an adult female in Santa Clara County, California - KABC
It's only a matter of time before America goes into permabull mode too. Buy the dip on Wednesday and enjoy the ride lads.

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