20 acres and $20k is it possible?

[Anonymous No.17053768]

Hello anons I have 20 acres outright and around $20k saved up to start a homestead. What are some sources of income? I work remotely right now. However I want to do more “with the land” I did some math and 100 bee hives and 40 sheep would generate $60-70k income. Anyone have any experience with rural income? 5A hardiness zone and good precipitation.

[Anonymous No.17053777]

>>17053768
>I did some math and 100 bee hives and 40 sheep would generate $60-70k income
show me this fucking math, kek

[Anonymous No.17053810]

>>17053768
Fuck the sheep, and start growing microgreens

[Anonymous No.17053821]

>>17053768
Ducks, chickens for several reasons, like pest control.

Sell the eggs (huge income doing that)

[Anonymous No.17053904]

>>17053777
Bees would do most of the legwork. They average $500 per hive. 50k
The sheep go for $140 cwt and that depends on how many new lambs there are.
So closer to 40-50k

[Anonymous No.17053941]

Are you Italian?

[Anonymous No.17053956]

if you have to ask, you're fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.17054201]

Get funding from Soros and turn the whole site into an immigrant camp, way better ROI

[Anonymous No.17054205]

>>17053941
American

[Anonymous No.17054249]

American homesteader here. Apiary can be profitable, but hive die offs are a huge risk presently. Also a fair amount of work involved. Research permaculture. Mushroom farming can be a nice market as well. Just diversify so if something goes wrong with one system, you have backups. Monocropping is the epic failure of our agricultural industry.

[Anonymous No.17054320]

>>17054249
Thanks anon, there would be very little competing apiary’s in the region. I will look into the mushrooms, I have seen some things on them but haven’t considered them an option. Cantrelles grow wild in the area though

[Anonymous No.17054425]

Small cropping generally has the highest returns if you have the water and access to cheap labour. My father has about 70 acres about two hours out of Sydney. He runs a couple of cows and has 5 acres under vines. Grosses about 150-170K a year at about a 30% margin. Works pretty hard though. Does manage to rake quite a bit in cash so tax isn't a priority. But, bad shit can happen. This year he lost his entire crop of grapes due to the bush fires. Keeps him fit though. And free booze!

[Anonymous No.17054517]

>>17053768
There is no money in Picard. He grows wine for free.

[Anonymous No.17054546]

>>17053768
comfy thread

[Anonymous No.17054548]

Based.
How did you get the land? &
what stops you from working remotely on your comfy corona hideout?

[Anonymous No.17054560]

>>17054548
I bought the land in 2015
Nothing really stoping me from working remotely out there I honesty just feel like I am wasting my life changing pixels on a screen for a career.
I would much rather either get into woodworking, winemaking, or farming.

[Anonymous No.17054601]

>>17054560
I'm afraid you will have to start doing both things at the same time. Woodworking after you're done with your client work.
Juggle both things to work yourself into a situation where your woodworking pays a little, and then 'enough' (enough to quit the remote work)

[Anonymous No.17055024]

>>17053768
what's your remot job anon?

[Anonymous No.17055063]

>>17053768
>100 bee hives
Oh wow, just do 5/10 and grow some plants

[Anonymous No.17055101]

I notice there are places in america where they will give away free land as long as you work it for farming/cattle/whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jzukfYDauo

[Anonymous No.17055742]

>>17053768 (OP)
what's your remot job anon?

[Anonymous No.17055763]

>bees are easy
>bees just print money
>I can just have a hundered hives and do nothing
Why not 1000 hives genius

[Anonymous No.17055767]

>>17053768

Unironically start a campsite if you're in a remotely popular destination. With sheep you're going to have constant work on your hands and problems.

[Anonymous No.17055787]

Grow rare plants for the house plant market

[Anonymous No.17056397]

>>17053768
idk who you are, but i am proud of you.

[Anonymous No.17057046]

>>17054249
>Permaculture is a set of design principles centered on whole systems thinking, simulating, or directly utilizing the patterns and resilient features observed in natural ecosystems. It uses these principles in a growing number of fields from regenerative agriculture, rewilding, and community resilience.
This sounds like word salad made from hippie bullshit. Can you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.17057092]

>>17055763
Upfront capital to buy the hives genius. Also bees do require you or someone to be hired to pick their shit up (honey). 1000 hives vs 100 is 10x the work or Labour cost. Think for a moment buddy.

[Anonymous No.17057123]

>>17057046
>have many plant
>have many aminal
>use plant to feed aminal
>use aminal poop to fertilize land
>rotate plant
>rotate aminal
literally just the opposite of what monsanto does

[Anonymous No.17057155]

>>17057123
Thanks, this makes more sense for a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.17057184]

>>17054601
>>17054249
these, quit once you are actually making a living from your land not before

[Anonymous No.17057189]

>>17053768
I work in ag statistics and I can tell you definitively you wouldn't make more than 10k with those animals any given year. And the operating expenditures would likely exceed 10k. The average small family farm (gross sales <50k) actually is net negative on their farm operation any given year and has to take off-farm work if they want to see literally any money at all.

It would literally be more profitable for 90% of farms to just stop farming because they bleed money in any given operating year.

t. been working every day with farm statistics for 6 years now

[Anonymous No.17057371]

>>17053768
Varying on what climate zone you're in certain things will grow wonderfully and otner just won't. Definitely devote a couple of acres to making an orchard or food forest since in my opinion perennial plants are way easier to deal with.
I'll give you a couple of things I would grow with 20 acres:
>grapes
>Peaches
>Apples
>Cherries
>Figs
>Olives
>Mulberries
>Blueberries
>Raspberries if in zone 8 or less
>Oranges and citruses if on zone 9 or more
>Saffrons if if you don't live in a tropical or subtropical area (dirt needs to drain well and not be swampy)
>Strawberries
>Cayenne peppers
Livestock really depends on what you're trying to get out of them. With your amount of land I'd go with cattle, ducks, and maybe something a bit more exotic.
I'd also get some honeybees but keep in mind there's a certain carrying capacity on honeybees where after having enough hives in one area you will get diminished returns. Thus you should spread them out and have them all on separate edges of the property and maybe start off with less hives. Also if you're growing honeybees definitely plants certain things they really like to pollinate like raspberries.

[Anonymous No.17057391]

>>17057371
Check out >>>/out/ >>>/an/ or >>>/diy/ you'll find more knowledgable people on the logistics for how you would actually utilize your land properly.

[Anonymous No.17057494]

I wanna grow a currant farm because Americans don't know the joy. I kinda wanna make cbd or thc infused jams too. I'm already in the cannabis industry

[Anonymous No.17057540]

>>17053768
get yourself incorporated as a farm asap

[Anonymous No.17057545]

>>17053768
>100 behives
>40 sheep
And who's gonna take care of these animals?
Do you plan to hire workers? Did you factor their pay?

[Anonymous No.17057664]

>>17057189
What farms are successful?

[Anonymous No.17057688]

>>17057545
I would be doing most, of not all the work.

[111 No.17057690]

>>17057664
nurseries for small acreage have the highest net. luxury horse boarding can also pay well near urban rich zones. cattle is best on good pasture land with large acreage. local zone exotic crops also do very well, like ginseng, safron, saw palmetto, vanilla, spice shit.

[111 No.17057748]

>>17057664
its a combo of active markets and local weather. If you sell to farmer markets small weights its a shit ton less money than hauling 10 yearling cattle a week to a guaranteed buy market. Always stick to full buy market products like cattle where the buy side is as much as you can produce.

[Anonymous No.17057761]

>>17057189
Everyone of those farms are brain dead 6th gen farming families that have been “doin it since grand pappy”. They don’t innovate and don’t grow the right foods or animals.
>hur dur let’s grow da corn and pigs cleatus.
Average farmer mentality.
There’s a whole new industry of organic growing that people are making a killing off. Rich Yuppies in the cities are paying 10x for organic food. Smart people make money dumb people pick up a second job. Farming is profitable still as long as you run it as a business and not a farm.

[Anonymous No.17057834]

>>17054560
>changing pixels on a screen
Game artist?

[Anonymous No.17057850]

>>17057189
>been working every day with farm statistics for 6 years now
What job it sounds interesting.

[Anonymous No.17058033]

>>17054201
Unironically this.
Now in the Jewropean Union even free gibs for pretending to do agriculture aren’t enough for profiting off land

[Anonymous No.17058571]

>>17057664
Large and ultra-large farms can realize economies of scale such that they actually can turn a consistent profit. Talking hundreds of thousands of dollars of gross sales in a year, at a scale where hired labor, accountants, complex business structures, etc are requisite.

>>17057761
Wrong. Farmers are highly responsive to evolving market conditions. The markets you're describing are niche as fuck and already rapidly saturating/oversaturated. Tons of organic farmers are dropping out of org certification because it's a masssive recurring cost to comply with organic standards and organic can't command as high a premium as it used to since there's more supply than ever. Little instagram hobby farms that sell direct to top tier restaurants are occasionally profitable but you're a retard if you think all farmers everywhere can pivot to that business model.

>>17057850
Fedcuck in the USDA. $84k/yr to harrass farmers with surveys. Comfy but boring and definitely overpaid / waste of taxpayer dollars. Not hiring, sorry.

[Anonymous No.17058587]

>>17057690
>>17057748
Good advice. Good thread. Such a rarity for /biz/.

[Anonymous No.17058703]

>>17058571
Would having an apiary / meadery be considered ag?
I currently make mead as a hobby and people have good things say about my brews.

[Anonymous No.17058704]

>>17058571
don't the economics change if you're marketing grass fed, free range, organic meat? Local! All the buzzwords. I understand mushrooms can be profitable but it seems precarious to create relationships with restaurants to use your product, but I have worked in kitchens that source from small farms - I guess you have to know your locale and talk to restaurant food distributors

[Anonymous No.17058728]

>>17053768
Also about bees in particular, nobody makes money selling honey. Apiaries turn a profit by leasing their bees to orchards durinf pollination season. So if you though you could just set up some hives, draw off honey every now and again (itself not a trivial task at all) and sell it for $10/lb at the farmers market, think again. To make money you'd need to lock in a pollination contract with an orchardist, then stage a transport operation to move all the hives down to the orchard in spring, deploy them in the orchard, then come back and fetch them all afterward and transport them back. It's a huge logistical and labor investment to make work. and you're doing all this while also constantly replacing and repackaging hives that are dying to varroa and pesticide residues and colony collapse.

Bees are about as far from a 'passive income' as you can get in ag. Cattle are the closest since you can turn a herd out to public rangeland in the spring, go out and collect whatever didn't die in the fall, and sell the year's crop at auction. And even that is fraught with veterinary, herding, hauling, etc outlays that corrode your profit margin.

[Anonymous No.17058739]

>>17057834
I am an full stack engineer.

[Anonymous No.17058764]

>>17058728
Never said bees were passive, and not really planning on contracting out to orchards. Bee's have a range of 8k acres that they will roam

[Anonymous No.17058821]

>>17058703
If you have more than 20 colonies or sell more than $1000 of ag products, then you're a farm to us. We only care about the raw value of the honey produced though, we don't give a shit about the value-add portion of the business (honey into mead)

>>17058704
not so much just because, like I said earlier, all these bonafides cost a shitload of money to conform to and to get certified for, and all these niches are getting very crowded these days so prices are suppresed. Example, at my grocery regular ground beef is $3 lb, grass fed is $4.50. 20 years ago it would have been something like $2 vs $4. The premium is coming down.

Don't know much about bespoke mushrooms, I would guess ever since Rogan shilled Stamets on his show that we're experiencing or have already experienced Peak Shroom, in terms of profitable niches. I could be wrong though, they're not my specialty.

[Anonymous No.17058827]

>>17057391
>Check out >>>/out/ >>>/an/ or >>>/diy/ you'll find more knowledgable people on the logistics for how you would actually utilize your land properly.

nice tips. do you recommend perhaps a website or youtube channel?

[Anonymous No.17058857]

>>17058821
how big does a nursery need to be to turn profit and what is a small/avg cost outlook?

[Anonymous No.17059183]

>>17053768
You should start a shrimp farm

[Anonymous No.17060376]

>>17053768
I am planning on having bees, chickens, rabbits, turkey, pigs, sheep/goats on 20 acres


>5 acres for rotational grazing for piggies
>5 acres for sheep and goats rotational
>.5 acres for Orchard bees near to pollinate and the left over apples and fruit for the pigs
>1.5 acres for turkey rotational grazing
>green house space (2, 10X20) for early tomato's/sweetcorn and wintering rabbits and chickens
>chickens follow grazed animals to keep down flies and spread manure also collecting eggs
>2 acres for rabbit and meat chicken mobiles
>last acre for home and small garden for wiafu.

https://youtu.be/smVYindYP3w - Joel Salatin - Polyface farm

^ small version of this. Really just want this as a hobby and if it makes money all the better.

[Anonymous No.17060445]

Make wine

[Anonymous No.17060497]

>>17055763
>buy 1000 hives
>bees all die from colony collapse syndrome

[Anonymous No.17060533]

Im planning to buy about 50 acres of land in Vietnam and use it for agriculture
My primary plan is a vineyard for making wine since the market is booming in Asia for local wines
But i’d still have enough land for other crops, so many fruit or flowers as well?
The region I'm buying in is famous for its flowers and fruit atm

[Anonymous No.17060540]

>>17057123
what do you mean rotate plant like in direction of the sun?

[Anonymous No.17060556]

>>17060540
>2020
>Hasn't researched crop rotation
You're not going to make it.

[Anonymous No.17060673]

>>17060533
they sell land to foreigners? i've consired vietnam as well or phillipines

[Anonymous No.17060675]

enjoying this thread

[Anonymous No.17060680]

>>17058728
>Bees are about as far from a 'passive income' as you can get in ag.
LOL so much this.

Go read one of the old editions of Langstroth. There was a quote from the intro of the edition I used to have, something like "anyone who can earn money off beekeeping can earn twice as much doing anything else."

If you don't know which book I mean, you don't know enough about bees to even consider getting into it yet. Langstroth literally invented the modern hive, and his book "The Hive and the Honey Bee" has been THE classic for well over a century.

[Anonymous No.17060693]

>>17060556
B-b-b-but the Bible forbids it, Anon! You'll burn in Hell for all eternity!!!!

[Anonymous No.17061354]

>>17060673
Only the State can “own” land in vietnam so even citizens cant own it

However you can “lease” the land for 50 years and exclusively renew the lease without additional payment so long as you or any other contract holder is using the land (to prevent absentee landlordism)
You can own any buildings or facilities built on the land however.

The ultimate risk though is that the government can confiscate your land without payment or reason if they desire it for some reason, and some landowners in the countryside have had this happen to them before because the State wanted to build condos or a power plant or something.

[Anonymous No.17061398]

>>17061354
My main worry however is jumping through the legal hoops to produce and sell alcohol here since while it is a growing industry, it can be very tricky, especially with new laws attempting to crush drunk driving and public intoxication.
Still I think its worth the risk, wine is a big market and I can see that Vietnam has all the potential to be the major wine producer of Asia
The land here is perfect for it, reminds me of southern France or Catalonia

[Anonymous No.17061530]

>>17053904
>They average $500 per hive.
I own bees and if you can find some that can get half that send your bee guy my way

[Anonymous No.17061624]

>>17061530
Where is your apiary? You can get higher yeilds in rural areas where there are plenty of wildflower and sweet clover.
There are wild strawberry’s, currants, blackberrys, razeberry, clover, fireweed, and lupin all over here. Some keepers get 100lbs of honey per hive in places.