/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.17016505]

Why is it the rich are blamed for the poverty of the poor? How exactly are business owners keep the poor man down? Bankers and politicians are not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.17016583]

>>17016505
changes in technology are allowing educated/smart people to increase their productivity, while changes in technology are replacing uneducated/dumb people

but simultaneously, the policies of governments (most especially low interest rates) are increasing the wealth of the rich while doing nothing to increase the wealth of the poor, leading to even worse inequality. Good mechanisms are not in place to ensure that this money is being redistributed from the rich/educated/smart to the poor/uneducated/dumb.

[Anonymous No.17016614]

>>17016505
>redistributed from the rich/educated/smart to the poor/uneducated/dumb.
The only way for this is force though.

[Anonymous No.17016741]

>>17016614
And? Taxes are a way to level the playing field and they make sense. The only reason people don't want it is because they either think they'll be rich at some point or are rich and want to continue exploiting low skill labor

[Anonymous No.17016765]

>>17016505
It's those who oppose the redistribution of wealth who are mostly to blame for the poverty of the poor.
They tend to be rich, though not all are.

[Anonymous No.17016775]

>>17016505
He had some cute roasties in his life. You'd think he could tried a little harder to get them to touch his penis.

[Anonymous No.17016819]

>>17016505
bc poverty is literally systematic and allowing extreme wealth feeds the cycle to the point of no return. A functional society would use the finances of the wealthy to create programs for people to break out of poverty, not use poverty so the wealthy can become more wealthy.

Think about this:

>You are a poor, single mother
>You grew up in a culture where you were made to believe you'd always be poor, have no access to anything good, and told the only value you can have is being a mom
>when you're 16 you get pregnant
>it's a rite of passage in your culture to have a baby, now you can get your first paycheck from the government, you are an adult
>Raising a child well costs money, a lot of it
>Your child will not be raised well
>It will be born into the same if not worse circumstances
>Things like IQ, societal adjustment, and general things that allow you to be a productive human are all formed during childhood
>Your child will not be a productive human bc you had no way to get out of poverty
>Your child will grow up to know nothing of a world with opportunity
>Meanwhile, rich kids get every possible benefit & opportunity

This is just one example, but if you are ACTUALLY born poor you literally CAN'T just go and lift yourself out of it. Poor, uneducated people with underdeveloped brains are not good for society or a nation, so it is the wealthy's job to ensure we don't have a bunch of fucked up children and continued poverty.

[Anonymous No.17016852]

>>17016819
it sounds like you're making the point that poverty is caused by an inferior culture. And your solution is to have people with a superior culture subsidize a less successful culture

[Anonymous No.17016861]

>>17016505
Money illusion

the false notion that a piece of paper has some real value and that one person being able to procure more of them must mean others can procure less, despite the fact that the supply isn't really limited and most of those bits of paper only exist as numbers in computers somewhere.

in fact the disparity between the rich and the poor is about the only thing giving those numbers and those papers value, but if the poor were smart enough to understand that they'd also be smart enough to win that game and stop being poor.

But it's much easier to blame the intelligent for your failures than admit that you might be a bit stupid.

[Anonymous No.17016866]

>>17016765
I have lived in NYC and wealthy upstate regions after moving from the midwest. I've noticed something.

People start getting more and more tight and greedy with their money as they accumulate wealth, up until they hit a certain threshold as millionaires and go full socialist. Maybe they realize they have more than they know what to do with.

Of course, I don't have a meaningful sample size.

[Anonymous No.17016888]

>>17016852
It's just one example, like I said. Poverty exists in a variety of cultures. But anyway, not quite how you're phrasing it. I think the superior culture needs to open the doors to the "inferior" one - they are only superior bc they have access to things you need money for. If you're not born into that situation your chance of being able to even understand that culture is basically 0%, the same as rich people can't even begin to understand what it's like to be poor.

Like I said, it's systematic. No individuals are to blame, but yes they exist in separate culture spheres. What we need to do is provide for our fellow countrymen to be able to break out of the vicious cycle we created. It's not really good for middle class either, middle class will disappear in time. We already have a quickly shrinking middle class in the USA. Do we want to be Mexico?

[Anonymous No.17016930]

>>17016505
>Why is it the rich are blamed for the poverty of the poor? How exactly are business owners keep the poor man down? Bankers and politicians are not the same thing.

Politicians are the ones who are the ones who are ultimately keeping people poor and wealthy. They have the most control and could easily make the lives better for those who really need it.

Now who controls the politicians?
The big businesses and bankers of course.

Now what big business and bankers want?
To make more money.

How do they make more money?
By making sure it's more difficult for small businesses to succeed. This is done by making it more expensive to start your own venture which means it's more risky which most people can't afford to do unless.... You are already have a lot of money such as an investment bank :D

By making sure it's more difficult for anyone else to enter their market. This can be done by controlling policies to favor your business or product.


Remember can't let those poor people get money or they might compete start a company to compete with our own.

[Anonymous No.17017010]

>>17016505

Why do the rich/plutocrats think they can/feel entitled to:

- abusing/raping societies infrastructure while demanding others pay for it, and contributing virtually nothing themselves?
- complain about people not working hard enough, when they hire mostly through nepotism, and inflate the wages of some of the least hard working people in businesses (execs and admins)?
- influence law and government through lobbying firms, or outright buy government officials, then cry about big nanny gubbmint standing in their way?
- call themselves job creators when they refuse to create jobs, and instead use corrupt and immoral staffing firms or use corrupt business practices to import foreign labor?
- cry about entitlements, welfare, and social programs, when they themselves live on basically the same kind of system thanks to the fed, and all their crony buddies inflating their wealth?
> hold up the small business owner as their own personal meat shield, while constantly engaging in business practices that fuck them over?

[Anonymous No.17017033]

>>17016888
I think a better way to define it would be low time preference cultures vs. high time preference cultures. Low time preference cultures will succeed and forcing them to subsidize high time preference cultures is exactly how we created the problem we're in right now where middle class and rich are at or below replacement rate and lower income families have higher birth rates thereby causing the cycle to repeat

One major point to add as well is that the money printing of the Federal Reserve has made it harder to act with low time preference since savings are eroded by an ever increasing inflation rate and price of assets.

[Anonymous No.17017045]

>>17016930
Correct analysis, this is also why when companies mature, they tend to become more regulation friendly whereas their core value when they were young was to move fast and break things and let politicians try to catch up

[Anonymous No.17017118]

>>17016505
10 workers generate 1,000,000$ in profit for a business through their labour. The bossman who did nothing but provide upfront capital and "managerial services" that a co-op could account for leeches 700,000$ for himself, leaves 100,000$ to grow the businessmen and pays out 200,000$ in wages to his slaves. The bossman is a leech. He is renting ("hiring" in our vulgar tongue) humans and using solely his wealth to extract more wealth for the sake of his own pride and greed.

He is a parasite, that has always been the lefts argument. That we can do this without leeches and everyone will benefit. His wealth is illegitimate because barring rare cases like an independent novelist all riches either come from exploitation or inherited privilege. Since there is no other option for many but to contract with a capitalist, no contract can be truly voluntary, therefore all capitalist contract is void and arguments about consent are null.

[Anonymous No.17017171]

>>17017118
I used to think like that until I got my first job. I realized then that most people seriously don't want the responsibility of running a business and making the difficult decisions.

Anarcho-syndicalists are onto something with their love for worker-owned businesses, but the thing is... you're already allowed to do that in capitalism. Trouble is, I bet it will be much harder to compete with a more... despotic corporate hierarchy if you have to make each and every hiring/firing/strategic decision democratically. Would be ripe for espionage too, if you ever got big enough for that to be a concern.

[Anonymous No.17017192]

>>17016614
Okay? The rich use force and violence to maintain their property relations. Remove the police and the market would be free tomorrow. All political action is upheld by violence. What sets the left apart is that the left desires to use violence for equality and human rights not some brand of domination. Don't make any illusions that establishment politics aren't violent because they are. It's abstracted away to some "shithole" our imperial military is bombing for resources or into financial slavery of entire nations under the International Monetary Fun and World Bank. The violence is found in conflict mines and slaver labor factories in the third world for the products we consume too. Claiming the rich are peaceful one of the largest crocks of shit that has proliferated this broader cultural conversation.

[Anonymous No.17017248]

>>17017171
It's not harder. There are multi-billion dollar co-op federations like mondragon. It's entirely cultural and any argument to the contrary is just more American exceptionalism. People might not want the responsibility because they are constantly fighting to just survive. Most people have never been asked about or told that a co-op could exist. They've never been given the capital to start one. They've never been permitted a free market to actually compete in. They've had centuries of cultural inertia conditioning them into complacence. It's not inherent at all though and successful co-ops prove this. You're right, it's not easy to compete against despotic megacorporate monopolies who write the laws through legal corruption, "lobbying." And that's why those corporations must be seized and broken up and that government deposed. They will use violence to stop any fair arrangement and as such violence is justified against them. Also I work, most everyone on these boards does. I'm not naive you just gave up old comrade.

[Anonymous No.17017262]

>>17017171
Not intending to be an asshole either. Something I like about boards is that I can be brutally honest.

[Anonymous No.17017269]

>>17017118
And if the business fails, does the capitalist get to clawback the wages from his workers?

[Anonymous No.17017284]

>>17016765
It's dumb people that doesn't understand the nature of wealth that is most to blame for the stupidity of the solution ignorant leftists propose.

[Anonymous No.17017350]

>>17017269
The capitalist didn't have to enter a risk arrangement to begin with. That's his own fault. He could have been humble and lived on the interest of his treasure. Or he could have least insulated himself from too much loss instead of being a fool and going all in. Even so. If the business goes bust the worker is out of a job and if living paycheck to paycheck will likely starve in the worst of countries. I don't see the point of the question either way given that it's always a risk arrangement for the worker no matter what. I and likely you aswell friend, as a worker, must work to live. A rich man can sit idle in luxury his whole life without lifting a finger.

[Anonymous No.17017364]

>>17016505
ironically the kid just needed to buff up and larp as a latino.

[Anonymous No.17017371]

>>17016741
>>17017192
Why wouldn't they leave? They have the money too.

[Anonymous No.17017384]

>>17016741
>And? T
no taxes should not be punitive.

[Anonymous No.17017398]

>>17017350
you understand that there are different risks that people can take but don't seem to understand that this will be a factor in the distribution of profits

[Anonymous No.17017418]

>>17017192
>What sets the left apart is that the left desires to use violence for equality and human rights not some brand of domination.

That's a bunch of bullshit. What the left desires is irrelevant. It's what the people in power desires that actually have an effect on reality. Violence will always be used by the ruling class for their own ends. When an actual bloody leftist revolution happens, there won't be any distinction made between rich and poor, anyone who's perceived to be an enemy of the state would executed. This happened time and time again: the French Revolution, the Communist revolutions in Russia and Asia, to name a few. Many people will act in the most barbaric manner possible when given the chance. Don't think you would be safe just because you've given up all of your property and converted to communism. Claiming that the lower classes give a fuck about equality and fairness is a big lie that leftists like to peddle.

[Anonymous No.17017444]

>>17017192
first semester of poli sci 101 at your local community college?

[Anonymous No.17017525]

>>17017418
this is pretty far left stuff you're referring to, why generalize a spectrum of ideology. you can pinpoint an idea, but it makes a probability a certainty when you do so. you're a fool to think anyone with beliefs that are "left" don't actually believe in equality and well being for all but their party. the people you referred to in your reasoning were clearly misguided, evil or barbaric, not quite close to what the term "left" means in today's politics

[Anonymous No.17017558]

>>17017118
Imagine being this pants on head retarded...

[Anonymous No.17017593]

>>17017558
I can't help but feel this person is a troll. No one who actually thinks that would post on a business and finance forum dedicated to crypto

[Anonymous No.17017607]

>>17017558
you're mentally retarded. do you see what i did there? i didn't respond to your comment with any depth but an insult. haha!! i got you!

[Anonymous No.17017627]

>>17017444
it's alright, to be a novice thinker youngin. no need to bare all that edge you got

[Anonymous No.17017667]

>>17017607
It's pointless to respond to anything he said with any depth, he's completely clueless, I could go on and on about efficient allocation of resources, time preferences, risk taking, etc he wouldn't understand shit anyway because he's just a child throwing a tantrum.

[Anonymous No.17017723]

>>17017593
>>17016852
>>17017033

the problem sounds like you aren't doing any thinking yourself. could you even elaborate on any of your scenarios in this thread? it's all memery and segregation, white/black power, lesser and greater. what does culture have to do with the blessed wealthy ones distributing excess of their abundance to fill the cups lower in the depth? it's not about subsidizing a "lesser" or "inferior" culture, it's creating a new one where both heights meet as the same. why close off the mind to harmony because of events that took place in the past in a less experienced age. ironically, you refer to someone not belonging in this space, but you're an absolute fool to think that there is no crypto out there that is being developed to answer these complex questions of wealth, distribution, and equality

[Anonymous No.17017738]

>>17017371
Fuck em, seize their assets institute a travel ban. Not my problem.
>>17017398
You don't seem to understand that the rich only take risks of comfort but the workers take risks on their life. The reward either gets is not proportional and as explained before the rich don't generate their own value they are parasitic. (Before some retard responds with an emotional one liner read the whole comment chain.)
>>17017418
Hello cold war propaganda. It's a process, don't act like the transition from feudalism to capitalism was peaceful because it wasn't. I don't condone wantonly killing people, even the rich. But what the crowd does no one has control over and that unrest is inevitable when the rich ignore growing systemic problems.
>>17017444
More like years of personal study, you ever read Heidegger jackass? As if academia is anything more than a virtue signal of one's class.
>>17017558
pee pee poo poo your brain is an infinite loo

[Anonymous No.17017742]

>>17017667
yes, TALKING about TALKING about what you could say, when you're too much of a clown to use your brain and articulate your thoughts by actually replying with them. instead, result to claiming that your adversaries claims are meaningless without saying why! again, it sounds like you are the one who is pants on head retarded

[Anonymous No.17017862]

>>17016505
Business owners act like a cartel suppressing wages. Meanwhile their incomes continue to rise. Start a business? You better have a lot of capital or take out debt.

[Anonymous No.17017948]

>>17017738
>Fuck em, seize their assets institute a travel ban. Not my problem.

haha, good luck doing that in today's day and age. With crypto and virtual corporations coming in the next decade, you can just close your laptop and board the next flight out the day they introduce any dumb economic policy like that. Good example is Binance. China made it hard for them to do business and now they aren't headquartered anywhere and all their employees are remote. Expect more businesses to implement this type of strategies.

[Anonymous No.17017956]

>>17016819
>>You are a poor, single mother
Stopped reading right there. If you are poor you shouldn't be raising children.

[Anonymous No.17017980]

>>17017667
>time preference
Consumer time preference doesn't apply in the way it does under capitalism in different modes of production. Think of how the concept applies to fuedal economies then realize that just as it is substantively different there it will also be in whatever mode of production comes after capitalism.
>efficient allocation of resources
potential replies which are all valid. Cybernetic socialism would say that modern computing can solve the calculation problem. Planning also doesn't have to be centralized, it can be bottom up coming from factories and work sites directly. Market socialism isn't even planned, neither is mutualism or syndicalism. Even within capitalism what is a giant corporation like Walmart but a planned economy? I'm not naive, engage honestly or condemn yourself to looking like a fool.

[Anonymous No.17017988]

>>17017723
I never made any points about segregation, power etc. The other anon was describing how people born into a poor culture were doomed to be poor and the rich should use their resources to boost the poor. My point was that if you believe the issues of poverty are caused by culture, then you would be forcing successful cultures to subsidize unsuccessful ones thereby repeating the cycle

[Anonymous No.17018001]

>>17017862
Or if you have a good idea, you can get access to investors who provide capital, networking, advice and support. Once they invest, their fate is aligned with yours so they will help you massively

[Anonymous No.17018007]

>>17017738
>you ever read Heidegger jackass
yeah, when i was around 14 or 15. why, is this supposed to impress me? because it really doesn't.

[Anonymous No.17018026]

>>17017980
addition. Capitalism isn't efficient. Capitalist overproduction is a thing. See there being vastly more vacant homes than homeless people. If the market were functioning housing costs would approach zero to meet the demand. Instead capital accumulation causes speculation ensuring the supply keeps rising and the demand is unmet. See there being 100s of variants of the same phone when 10-20 models at most could fit all utility.

[Anonymous No.17018029]

>>17017980
>>17017742
Off topic question but relevant given you both have expressed your political / economic understandings.

Do you own any BTC?

[Anonymous No.17018048]

>>17018007
Because Heidegger isn't in any intro class and I wouldn't know about him if I were a pleb. It's not meant to impress you it's meant to make you look like an idiot responding with personal attacks, because you are. I've never met anyone who's read him at that age, you're either lying or a "prodigy" and given where we are I'll let the board decide on that one.

[Anonymous No.17018069]

>>17018029
I do, 50/50 split between BTC and ETH. Bought in back in 2016 with basically my whole savings account. 7kusd. Was only able to save that because I'm living at home. I'm forced to participate so I do. I've had people criticize on other parts of the internet say that this makes me a hypocrite. I'd counter that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, I have no hire/fire power nor seek it, and I need to eat too and am tired of living in relative poverty.

[Anonymous No.17018143]

>>17018069
It doesn't make you a hypocrite. But here's something that should make you reconsider your line of thinking.

Even though you despise the inequality that is caused under capitalism, you participate in activities that are capitalistic in nature. You are making an investment that will hopefully pay off so that you can increase future consumption. No one forced you to participate but you reasoned that it was a better option for you.

Compare that to a wealth re-distribution system. You could re-distribute your wealth, but you don't. You know that it would be pointless unless everyone else followed suit. That is to say, it wouldn't make sense for you to give away your crypto holdings to the less well off unless the rich were also forced to distribute away their wealth.

Now compare the two systems:
Under capitalism, you freely participate with no one forcing you and even hope to benefit from it. Capitalism is anti-fragile

That you would only give away your wealth if everyone had to as well shows that a re-distribution system is fragile. It can only exist so long as there are external forces (potentially violent) to comply within the system.

[Anonymous No.17018201]

>>17017988
i never said that you made any points specifically about segregation, power etc. i was using these concepts to explain the duality that you are creating by using the concept of greater and lesser as attributed to culture and humanity. it's too simple to say subsidizing by the rich to help the poor will create this endless cycle you speak of without talking about what exactly it is. why not instead contemplate the source of these problems or questions and explore the outcomes of investing wealth into other human beings efficiently and effectively (to not only benefit the less fortunate but also the more fortunate directly and indirectly), by what these fellow human beings contribute to the greatest culture that encompasses all of mankind?

>>17018029
i'm all in on chainlink, obviously. the amount of bitcoin i own is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.17018242]

>>17016741
>level the playing field
By taking from the productive and giving to the cronies.
Nice logic retard

[Anonymous No.17018262]

>>17018242
except, in this scenario, the cronies as you say truly are the ones producing, are they not? (retard alert!)

[Anonymous No.17018283]

>>17016819
>now you can get your first paycheck from the government
this is societies mistake.
to subsidise the less productive to breed is disgenic.
The obvious solution is you dont get extra gibs if you have a child. even <80iq peabrains can see that having a child is now a bad idea because you have less money to spend on smokes or whatever. Less low iq babies.
Whether this means lowering everyones gibs to zero or raising them all to the level of if you had a child (UBI) i dont care, as long as everyone's getting paid the same and having a child isn't seen as a payrise. a retard can see this is a terrible incentive structure

[Anonymous No.17018297]

>>17018262
No, they're the ones investing into suffocating their competition and buying off politicians instead of producing, OP's pic is a prime example

[Anonymous No.17018336]

>>17018283
the problem here is you're failing to see subsidizing doesn't have to be the same thing as giving the poor people cash in their pocket to do what they will. now imagine subsidizing free birth control for all, sex education, health education, or legitimate not for profit industries that don't have shortening the lifespan of the masses as their centerfold. why not subsidize education accessible by all through the portal of knowledge that is the internet. you're missing quite a lot by writing such a thing off as just being about gimmedats. it's small minded and clearly you're virtue signaling the security of your life (privilege) and scope of your reasoning by having that attitude

[Anonymous No.17018338]

Leftists don't understand economics.

I don't blame them though, we unfortunately live in an era of central banking which is stagnating everyone's living standards.

[Anonymous No.17018347]

>>17018143
It's not to increase consumption. I desire to homestead and become as independent from consumerism as possible. My motive is entirely to escape poverty and suffering induced by not owning a home, being able to afford healthcare and so on. You make a good point. But I'd argue that the thing holding together the Mondragon Corporation is not coercion but mutual aid. People do better working and pooling resources cooperatively and that incentivizes them to stay together. I got lucky having a meager sum at all to invest, most people in poverty never get that opportunity.

You say that I freely participate without coercion but as explained in this thread multiple times my only option without capital is to be a wageslave. My luck in catching a very small amount of what economic mobility exists does not justify this socioeconomic system. Capitalism is not a system of free participation. It is a system of "freedom" of contract, and without wealth there is no freedom as that freedom is predicated on domination of others which requires capital to benefit from. I addressed the violence argument too, read the comment thread again. All political action is predicated on violence. The current system uses violence to enforce property relations, violence to overturn this is justified. The kings got on just fine after the end of fuedalism and the capitalists will get on just fine after the end of capitalism. As in, they will still be human, and the world will have a place for humans. Any cultural force strong enough to overturn capitalism will overcome whatever fragility concerns it. I'm getting tired though, good bants anon.

[Anonymous No.17018348]

>>17017118
See
>>17018338

[Anonymous No.17018356]

>>17017738
Dumb commies don't understand the beneficial role of the capitalist.

[Anonymous No.17018362]

>>17018338
read the thread and understand things that have already been addressed before speaking from your anus

[Anonymous No.17018374]

>>17018348
>>17018356
read retard read

[Anonymous No.17018381]

Love how commies constantly showcase their retardation so everyone knows to stray away from that mindset

[Anonymous No.17018421]

>>17018338
that picture is retarded because clearly the bosses boss of the foreman with the hardhat who owns the company makes the deal, meaning the people who actually do the work are still exploited majorly, being exposed to the harsh conditions of construction and labor on their bodies for a measly cut, all the while mostly being contracted employees with no benefits. big yikes if you think that reality is as simple as that picture. the investors don't lay out plans or do much of anything besides saying yes or no to what the actual workers produce. it's the workers that are hired that do any of the actual work. the problem is that it's not that it's hard for an intelligent man to make it in most societies, it's that the basic needs of the people aren't met all over as a whole and they are constantly at odds with maintaining even their own physical and mental well being. clearly, you are a selfish person though, that doesn't need to be elaborated on

[Anonymous No.17018439]

>>17018362
>>17018374

Literally none of this refutes anything I wrote you dumb commie bootlicker.
Please kill yourself

>>17018421
>measly cut
How is VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING a measly cut you fucking idiot.
Commie brainlets confusing money for resources again.
Every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.17018452]

The rich are rich because the poors give
them money
“Elite” means “the chosen”

[Anonymous No.17018464]

>>17018421
>>17018338
this is coming from someone who worked directly in this business, from the beginning to the end of a large investment company you'd know the name of hiring a contractor, hiring management agency to run the business, building and selling the business/building and turning profits of millions without doing a single thing beyond being there for the ribbon cutting and paying someone to put fire under the asses of the slaves they hired. you're a clown who sees a king in the mirror, sitting only an inch above who is around you

[Anonymous No.17018493]

>>17018439
someone's fuming. Maybe if you read the thread and took the time to understand the comment chain your brain cells would rub together enough to overpower your amygdala

[Anonymous No.17018503]

>>17018439
you're mentally ill, you can't seem to type anything coherent that goes above glorifying your autism

[Anonymous No.17018612]

>>17018503
>>17018493
>>17018464
Absolutely none of this was a refutation to my original image lmao
You people are STILL confusing money for resources.
The working class consumes virtually all of the end product of production.
The money each class gets doesn't matter.
If you took all of the money from the capitalists and spent it, it would simply raise prices and nobody would be better off.
I mean holy fuck.
Let's watch as you totally ignore my point again.

[Anonymous No.17018683]

>>17018612
yes, clearly the mega rich live like paupers. they dont spend any of their wealth, if they did, it'd crash the economy. ahh, these exchanges, numbers, accounts, they're all for show! none of these large numbers matter, it's not worth anything, money is not a resource! haha! the working class consumes virtually all of the end product of production because the working class is the largest group of people dumb fuck, what still doesn't compute about what i said? imagine that the production of the working class itself is to entrapping the working class. still missing the point? what a concept. you say we're missing the point, that what we say doesn't address what you say, but you don't even say what we've addressed and why it is wrong. let's watch as you totally ignore everything but your own inner retarded frequency

[Anonymous No.17018707]

>>17016583
> redistribution
fucking nazi

[Anonymous No.17018708]

>>17016583

underrated post

[Anonymous No.17018800]

>>17018362
interesting read.

[Anonymous No.17018807]

>>17018683
Another retarded non argument
The amount of money the rich spend on personal goods is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount the workers get.

Dumb dumb

Stop being a communist lmao

[Anonymous No.17018835]

>>17018362
>>17018800
It's not an interesting read, its just more commie bootlicking cope.
These same people support central banks and state monopolization.
They support their own enslavement.
Communists need helicopter rides.

[Anonymous No.17018868]

>>17018807
in no way was it implied that the wealth of the elite would be spent all at once. this was your implication. all you are doing is assuming that personal goods was what i was referring to. you're saying that the mass of people consume the great plenty result, but even as the capitalists live lavishly they don't consume a fraction of this result. you fail to see that the capitalists consume a greater amount of something than the workers do even in their size. they create the chain and cycle of suffering. they are consuming the producers, the workers, their very lives. their entire essence, converting it into dollars. but this of course is not something you'd recognize, as you've given up to sympathize with evil. imagine that nothing of our system changes besides the benevolence of the wealthy, the action to take that wealth and turn it into the betterment of people. it's not communism. you're obsessed with communists, as cringy as people who call themselves communists unironically.

[Anonymous No.17018902]

>>17018835
It does make sense that conspiracy theories is the backlash against some "not clearly defined" mechanism that is responsible for the "wrongness" in society.
It is kind of how our mind work, with cause and effect logic. If the cause is to complex and incomprehensible, then the effect doesn't disappear, you still need to find a cause or at least the broad strokes of the cause.
Insertion of a malicious presence not only remove the mechanical aspect of the causation - as it is now a consciousness that are behind, it also makes it easier to understand, even all the unknowns can be explained by "scheming humans".

[Anonymous No.17018963]

>>17018807
Damn you’re a special kind of retard

[Anonymous No.17018976]

>>17016505
Because its a power cycle, you cant have one without the other . The salve does not dream of freedom but the slave dreams to be the slave master so that one day he may enact all those horrors and demands on other people. Very much like the poor and the rich, the poor want to be rich one day so they can do what they want . If you get rid of the rich dynamic, the actual power hierarchy it destroys the whole structure. We are manipulated to hate each other because it drives the system of the economy, we strive to get wealthy so that we may one day have POWER.

[Anonymous No.17018983]

>>17018976
Sorta the reason why poor college students are in the majority of the socialism camp. They do not wish to have equal rights for all they simply wish to have more than what they have for themselves.

[Anonymous No.17018996]

They're the ones in power and have the ability to make progress or not. Dumb OP

[Anonymous No.17019318]

>>17018868
It doesn't matter if it's spent all at once.
The moment even a penny of it gets spent period, living standards for the working class does not increase and prices rise

>you fail to see that the capitalists consume a greater amount of something than the workers do even in their size
Lmao but I do see that, I know know its irrelevant because there is so few of them

Please kill yourself you dumb commie

>>17018963
No argument from the economic illiterate child

>>17018902
Leftists focus their hatred at the wrong group
They are brainwashed
Kill yourself central bank apologist

[Anonymous No.17020217]

I just think it's unfair that some people know what they want in life, they go to uni->bachelors->masters->setForLife(). They like what they do so it's not hard.

As compared to me never know what i want, always dislike and dissatisfied with everything, end up cheap low end laborer in which i hate life and everything that includes it(people who are successful). I think it's natural.
If you can't make it and see all the successful people around you - so what - you just go with - ech, that life ?! Well thats life, but it's shit, i'm resentful, and i hate people. How i'm not suppose to ? They'r better than me in every way, they got to screw around with the pretty ladies while i'm sitting alone every evening pontering why i'm so nobody, my entire life. I'm just the bottom of the barrel, in competitive society there will always be losers, so what, just be go with it ? well fuck that.
I'm feel happy when mass shootings happens. This is just an expression of how fucked up of a person i'm and my life is. You hate me for it ? well you fucked me over if i was standing in your way anyways so what do i care if you hate me if you will hate me anyways ?

In short: There are people who got everything, and there are people who got nothing. Fuck life and everyone in it.

[Anonymous No.17020376]

>>17017956
In due fairness if you have no way of succeeding in life then your only chance is having kids and hoping some of your progeny make it.

[Anonymous No.17020385]

>>17016505
Is that Elliot Rodgers?

[Anonymous No.17020413]

>>17016505
Because its the fault of the rich. There is no compelling practical reason why anyone on the planet should live in poverty conditions, let alone the massive percentage that currently do.

[Anonymous No.17020446]

>>17017738
Fantastic pic

[Anonymous No.17020491]

>>17016741
I don’t want it because I think taxes are evil

[Anonymous No.17020506]

>>17016819
>be poor
>make terrible decisions
>have kid
>don’t get rich
Oh my god the system is broken

[Anonymous No.17020869]

>>17016505
Poor people are poor because they lack the ability to take responsibility for their own lives, and so blaming outside forces for their squalor comes naturally to them. It makes perfect sense for them, and in a way they are right, just not how they believe. They are correct in that they are not wealthy because no one gives them wealth, since handouts would be the only way they could acquire it. However, it isn't really some conspiracy or malintent among the wealthy to destroy poor people. Plebs do that on their own.

[Anonymous No.17020976]

>>17020413
What you call "poverty conditions" are actually just the default economic state for certain phenotypical biomass when introduced to particular stimuli. Is it your responsibility to uplift rats from the sewer and offer them greater living conditions? No. You wouldn't want to, and rats thrive in the sewer anyway.

[kihohuim No.17021006]

>>17020869
jews robbed america. notice all the jews get the red carpet on wall street even when they are total losers and never made a penny profit. there was an economic coup in 2008 and we are living in the post coup jewamerica. the military failed, the government failed and now jews are gorging at the trough while their victims suffer. war war war war war war war war war war war war, the jews must be punished

[Anonymous No.17021021]

>>17016583
>Good mechanisms are not in place to ensure that this money is being redistributed from the rich/educated/smart to the poor/uneducated/dumb.
Why is this desirable?

[Anonymous No.17021026]

>>17016505
Stop conflating small to medium sized businesses with the corrupt as fuck big business / government complex that is absolutely oppressing people.

[Anonymous No.17021037]

>>17020976
Yes, you have autism. We get it. Nobody wants to hear your political opinions until you heal the autism though.

[Anonymous No.17021057]

In many ways the top 5% to 10% of America control wages. They can choose what levels of society get what incomes. Currently they are keeping the bottom 1/3 of working Americans at poverty level wages. And that is wrong. Imagine wanting a summer home mansion more than wanting a basic good life for working people in your country. That is the mentality that is crushing this country.

[Anonymous No.17021102]

>>17021057
This. There really is no such thing as "capitalism" or "communism" or anything else. The only possible system is roughly 10% of people controlling everyone else. We need to make this ruling class (which will always exist no matter what) distribute the wealth of the nation to more people. That's it. Period.

And no, there is no "meritocracy". The vast majority of people in this 10% are there because of nepotism and corruption.

[Anonymous No.17021179]

>>17021057
If you look at how hyped the concept of the Population Bomb was in the '70s onwards, you might begin to suspect that there is some intent among the global elite to cull the poor by simply not giving them enough to survive on. Adam Smith said that if you do not pay your workers enough to raise a family, they will be your last generation of workers.

I respect a welfare mommy more than someone who willingly snuffs their ancient bloodline for the sake of the impermanent modern economic systems.

>>17020976
That there is a narcissistic racist. I wonder how well your nature would do if your nurture was the most brutal we have to offer.

[Anonymous No.17021222]

>>17016852
Astute post that other comments are doing mental gymnastics to try and get around

[Anonymous No.17021274]

>>17021222
>hurr durr it's that poor people have bad culture durrrrr
>laws and policies that disproportionately hurt poor people and benefit well connected wealthy people? What are those???

[Anonymous No.17021607]

>>17021021
survival of democracy
can't have democracy without a middle class

[Anonymous No.17021619]

>>17021102
And this anon. Is why I am buying UND. A new, unified, beautiful future awaits us.

[Anonymous No.17021625]

>>17016505
Jews parasite off the majority. When they are exiled everyone enjoys a significant increase in quality of life. Not just by having more stuff but spiritually as well

[Anonymous No.17021629]

>>17021021
Imagine you were born poor.
It would be extremely desirable.
You can't base your viewpoints off of how they affect you in particular, you could just as easily have been born as someone else.

[Anonymous No.17021699]

>>17016505
I wouldn't blame the rich, aside from cases where they lobby for their own survival at the expense of everyone else.
For example, TurboTax, which lobbies against free online tax filing.
Corporate money ruins politics.
Besides those cases, it is as the other anon mentioned, a systemic problem rather than a human one.

[Anonymous No.17021700]

>>17021026
>>17021037
Go back.

[Anonymous No.17021711]

I wouldn't blame the rich, aside from cases where they lobby for their own survival at the expense of everyone else.
For example, TurboTax, which lobbies against free online tax filing. But even then, the responsibility is diffused since it is a large corporation.
Corporate money ruins politics.
Besides those cases, it is as the other anon mentioned, a systemic problem rather than a human one.

[Anonymous No.17021734]

>>17018707
>Hurr let's keep letting Jeff Bezos accumulate more money as he replaces all the jobs in middle America with literal robots
>That will surely not lead to lots of people stacking up at zero and turning to opiates or violent upheaval!
>Let's also keep letting the fed inflate asset prices (most often held by boomers) so your destiny in life becomes increasingly determined by your initial circumstances unless you were born with an above average IQ and a high degree of trait conscientiousness
Unamerican shithead

[Anonymous No.17021781]

>>17017738
anarcho feudalism sounds like a pretty good system, I really think it could work.

[Anonymous No.17021782]

>>17021179
History is filled with bloody and brutal pleb revolutions, and yet what keeps happening to the "wealth gap" or whatever buzz term modern povs use to whine about natural social hierarchy. It never fails to assert itself.

[Anonymous No.17021830]

>>17021021
Nobody's touching my money. Get your own, poorcucks.

[Anonymous No.17021959]

>>17021179
>That there is a narcissistic racist. I wonder how well your nature would do if your nurture was the most brutal we have to offer.
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.17021996]

Just chop down some trees and build a house
Then after that grab a cow and chainsaw him into bloody bits of meat
Congratulations you are now successful

[Anonymous No.17022161]

>>17016583
Based

[Anonymous No.17022186]

>>17016819
>>17017010
>>17017118
>>17017192
Why tf are you retarded communists faggots on /biz/? Fuck off back to plebbit where you belong

[Anonymous No.17022450]

>>17021102

> We need to make this ruling class (which will always exist no matter what) distribute the wealth of the nation to more people. That's it. Period.

You might be able to make them give up some concessions. That will take massive protests and riots and a lot of us dying. And then, with the system still in place and themselves the master class and the rest of us the slaves, they will slowly roll back those concessions. This is how it's historically gone and it's just getting worse and worse. At some point you have to consider guillotines.

[Anonymous No.17022537]

>>17016505
by lobbying, creating barriers to entry, licensing, regulation, intentional inefficiency, manipulating cultural values, etc that prevents them from the need to compete with small businesses.

[Anonymous No.17022548]

>>17017956
also stopped reading, but because single mothers don't have human dignity and thus aren't worth considering

[Anonymous No.17022783]

>>17018069
>I am tired of living in relative poverty

Why is every commie a retarded loser that can't figure out how to make money? How about instead of crying and whining about how "The System" treats your candy ass unfairly, you get your shit together. Like stop being a poor little bitch

[Anonymous No.17023266]

>>17016583
Okay post, from a moral point of view. However, machines don't create value.

[Anonymous No.17023297]

>>17017269
That's your brain on private property of the means of production.
It's the workers who creates the workers wages. Whatever.

[Anonymous No.17023336]

>>17016505
they need someone to blame for their stupidity

[Anonymous No.17023390]

>>17017738
love it

[Anonymous No.17023481]

>>17021274
Do you know any poor people? They blow paychecks on lottery tickets and can't save money to save their lives

[Anonymous No.17023523]

>>17023336
The thing about this image is with new cars is most people don't even buy them full in cash and the ones that do are stupid. 90% of americans by cars with debt. They probably don't even have 5000$ to invest let alone 60,000$ saved up in stock or gold.

[Anonymous No.17023553]

>>17016741
>He thinks the playing field can be leveled.
You redditeur postmodernists are so cute. Stay poor and salty.

[Anonymous No.17023581]

>>17016505
It’s you and two others.
Say your business makes 100k
You spend 20k on expenses like advertising and bills. You have 80k left.
You need to pay both a wage, though what isn’t specified. So you give the fag at the front desk 5k since he does fuck all and you give the monkeyboy 10k. 65k.
Now you have taxes to factor so let’s say it’s 15% of your total earnings, so 15k gets lobbed off and you have a remaining 50k. You need some for the company so you leave another 15k for a safety net. You now have your cut. 35k. That isn’t the end though because someone was nice enough to drop by and donate to your business. They aren’t by any means someone small time but they’re not someone making millions by the hour, so they donate 20k to your business. You decide that it’s nearing a holiday so you pocket the 20k and you leave a few hundred dollars to throw a pizza party. That leaves you around 55k. Your workers however don’t know you got that donation but they know you’re a sack of shit and pocketed the money for yourself. Seeing as neither can survive on the wage you gave them, they ask you for more shifts for a few more dollars over the holiday. You pay them the miniscule overtime that both rack up on top of the holiday bonus. That costs you ~350 per person. So you’re down to about 54k. They end up having to pick up a second job to make ends meet and end up going to work back to back.
You on the otherhand pocket the money left over and live in comfort on your regularly scheduled annual vacation and the situation repeats itself.

[Anonymous No.17023584]

>>17016505
Cantillon Effect:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5xl1AEeQs

[Anonymous No.17023624]

>>17023523
Wrong, middle class fag. Smart rich people buy new cars all the time in all cash deals. They buy a good car and then take good care of the car for 15 years to minimize depreciation. At the end of the day they pay a third of what most loanfags pay for roughly the same driving experience and none of their precious capital goes to schlomo.

[Anonymous No.17024085]

>>17016583
>Good mechanisms are not in place to ensure that this money is being redistributed from the rich/educated/smart to the poor/uneducated/dumb.
Because that wouldn’t be a “good mechanism,” it would be a bad mechanism.

[Anonymous No.17024131]

>>17017118
>The bossman who did nothing but provide upfront capital and "managerial services" that a co-op could account for
So why don’t they do it if they could so easily just do it? Your own argument shows how retarded your whole idea is and your stupid comic doesn’t make any sense. People are literally free to engage in trading for things they value more than what they are giving up. Both parties engaged are free to do so, and the workers are free to work for the proposed amount of payment or not, and if they can so easily make a co-op, they are free to do so, but they choose not to. When the government subsidizes businesses, that’s not capitalism anymore, so saying “I can’t be a farmer because of the capitalist system,” is also retarded because government subsidies are against capitalism. You actually don’t need any government at all for a capitalistic exchange to occur, but that is not at all an argument by me to be an anarchist or some retarded crap like that.