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I understand perhaps not the best place to ask this as everyone here makes 6 figs either as some desk jockey or some tradie, but sometimes there are decent anons out there.

>Fell for the STEM meme, and can barely find a job that pay between 40-50k and the jobs are extremely competitive.
>Fell for the 'learn to code meme' and get blown out because no CS degree. So the last meme I can fall for is the trades.

On biz people say tradies make 100K+ a year and that doesnt seem right to me. My dad was a union electrician and excluding over-time was making 30$/hr and often was laid off.

So biz,any ACTUAL advice about if the trades are any good to get into? (Or coding for that matter, but lack of degree seems my undoing)

>> No.16946301

>>16946252
i make 250k/yr being a chef at wendy's. make of that what you will.

>> No.16946337
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>he's not making atleast 6 figs swinging imaginary internet meme tokens

>> No.16946355

>>16946301
why does the food taste like shit? do your fucking job

>> No.16946361

>>16946252
You haven’t got a job in stem or coding? What’s wrong with your resume and applications?

>> No.16946362

>>16946301
fast food has chefs? kek. I thought they just heat up frozen shit delivered from vans?

>> No.16946368

>>16946252
Lineman make 50/hr

Lmgtfy.com

>> No.16946371

>>16946252
you can make 6 figures working the trades, but certainly not right out of the gate. plumbing or electrical seem like the best options imo. you grind for a number of years, building your skills and reputation, then start taking on apprentices that you can send out to work for you at a discounted rate for. the more people you have working for you the more money you'll make obviously, so eventually your job becomes managing people.

you won't make 6 figures right out of the gate following the stem meme either. (unless you're in SV or something, but $100k in SV is garbage money.)
it takes a number of years to work your way up no matter what path you take.

>> No.16946388

Go be a naval longshoreman if you're near a port, it's stupid money If you don't mind getting dunked on by union niggas

>> No.16946398

>>16946252
I just started a trade job. Make 100 a day, which is like 14 bucks an hour which is enough to do okay in my country.My body hurts after the first few months but i reckon i'll eventually get used to it. I feel stronger than ever before and I don't stay up to 3 AM every day anymore.. Job is actually pretty fun and it's got a lot of danger in it so it keeps you on your toes. I'm just a labour worker now. not apprenticing or anything like that. If you just look at it as good money and free gym it's great.

>> No.16946409

>>16946371
>taking on apprentices that you can send out to work for you
You can do without being a tradesman it's called being an entrepreneurs

>> No.16946438

I found a union "operating engineer" job where all I had to do was write down some numbers a few times a day and was making 75k. It's not about finding a union or non-union job, it's about acquiring a special skill that lets you get a position with no serious daily responsibility. The trick to working is to not work.

>> No.16946454

>>16946252
If you know how to code, go into cyber security and profit

>> No.16946463

>>16946438
What was your background that assisted you getting this job?

>> No.16946464

>>16946409
how the fuck are you going to take on apprentices if you aren't a master craftsman yourself? that's not how the trades work. plumbers are required to apprentice of X amount of time under a certified master plumber. same with electricians. you can't just bullshit entrepreneur your way into this situation, you actually have to bring something to the table.

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>>16946361
No, stem is absolute shit. Bio,chem, environmental etc barely any jobs and dont make much. You can look online and see there isnt much.

Coding- literally 90% of coding jobs want a secret clearance and or computer science degree.

>>16946371
Cant get coding jobs with degree/clearance

>>16946398
What country? That is my rate around usa.

>>16946454
I know how to program, I know nothing about security though.

>> No.16946667

>>16946568
>90% of coding jobs want a secret clearance
???

>> No.16946960

>>16946667
if you only apply to defenses contractors and cybersec companies, this is true

>> No.16947042

>>16946252
They’re in a bubble just like everything else. Easiest way to get decent money at the moment, (without being a minority), hence the popularity

>> No.16947062

>>16946301
>I own a wendy's and have to fill in for the chef because we caught Deshawn smoking pot a 3rd time out back

>> No.16947184

>>16947042
What trades?

I honestly feel like coding is a bubble right now that I was just trying to cash in on.

>> No.16947463

>>16946568
> CS degree and secret clearance

wad de fugg are you talking about?

>> No.16947481

>>16947463
Look up software engineer jobs - almost all want a cs degree or clearance

>> No.16947495

>>16946464
>hire master plumber to train apprentices
Seething tradey

>> No.16947507

>>16946252
What stem job degree did you get? Bio or plain chem don't count, the BLS data is clear on prospects for those degrees so you only have yourself to blame for falling for the "stem meme."

I get calls for coding jobs like every other day even though I can only code in matlab. I have a non cs stem degree and pay 45-60/hr. I also live in a trash area in the US.

>> No.16947517

>>16946301
9 inch 10inch?

>> No.16947639

>>16946252
My dad is a cabinetmaker and made 210K last year.

>> No.16947655

>>16947639
Just want to add, he's been in the trades for 30+ years, so this is peak career earnings with his own small business.

>> No.16947667

>>16946252
You don't make money in the trades by wagecucking. You need your own small business where you are directly dealing with clients.

>> No.16947731

It's not a meme they make good money but mostly only in big cities or oil/gas boomtowns. You aren't going to make a lot of money as an electrician somewhere like bumblefuck Pennsylvania. In NYC most tradies pull in $100k with overtime. Now $100k doesn't go particularly far in NYC but it's definitely above average.

>> No.16947750

>>16947481
You're not supposed to listen to the application, anon. If you're trying to get into CS without a degree then you get creative.

>> No.16947895

Ups driver here. Made 99k last year. About 45 hours a week. Free health care, pension, and I’m up to 5 weeks paid vacation a year.

I believe starting pay for a ups driver is currently around 28hr. Top out currently is around 38hr.

>> No.16947944

>>16947895
can confirm, worked for fedex and UPS is the better way to go.

Also, any labor is great because you are building skills.
Skills eventually lead to more opportunity.
if you know how to code even if only a few things, that could be a side hustle to bring in some extra cash.

also, if you code, look into up and coming crypto projects and see where you can contribute. maybe teams will pay you in the token (convert it to btc) to do some coding or even create your own dapps or what ever.

>> No.16947969

>>16946252
Get into union based construction it's solid. If you become a elevator technician you'd make atleast 95k starting but you have to be kinda near a big city and not afraid of heights.

>> No.16947997

>>16946252
Pipefitter here and I make $100K/yr easily ($49.60/hr). Lots of overtime jobs out there to boot. Gotta put up with layoffs and hustling for the next job a bit though.

>> No.16948003

Union carpenter here in the bay area. I'm the foreman for our crew and make $59 an hour. With occasional overtime i make just shy of $100k a year. Best way to get into the trades is by knowing someone already in the trades. The work is hard, we usually start at 5am, but it's a good way for a non college graduate to make decent money. My 18 year old cousin just joined my company, and is making $1000 a week right out of highschool

>> No.16948018

>>16947184
Electrical is by far the chillest of the trades. Sometimes it sucks but most of my days I do chill work and listen to books or podcasts. I’m 2 years in and make 20+ an hour on track to be making $50+ in another 2 years. I’m really comfy and schooling is pretty chill if you’re not retarded.

>> No.16948359

>>16947895
Do you need a cdl or anything specific?
Are the guys that deliver packages the same as the truckers?

>> No.16948374

>>16948018
Are you in the IBEW? Is it actually chill? I was put off by it thinking theyd be yelling at you to 'hurry the fuck up!" and all that. Also the IBEW here wanted some like pre-apprenticeship where it was legit minimum wage.

>> No.16948399

>>16946252

I won't work trades because I'm not willing to blow my back out at 45 doing something I don't want to just to make relatively shit pay. no thanks. If i;'m going to ruin my body it will be doing something I want to do not installing someone elses shit fuck the world.

>> No.16948549

>>16948374
Yeah I’m IBEW. In response to a boomer yelling at you, that shit will happen. It will most likely happen in every field. But that’s something you can deal with temporarily if you focus on the main goal. And when you get more skilled that shit will happen way less. Basically fuck those guys for taking there job way too seriously. On the other note, you may have to start as a pre apprentice if you don’t get into the apprenticeship right away, it’s bullshit but getting your foot in the door somewhere will mean they will take you on as soon as you get accepted. It’s well worth it man I have 3 pensions a 401k, annuity, a vacation fund, unlimited days off as long as I request them, healthcare and benefits. All that good shit. Not like it will be a cake walk but like I said, the end is worth it man. Plus you can branch off and basically be an entrepreneur when you become a journeyman.

>> No.16948557

>>16947495
if you don't already have a reputation and dominate the trade in your area, nobody is going to (take a cut to) work for you....cause you won't have any work for them.

>> No.16948606

>>16947507
why not chem? im an undergrad in chemistry and so far the people told us there there are good jobs.

>> No.16948684

>>16946252
I wouldn't say trades are good in the sense that going to school for a trade is a good idea, but if you work as labour for a contractor for a year or two and decide you like the work then buying a van and some tools is pretty much a risk free investment. I worked for a guy who made 6 figures running a roofing crew of 4 guys, has a maths degree so he's intelligent enough to do all his own budgeting and quoting to the nickel though.

>> No.16948741

>>16948606
It depends what you want to do and how much you expect to make. 90% of the chem grads I know are in their grad programs or med school.

You'll make somewhere like 50 to 60k I believe with the bachelors degree but its not like unemployment is non existent (cs and engineering are at less than 1% unemployment currently).

>> No.16948757

>>16948741
i wanna do phd anyways

>> No.16948949

>>16948549
So a couple questions, my dad was an ibew electrician. The work was very, very boom or bust, sometimes hed be working 7 days a week, others was off for months on end.

Here (colorado area) the starting is only like 12 an hour which blow serious dick.

>> No.16949033

>>16948949
That does blow dick my friend. But if your dad is an electrician I have to ask, do you have ANY experience working with it? Or can he help you get into a shop? If you have a lil exp, or know somebody, you could try to go for a higher pay, or what we call a CW2, which was like $15 an hour. As for boom or bust. Yes that can happen, but since you’re on biz I’m guessing you’ve put at least a little bit into crypto, you hopefully know how to save and invest, and that’s what I at least plan to fall back on if I’m ever sitting. I personally know plenty of electricians that are very financially stable even when they aren’t working because they invested wisely. You can do it too anon. Plus I don’t think this field is being automated anytime soon so that’s a positive as well.

>> No.16949672

>>16948557
>no one ever starts a business in an industry without 45 years experience in that industry
My toilet is running tradey

>> No.16949763

>>16948741
>You'll make somewhere like 50 to 60k I believe with the bachelors degree
wtf????????

>> No.16949789

>>16946301
fpwp

well done

>> No.16949948

>>16946252
I work for an accrediting agency and visit all sorts of trade schools, audit their graduate employment records etc. There is legitimate opportunity there if you're willing to do the work. One factor to consider in all of the following examples is that people who own/operate their own trade business tend to make a lot more than someone waging for an established business. Some hot fields include truck driving (serious shortage and no this job is not going away any time in the next 10 years due to self driving trucks - it will augment but not replace the need for drivers. 6 week Class A CDL certification can easily start you at $70k+ and if you pursue additional specializations in hazmat etc you'll make well over $100k), HVAC/R (focus on heating if you live up north, or AC if down south), Electrical Maintenance/Repair Technician, and Welding (any commercial welding is solid but if you do scuba welding you'll likely make over $200k). As another anon mentioned, Electrical or Telecom linemen can make bank although the job has a higher safety risk component. For medical trades the most lucrative ones I'm aware of at the 2-year study level are Dental Hygienist and Ultrasound/ Cardiovascular Technician.

>> No.16949989

>>16949033
Is cw2 2nd year apprentice? The program here is 5 years long I think.

>> No.16950112

>>16946301
more like $250 a year

>> No.16950159

The money is there, but it takes a while to skill up to better pay and there will be times where you make a lot of money and times when you're fucking broke and living off of what you made when it was booming.

t. guy who needs to practice his locksmithing more

>> No.16950541

>>16950159
In the long run how does it compare to wage cucking?

>> No.16950705

>>16950541

It is wage cucking, more or less, but with higher wages and the feast and famine element of small business. My uncle is a carpenter and so was my grandpa. You CAN make a fortune in business on your own at a trade, but it can be very cut throat. When my uncle was breaking into building with his own crew there were six big crews in the area that would deliberately take turns underbidding him to keep him from getting a foot in the market in order to protect their share of the market.

That's how it goes man.