/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.16882106]

Please tell me shes gonna pop

[Anonymous No.16882127]

>>16882106
She has to, If not this will be the first time in history which is unlikely. Fools who think the good times never end are the ones to fall the hardest. Now is the time to sell.

[Anonymous No.16882143]

>>16882106
i'm beginning to think we're just going to be green forever, fuck my life for selling last friday

[Anonymous No.16882155]

>>16882106
>he’s not a permabull

[Anonymous No.16882157]

>>16882106
It's so obvious this shit is artificial as fuck and will crash. Anyone with 1/4 of a brain can see this because the quality in everything has dropped so low. The only thing is it's strike 3 so it's all or nothing now. But realistically, there is no way this will continue through 2024, and is probably more likely to shit in 2021-2022, pending on how far they can move the goal posts without anyone noticing. Common sense MUST prevail.

[Anonymous No.16882160]

>dow

[Anonymous No.16882183]

>>16882157
if you didn't know warren buffet pulled out a lot of money lately. What the rich people do is wait until the market crashes and buys up all the real estate. They don't know when it will happen, no one does all they know is that it will happen whether it takes a year, two years or three. The people who think the stock market will go up forever have will never learn from history until they take a big loss. It will crash, It might just take longer than we think. That is literally how the stock market works, otherwise it cannot exist.

[Anonymous No.16882192]

>>16882157
A wiser man than I once said that the market can remain irrational longer than he could remain solvent. That man was Jayden Smith

[Anonymous No.16882266]

>>16882183
And a key fact here are is the stock market isn't the only thing that so incredibly overvalued. It's everything else too! When it does crash, it will lead to systematic implosion. Any kind of control of this is out of the question, and has been for over a decade. And yes I know Buffett is stockpiling cash, but he still has faith in the dollar which could very well be on the chopping block too in the middle of these series of events. Fucking boomer is also completely out of touch with the regular humans that prop up the market that he's investing in and might get just'd hard like millions of other boomers that most likely will.

[Anonymous No.16882268]

>>16882127
with the yield curve inverting months ago and the parabolic euphoria coming in now, we're logically on track to crash sometime this year or at the latest next
but i think it will still go up to 33k before that, we're really going parabolic and delusional before the big bang

[Anonymous No.16882273]

>>16882160
Misspelled your moms name there ill fix it for you
>cow

[Anonymous No.16882275]

America 2.0 baby. We are on the cusp of the biggest bull market since the roaring 20's. There's no stopping this train.

[Anonymous No.16882308]

>>16882268

[Anonymous No.16882339]

>>16882275
>America 2.0 baby. We are on the cusp of the biggest bull market since the roaring 20's. There's no stopping this train.
What does your portfolio look liek?

[Anonymous No.16882360]

>>16882106
>fed doing trillion dollar repo buys
>printing money non stop
>over 6% yearly dollar inflation
>Trump publicly advocating for 0% fed rate and QE4 to keep up with China
You don't actually think any market is going to get cheaper, do you?

[Anonymous No.16882380]

>>16882266
Checked also yes, I was mentioning buffet because even he knows it's going to crash. I am sure he is well aware of crypto and has at least millions. Even if he supposedly thinks it is a big scam he wouldn't miss out because to him 1 million invested in something is a small price to pay for a billionaire even if he loses all of it, He stands to make 1000x his money so he is completely lying about not owning crypto or being invested in it. Fucking hate that lying rat, but that's how he got his money by manipulating the markets.

>>16882268
It could take 4-5 years at the longest in my speculation. If you look at my picture of the recessions. from 1922-1932, That's 10 years and then the great depression hit. We've been recovering from the 08 recession since 2010, Now it's 2020 and we are hitting the 10 year mark. We are very near to the time frame that is identical of black Tuesday and then the great depression. My guess is a full on crash in late 2020 and then 2021 a second great depression.

[Anonymous No.16882398]

>>16882192
wow i didn't know will smiths son was an investor. but i guess that makes sense his dad being rich and famous and all.

[Anonymous No.16882412]

>>16882183
Selling right now is retarded, if you listened to all the doomposters you would have missed 60-80% easy gains over 2 years.

[Anonymous No.16882429]

People are in a weird euphoria for sure. But stocks aren't actually that high, they just rebounded from the crash in late 2018. The average gains for the last 4 years are about the same as the last decade. And economic numbers if anything are worse with earning per share declining despite stock buybacks, and other economic indicators are worse. So stocks are only overvalued because of worsening fundamentals. Except for large cap and big tech in particular which does look like its in a bubble. Some of those tech stocks could be cut in half and still look expensive.

But then again stocks right not are all about money flow since they have almost no competition as an investment. Lower risk assets that give higher returns than inflation don't exist right now. Fed is pumping billions by the day. Money supply is pumped up and people have nothing else to buy. Its more a question of when inflation occurs, then the party is over as rates will have ro rise and money flows out of stocks from competition of other investments.

[Anonymous No.16882818]

>>16882308
This shit is going to implode, and it’s gonna happen sooner than most are expecting

[Anonymous No.16882843]

>>16882360
This, I really don't understand how anyone comes to the conclusion that this is going to "crash."

It's a worse scenario where asset prices just keep rising and getting more and more blown out. We talk about Japan but the average PE was 95 when they collapsed which I imagine is where we are headed.

[Anonymous No.16882943]

>>16882106
she did.
do you not remember the 30% drop a year ago?
kek. retard

[Anonymous No.16882985]

>>16882106

STOCK NO GO DOWN. ONLY UP.

[Anonymous No.16883000]

>>16882106
yeah it'll pop, but not when your retarded ass is expecting it LMAO

[Anonymous No.16883052]

>>16882843
Japanese people also saved over 40% of everything they made, plus don't forget the purchasing power they had back then. Americans have debt, and when prices rise higher and people have debts, they have to make sacrifices. They have been sacrificing everything thier entire lives. People are just gonna stop working and join socialism, others are gonna get laid off. Either way there won't be much of a work force. You're right, rising prices with stagnant wages, (stagflation), is even worse than a crash. So if they pump everything to keep the party going stagflation will eventually lead to unrest because people will be out of options and won't take on any more sacrifices. If they let it crash, it will lead to a system reset and eventually recovery, (that will require massive gov overhaul), and everything that stands as-is will be BTFO regardless. So I can see people chimping out when they can't get whipped cream on thier gay coffee latte, and I can also see people chimping out when they have niggers as thier neighbors. Either way it goes there's going to be a chimpout.

[Anonymous No.16883238]

it has to pop, but no one wants to leave when it keep rising. the minute a downturn happens, everyone is gonna panic and bail out.

[Anonymous No.16883334]

>>16882275
I honestly think a bear would kill a bull in a fight. Depressingly so.

[Anonymous No.16883405]

>>16883334
one bull charge straight to the skull of a bear would kill it instantly

[Anonymous No.16883422]

>>16882412
That's risk vs reward, Yea you could have made a profit but the fact is while you have momentary success that will not continue. You are waging your money and risking the fact that your stock will be safe another year. If you want to take that risk go ahead, But someone eventually has to take the fall. I've made enough profit with link that I've bought gold and silver with. It's undeniable that we are close, Always your call to make but one day it could be the wrong one. Remember it can take sometimes 3 days to cash out your stocks if have any, Do YOU have the foresight to see a recession coming within 3 days when it could happen any day. It's a gamble.

[Anonymous No.16883424]

>>16882183
It crashed in Dec 2018.

Warren Buffet hasn’t pulled out, he just hasn’t been to be able to find deals for him that he considers worthy, so his cash has just been piling up. He doesn’t just buy stocks, he buys huge portions of multi billion dollar companies or he just outright buys companies. His investment opportunities are sooooo much more limited than other people so it really doesn’t mean that much that he is sitting on a lot of cash.

The correct method is to hold 10-15% of your net worth in cash. Any more and you are missing out on the biggest bull run in history.

[Anonymous No.16883435]

>>16883424
No, It hasn't. Debt bubbles have not popped, Feds have to keep injecting and printing money. It's far from over.

[Anonymous No.16883484]

>>16883405
If the bear gets ahold of the bull at all, it's not letting go until its just beef.

[Anonymous No.16883485]

>>16883334
It’s been done many times in the old west man, that’s the reason the stock market got its name. Bear swipes down bull gores UP. And the bear would win: sometimes a bear would killl 3-4 bulls in a row

[Anonymous No.16883502]

Bear Tears

[Anonymous No.16883527]

>>16882268
> the parabolic euphoria coming in now
uhhhh have you been watching the market coverage?
Every article is
>COULD THIS BE A BLOW OFF TOP?!
>HIGHER DEBT THAN EVER BEFORE!!!
FUD FUD FUD
people are excited but scared

[Anonymous No.16883532]

>>16882106
Somebody give me the whole enchilada on this Robin Hood app thing. I have a coworker and his friend who are basically obsessed with it and getting a kick out of the easy investing. Isn't that usually a bad sign? When Joe Blow and co. start trying to make a quick buck in the market because "everyone else is"?

[Anonymous No.16883537]

>>16883424
>It crashed in Dec 2018
>Imagine seeing a 15% sell off and calling it a crash

[Anonymous No.16883567]

>>16883537
historically, it wouldn't be unusual for us not to see those lows again, judging by the trend. Long term consolidation, major draw down, bull market resumed.

[Anonymous No.16883593]

>>16883435
And people have been saying what you’re saying since 2013. Yes, everyone sees the unprecedented levels of debt and the low interest rates.
Yes this is not a sustainable system.
But there is nothing to indicate this is going to come crashing down anytime soon vs. in a few decades. Not having at least 1/3 of your net worth in stocks is just dumb.

[Anonymous No.16883599]

>>16883567
here is an updated graph with the 15% "Crash" its definitely not the correction. Just a sell off. Yall have no idea what a crash is, my understanding is majority of /biz/ is post gfc

t. investing 16 years (im an old man)

[Anonymous No.16883601]

>>16883532
I use that app to buy mining stocks, thats it. Lol, just look at the prices of everything else, they are all at insane, unnatural highs.

[Anonymous No.16883615]

>>16883537
Sit on the sidelines then faggot.

[Anonymous No.16883647]

>>16883615
oh by all means keep trading, merely pointing out that a 15% drop only seems a lot to you because you ave been trading in a turbo-bull market. believe me when shtf there is no questions of whether or not its a selloff/crash see >>16883599

[Anonymous No.16883684]

>>16883647
You’re right, my bad. I thought you were another “calling the top of the bull market” person.

[Anonymous No.16883692]

INFINITE BULL

[Anonymous No.16883701]

>>16882106
sold now for 70 percent gain. My protfolio is going to the dogs.

[Anonymous No.16883703]

>>16883599
I'm in muh 30's, but I wasn't in the market. I was in uni then and didn't realize how bad it really was in the real world until a few years after the SHTF.

Actually was gifted VTSAX around the lows, miraculously. seeing how it grew after 10 years of just sitting there is part of what got me interested in stocks.

15% is pretty damn big, you need to make 18% gains just to get back to even.

[Anonymous No.16883711]

>>16882275
Followed by the 21st century Great Depression ayyy lmao!

[Anonymous No.16883728]

NEVER GO DOWN

[Anonymous No.16883734]

>>16883701
dogs of the DOW is a good buy, but I prefer Merck to Pfizer. Actually prefer almost anything to Pfizer. LLY, BMY, GSK, AZN, ABBV...

Cisco though, that one should really pick up if CEO's optimism rises and enterprise spending follows..

>>16883711
Depressions are a thing of the past, now that we have nuclear powered central banks. Ask Yellen, she said so.

[Anonymous No.16883773]

>>16883734
>yes, goy. spend $20 on a six pack in the near future
>annual 2% inflation
>haha paper millionaire

[Anonymous No.16883794]

>>16883773
What's your point?
Are you saying I shouldn't be investing in stocks?

[Anonymous No.16883822]

>>16883794
Imagine, for a moment, you wake up one morning and you have $10,000,000 in your bank account. And you neighbor does. And all your co-workers do. Everyone's a millionaire.

But none of that will matter when bread is $500,000 a loaf.

[Anonymous No.16883828]

>>16883822
So you're saying I should... be buying bread futures or some shit?

[Anonymous No.16883847]

>>16883828
>suddenly realizes the value of commodities and real wealth
>shits on gold and silver

[Anonymous No.16883849]

>>16883822
Yeah thats called inflation. And you definetly want to be buying assets (stocks included in that situation). Printing money is fun

>>16883828
guy is making an argument for not holding cash. buy stonks/real estate

[Anonymous No.16883865]

>>16883532
Well it's really not bad, it's an entirely fee-free broker. They obviously sell a shitload of your data in return. Only use them to buy/sell, have another source for charts, prices, even shit earnings report dates are completely untrustworthy.

[Anonymous No.16883878]

>>16883849
>buying american (((homes))) made up of plywood
nigga americans are broke. they can't maintain their cars, and are one flat tire away from homelessness.
40% can't afford food on the table.
Think about all the poverty in New York City, the foothills of Appalachia, down to the beaches of Miami, and deep Southern poverty. It stretches from the Rust Belt, snakes its way across the plains and ends at the ass end of America: California.
POVERTY - FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA
USA! USA! USA! BOMB THE IRAQIS FOR FAKE WMD'S. OCCUPY THE WORLD!

[Anonymous No.16883882]

>>16882275

Did your history book go past the 20s? Did you ever read about what came next?

[Anonymous No.16883894]

>>16883878
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.16883905]

>>16883822
Almost all people have been domesticated by their masters. They cannot be made into men.

[Anonymous No.16883909]

>>16883849
I don't think he realizes that is the argument he is making though...

>>16883847
Silver is a real gamble/speculation. It's basically hoping that industry picks up. Otherwise it'll just resume falling in value.

I got nothing against gold but I don't think it's where I want to be in the 1st half of 2020. May buy some more miners though, they actually may be a bit undervalued because investors have hated them due to many years of mismanagement and over-leverage.

>>16883878
You buy real estate to own the commodity of "land" and collect rent.

That damn Bush war was a goddamn disaster, they created a vassal state for Iran. And what for?

>>16883882
Spanish flu, fucking tragedy. Killed more than bombs and bullets, dark days.

[Anonymous No.16883914]

>>16882412

>start with $100
>up 80% = $180
>down 50% = $90

And that's assuming we're only going down 50%. Prepare your anus.

[Anonymous No.16883916]

>>16883773
yeah!
Fucking idiots putting money in boomer kike stocks making 20% without taking 2% inflation into account.
These goy cucks think their money tripled but in reality it only doubled and now they are poor again.

the mental state of biz

[Anonymous No.16883928]

>>16883894
>not seeing America as an actual 2nd world country
God damn you must be the most sheltered person on all of 4chan. What subdivision you from nigga?

[Anonymous No.16883943]

>>16883928
soo you're younglin. got it. ok zoomer

[Anonymous No.16883945]

>>16882843
>it's not getting fucked over if I consent
this is your woman logic

[Anonymous No.16883952]

>>16883943
when the homeless neet uprising begins, i hope they find you first

[Anonymous No.16883992]

>>16883952
>2020
>neets still exist
what a memelord you are
>BUT SEE THE CHART SHOWS AT THE TROUGH A RECESSION HAPPENS

[Anonymous No.16884060]

>>16882268
We definitely have a ways to go before reaching the top. We still arent at dotcom level of PE levels. Although we are rapidly approaching that. I'd say you are right with 2024 idea. Trump will pump nonstop and hand the bag to someone else.

[Anonymous No.16884094]

>>16883992
uhhhh that unemployment rate doesn't count people who haven't actively looked for work for 4 weeks or more (long-term unemployed, and "discouraged" workers) which would be most NEETS

[Anonymous No.16884113]

>>16883822
>>16883773
There has been very low inflation so far. Food has some as do a few other things but bread isnt going to cost wheelbarrows of money anytime soon. The federal reserve has unlimited market making funds and can buy treasuries forever.

[Anonymous No.16884126]

>>16884094
Yup. guess you're right we are really around 20%

[Anonymous No.16884131]

>>16882192
And someone else stood up and clapped in agreement.
That students name was Albert Einstein.

[Anonymous No.16884197]

>>16884126
>

[Anonymous No.16884226]

>>16882106
Boomers get so much time to decide to sell, we get like 5 fucking seconds at the top

[Anonymous No.16884232]

>>16883593
People have obviously known the system is a scam since the federal reserve was created that's not new. I am talking about the next recession, People were not speculating another recession in 2013, 2018 was when people were talking about it. History repeats itself, The last time the stock market went went 10 years without a crash was right before the great depression. Nowhere in history has the stock market been sustained for 10 years of straight growth without any major crashes. It's never gonna happen until it actually happens, People that say it never happens and consumers living in their bubble are fueling it and will be the hardest to take the fall like they always have throughout history. You can leave your money in stocks until 2021 or even 2022 but that's just the risk you want to take.

[Anonymous No.16884245]

>>16882308
A recession doesn't mean a stock market crash.

>Recession hits
>Unemployment ticks up
>Fed now has its pretext
>Fed cuts rates 2%
>Fed expands repo
>Fed restarts QE
>Party keeps going

Stocks rise, even in real terms. Even if company earnings take a hit in the recession, the last two years proved they're irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.16884313]

>>16884245
Based.
> fed discussing repo operations to hedge funds
> jay powell saying inflation may be too low at last presser.
> a long way to go before fed hits zero and negative rates like Europe
> election year
This party is just getting started.
Spy to the moon.
Don’t get me wrong it’s gonna crash at some point and we will be Japan 2.0 but I give it minimum a year.

[Anonymous No.16884344]

>>16884313
>and we will be Japan 2.0
ehh no.

[Anonymous No.16884369]

>>16882157
Honestly I think we could keep going for another 5 years. Do not underestimate how long these kikes can keep this up. They’ll just keep printing money which directly heads straight into the markets and assets like real estate so we can reach new highs. Too many boomers are getting insanely rich off this to cause any problems yet.

[Anonymous No.16884619]

>>16882106
My money is on the sideline waiting for the biggest short in history.

Btw already shorted TESLA