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[Anonymous No.16853768]

What's stopping people from anonymously putting out smart contracts to kill people, and people anonymously accepting them?

The smart contract could use any database which would reliably update when a person is legally declared dead.

[Anonymous No.16853778]

>>16853768
You would need an oracle to gather outside data to make sure they were dead. You would need CHAINLINK (buy chainlink)

[Anonymous No.16853788]

>>16853768
dag nabbit mister!!! you just killed a thread. Wut in tarnation were you thinking? Gonna need you to come on down to the station to sort this whole mess out.

[Anonymous No.16853791]

>>16853778
this, if you create some sort of feed for dead people the service could launch

i would use it a lot

[Anonymous No.16853796]

>>16853788
kek

[Anonymous No.16853821]

>>16853768
Is the arranging of the transaction the biggest thing holding contract killings back? Or the fear of physical investigation after the fact?

[Anonymous No.16853857]

This is why crypto is such trash, a solution looking for a problem.

[Anonymous No.16853869]

>>16853821
Most get caught because either the killer or the payer ends up saying something after the fact. What if neither the payer nor the killer knew who the other was?

This puts 0 risk on the payer, 100% risk on the killer.

Lots of broke NEETS in America was access to guns and nothing to lose.

[Anonymous No.16853891]

>>16853857
Cant tell if you're posting ironically or not. The problem is people have no way of seeking out contract killers without 95% chance of walking into a sting

Dozens of onion routed sites can pop up overnight where people can anonymously offer smart contracts to kill people, and people could anonymously accept.

[Anonymous No.16853897]

>>16853869
Welcome to 2077.

[Anonymous No.16853925]

>>16853869
this is how we lift black america out of poverty

[Anonymous No.16853960]

How would one even put in that they were the one to do it and get paid as a result? What benefit does it really have over just a normal conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.16853981]

>>16853891
You could do the same without smart contracts, that's how I do it.

[Anonymous No.16854006]

>>16853981
>that's how I do it.
MODS MODS MODS

[Anonymous No.16854010]

>>16853960
The most obvious solution would be to only offer one smart contract at a time to a person, if it doesn't get done, then you cancel and create a new one for someone else, so you don't end up paying out on multiple contracts.

And as for benefits, are yoilu fucking retarded? This is a dream come true for both contract killers, and people who want other people dead.

See >>16853891 >>16853869

[Anonymous No.16854029]

>>16853981
No you can't, that's the thing. Because there's no reliable middle men for hit men retard. You're either gonna walk into a scam or a sting. Smart contracts solve both of those problems.

[Anonymous No.16854135]

>>16854029
You can't have a smart contract for something like that idiot, how would it even work?

[Anonymous No.16854145]

>>16853768
This is already thing with Augur

[Anonymous No.16854166]

https://media.consensys.net/assassination-markets-come-to-augur-594150040ea7?gi=a32955d826ba

[Anonymous No.16854206]

>>16854135
>You can't do this

I sincerely hope you don't hold link or eth having this little understanding how smart contracts work.

You program a smart contract, a very basic one would be using an if/else decision tree. If (personIsDead(person )) payContractor(amount) . personIsDead function could utilize any one of dozens of government databases that would update when a person is legally declared dead

[Anonymous No.16854309]

>>16854206
yes, so what exactly is stopping this from becoming a reality?

it does seem like the future for assassination

[Anonymous No.16854335]

>>16854309
Look above retard, I posted documented evidence that this was already a thing 18 months ago. The reason why it's not stirring up much controversy is because no one is using any of this shit.

[Anonymous No.16854379]

>>16854309
That's why I made this thread to ask.

>>16854335
So you're sincerely telling me we are only one marketing push away from this becoming common place?

[Anonymous No.16854421]

>>16854379
I don't know much about Augur, but they clearly have a broken incentive mechanism. That shit is totally dead. But if you wanted to you could place a bounty on someone right now

[Anonymous No.16854435]

>>16854206
>government database

Cuz all governments have stringent electronic records.

[Anonymous No.16854462]

>>16853768
anon money is cancer thats why

[Anonymous No.16854905]

>>16853768
once a bounty system is run by a reliable AI that can determine if people are dead or alive, this will become an industry in the future
lots of dead low to medium level politicians
lots of dead drug dealers and gang members
even dead celebrities if the bounty can be collected by family members and relatives when the assassin goes into the hit fully expecting to be caught and locked up, but leaving his family the money

[Anonymous No.16855001]

>>16854905
Fucking Christ. I finally get it. When high iqs said AI will be the end of us all. A decentralized AI paired with a decentralized blockchain system of smart contracts, I'm just surprised I haven't heard people warning about this, besides that 1 article an anin posted from 2018 about a dead project.

[Anonymous No.16855127]

>>16855001
it will do alot of damage to the staus quo and lots of dead people but it won't be the end of us
maybe people will need to go outside into the public with masks on (randomized masks for every day and randomized fashion for every day) so the AI can't recognize you by your face or appearance
politicians will be anonymous and not known anymore by name (or be killed)
maybe democracy will be finally updated to digital elections, with law suggestions by anonymous or AI and the people can vote on it
more atomization and isolation of society like we can't imagine right now

[Anonymous No.16855165]

>>16855127
I don't think it would even have to be that advanced. Just develop a psuedo AI that scowers the internet for news articles, social media etc and develop it enough and it can probably become pretty consistent for most people.

[Anonymous No.16855289]

>>16855165
also maybe it doesn't need to be one guy who gives the contract, but a crowd funded contract of thousands of anonymous people pledging money from around the world giving out the bounty, with the AI as a middle man

[Anonymous No.16855306]

>>16853768
because txs are traceable u fucking retard

[Anonymous No.16855369]

>>16855306
Monero isn't retard, you do realize you don't NEED to be pay out smart contracts in eth or chainlink, right retard? Those are collateral tokens for the node/oracle operators

[Anonymous No.16855524]

>>16853768
Smart contracts exist by community consensus. In extreme circumstances, especially when the existence of the network is threatened, they can make exceptions to core rules (see DAO fork). What community is going to correctly validate an oracle which exists to process the payment of an assassin?

Look at how people react to the accusations about Ross Ulbricht. The consensus seems to be, he didn't really order those killings, but if he did, he's scum.

If someone makes DeathCoin or somesuch, people throwing down money contingent on the death of a person will have their money confiscated at some point in the process, whether that's at the chainlink level or as far as the miner level, because everyone will agree that this is what should happen. Especially since by NOT doing this, and letting decentralized murder flourish on their platform, stakeholders would be permitting a media storm causing the network being banned in many countries, killing their investment.

[Anonymous No.16855573]

>>16855524
You're framing it wrong. Its not what community will validate this oracle, it's what oracle operator isn't going to allow contracts with giant cuts given to them.

And
>Everyone will agree

That's quite a bet you're making given the anonymous nature of all this. It's almost as if twitter voting on something doesn't affect an anonymous market with lots of money to be made. I wonder what 4chan would vote concerning this..

[Anonymous No.16855682]

>>16855573
It isn't much of a bet to conclude that governments will ban Ethereum if there start being lots of high profile killings with publicly recorded onchain payments. It isn't much of a bet to assume the devs, as well as the biggest holders and mining farms, will comprehend the threat this poses to their investment.

[Anonymous No.16855712]

>>16853768
>assassination market
nothing. see augur

[Anonymous No.16855765]

>>16855682
>govt will try to ban it

That would be the best case scenario for hodlers, because it obviously wouldn't work.

>Project team will see it as a threat
And? Eth doesn't have a Killswitch lol. Even if it did, the kill market would just move to the next token

[Anonymous No.16855797]

>>16853768
Because that data would be immutable. Blockchain is a terrible way to pay for committing crime, unless you're talking about XMR.

[Anonymous No.16855826]

>>16855797
Why would you make this post assuming I was talking about paying out in any of the coins that aren't untrackable? Are you retarded or a bad faith actor?

Also, see >>16855369

[Anonymous No.16855895]

>>16854206
Yeah, and my company, Serendipitous NEETs Elite Killing (SNEK) will sign up to every contract and get free money every time someone dies for unrelated reasons.

[Anonymous No.16855914]

>>16855895
When people make posts like these it really makes me remember that at least half of the people in these threads are below 100 IQ.

[Anonymous No.16855922]

>>16854206
>how smart contracts work
>if/else
Jesus christ

[Anonymous No.16855939]

>>16853791
Augur?

[Anonymous No.16855946]

>>16853778
I'm sure eventually someone will make an Obituary SV. Link is a worthless premined shittoken.

[Anonymous No.16855966]

>>16855765
>Illegal in US and Europe to host or connect to Ethereum nodes. Fiat transfer illegal. No legitimate business can touch it in any way, now purely for criminals
>best case scenario for hodlers

>Eth doesn't have a Killswitch lol.
>What is DAO fork

[Anonymous No.16855973]

>>16855914
>If (personIsDead(person )) payContractor(amount)
Pay up nigger. If it looks like it was an accident or natural death that's only because I'm good at my job. And yes, I make the kills on my schedule. I'm a busy man, as you would expect of any in demand professional such as myself.

[Anonymous No.16856000]

>>16855973
>gets cancelled in a week
Go read a book, you are probably malnourished too, or retarded.

>>16855966
I agree. Let's put it this way, if things get bad enough where the government would actually push hard to ban crypto for this reason, then things will be unstable enough where it won't matter. Boomers still think crypto is a useless scam.

[Anonymous No.16856034]

>>16855922
>tfw been programming for over 10 years
>Webdev, app dev, game dev
>See responses like >>16854206
Life is pain...

[Anonymous No.16856058]

sure but as node operator, i have ur information and will ransom you otherwise ill hand the info to state.

[Anonymous No.16856065]

>>16856034
More like

>Be programming for 10 days
>Try to get a dopamine fix by mentioning I'm a programmer
>End up looking retarded trying to judge one line of pseudocode that's not even on /g/

Kek, yes, you should do it, what you're thinking right now. From the ceiling fan.

[Anonymous No.16856066]

>>16856000
>signs on again next week
Face it, you're a retard. There are some ways it might work with prediction markets or some other collateral being needed to start a contract but you don't have any way of incentivizing a broke neet to kill someone with smart contracts anonymously.

[Anonymous No.16856073]

isnt the blockchain 100% transperant leading to a quick and easy open shut case?

[Anonymous No.16856078]

>>16856066
What do you mean sign on lmao? Contracts aren't sign up sheets you moron. If you ask to get given a second contract and you failed the first one, you won't get the time of day.

[Anonymous No.16856106]

>>16854206
if person is dead, before a certain date, it needs to have a time limit

[Anonymous No.16856119]

>>16853768
Because while there are death databases, and you could setup a straw funeral home to act as an oracle, the system is very easily hacked. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FdHq3WfJgs

Also you'd need a time window based system otherwise you don't know which assassin wallet to send the money to. Or perhaps tokens/signed hashes, but then you're talking about joining metadata to the method of kill.

And any manual steps might allow the payer to welsh on the contract.

[Anonymous No.16856147]

>>16854435
>oh no we can't hire anonymous hitmen to kill random Africans/turd worlders!
People who matter (aka people who other people want to have assassinated) live in first world countries with death records.

[Anonymous No.16856156]

>>16856119
Maybe you structure it as gambling. Have 1 wallet+1 BTC bets for each day that someone dies.

The BTC + "jackpot" is refunded upon contract completion. The contract has (implausible) deniability as just betting on a (not) famous person's death.

Only problem is that security services would monitor these contracts and know when assassins are coming after their (not) famous person based on which "bet"s are made.

[Anonymous No.16856162]

What if the first real dapp is uber for assassins. Slayr? What a future.

[Anonymous No.16856180]

>>16856065
kek this faggot is so assblasted

[Anonymous No.16856206]

>>16856156
>The BTC + "jackpot" is refunded upon contract completion. The contract has (implausible) deniability as just betting on a (not) famous person's death.
Legally no different than life insurance. The only problem left is how you pay the actual hitman and not whatever NEETs are spam-claiming contracts as soon as they go up.

[Anonymous No.16856263]

>>16856078
>What do you mean sign on lmao?
You spaz, there's no set terminology for this because it DOESN'T EXIST. If you had a decent IQ you'd realise that was implying a different kind of model to whatever you've got in your head.

>If you ask to get given a second contract and you failed the first one, you won't get the time of day.
I have millions of companies discreetly under my control that will eventually complete the contract then.

[Anonymous No.16856298]

>>16856263
>If I had a high IQ I would have thought you were talking about a specific system that doesn't work, when there are clearly 1000 other ways to do it where it does work

You realize your error, right?

[Anonymous No.16856329]

>>16856206
Presumably the hitman would claim his scheduled kill date/time as late as possible. Having a high buy in (1 BTC or whatever) should also cut down on spam-claiming.

I think the main thing might be the forewarning problem. You can't have people sign up for, uh, bets if the...uh, betting subject's name is hashed.

[Anonymous No.16856351]

>>16856329
>I think the main thing might be the forewarning problem. You can't have people sign up for, uh, bets if the...uh, betting subject's name is hashed.

I guess you could have the contract for kill time X only become available at, like, X+1 minute? The assassin would know which block to claim but it's before any NEETs could find out.

[Anonymous No.16856360]

>>16856298
Alright this is retarded and I don't have a coin to shill in this discussion to make it worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.16856416]

The problem is most countrys have cameras everywhere. You will get caught eventually

[Anonymous No.16856571]

What happens to the people that were dust attacked by AMB or other random coins...
>>16855524
>consensus
Kind of a silver lining ocmf optimism anonkun. Still though... pretty spoopy this all is

[Anonymous No.16856610]

>>16853768
Sounds like a good plot for a movie.

[Anonymous No.16856700]

>>16856416
This is the concern of the desperate hitman, not the person who put up the contract.

[Anonymous No.16856742]

>>16856610
https://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Screenplay
then pitch to Uwe Boll.

[Anonymous No.16856767]

>>16856610
>Kids at school start fucking with each other putting $50 contracts on each other, everyone is on edge
>One day, one lonely loser starts collecting

[Anonymous No.16856916]

>he doesn't have an assassination insurance smartcontract

[Anonymous No.16856957]

ITT: /biz solves the anonymous smart contract assassination problem.

its nice to know we can collectively use our conscious to figure out the next generation of killing contracts.

[Anonymous No.16856985]

>>16856916
Kek

>Every day you live you pay out to a pool of people just to dissuade them from trying to act on the open contracts on your head

The future is bright

[Anonymous No.16856993]

>>16853768
Please do it. I want to easily acquire $50,000 by hacking the database the smart contract pulls its data from. Or even get a job at the location or manipulate them to post a false obituary by mistake. Name changes come cheap.

[Anonymous No.16857044]

>>16856957
We haven't solved it though.

Even in the "reward goes to the person who claims/deposits the buy-in for the soonest block after the oracle-confirmed time of death" implementation you need a chain to run on. The hosting problem is one issue for pirating movies or illegal gambling, quite another for assassinations.

[Anonymous No.16857088]

>>16853768
because crypto is a public ledger and its all trackable so might as well just pay with cash to a local gang.

[Anonymous No.16857113]

>>16856329
Theres also the issue of the oracle. How the hell do you know with 100% certainty whether someone is dead or alive via the internet? The oracle would need to scour databases or news articles which are all centralized services and can be hacked (and if the government realizes the oracle is using these services, they will all be shut down). Let's say I tell the oracle "I want to know if Satoshi Nakamoto is dead or alive." Wtf is the answer to that?

[Anonymous No.16857128]

>>16853788

[Anonymous No.16857137]

>>16853768
how does the killer prove he did it & the money should be sent to him without literally admitting publicly that he just killed someone? a trusted third party that verifies kills?

[Anonymous No.16857149]

You can do that without chainlink.

[Anonymous No.16857157]

>>16857137
Yes, there needs to be an oracle that determines this. How the fuck that will work I have no idea

[Anonymous No.16857169]

>>16857113
Yeah, see >>16856119 for some lulzy examples of those getting hacked.

OTOH, doctors and funeral homes will always need access to death databases. Presumably lawyers too for the sake of wills or whatever the fuck.

So... they can't be shut down and there's no way in hell governments could turn time/date of death into omg ultra secure HIPAA shit. Especially if the implementation does its "earliest claimed block" check only once a month or something so the data loses its sensitivity and has time to propagate.

Confirming an anonymous person's death would be another issue.

[Anonymous No.16857183]

>>16857137
See >>16856156 and >>16856351. Obviously the wallet making the "suspiciously correct and timely bet on someone's death" would be Monero-tier anonymous.

[Anonymous No.16857216]

based

[Anonymous No.16857250]

>>16855895
I want to save this but it feels pedo. Couldn't you have made her a bit older

[Anonymous No.16857255]

>>16857137
>>16857157
jason parser 2049

>be me, a bounty hunter for hire
>receive new contract from fully encrypted, decentralized, secondary internet on my AI integrated phone that handles all of my business contacts for me
>another SoKo thinks he can end this near lawless landscape due to no central point of attack
>get in my Tesla that's operated by the same AI that deals with my finances, banks don't exist anymore
>shitpost on 4chain as I'm chauffeured to the approximate location of the target thanks to blockchain delegated predictive analysis that aggregated all of his daily habits
>get out my car, a grimey older man with a yamaca and dirtied suit begs for tokens in the alleyway
>I ignore his kvetching
>spot the target heading into a robo-brothel and massage parlor
>pull out my biometrically enabled, heart-attack air pistol and proceed to enter
>I transfer .000000007 LINK to the service robot to give the target a soothing, mint-scented, tea-tree oil scalp and eye wash and blow job "on the house"
>he's oblivious, too easy
>shoot target with self-destructing nano-bots that spontaneously erupt the aortic valve
>he's dead in minutes without even knowing it
>robots continue service without knowing he's dead yet
>walk out
>I scan my tertiary transparent address and the live recording of the hit using my bionic eye to the decentralized contracting service in order to confirm that the job has been accomplished
>smart contract executes its final role and releases an (unknown amount) of XMR to my semi-hot wallet
>atomic swap half of earnings back to LINK
>god I love fungibility
>Tesla pulls up and I dictate my AI to head home and prep the alternate reality room for a bit of R&R
>another day, another linky

[Anonymous No.16857340]

Nothing stops an assassination market except popularizaiton. http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm

[Anonymous No.16857341]

>>16856767
That's gay. The movie would be better if it showed the effects on the higher levels

[Anonymous No.16857489]

>>16857341
Idk man, I could see it being like Lord of the Flies

[Anonymous No.16857518]

>>16853768

Retard, how would the contract know you completed the job and not somebody else?

[Anonymous No.16857613]

>>16856066
The workers receive a rating as well for when they but on jobs. You must complete trash jobs in order to receive higher rating to work on better paying jobs and you lose rating when you fail to deliver after tying up there contact for x days. So you could do what you say but it would be for nonsense jobs that pay dick all

[Anonymous No.16857858]

>>16853768
chainlink lol

[Anonymous No.16857939]

>>16856993
> hacking the database the smart contract pulls its data from
sorry but it aggregates it from multiple sources via linkchains

[Anonymous No.16857951]

>>16853768
delete this