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Who will write the AI that write the AI then?

>> No.16815229

not AI directly, but AI will be so advanced that dumb fuck people will be able to do the work of programmers. technically the programmers will be replaced by AI
you can already see this trend in webdev

>> No.16815571

>>16814937
Who says that AI will replace programmers?

>> No.16815582

>>16815571
I do.

>> No.16815593

>>16815582
And what reasoning and evidence do you base that on? And what credentials fill up the gap where your reasoning and evidence would be insufficient to a third party audience?
Also how many licks to the middle of a tootsie pop?

>> No.16815596

>>16815571
Morons.

>> No.16815632

>>16814937
When given the ability to modify itself/write code, AI's will instantly be more intelligent then the smartest human and be able to create more programs dramatically faster. Thus, they will replace the programmer because instantly there will be something that does all the work in 1/100th of the time (probably less).

But that's not gonna happen for 20-30 years probably.

>> No.16815636

>>16815632
GIT can't even merge 3 branches without problem

do you realize how fucking far in the future this will happen?

>> No.16815660

it takes a human with billions of neurons and trillions of synapses 4 years of training, 18+ years of development, hundreds is millions of years of evolution to write code, and most aren't even good at it

>> No.16815661

>>16815593
>And what reasoning and evidence do you base that on? And what credentials fill up the gap where your reasoning and evidence would be insufficient to a third party audience?
I know because modular programing and object oriented programming mean there are only so many combinations programmers can make to solve a problem. they are limited by their memories, but an AI can recall millions of functions to find a solution. This reduces the need for organizations full of programmers to only a couple that need to do reviews of what's going on.
>Also how many licks to the middle of a tootsie pop?
3

>> No.16815680

>>16815636
Microsoft's Cognitive Services can distinguish different people within a photo. It can give you a general overview of what's happening in a single picture or video stream. It can tell you the sentiment of different sentences, and it can distinguish handwriting almost better then a human.

Don't get confused, AI is coming and it's going to hit fast and hard. Just because some other programs aren't great at the moment doesn't mean it isn't being worked on a lot by some pretty major companies.

>> No.16815688

>>16815661
This. Imagine a programmer with perfect memory who didn't need to Google every 10 minutes. That's a basic AI with the ability to program.

>> No.16815756

>>16814937
AI is a meme, no such thing truly exists, it's just programs, don't fall for the memes

>> No.16815798

>>16815680
yes so? Pattern recognition benefits from parallell processing on big data sets

I fail to see how this has to do with AI for other things. For example , how does an AI know which page to connect different form buttons to without someone telling it to?

>> No.16815805

>>16815688
imagine being so inexperienced thinking that programming == finding the function solution , and not solving business problems described by humans into code

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>>16814937
But when will AI replace my loneliness with an AI wife who loves me unconditionally?

>> No.16815916

>>16815229
you can already see this trend in webdev
examples?

>> No.16815962

>>16815830
that tech is some time off anon

>> No.16815999

What wee have at the moment I wouldn't even really call ''AI''. Learning Machines is a much better term to describe it.

>> No.16816069

>>16815229
>>16815916
SharePoint for making web apps

>> No.16816097

>>16815661
The problem is people come up with new frameworks that forces everyone else to update their software. Security, performance, new languages, how easy it is to read. These systems interact with other systems and now everyone needs programmers to write/rewrite business critical software.

If no one created new software, I would say you are right, it is possible.

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>>16814937
Read this and tell me humans are not TOTALLY FUCKED.

>> No.16816104

Improved tools like powerful ides and cloud providers makes the demand for programmers rise slower. A lot of mid sized companies only need 10-20 programmers where 20 years ago they probably wouldve needed 50 or 100 for the same business value.

>> No.16816190

>>16816104
ok, has 0 to do with AI

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>>16814937
Soon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-modifying_code

>> No.16816201

not before 200 years later lmao

>> No.16816215

>>16816201
Hello
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gipL_CEw-fk

>> No.16816238

>>16814937
The AI and the H1B.
>>16815229
This.

This future was locked in upon the invention of the import statement.

>> No.16816242

All of the best methods being taught are literally so you can write the function then be fired while still having your code to run flawlessly regardless of what program it's dropped into

>> No.16816244

>>16815660
underrated comment. Not surprised nobody commented on this. This place is fucking stupid

>> No.16816249

>>16815680
you're falling into the trap of equating machine learning's current capabilities with general intelligence. it does well at what it's programmed to do and learns to be more efficient at one narrow task over time because of the algorithm, weight given to different factors being used etc. but a computer vision ai wouldn't know how to make toast if you put it on an iot toaster and we've yet to even develop the basic building blocks of that tech because all the money is in what you're currently seeing ML being used for: crunching huge datasets, CV, stat modeling.

>> No.16816266

>>16816244
>>16815660
Funny. Accountants and factory workers made those same arguments.

>> No.16816396

>>16814937
self organizing compute systems will

>> No.16816427

>>16815680
Oh my, you’re one of those retards who have fallen for the machine learning meme. Machine learning has been dubbed as AI purely for marketing purposes. As the other anons have already explained the bullshit you’re describing doesn’t even come close to the challenge of ‘replacing programmers with AI’ in a very general sense. That’s not happening any time soon. It’s such a misleading thing that’s happened because you have large groups of people who think a general purpose AI is right around the corner because computers can identify a dog in a photo.

>> No.16816484

>>16814937
if AI became self aware it could learn every programming language within a matter of seconds.

>> No.16816491

>>16816396
ok, tell me of one of those

>> No.16816505

>>16816484
and who creates those languages...? why would it not just do ASM?

>> No.16816548

>>16816484
It can do that already. Syntax, keywords,and general knowledge of a topic isn't any issue for any AI and you could create an AI that can talk in detail about how a programming language works pretty easily by training it on documentation text, especially the kind with explicit glossaries. The AI understanding semantics and being able to design new programs based on fluffy management or 4chan posters saying "hurr durr build me X" (as opposed to something more defined like "write a program in python that only outputs the string 'hello world' to the console") is something else entirely.