PMG - Precious Metal General

[Anonymous No.16673995]

Gold, silver and all the shiny rocks in between.

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Best places to Silver at the moment:

https://thecoinshoppe.ca/

https://www.apmex.com/

https://monumentmetals.com/

https://jmbullion.com/

https://atkinsonsbullion.com/

https://sdbullion.com/

BUY SILVER AT SPOT PRICE: https://findbullionprices.com/buy-silver-at-spot-deals.php

[Anonymous No.16674037]

>>16673995
Was wondering where the /pmg/ was, thanks

[Anonymous No.16674167]

I currently own roughly $800 in silver. Mixed between 1oz Bullion bars, 40% coins, & 90% coins. i also purchase 5gram gold bars every other month. Is there something else recommended to look into? I try to buy $75-$100 worth of silver each month, and I just store it in a wall safe for now. Does the way the metal exists matter? Bar, coin, etc? Thanka

[Anonymous No.16674186]

>>16674167
Most places won’t pay over spot so whatever has the lowest premiums imo

[Anonymous No.16674188]

buy Gold

[Anonymous No.16674867]

Space Force will drive the price of gold to 5k.

[Anonymous No.16674874]

>>16674867
why?

[Anonymous No.16674949]

>>16674874
Gold lined visors and reflectors for pewpew lasers

[Anonymous No.16676192]

>>16674167
U should save some money to buy 1 oz or atleast 1/2 oz gold to save money for the premium price.

[Anonymous No.16676712]

>>16673995
reminder you can buy silver with DGB
https://digi-broker.com/?assetid=La7oaPL5gA8maMx4rRsjta6JKoZARGgg82Js7m#assets

NO TAX, NO SHIPPING FEE. We strive to serve, we strive to meet, your micro silver payment needs.

[Anonymous No.16676722]

Silverchads rise up!

[Anonymous No.16676731]

>>16676722
I came, I checked, I came again.

[Anonymous No.16676763]

>>16676192
Sovereigns are good too. As long as no one has a problem with buying coins with the Queen of England on them.

Anyone? Anyone at all?

[Anonymous No.16676849]

>>16673995
any idea on what silvers price is going to do over the summer? If the weathers terrible again this year i am going back to digging Argentite on one of my claims. I am hoping I can get the rest of last seasons ore milled up and concentrated before then. Gold is great but its so much harder to find than a good silver showing.

[Anonymous No.16676879]

>>16676763
I just thought of something. Do you think the price of Sovereigns will go up immediately after she dies? Nobody wants a gold or silver coin with Charles' face on it. Maybe time to stock up on them.

[Anonymous No.16676950]

>>16673995
should i pay all my debt of before i start investing?

[Anonymous No.16676951]

>>16676849
Probably going to dump one last time.

[Anonymous No.16676972]

>>16676950
Maybe? I could pay off my mortgage today but won't because I get more $ investing my $ than I would save by paying off the loan.

[Anonymous No.16677487]

Can anyone comment on Mene? I was thinking of buying 1/2 oz of platinum with my Christmas bonus, but the premiums on fractional platinum coins are so high, that I think that I might as well just buy a ring or something instead.

[Anonymous No.16678346]

>>16673995
bump

[Anonymous No.16678522]

>>16673995
Just had another 40oz of Britannia's delivered today. Comfy.

[Anonymous No.16678541]

>>16678522
i wish i could buy that much at a time im stick to ten oz a week will i pay of my debts

[Anonymous No.16678586]

>>16678522
Just ordered another four silver Queens Beasts.
Did they only make one of those in 2016?

[Anonymous No.16678661]

>>16677487
The "Mene" fee and 20 dollar shipping makes it not worth it.

[Anonymous No.16678703]

>>16678586
Yeah, that's right. I believe it was The Lion of England that was released in 2016.

[Anonymous No.16678829]

>>16678703
I just ordered one of those and a 2017 Griffin, a 2018 Unicorn and a 2017 Dragon. I already have the other four. I hope another 2020 comes out later in the year.

[Anonymous No.16678876]

New to investing in precious metals, why are we doing this?

[Schiff Will Win !!L6zziHG8/KZ No.16678901]

>>16678876
Because silver and gold are real money, all these other currencies are fiat and printed out of thin air and will collapse
Also all this technology we use uses silver and gold, which are both finite supply, fiat beinf infinite supply.
And all the banks are stacking metals so we copy them.
Gold and silver outperform all stock indexes
Quite frankly metals are rare and they are shiny

[Anonymous No.16678918]

[Anonymous No.16679276]

>>16678876
big poo haha

[Anonymous No.16679310]

>Millenial spends all money on holidays and tattoos and craft beer
NPC Normies: :)
>Millenial saves all money and purchases precious metals
NPC normies: >:(

Can anyone explain why this is?

[Anonymous No.16679317]

>>16679310
I spend my money on holidays beer and silver

[Anonymous No.16679318]

>>16678876
you should diversify into stocks, fiat, and precious metals, you never know which will go to shit so it's good to have all

[Anonymous No.16679356]

>>16679318
It’s obvious fiat is complete shit.

[Anonymous No.16679361]

>>16679356
Therefore so is any fiat denominated asset like stocks or bonds

[Anonymous No.16679383]

>>16679361
Anon. . . this is not how that works. Lets use an example
>1 USD is worth 1 big mac
>You invest 100 USD into 10 stocks, all equally worth 10 USD
>The USD inflates, so now it requires 2 USD to purchase 1 big mac
>You are still holding 10 stocks
>The cost to acquire 10 stocks is now 200
>When you turn stocks into big macs, you can turn 10 stocks into 100 big macs
>If you had kept the fiat, you would only be able to get 50 big macs
Its the exact same concept as investing in gold or silver. Replace stocks with gold in the above example and its exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.16679387]

>>16679356
don't go completely rogue though, what if hyperinflation happens 60 years from now

[Anonymous No.16679405]

>>16679318
but isn't crypto the best of all?

[Anonymous No.16680224]

>>16679387
what if inflation isn't uniform? And like, medical and educational costs inflate rapidly but basic cost of living stays pretty constant?

[Anonymous No.16680353]

>>16680224
America prints dollars faster than ever, yet the value of dollar compared to other Fiat stays about the same. As you can see it’s a global thing, just not as openly talked about in Europe.

[Anonymous No.16680559]

Is silver going to bounce back or continue to shit its pants?

[Anonymous No.16680592]

>>16680559

Definitely shit, it's in a downtrend. I'm going to start buying bulk after it drops another 20%

[Anonymous No.16680601]

Just bought silver waiting for the impending collapse of everything fiat
I dont care about dips or anything at this point

[Anonymous No.16680602]

>>16680592
>past performance = future performance

Why is everyone on biz so retarded?

[Anonymous No.16680998]

>>16679310
This is what I spent my Christmas bonus on

[Anonymous No.16681036]

>>16674949
Ironically this. Lots of PM used for pewpews.

[Anonymous No.16681199]

>>16680601
Kinda nervous for when it opens back up desu. What I do know is this... We WILL make it.

[Anonymous No.16681729]

How many silver oz. to make it?

[Anonymous No.16681784]

>>16681729
0 because jpm is gonna crash silver to $8 like the last time

[Anonymous No.16681789]

>>16681729
What's your make it, 1m? If so, then assuming 10x over the course of the next 5-10 years, buy $100k worth of silver, or about 5600 oz.

[Anonymous No.16681989]

>>16680998
I love how no one wants to show the other side of their reptile coins :D :D :D

[Anonymous No.16682311]

>>16681989
BOO!!

[Anonymous No.16682324]

>>16682311
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.16682498]

>>16676763
>As long as no one has a problem with buying coins with the Queen of England on them.
>buying reptilian marked coins
Enjoy being a mindslave

[Anonymous No.16683423]

>>16682498
They are just ugly uf anything else. Not worth the premium at all.

[Anonymous No.16683864]

> https://cryptoiq.co/germany-limiting-the-ability-to-anonymously-purchase-gold-in-an-attempt-to-force-people-to-hold-euros/
> Goyim, I...

I hope 2020 is not when it begins, I didn’t stacked enough yet.

[Anonymous No.16683960]

>>16682311
Why did they show her mid-shift on one?

[Anonymous No.16684017]

>>16680998
such ugly coins.

[Anonymous No.16684046]

>>16683864
i hope for fall 2020. that would be a perfect time.

[Anonymous No.16684091]

>>16673995
>Gold prices have averaged an annual growth of 1.67% over the last 100 years, adjusted for inflation
Yeah, I'll pass.

[Anonymous No.16684139]

>>16684091
You don't buy gold to make money, brainlet, you buy it to stop you losing money.

[Anonymous No.16684153]

>>16684139
Yes and no, depends if you’re lucky enough to be stacked as the economy crashes.

[Anonymous No.16684160]

>>16683864
>I hope 2020 is not when it begins
same
I'm really hoping it begins near the end of 2021

[Anonymous No.16684745]

>>16684017
>1 post by this ID
Let me ask this again. What do you think is going to happen to the price of these coins when Elizabeth dies?

[Anonymous No.16684852]

>>16684745
Queen’s Beasts Collection in „New” condition will be worth quite a nice premium 5-6 years after she „dies”. If they decide not to release any other sets while she lives, it should go to absolutely ridiculous prices in the future. Add to that prices of gold and silver possibly multiplying and you get a nice return on investment here.

[Anonymous No.16685212]

I bought Canadian silver coins
Fuck America

[Anonymous No.16685310]

>>16680602

Sonny, do you know what a major downtrend looks like? Because silver is textbook right now.

[Anonymous No.16685327]

>>16684852

Are you referring to the ten ounce coins?

[Anonymous No.16685474]

>>16685310
>he cares about precious meta price fluctuations
Why are you even buying them?

[Anonymous No.16685634]

>>16685327
The pictures I posted are the two ounce coins.

[Anonymous No.16685639]

platinum is the best accumulation

[Anonymous No.16685706]

>>16685639
I haven't actually checked the numbers but I read that Platinum and palladium have exactly the same industrial uses and when platinum gets too expensive like it did a few years back everyone switches to palladium until that spikes and they switch back to platinum. And so on and so on and so on.
If that's anywhere close to true then platinum is an incredibly good deal right now.

[Anonymous No.16685945]

>>16676849
based sulfide

[Anonymous No.16686053]

>right before the recession in 2008 silver was pushed way down before shit hit the fan
>silver dropping right now
Guys I think its time

[Anonymous No.16686105]

>>16680592
Primary trend flipped up in July. Banks printing massive amounts of money, JP Morgan silver manipulators getting indicted, key technical levels have been broken. We just started the bull run

[Anonymous No.16686106]

>>16678901

[Anonymous No.16686139]

>>16686106
I think its crazy how cheap silver still is even though it actually has way more practical uses than gold

[Anonymous No.16686140]

>>16684091
gold has out performed the stock market over the last 20 years. its price is correlated to how much money is being printed, which is a lot atm

[Anonymous No.16686152]

>>16678901

[Anonymous No.16686171]

>>16686152
Yeah and LINK 1000 EOY
I dont think silver will launch that high that quickly

[Anonymous No.16686327]

>>16686140
>gold has out performed the stock market over the last 20 years
only because 20 years ago gold had fallen to an inflation adjusted price equal to what it had been 80+ years prior. A 0% real return over 80 years. A loss, even.

[Anonymous No.16686331]

>>16678901

[Anonymous No.16686349]

>>16680998
>black bull of Clarence
Sounds cucked desu

[Anonymous No.16686355]

>>16679310
>normies are stupid and have no clue how to plan for the future
What a shock

[Anonymous No.16686385]

>>16686327
> A 0% real return
of course, gold is a hedge against inflation, you're betting that stocks and real estate will lose their value relative to them

[Anonymous No.16686419]

>>16685945
funny enough most of that gray black minerals actually native silver. I ve got raw metallic silver off that vein as well. Some parts of the vein are up to 1000 ounces per tonne silver.

[Anonymous No.16686430]

>>16686327
80 years ago the dollar was still tied to the price of gold. Now, the FED is trapped. They attempted to raise interest rates in 2018 and almost collapsed the economy. Their only option at this point is to keep injecting liquidity into the market at an ever increasing pace. Standard Zimbabwe economics

[Anonymous No.16686487]

>>16685945
sample in below pic carried 1000 ounces per tonne silver... issue is extracting the vein would cost more than you would make recovering it.

[Anonymous No.16686516]

heres some high grade silver / tungsten ore deep down in the Cariboo Hudson mine near Likely BC. I assayed some of that ore and it ran 450-600 grams per tonne silver and 9 ounces per tonne gold.

[Anonymous No.16686554]

Wheres the fuckin silver?

[Anonymous No.16686591]

Reposting my purchase from Feb, thinking of picking up another 500 oz in bars

[Anonymous No.16686600]

>>16686554
depends on where you live lol there are hundreds of millions of ounces just waiting to be dug up in Nevada alone!

[Anonymous No.16686968]

>>16686600
Any proof?

[Anonymous No.16686972]

>>16686487
Btc miners operated at a loss for a while...

[Anonymous No.16686983]

>>16686516
Where can I learn more about assaying/prospecting for silver and gold?

[Anonymous No.16687010]

>>16686968
for one look up the Comstock Lode. Its one of the largest and best mineralized areas on earth. Nevada produced 10 million ounces of silver last year, most of that as byproduct from copper mining. There are still millions of ounces of silver as well as gold left in the Comstock Lode, the only issue is its deep and hard to get at. There are also huge amounts of silver left in mine waste across the country, most old style mine mills were only 80% efficient at best, that left over silver, copper, lead and gold etc is just sitting in sand waiting to be reprocessed.

[Anonymous No.16687021]

>>16686983
there are dozens of books and hundreds of hours of vids about this subject online, try the youtuber askjeffwilliams, his channel and website are great for beginners.

[Anonymous No.16687056]

>>16687010
Silver is both rare but still plentiful enough to enact a silver standard. I believe a silver standard with every currency in the world backed by silver is the way to go!

[Anonymous No.16687089]

>>16687056
it really is the prefect currency metal, because it has dozens of uses and only a fraction of those allow the metal to be recycled properly.

[Anonymous No.16687263]

Should I buy Cobalt?

[Anonymous No.16687288]

>>16687263
buy stocks in companies mining or exploring for cobalt. Its going to become really really important in the coming years and its getting hard to come by new deposits.

[Anonymous No.16687310]

>>16687288
Why would cobalt be important? What's it used for?

[Anonymous No.16687332]

>>16687310
a lot of electronics use cobalt, its used in some types of high end rechargeable batteries and in a lot of other tech related fields. A lot of the worlds cobalt comes from African slave labor and companies are trying to move away from these sources but new mines are about 10 years away from being opened due to regulations and exploration needing to be carried out.

[Anonymous No.16687343]

>>16687332
What are some good cobalt mining companies to look into? Any with any good history?

[Anonymous No.16687402]

>>16687343
hard to say i havent looked any of them up in a while. Most of the companies you will come across are "junior" mining companies looking to get their projects brought to market by bigger companies. heres one for an example, not bad set of properties but not going anywhere soon. https://www.firstcobalt.com/projects/greater-cobalt/

Tesla recently bought into the areas around Cobalt Ontario as well to have better access to cobalt for their batteries. Heres another company as well https://www.batterymineralresources.com/projects/cobalt/canada-cobalt/

[Anonymous No.16687505]

>>16674188
the silver gold ratio says otherwise fren

[Anonymous No.16687529]

>>16674188
>gold
Lmao
Useless shiny rock
Silver is more practical and the price will eventually reflect that

[Anonymous No.16687539]

>>16686152
silver ain't gonna moon but it will reach ATH in the next 5 years.

[Anonymous No.16687546]

>>16687529
gold is still used in electronics mate and were going to need a lot more of it if were going to be building space ships any time soon.

[Anonymous No.16687843]

>>16687010
>not coomstock load
you had one job

[Anonymous No.16688019]

>>16673995
Anyone know anything about Australian silver rounds here? My local bullion guy has a lot of it coming in from Perth Mint, and at a lower price than the Maple Leafs, Liberty's, etc. Any particular ones to look out for? I buy for both collecting and investing purposes.

[Anonymous No.16688187]

should i buy a rolex skydweller? i got 20 oz of gold and 500 of silver i want to diversify and buy a rolex since they hold and gain in value too.

Or should i buy a monsterbox of silver? The monsterbox of silver would be nice but a rolex would boost my social status and maybe open up some new opportunities.

[Anonymous No.16688261]

>>16688187
Get da rolex nigga!

[Anonymous No.16688333]

>>16688187
Get a Rolex if it makes you feel more accomplished, bro. Men function this way, no point fighting it. You shouldn’t talk about your stack, you can’t show it to anyone, but a Rolex speaks for itself.

[Anonymous No.16688521]

>>16688187
>>16688333
i can't show my stack to anyone and my stack is hidden in vaults etc. i can never see it. With the rolex i get something that i can see and use in everyday life and it retains it's value so my networth won't take a cut but if the recession is happens next year i would have like 16k less to invest and i could miss out a silver moon mission.

[Anonymous No.16688529]

>>16679310
Because they are jealous that someone makes his own decisions and decides to go against the normal sheep ways of living

[Anonymous No.16688900]

>>16676712
lol nice, next bullrun I'm cashing out via silver and not €
fucking BASED

[Anonymous No.16689415]

>>16688019
Kookaburra coins are a safe bet. Older ones fetch a huge premium.

[Anonymous No.16689523]

[Anonymous No.16689526]

[Anonymous No.16689533]

[Anonymous No.16690238]

>>16673995
bump

[Anonymous No.16690246]

Do coin shops in US or Canada barter?

[Anonymous No.16690250]

Oh no guys, i just lost my stack on a boating accident. I really hope no one takes my IP and logs this information

[Anonymous No.16690289]

>>16676712
>$23.60 US per oz of silver
Where's the appeal here? No tax and free shipping don't nearly make up for the premium.

[Anonymous No.16690296]

>>16690246
I'm going to have to call my local guy. I'm really considering trading in some gold for a monster box of silver eagles or maybe maples since the premium is lower on them.

[Anonymous No.16690309]

>>16690289
i pay that much all the time i got like 7,7% VAT here in Switzerland but it is still worth to exchange monopoly money to real money. If it would moon to 100$ you would still have a 4x.

[Anonymous No.16690331]

>>16673995
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T7BlJmNCT2w

[Anonymous No.16690346]

>>16690309
As it stands I have far better options for buying. 30% premium is absolutely insane, I feel like I'm getting ripped off with 10% premium.
>>16690296
But would you ever do something like walk into a shop and offer $17 for a coin that is listed at $17.50?

[Anonymous No.16690391]

>>16688521
Rolex watches are for stupid niggers.

[Anonymous No.16690405]

>>16690309
Which dealer do you buy swissanon?
I bought rhodium at degussa and they are raping me with the offer they make to buy it back. approx 35% below spot.

[Anonymous No.16690430]

>>16690309
Why dont you buy from Estonia?

[Anonymous No.16690537]

>>16690346
>and offer $17 for a coin that is listed at $17.50
That's the best I can do.

[Anonymous No.16690598]

When's fiat blowing up so my shiny rocks can become a good purchase?

[Anonymous No.16690626]

>>16686983
>Where can I learn more about assaying/prospecting for silver and gold?

One day at my wagecuck office job I was bored and dreaming of finding a way out, so spent all day researching this very thing. I ran across this plebbit post from a guy who found a half lb of nuggets with a metal detector.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Prospecting/comments/4782tj/half_pound_of_gold_my_best_nuggets_from_winter/

Naturally, everyone in the comments wanted to know where, but he would only say "desert southwest." I prospected this user's post history to find several hints, and a few mentions of a user on gold prospecting forum called "Bedrock Bob." Eventually, I tracked down Bedrock Bob - interesting character - and he too was reluctant too divulge locations, but I found one reply from Bob to someone asking him where he prospects:

>... I had a dream one night. I dreamed we were all angels. Bearded angels floating over the desert on gossamer wings. We were searching and seeing with eyes that allowed us to see through the ground. PI eyes that made the smallest specs sparkle and glitter in the dirt. In my dream I could see the hills and a familiar skyline. It was home. Sierra Diablo. Sierra Animas. Sierra Caballo. Sierra County. No mysteries there. The old timers found it there and that is still where it is at. The dream only tells us what we already know. All that is left is the sweat. The angels just won't do the work for us. Neither will the Boy Scouts, darn those little duffers.

The location was Sierra County, NM, specifically near the old mining town of Hillsboro. The bad news is that it's extremely difficult work, and unless you really have a knack for it you'll make more working at the Hillsboro gas station than you will digging for shiny rocks in the ground.

[The devil No.16690642]

>>16690626
Thanks for this, I just want something to do when I get rich off linkies. I don't really feel like working at a gas station for fun.

[Anonymous No.16690656]

>>16686516
Is this your lease?

[Anonymous No.16690698]

>>16690642
You're not going to get rich off shitcoins

[Anonymous No.16690740]

>>16690656
was doing some work for other people at the time but kept some samples for my own notes. Its an amazing property I am not sure why the owners aren't exploring it further.

[Anonymous No.16690772]

>>16690626
a lot of that course gold is angular and filled with vein material, its called reef gold, it came right from the source. Lucky dude I ve only ever seen that once at a site north of Atlin. Visible gold is great but you usually only see thin particles, its really really rare to find a solid reef like that.

A good spot to look for one though is near the ghost town of Toroda in Fairy County Washington. Look up "The Lost Golden Plate Ledge". Its one of the last true undiscovered mines in the Northwest / West Coast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFeGyPJzf2o

[Anonymous No.16690856]

>>16690740
Maybe you can hit them up a see if they want to sell it, sometimes for whatever reason people don't have the time/money or have something else they are focused on and you can get a good deal. Although sometimes it's the opposite and people will demand some ridiculous price and hold onto leases until they die.

[Anonymous No.16690877]

>>16690856
its a major company that owns a huge section of land, they wont give it up any time soon, their just being silly about where they do their exploration work.

[The devil No.16690893]

>>16690698
Your wife is cheating on you, she never loved you.

[Anonymous No.16690953]

>>16690405
I bought in degussa too you should try to sell it online to other people that don't want to buy the degussa prices.

i ordered on swissbuillon.ch too the delivery took 1 month i tought i was getting ripped off but i got my stack. Geiger Edelmetalle is good too.

>>16690430
Online? where and how?

>>16690391
ok guess i am a stupid nigger then

[The devil No.16690977]

>>16690953
Guess you are. You are going to regret such a dumb purchase one day. They are like sports cars, only other dudes notice them.

[Anonymous No.16691102]

>>16690977
a sports car depreciates a rolex doesn't it. The prices for rolex watches will rise 6% the next year. So if i would buy tomorrow i would automatically make a 6% gain just for buying it tomorrow instead of next year.

[Anonymous No.16691194]

>>16690877
Yeah big guys have got the cash to just sit on projects forever, juniors who change focus like a woman changes clothes are ripe for the picking though, especially the cash strapped ones.

/biz/ junior exploration company when?

[Anonymous No.16691214]

>>16691194
lol /biz/ building a junior mining company... could actually make money

[The devil No.16691346]

>>16691102
It's just another kike scam. I guess if more idiots keep buying them then you are not wrong.

[The devil No.16691354]

>>16691214
How could we do it? Can I be an executive officer? I am honest I can do some audits.

[Anonymous No.16691376]

>>16691194
I am a geologist. Use to do shallow environmental geophysics. Autists can do it!

[Anonymous No.16691380]

>>16691354
i am not sure really how it would work lol the regulations on junior exploration companies is kind of crazy due to all the scamming done in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.16691389]

>>16691214
we just need a name, dubs decides, remember we may have to explain it when we're in a boardroom meeting with a top ranked TSX company one day

[Anonymous No.16691396]

>>16691376
Perfect now we just need an area of focus for exploration.

[Anonymous No.16691423]

>>16691389
/biz/silver or something like that to start off?

[Anonymous No.16691512]

>>16691380
I'm not sure what country would be the easiest to have the head office in or how international shareholders would work, im in australia so i've got that covered exploration wise, you can look after canada operations, staying private is the way to go, i think you need at least 4 million to go public, I've looked into it over here apparently you can offer shares privately to up to 20 people without triggering financial regulations like doing a prospectus.

We could possibly just set up 2 companies and have the directors and shareholders linked via a contractual agreement, I'm not sure how decision making would go either, I think you can either get professional consultants to mediate or I've seen some professional independent directors will sit on a board for like 20 to 30k a year to show up to a few meetings and help decide on issues.

[Anonymous No.16691514]

>>16679383
except in our modern case stocks are being propped up by the fed money printing so they are tending to be overvalued, same with real estate.

[The devil No.16691517]

>>16691423
Silver frog.

[The devil No.16691526]

>>16691423
Maybe a more jewish name so we will have less of a hard time. We must all change our last names to sound jewish as well.

[Anonymous No.16691761]

>>16688521
Metals don't moon in recessions. They spoke during the flight to safety, but that's it. Only palladium is going crazy. Gold is being manipulated by the government to discourage and shake retail investors out of holding real specie.

[Anonymous No.16691779]

>>16688521
>rolex
>watch
Jesus christ you are a dumb motherfucker

[Anonymous No.16691860]

>>16691517
i like this this will work

[Anonymous No.16691897]

>>16691512
here in Canada the rules are similar i ll do some digging however if your doing anything to do with mineral rights you need what ever work you have done yourself to be vetted by a geologist or consulting firm thats not connected to you to corroborate your results. Thats the only costly / pain in the ass around here to deal with.

[Anonymous No.16692240]

>>16686152
> i got guys inside federal reserve

[Anonymous No.16692322]

>>16690953
i use Europeanmint.com you get silver coins below 18 euros, you do have to pay for shipping though but no vat so its worth it. Never had a problem with them so far, most times its the delivery drivers being braindead cunts

[Anonymous No.16692373]

>>16691423
Silver Nigger

[Anonymous No.16692394]

>>16692373
SilverChads™

[Anonymous No.16692448]

>>16692373
Do you think the printers will say anything when we get the business cards made up?

[Anonymous No.16692535]

>>16692394
Replace the Queen with Chad on our Coins, call them KrugerBased and have a bull instead of a gazelle

[Anonymous No.16692764]

Lads, the Federal Reserves repo bullshit has me a little concerned and I'm tempted to FOMO into 1oz. of gold and a 10 oz. Brittania silver bar. Convince me not to.

[Anonymous No.16692834]

>>16692535
call them KrugerChads instead

[Anonymous No.16692947]

>>16692764
do it

[Anonymous No.16692988]

>>16692764
Do it, but not for FOMO because that's retarded. Do it because owning PM's is safe as fuck and future you will be grateful.

[Anonymous No.16692996]

>>16690250
Same here. Sucks, man...

[Anonymous No.16693380]

Why do countries even press gold and silver coins to sell to people?

[Anonymous No.16693458]

>>16693380
Potential of a huge Capital Gains Tax for them.

[Anonymous No.16693477]

>>16693458
But I bought coins minted by a foreign mint
They dont gain shit from me specifically

[Anonymous No.16693493]

>>16693380
>not knowing the nature of commodities and the fortune to be amassed in speculation

[Anonymous No.16693534]

noticing that PMG threads are consistently getting the most replies. bull run imminent. everything is already too overpriced. even costco stock can't break $300 top. silver and gold looking like screaming buys at this point.

[Anonymous No.16693556]

>>16692764
damn that's a sexy bar.

[Anonymous No.16693567]

Why is nobody talking about Palladium? This shit just wont stop rising.

[Anonymous No.16693672]

>>16693567
The current bull run is a massive cockblock, also good luck selling palladium quickly. It’s difficult for an average person to get rid of large amount.

[Anonymous No.16693704]

>>16693534
2020 seems to be the year. Especially with US elections, Brexit and the bubbly stock/real estate markets. I’m almost tempted to take a loan and buy even more gold and silver.

[Anonymous No.16693741]

Are there any good portfolio softwares? Something open source so I know the jews arent watching me.

[Anonymous No.16693813]

>>16692834
>>16692535
>>16692394
This is unironically a good name

[Anonymous No.16693829]

How do you guys store your metals?

[Anonymous No.16693984]

Silver will be 18 doll hairs EOD

[Anonymous No.16694021]

>>16693556
oh fuck yea. the I posted a 100 oz by mistake but the 10 oz looks identical

[kihohuim No.16694036]

>>16693984
stack until 48$ per, if it breaks over 50 and holds for 21 days keep stacking, if it doesnt hold 50 off to the coin dealer

[Anonymous No.16694171]

>>16690346
35 percent here, it rather buy gold at 2

[Anonymous No.16694415]

>>16687505
The wedge is broken.

[Anonymous No.16694515]

>>16684091
Still better than almost all stock markets. (Russia got wiped out, China went to zero, most of europoor probably also got outperformed or went full commie) US stocks were probably the only ones that escaped the century without a flaw.

[Anonymous No.16694665]

>>16693829
unironically I buried a bunch of bullion in a steel box and I put another chunk of it in a vault hidden in my house.

[Anonymous No.16694797]

>>16694665
ah it's my fellow director bro back, i did some research and here in aus private companies can have foreign directors and shareholders, i think it does trigger some rules, but I also found some exemption applications for auditing requirements for small companies, the best way to go about it though would talk to some cheap online business consultant and setup a company structure with all the right paperwork, i think a few people that posted before were geologists and auditors as well.

As for the geologist vetting, canada might be more strict but here you only need that if you're a public listed company or making statements to the JORC ( in canada it's NI something ) code, otherwise you can put a big disclaimer saying it's not JORC verified.

[Anonymous No.16695002]

How am I doing lads? Started stacking 4 months ago.
Have 25oz in bars and these are my coins
no bully pls

[Anonymous No.16695080]

>>16695002
keep going m8, your doing gods work

[Anonymous No.16695124]

Should you open a business or something before buying silver? Or land? How do you prioritize your investments before buying silver?

[Anonymous No.16695164]

>>16695002
As everyone always says, you're way ahead of 99% of the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.16695199]

>>16694797
well at the moment i am working for a major company on contract over the winter, I monitor these threads a lot because I love showing off crazy ore samples, I really do think creating a junior exploration company would be a fun project and could make some serious money. The only issue is finding a few other guys, some more geologists and lawyers for it too work.

I need to do a lot more research about it in the mean time, I know Canada's mining / investment laws can be really fucking nuts when it comes to mineral investment.

[Anonymous No.16695266]

>>16695199
Im interested. engineer in canada if that fucking matters at all.

[Anonymous No.16695267]

>>16695080
>>16695164
Thx anons.
You guys think I should buy more gold or more silver?

[Anonymous No.16695277]

>>16695199
Yeah I'm not really in a position right now to do it serious either, but I'll keep an eye on these threads , in another 6 months or so I should have some free time to look into it more seriously and even have some money to put into it.

[Anonymous No.16695326]

>>16695002
check out these
https://monumentmetals.com/10-silver-rounds-at-spot.html
https://silvergoldbull.com/10-oz-silver-gold-bull-silver-bar
https://www.providentmetals.com/buy-silver-at-spot-price.html
https://www.jmbullion.com/starter-pack/

[Anonymous No.16695407]

Do you guys just buy bars or does anyone buy the cool looking coins like the panda ones?

[Anonymous No.16695429]

>>16693380
They get money for it, and are just going to confiscate it back within 5-10 years anyway. When they confiscate they'll swap you for fiat at a much lower price point than it's worth, plus they'll slap capital gains tax on top of that lol

[Anonymous No.16695497]

>>16692764
100oz Britannia bars are by far the best 100oz bars available because of their short length and thick thickness.

[Anonymous No.16695501]

>>16690405
That was a retarded purchase. Rhodium is going to dip hard.

[Anonymous No.16695504]

>>16695407
Buying Panda's for anything other than collector value is dumb, they don't even weigh a full troy ounce and the premiums are nuts.

Bars are more an American thing, generally there's less tax fuckery in Europe with coins because they have a face value. As an example, Britannia's are CGT-free in the UK because it's technically currency.

[Anonymous No.16695713]

>>16695501
the production of Rhodium has been behind the need for the metal for 2 years and the next new mine is coming online in another 2 years, I cant see the price going down any time soon.

[Anonymous No.16696090]

>>16695407
I've been buying some older Pandas

[Anonymous No.16696125]

>>16674188
Buy both. Boomers flee to gold while silver has its positives too.

[Anonymous No.16696275]

Buy Rhodium

[Anonymous No.16696534]

>>16695326
Anything like this for canadians? Only silvergoldbull has spot deals from what I can find.

[Anonymous No.16696876]

>>16693672
Just get paper palladium then. Paper is more liquid for trading anyhow.

>>16693704
2019 was the year though...

[Schiff Will Win !!L6zziHG8/KZ No.16696931]

>>16695407
I mostly buy monsterbox ASE’s
But it is good to have some bags of 90% coins and bars, bars are better bang for your buck coins are more trusted and liquid, ASE’s especially, always go above spot
Heavy bars are insanely nice but not as good as coins imo, coins are more liquid
Rounds are same as bars, always cheaper than coins

[Anonymous No.16697120]

>shit's gonna get delivered when im not home
If someone steals it im gonna REE

[Anonymous No.16697382]

>>16695002
Cool looking 5oz rounds, anon.
Keep stacking
>>16695124
>Should you open a business or something before buying silver?
There's no reason for you to have an arbitrary goal to meet, before buying silver. Just start buying it, it's very easy.

[Anonymous No.16697451]

How hard would it be to sell a 100 ounce bar of silver?
If nobody buys when I sell all I have is a shiny rock

[Anonymous No.16697468]

>>16697451
Put it this way: the bigger the unit, the easier to fake.

[Anonymous No.16697493]

>>16697468
So I should buy a shit ton of silver grams?

[Anonymous No.16697498]

>>16697493
Lol no, you should stick with reputable dealers and buy in smaller weights (1oz,2oz,5oz,10oz, etc)

[Anonymous No.16697506]

>>16697498
Wheres the cutoff in weight though?

[Anonymous No.16697537]

>>16697506
Probably a good idea if you don't go above 10oz in weight.
Much more liquid, and like this anon said >>16697468

[Anonymous No.16697615]

>>16686152
This is cult-tier delusional. Almost on the same level as believing that sucking some guy claiming to be the next Messiah's penis will unlock eternal salvation.

[Anonymous No.16697629]

>>16697615

[Anonymous No.16697890]

>>16697615
So silver wont make me rich enough for girls to fuck me?

[Anonymous No.16697901]

I have joined the gold hoarding master race.

[Anonymous No.16697972]

>>16695267
How much money can u spend on gold and silver? Gold-Silver-Ratio is atm in favor for silver(around 1:82).Historically it was 1:15.Not sure when we will see this ratio again but even a 1:40 ratio would be great.Silver is extremely cheap und the 10 biggest silver mining companies have mining costs of 16$ per ounce.if the price would fall under this price, they would stop mining.So if u wanna speculate go in silver physically.

[Anonymous No.16698060]

>>16697901
Based, Krugerrand too instead of the shitty Canuck leaf

[Anonymous No.16698261]

>>16697506
90%coins coin weights or 1oz your choice

[Anonymous No.16698435]

How do taxes work with metals? Does uncle sam know how much I bought from JMBullion? Should I track price paid or spot price?

[Anonymous No.16698938]

>>16697901
Based, it feels so fucking good to hold a real wealth in your hand.

[Anonymous No.16699849]

post stacks.

[Anonymous No.16699880]

>stockpiling silver because of technological demand
>stockpiling silver in case of shit hitting the fan
how does it compute? there wont be any demand when the fiat system crashes.

[Anonymous No.16699958]

>>16699849

[Anonymous No.16700040]

I haven't got anywhere to safely and reliably store actual physical metals and won't do for a long time. Is it a bad idea to buy stocks in metals instead?

[Anonymous No.16700124]

>>16699958
if you can't hold it, you don't own it

[Anonymous No.16700154]

>>16700124
oh that's original. kys retard

[Anonymous No.16700168]

>>16700124
>>16700154
>paying capital gains on your trades.
>paying etf expenses to SPFR.
American Eagles can be bought and sold with no capitals gains. So the physical holder wins in all aspects here.

[Anonymous No.16700201]

>>16700168
people who buy physical love it so much that they never sell and end up dying with it. then your next of kin blows the money once they pawn it.

[Anonymous No.16700252]

>>16700168
>American Eagles can be bought and sold with no capitals gains
What the fuck? Completely fucking false retard.
https://finance.zacks.com/capital-gains-american-eagle-coins-taxable-3604.html
>American Eagle coins are classified as collectibles by the IRS. The long-term capital gains tax rate for collectibles is 28 percent. At the time of publication, other types of investments are taxed at a 15 percent rate for long-term gains. Short-term gains for all types of investments, including collectibles, are taxed at your marginal tax rate.

[Anonymous No.16700374]

>>16700154

He's right though.

[Anonymous No.16700416]

>>16700252
So when the commies try to take it, ill melt all my American coins. Deal.

[Anonymous No.16700716]

>>16699958
When was gld at $3?

[Anonymous No.16700731]

Just a quick heads up to all federal agents and boot lickers... I'm never selling.
You can get your capital gains for Tel Aviv.

[Anonymous No.16700773]

what's the best place to buy in the uk?

[Anonymous No.16700855]

>>16697537
I still want to have a one kilo silver bar though. Maybe when I get my tax refund back.

[Anonymous No.16701727]

>>16676950
High interest debt. Leave mortgage debt for later

[Anonymous No.16701776]

Got a new good paying job

Should I just pay off my CC debt (couple thousand) and then stack silver? Seems like the correct play because the next recession will likely be a debt crisis.

[Anonymous No.16701792]

>>16700252
>implying i'll report when i sell them

[Anonymous No.16701846]

>>16691102
it's speculation just like anything else. if we have a recession the market will be flooded with rolexs as people try to raise quick capital to stay afloat.

[Anonymous No.16702218]

>>16700731
*from

[Anonymous No.16702313]

>>16701792
Boating accident?

[Anonymous No.16702320]

>>16702313
no my house burned down thank god my insurance covered them :)

[Anonymous No.16702485]

>>16702320
you might fool the government but you will absolutely never fool the insurance company

[Anonymous No.16702900]

>>16702485
the insurance company are literal dumb asses

>t. my house (rented) burned down last month

[Anonymous No.16702978]

>>16686053
how is it dropping right now? the dip down to $16.5 around the start of Dec was the last dip, i think. we're going higher from here into Feb. $18 today is still extremely low.

[Anonymous No.16703079]

I have about 14k in cash. I've been flirting with the idea of buying silver but I haven't pulled the trigger. Should I invest in silver? If so how much? All in?

[Anonymous No.16703262]

>>16702900
Their people on the ground are intentionally dumb and powerless. Their lawyers are not.

[Anonymous No.16703268]

>>16703079
put 8k into bullion if you feel up to it

[Anonymous No.16703293]

>>16703262
i wish the lawyers had been giving a reason to get involved
my policy got maxxed but I could have gotten so much more

also remember local FD's are corrupt as fuck.

[Anonymous No.16703392]

>>16691517
>>16692373
>>16692394
One of these. I’m down for some prospecting.

[Anonymous No.16703400]

>>16703293
what did the fd do? I have never dealt with them so i am curious

[Anonymous No.16703438]

>>16703392
the only issue is if any of us had claims in north america it would mean not being able to do anything on them for 6 months of the year. Winter is a pain in the ass for small scale companies. Australia would be where to look but even then the rainy season is a pain too.

[Anonymous No.16703653]

>>16703079
All in silver, don’t be a pussy

[Anonymous No.16703933]

>they said it would ship today
>HASNT SHIPPED
REEEEEE
GIVE ME MY SHINY ROCK

[Anonymous No.16704040]

>>16703079
7.5k gold, 2.5k into silver. Save 4k cash for when the price dips back down in February/March, 2020.

[Anonymous No.16704055]

>>16697901
Krugerrands are the best gold coins but they’re so expensive for me in Canada because sales tax is applied to all gold coins below 24karat.

[Anonymous No.16704111]

Since the SilverChads Mining Corp. is officially in development stages. I request a comfy supervisor job. Here's what you'll get from me:
>hey goy, GET BACK TO WORK. Boss man's house isn't gonna renovate itself.

Salary is negotiable but if any silver goes missing don't come asking me.

[Anonymous No.16704177]

>>16704111
Unironically since I’m the geophysicist of the group I decide the name. And I’ve long decided on Silver Nigger. Not working under any other name. Logo will be the black dude and the white guy on the left only. The nigger will be pressed in while the white guy is just outlined. Serial numbers on everything.

[Anonymous No.16704339]

>>16704055
Why are Krugerrands popular? Just curious.

[Anonymous No.16704437]

Gold/silver shooting up another leg right now

[Anonymous No.16704463]

>>16704339
They’re the most produced bullion gold coin after all nations in the world stopped producing gold coins in the 30’s. I reckon they’re popular because they look nice and South Africa back in the day produced the most gold.

[Anonymous No.16704469]

What the fuck was that????

[Anonymous No.16704486]

BRACE YOURSELVES FOR THE JPM SLAM.

[Anonymous No.16704508]

>>16699880
You mean there won't be any demand for an asset with no counter party risk at a time when everyone will be afraid of counter party risk? Interesting idea, let's see if it pays off, cotton.

[Anonymous No.16704556]

Dammit, this USD/PM detachment is no joke. FUUUCKK, I wish I had more fiat to trade for real money.

[Anonymous No.16704648]

>>16704556
Yes. It truly is time.

[Anonymous No.16704893]

>>16673995
You missed out on Bitcoin
You missed out on Ethereum
Your gonna miss out on Chainlink

[Anonymous No.16704919]

>>16704893
All digital illusions of wealth, not real wealth

[Anonymous No.16704943]

>>16704893
I hold both crypto and silver, nice try. Link is a meme used to distract you from the coins from actual staying power like btc, ltc, eth.

[Anonymous No.16704955]

>>16704943
with actual*

[Anonymous No.16705038]

>>16704955
no xmr
ngmi

if btc is digital gold, then xmr is digital silver

[Anonymous No.16705051]

It keeps going, when will JPM find out?

[Anonymous No.16705054]

>Want to get into silver market
>Want to buy sunshine mint silver bars because of authenticity verification
>All sunshine bars sold out everywhere
>Price of silver shoots up 21 cents outta nowhere

[Anonymous No.16705080]

>>16704919

Your right. Theres no money to be made in the digital age.

[Anonymous No.16705084]

Is it time for fiat to die?
I thought I had more time
I only have 5 ounces of silver

[Anonymous No.16705100]

>>16704943


You do realize LINK is the only project in Crypto that has been in a multi-year up trend starting in the middle of the bear market.

I like BTC
I like ETH

But cmon. There is no value in LTC. The creator sold his whole stack. Not just partially. Not 1/2, not 3/4. All of it. why are you still holding litecoin.

Once you figure out where the crypto space is going then you will realize there is no other choice other then Chainlink.

[Anonymous No.16705106]

>>16705100
The only real choice is BitBean and Palladium bars

[Anonymous No.16705130]

>>16703438
We are pretty lucky here, in the goldfields there are areas that have decent access with 4wd for most of the year, up north gets blocked easy during rain season, the only problem it's hot as hell, I don't really mind as I work in it anyway, and have got a portable aircon/generator, but you have to be careful, every year a few prospectors get lost and die in the heat.

>>16704177
Well we really do need a geophysicist so we can't afford to piss you off, what sort do you specialise in? I know places where I can hire the gear and I can do the surveys myself and acquire the data, Im guessing you got the software and the big brain to interpret it all?

[Anonymous No.16705145]

>>16705100
There is no value in it to you because you're a newfag. Ltc is also on every exchange. Just admit you got memed hard into link, everyone knows it's a meme. Should have sold link when it hit 33k - 39k sats or $4 bucks.

Anyways, how much silver to make it?

[Anonymous No.16705158]

>>16705145
>how much silver to make it
Enough to make it unsafe to store in your house

[Anonymous No.16705179]

>>16705145


Sir, im on biz meaning Ive been hodling LINK since 2018 at .25c.

Diversified some in the first projects using LINK. But only 1/3 of my portfolio.

Anyone that knows LINK understands its the golden ticket.

Yes, hold your silver and enjoy a 3x - 5x over the next 5 years while Chainlink does another 20x in 2020.

[Anonymous No.16705186]

>>16705179
>brown ID
shoo shoo bad pudoo
go back home and poo in loo

[Anonymous No.16705245]

>>16705145
>Anyways, how much silver to make it?
All of it

[Anonymous No.16705256]

>>16704111
I really do think that once I am done working this contract I am going to start working on getting something like this together. There are hundreds of abandoned / forgotten silver properties all over western Canada, the US and Australia that we could make money off of simply by processing the tailings piles. There are old mines in the Kooteny region bordering Washington that produced 2-4 thousand ounces of silver per tonne, and tens of thousands of tonnes of ore was just abandoned when the markets tanked. It is doable and we should be the ones to do it!

[Anonymous No.16705260]

I might post my updated stack this coming weekend If I feel like hauling all this shit out of its hiding spot.

[Anonymous No.16705294]

>>16705260
Astronomically based, what's your current holdings and how long you been stacking?

[Anonymous No.16705305]

>>16705260
It's a bit deceiving seeing that junk silver layed out like that, make it look like you got alot more weight than you do. You need to do what I need to do now that you've got a lot of decent collectible stuff to look at, time to focus on liquid weight. I also hope you didn't over pay for the proof stuff, pretty impressive stack regardless, I'm not far behind you friend. I'm shooting to buy Greenland someday, kek.

[Anonymous No.16705322]

>>16705305
>I also hope you didn't over pay for the proof stuff
I might have at the time but that was in 2001-2006 so I still did okay. Same goes for the three slabbed $10 Eagles.

[Anonymous No.16705343]

>>16703400
The results of the investigation came back as inconclusive
it was a fucking gas leak, i could elaborate but the point is that they were protecting a local company that blew up the house. My landlords were fuckheads and the company were fuckheads and so I lost 200,000k in items

[Anonymous No.16705350]

>>16705322
Pre-33 gold is always a good buy, even the graded ones because they're so rare to begin with. Yeah man, my purchase plan for adding to my stack will be at least one monster box of ASE, gov backed 10oz silver bars, U.S minted gold/platinum if they don't blow up in price. Might dabble in some cheap commodity stocks too. I can't see how this plan is not bulletproof.

[Anonymous No.16705441]

>>16704893
Crypto is dead bro

[Anonymous No.16705624]

NOOOOOOOOOOO WHY IS IT PUMPING IM PRICED OUT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.16705765]

>>16705054
The 10oz is still available on apmex

[Anonymous No.16705809]

>>16705441

You can't be that stupid.

Ok, even if you aren't smart enough to invest and know what Chainlink is. You must at least have known about Bitcoin.

Let me ask you. How much is Gold or Silver up compared to Bitcoin.

Is everyone here in it to get rich or you guys just holding metals to pass on to your grandchildren.

[Anonymous No.16705817]

>>16705809
Im holding silver cause when 2008 happens again Im not gonna be cucked
>herp why not buy BTC then?
Shiny rocks dont need the internet

[Anonymous No.16705846]

>>16705817
ok, How much did silver appreciate in 2008?

[Anonymous No.16705959]

AAAAAAH why is it pumpiiiinggggg i wanted to buyyyyy

[Anonymous No.16705978]

i wish it were spring i want to get digging......

[Anonymous No.16706010]

>>16705959
Anything under $20 is good breh

[Anonymous No.16706191]

I been thinking about buying some gold lately as an investment just not sure what to buy gold bars ,gold coins or some jewels or a little of everything obviously not all at once

[Anonymous No.16706195]

>>16706191
Depends where are you from. Read about your local laws and taxes on precious metals. Government-issued coins are usually a good idea.

[Anonymous No.16706438]

>the only real wealth is gold and silver because my YouTube guru says sooo!!!!
Fuck this is stupid. You should have a variety of asset classes if you aren’t powerful enough to manipulate the world with a keystroke or some such thing. Some people would say land is more valuable. Or water rights. Shit land ownership has long been a thing that separated rich from the peasants.

>>16705817
>Shiny rocks dont need the internet
Based
>when 2008 happens again Im not gonna be cucked
Cringe. Appalling recency bias, an event the likes of which has occurred twice in US history, 80 years apart. 1980’s style fear of inflation seems more realistic but still doubtful.

[Anonymous No.16706532]

>>16705130
I worked shallow environmental geophysics for a bit. Stuff like mapping contamination plumes, mapping sinkholes, levee tegrity, mapping top of rock etc.

We start by doing seismic to locate out depth of bed rock. Depending on the area 2D lines spaced 50-100’ would would.

Come back and scan the area with a 2 or 3D electrical resistivity imaging. This can map rock also. SuperSting R8 is a bad bitch I like to fuck wit.

[Anonymous No.16706741]

I just purchased 200oz of silver. I hope I don't get shitted.

[Anonymous No.16706835]

>>16706741
You will. It's gonna dip over the next few days.

[Anonymous No.16707008]

bump