/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.16499017]

What's your answer to this?

[Anonymous No.16499026]

>>16499017
don't plan on making McDonalds a career.
/thread you dumb nigger faggot kike

[Anonymous No.16499030]

My answer is that those numbers are probably accurate.

[Anonymous No.16499032]

Here come the corporate bootlickers

[Anonymous No.16499038]

>>16499017
How about a picture

[Anonymous No.16499040]

money doesn't follow the gaussian distribution

[Anonymous No.16499041]

I would rather starve to death than work at McDonald’s

>>16499032
I was gonna say here comes the FAGGOT but you’re already here

[Anonymous No.16499042]

>>16499017
That one employee is responsible for making a burger or taking an order.
That one CEO is responsible for the welfare of the entire company and right around 1million employees.
If you can't wrap your head around that, it's because you are too low IQ and will remain a burger maker/order taker.

[Anonymous No.16499049]

>>16499017
one is responsible for flipping burgers the other is responsible for managing one of the largest real estate companies on the planet. Nothing wrong with this and nothing to see here. Move along.

[Anonymous No.16499052]

>Median employee
Only responsibility is not losing his phone in the fryer
>CEO
responsibility for millions of pajeet that don't manage to not lose their phone in the fryer

The answer is plane and simple, replace humans with machines in the primary, secondary and most importantly tertiary industry

[Anonymous No.16499055]

>>16499017
>There are currently 210,000 McDonald's employees in the world
>If you divide the CEO's ENTIRE $21,700,000 salary by 210,000 it equals $103
>which means that if the CEO were to sacrifice his salary for the sake of paying his employees better he could only afford to give them an extra $8.60 a month

You can eat the rich, or you can eat their burgers and shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.16499057]

>>16499017
Executive bonuses can get out of hand yes, but take anyone from the bottom 80% workforce of MacDonald's, put them in the CEO position and the company would collapse. The CEO (and anyone else really) meanwhile could easily flip burgers.

The capitalist system has flaws, but a MacDonald's employee can always save money, learn skills, and make shrewd decisions to escape these flaws. Complaining about a system makes sense in an authoritarian regime where you are disallowed social mobility, not in a capitalist system where literally anyone can, through their own will, advance and thrive. And that doesn't mean it won't always be easy, or equally hard, but that's just life. Nut up and shut up.

[Anonymous No.16499070]

>>16499017
thats pretty good.
Higher the risks, higher the pay.
A normal employee can be replaced easily, unlike the CEO.

[Anonymous No.16499084]

>>16499017

Is this total compensation or base salary (unlikely). Huge difference, granting him stock options doesn’t affect the value or salary of the employees at all.

[Anonymous No.16499088]

socialists will ruin america.

[Anonymous No.16499090]

>>16499055
>McDonald's and its franchisees employ approximately 1.9 million employees
Get your numbers right anon. You have to count franchises too as they fall under the umbrella of the McDonald's main corp.

[Anonymous No.16499101]

>>16499017

the CEO can loose it all

[Anonymous No.16499105]

>>16499032
here comes that faggot that cant live on his own so he spends his life working for others and crying why hes paid so poorly. if youre low IQ you live a shitty life, thats how life works

[Anonymous No.16499122]

What a bunch of litteral cucks in this thread.

We have a name for these : Useful idiots. Keep defending your corporate overlords until they delocate offshore, keep lobbying for minimum taxes and shit while your living standard keep decreasing.

But don't worry, you're right, you'll definitely win the increasingly screwed rat race and win over the others 50 millions idiots like you competing for scraps.

[Anonymous No.16499129]

>>16499057
>not in a capitalist system where literally anyone can, through their own will, advance and thrive.

LOL

[Anonymous No.16499130]

trick question, there is no question being presented by the picture

[Anonymous No.16499137]

>>16499122
>delocate offshore
Hello low IQ burger flipper! Keep screeching about how you are getting screwed by the man while the rest of us prosper and make it!

[Anonymous No.16499138]

>>16499101
no what the fuck are you even saying

[Anonymous No.16499139]

What's wrong with that? Inequality is natural.

[Anonymous No.16499143]

>>16499122
The problem is that McDonald's has too many employees, smoothbrain.

[Anonymous No.16499149]

>>16499042
That CEO is responsible for the decline of McDonald's these past 2 years. Lol. That bitch needs to step down, or share the wealth with the people at the bottom. The
lack of care + inequalityy is a major reason why I haven't been to mcd in 5+ years

[Anonymous No.16499161]

just 30 years ago one would think that the West won the cold war and that communism/socialism was a dead concept

Tempora mutantor

[Anonymous No.16499177]

>>16499149
You obviously have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Guessing you are also a butt hurt low IQ burger flipper.

[Anonymous No.16499192]

CEO has much much much more responsibility

[Anonymous No.16499195]

>>16499149
>That CEO is responsible for the decline of McDonald's these past 2 years. Lol. That bitch needs to step down, or share the wealth with the people at the bottom.
>The lack of care + inequalityy is a major reason why I haven't been to mcd in 5+ years

[Anonymous No.16499199]

>>16499192
He has a comfy job and gets everyone to do things for him. His only actual interest is to inflate his own stock via stock buybacks and keep shareholders happy. That's it

[Anonymous No.16499205]

No one is forcing you to work at McDonalds. That is my response.

[Anonymous No.16499208]

If McD and other fast food chains offer:
- organic grass fed beef
- no growth hormones
- no GMO
- no hydrogenated oil in buns/sauce
- no corn syrup in sauce
- no preservatives/artificial coloring
I would consider eating there again

[Anonymous No.16499217]

>>16499017
Easy, your salary corresponds to how many people in the world are capable of doing your job.

Everyone can work at mcdonalds, but very few human beings can run an international global organization that creates the structured system that allows everyone to work at mcdonalds.

[Anonymous No.16499219]

Average McDonalds worker is some part-time teenager, of course they ain't going to make shit.

The CEO, their entire life revolves around it. Every action, every waking moment, they have to avoid fucking interns and making massive decisions.

Plenty of difference.

[Anonymous No.16499249]

>>16499017
>What's your answer to this?
McDonald Employe's salary isnt 7k per year c'mon dude. Other than that the CEO part
Taxation a bit more?

Wealth inequality is legit problem and It's highest that it's ever been to current times. I didn't agree at first when I was dumbass libertarian, after looking at what top economists had to say, apparently I agree. I think we can create a higher bracket of taxation and then tax them a bit more. Most of the money a lot of rich people have goes into assets, like houses, bonds stocks etc. All these assets are overprices and a lot of rich people still have a lot of money. Rich people's money grows exponentially, while poor people's wages have been stagnant.

A lot of these idiots here are like 'HUR EMPLOYYEES DUM CEO GOOD"
The truth is, we have to live in an environment where we give opportunities to everybody. A little more tax to give more opportunities to unfortunate/low IQ people is overall improvement to our society.

[Anonymous No.16499259]

>>16499249

[Anonymous No.16499272]

>Wealth inequality is legit problem and It's highest that it's ever been to current times. I didn't agree at first when I was dumbass libertarian, after looking at what top economists had to say, apparently I agree. I think we can create a higher bracket of taxation and then tax them a bit more. Most of the money a lot of rich people have goes into assets, like houses, bonds stocks etc. All these assets are overprices and a lot of rich people still have a lot of money. Rich people's money grows exponentially, while poor people's wages have been stagnant.
>A lot of these idiots here are like 'HUR EMPLOYYEES DUM CEO GOOD"
>The truth is, we have to live in an environment where we give opportunities to everybody. A little more tax to give more opportunities to unfortunate/low IQ people is overall improvement to our society.

[Anonymous No.16499289]

>>16499272
Imagine being this much of a bootlicker, run along now kiddo, uncle Bezos's cock needs a good sucking.

[Anonymous No.16499294]

>>16499017
supply and demand
low level low IQ low responsibility burger flippers are in high supply and low demand
high level high IQ high responsibility managers are in low supply and high demand

[Anonymous No.16499295]

>>16499017
?

Mcdonalds workes are coddled. They work in AC they have rights

[Anonymous No.16499299]

>>16499017
That’s not accounting for the fact that the majority of people who work in McDonalds restaurants are part time and only work 2 shifts a week

[Anonymous No.16499301]

>>16499249
The only thing we need to fix is that i can be a rich man that buys a banana for 160k and then write it off my taxes when i donate it to a museum for 10x that amount.

But again this money would just be wasted by the government giving literally braindead monkeys jobs so only if we cut down government jobs too.

[Anonymous No.16499321]

>>16499289
waaaaah im an incompetent useless NEET that brings nothing of value to the world. gib me money now waaaaaaah

KILL YOURSELF

[Anonymous No.16499336]

>>16499038
I'm not a commie, I just think we should eat the rich because it makes me better off. Isn't that capitalism? You're a weak fuck that likes being treated like shit.

[Anonymous No.16499369]

>>16499336
capitalism is about private property

"eating the rich" is about plundering

[Anonymous No.16499371]

>>16499017
Buy UPT, never worry about it again.

[Anonymous No.16499378]

>>16499205
For many, the option is low wage mcdonalds work or hold a sign in the middle of a busy intersection

[Anonymous No.16499387]

>>16499301
>But again this money would just be wasted by the government giving literally braindead monkeys jobs so only if we cut down government jobs too.
Why are giving jobs to people bad? Would you rather them being homeless druggies who rob people at knife point? As long as they're doing their jobs that's better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.16499390]

>>16499336
>i just think we should eat the rich because it makes me better off. isn't that capitalism?

[Anonymous No.16499407]

>>16499272
Nice argument.

[Anonymous No.16499416]

>>16499321
> implying your not the same
ok LARP

[Anonymous No.16499418]

>>16499387
oh yeah lets give 100% of our resources to the government so they can pay half of the population to dig holes and the other half to fill them up

[Anonymous No.16499419]

>>16499017
>1 CEO
>$21,000,000

>375,000 employees
>$7000 each
>$2,625,000,000

Why are CEOs so under payed?

[Anonymous No.16499421]

ITT: brainlets seething at the fact that they lost the genetic lottery. back to the fryer double digit brainlets. oh and i left a surprise for you in the WC go clean it up retarded wagie

[Anonymous No.16499423]

>>16499390
>i think we shouldnt eat the rich because one day I might be one of them! (you wont)

[Anonymous No.16499432]

>>16499418
>oh yeah lets give 100% of our resources to the government so they can pay half of the population to dig holes and the other half to fill them up

We don't do that though. Nor was that my argument.

[Anonymous No.16499438]

>>16499122

I’m already wealthy and you’re a fucking loser. Let me break it down for you:

Say you drop the CEO pay for McDs by 90%. Congrats, you’ve just lost access to the best managers on the planet, but that’s ok. I’m sure someone who is worth $2m a year can’t be that big of a fuck up right? Wrong.

There have been numerous instances where the top minds in business have nearly destroyed global titans with multi-hundred year corporate histories due to one or two very bad high value decisions.
Then guess who else loses their jobs? That’s right, the 1million assholes who are making a lowly $7k a year from their part time fry cook job, plus all the land owners and managers and stock holders who are left out to dry. The economic implications of that $18m a year pay cut amount to billions upon billions in economic consequences. And what’s worse? The burden of these losses will inevitably be shouldered by the taxpayer in the form of social safety net liabilities. You’re fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.16499446]

>>16499423
>if grog not top, no one get to be top. grog destroy society and plunges it to dark age cause grog not top. once grog go to top other grogs mad cause they not top so they destroy society again. all very tiresome for grog

[Anonymous No.16499452]

>Man in charge of the world
vs
>Idiot in charge of french fries

Looks like it adds up to me

[Anonymous No.16499453]

Mmmmm that's some good boot. Btw you're all retarded

[Anonymous No.16499457]

>>16499321
Whats wrong with that? Thats why we need Yang. NEETs need assistance as well

[Anonymous No.16499482]

>>16499208
GMO is actually fine. Better than the alternative which is drugs and pesticides.
If genetic modification was more acceptable and prevalent, production would become safer in all respects and cheaper in the long run. The effects may even end up seeding new bio-technology in healthcare for humans.

[Anonymous No.16499486]

>>16499122
A sane post finally

[Anonymous No.16499500]

>>16499482
you have to go back retard

[Anonymous No.16499550]

>>16499137
Useful idiot.

>>16499143
Since when ?

>>16499438
(((Wealthy))) but basic uneducated fool spouting the low class neoliberal propaganda bullshit.

>Teehee Let me cut you wages and put them even more in my pocket so you can keep your jobs, you would understand right ??

Fucking retarded indeed. Hope you're at least really wealthy.

Next time richies make the economy better for the common man instead of fucking him over for his own gain., please call me back.

[Anonymous No.16499568]

>>16499446
Show us your bank balance buddy. I'm sure you're living it up

[Anonymous No.16499589]

>Hourly employee
>Salary

Don't they mean wage?

[Anonymous No.16499608]

https://youtu.be/RY0R0NpIdQQ
this video shows the difference in IQ between the "bootlickers" and the retarded commies/socialists in this threads.
you're all losers and will forever remain that way, double digit IQ subhuman trash

[Anonymous No.16499613]

>>16499137
>>16499438
Look at these fucking delusional temporarily embarrased millionaires kek
you sheep have zero evidence to back any of the garbage that ypu write

[Anonymous No.16499623]

>>16499017
>including part time workers
go start your own business, even entitled libtards can do it

[Anonymous No.16499634]

>>16499017
CEO salary seems too low, he deserves more

[Anonymous No.16499643]

>>16499321
says the useful idiot making 80k working 60hour weeks with 1 week of annual vacation

[Anonymous No.16499652]

>>16499017
Running a multibillion dollar global company is harder and more valuable than a lazy nigger or spic flipping burgers and cleaning toilets. Pretty simple actually.

[Anonymous No.16499673]

>>16499017
raise the minimum wage

[Anonymous No.16499704]

>>16499673
>raise the minimum wage
there shouldnt even be a minimum wage, if you cant bring generate enough value to make someone pay you a living wage the world has no use for you and you should die of starvation. simple as that

[Anonymous No.16499717]

>>16499017
Thou shalt not covet.

[Anonymous No.16499726]

>>16499704
You're never paid based solely on what you produce. There's always a negotiation. You're ultimately paid as little as management can get away with which is almost never proportional to the value you add

[Anonymous No.16499734]

>>16499017
>the fate of the entire company is on their shoulders
>they're the face of the company and have to meet other crazy rich people
>they're the first to get blamed if anything goes wrong if it the stock prices go down

[Anonymous No.16499771]

>>16499017
create A.I to automate the jobs of the 1.9 million employees, licence it to mcdonalds for 75% the annual cost of paying all those employees, let the CEO pocket the savings, corner the market on fast food franchise automation, sleep like a baby.

thats my answer.

[Anonymous No.16499776]

>>16499734
>therefore they should be paid 300 000% what the worker does
Just listen to yourself

[Anonymous No.16499795]

>>16499734
>they're the first to get blamed if anything goes wrong if it the stock prices go down
yeah, total bummer. if the board fires the ceo, I guess just walk away with $20mm and few million in stock bonuses and try to scrape by.

[Anonymous No.16499802]

>>16499776
The investors pay them that much. They don't kick open the company cash register and run off with the money you tardo

[Anonymous No.16499808]

>>16499726
if its a shitty min wage job that even a monkey can do at almost maximum efficiency sure, since the supply of unskilled labor is fucking unlimited
but if its a skilled job there will always be competition. employers compete for high skilled labor which inevitably raises your salary to near the value you produce

[Anonymous No.16499814]

>>16499802
Yeah keep punching that straw man. You're sure to win in the end

[Anonymous No.16499820]

>>16499814
The investors want to make as much money as possible. if they could pay the CEO $0 they would.

[Anonymous No.16499826]

>>16499808
Yes, because high skilled labor are better positioned to negotiate and won't settle for bottom tier wages. How is that an argument against raising the minimum wage?

[Anonymous No.16499828]

>>16499776
yes. youre effectively the CPU of the entire organization. Most everyone else is at best an LED.

[Anonymous No.16499835]

>>16499808
>since the supply of unskilled labor is fucking unlimited
that's not true though. nothing is unlimited, especially in more rural areas. but when corporations import millions of unskilled workers, well, you eliminate the ability of the unskilled worker to negotiate or retain any bargaining power. that's the entire goal and reason the border has remained unguarded for decades.

[Anonymous No.16499849]

>>16499017
>thinking a burger flipping nigger is worth anything
literal 15 year old could do your job u stupid commie faggot the same goes every other minimum wage job. If u make a ''career'' over a minimum job u deserve everything to you ,useless faggot.

[Anonymous No.16499859]

>>16499820
CEO comp is set by the board of directors. Investors can vote, sure, but realistically there's only a handful of institutional investors with any real sway. You're deluding yourself if you think average joe picking stocks has any impact.

I'm not sure why you're even bringing this up. The question is how you can justify paying the ceo 3000 times what the average worker gets

[Anonymous No.16499869]

>>16499859
>The question is how you can justify paying the ceo 3000 times what the average worker gets

Because they do a more important job
/thread

[Anonymous No.16499870]

The problem with all the arguments to the effect of "hurr durr it's capitalism, you're free to do what you want. Why don't you start your own business, muh bootstraps, lazy low iq etc etc" is that they are ignoring scarcity completely. It wouldn't be possible for everybody to start their own business or come up with a million dollar idea or successfully invest. Of course there is inequality like this because the system is based on inequality, and it has nothing to do with social darwinism or laziness or low iqs. Also you do realize a ceo of a huge corporation like this is doing very little actual work, right? He isn't muh small business owner, he isn't grinding everyday to keep his business afloat, he is doing nothing and letting people under him handle everything. If you are going to defend capitalism at least acknowledge economic reality and stop acting like it is a system where everybody can make it without being born into wealth, having connections, or being extremely lucky. You are all so deluded. Literal stockholm syndrome.

[Anonymous No.16499877]

>>16499870
>Of course there is inequality like this because the system is based on inequality, and it has nothing to do with social darwinism or laziness or low iqs.

Wrong. Talent is not equally distributed. Nature is inherently unequal. Low IQ Africans will never be as successful as high IQ NEETs

[Anonymous No.16499894]

>>16499869
But why 3000 times? What justifies that exact number?

[Anonymous No.16499904]

>>16499870
>Source for all that rant:Straight outta my ass
Commies get the bullet nigger, its pretty simple or did u faggots actually think u could really inspire anyone at /biz/ of all boards.

[Anonymous No.16499918]

>>16499017
The median employee doesn't even work half as many hours as the CEO

[Anonymous No.16499920]

>>16499894
Actually, CEOs salaries are all over the place. It's not set at "3000x the lowest person's salary"

[Anonymous No.16499924]

>>16499904
>If you dislike powerful people exploiting their position you're a commie.
Yeah, brainlet confirmed.

[Anonymous No.16499929]

>>16499894
value is subjective

any more questions?

[Anonymous No.16499933]

>>16499920
See
>>16499017

[Anonymous No.16499942]

It makes me sad to read all the bootlicker comments. I make 200k so I'll be fine either way but I once worked at McDonalds and I know it's shit and I'd gladly help them hang the CEO, working class people deserve a more dignified life

[Anonymous No.16499949]

>>16499894
Because they can. In capitalism the people who have the capital make the rules and of course they're going to take as much as they possibly can get away with.

[Anonymous No.16499957]

>If you dislike powerful people exploiting their position you're a commie.
>Yeah, brainlet confirmed.

[Anonymous No.16499965]

>>16499929
Imagine you're climbing a mountain trying to reach some peak, but when you finally get there the view is shitty, you're freezing and wet and your only thought is that you regret even starting. That's how it feels talking to you people

[Anonymous No.16499966]

>>16499957
McDonalds employees should be happy they even have a job. CEOchads could just replace them all with machines

[Anonymous No.16499968]

>>16499017
They probably employ a ton of high school kids who work part time or weekends only which drives down the median.

The CEO makes a lot due to economies of scale not exploitation. If you divided his salary by the number of workers they'd probably get something like 1$ one time a year.

[Anonymous No.16499971]

>>16499965
???

[Anonymous No.16499976]

>>16499949
Yes, that's right

[Anonymous No.16499992]

>>16499971
Whoosh I guess. Let me clarify: you formulate nothing. "Value is subjective" doesn't mean anything

[Anonymous No.16499995]

If you want a serious philosophical answer to this question, I would refer you to John Rawl's two principles of justice, specifically the second.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/#TwoPriJusFai

[Anonymous No.16500003]

>>16499968
If you divided up the CEO's Salary and gave it away each employee would get 57 extra dollars per year. If you include franchise employees it becomes $11

[Anonymous No.16500006]

>>16499992
>Whoosh I guess.
opinion discarded, u have to go back.

[Anonymous No.16500013]

>>16500006
>Using common expressions makes you a plebbitor.
Way to weasel out of a losing argument gramps

[Anonymous No.16500025]

>>16499957
i hope all corporations automate all their low skill jobs and the with the margin of profit fund death squads to put to death all thu unemployed. you arent entitled to nothing in this life

[Anonymous No.16500030]

>>16499992
I can justify why 2 + 2 = 4 but I can't justify why I fap to traps

because the first is objective and the second is subjective

[Anonymous No.16500042]

>>16499042
There are two problems with the original numbers. Firstly, the worker isn't working a full 40 hours per week because $7,017 is about $3.50/hour which is less than half minimum wage.

As for the CEO's salary, that is excessive because large corporations in the U.S. grossly overpay their mercenary executives. If the CEO is that capable of creating value, why not pay him $600,000/year with another two million dollars in stock (no options)? It's because the vast majority of CEOs are very low quality managers and do not create any measurable business value beyond what any other person would create. The super performing CEOs: Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Howard Schultz, Fred Smith, etc., can easily become very wealthy by running a company very well and holding on to the equity.

Remember that crucible of "great" management: General Electric? How's old Jackie boy and his cronies looking now after the shell games they've played have run their course and there is nothing left to plunder?

[Anonymous No.16500047]

>>16500030
Well, the beauty of the topic at hand is that we're actually discussing numbers; not your personal faggotry

[Anonymous No.16500048]

>>16500013
>implying that i was the guy u were arguing with
way to out urself as a newfag aswell as R*dditnigger. maybe u should have noticed the Ids before you decided to come here thinking u would look smart infront of ur cockgobbling faggot friends in discord.

[Anonymous No.16500059]

>>16500048
You're defending the same position. And you're obviously very angry

[Anonymous No.16500063]

>>16500042
Ironically the only person CEOs often steal from is the business owners themselves.

[Anonymous No.16500075]

>>16499017
If you work at McDonald's, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.16500089]

>>16499017
Get rid of the Jewish

[Anonymous No.16500106]

>>16500059
>You're defending the same position.
Theres nothing to defend when we dont really have any opposition, or did u really think u were gonna change the world any way coming here? if so you´re even more patethic than i imagined. Im just here to shitpost/baitpost as much as i can. Because this is a garbage thread that brings nothing to /biz/ and deserves it

[Anonymous No.16500109]

>>16500075
This

[Anonymous No.16500144]

>>16500106
So you're a grown-ass boomer trolling a business board. That's cute.
>Because this is a garbage thread that brings nothing to /biz/ and deserves it
It's sad you'll never understand the irony in this statement

[Anonymous No.16500168]

>>16500106
Also: if you don't think discussing corporate governance is a valid topic it really reveals how little business experience you actually have. If I didn't know better I'd almost guess you've never even taken a business class... But surely that can't be right

[Anonymous No.16500187]

>>16499776
>>16499814
>>16499894
It's not the salary of a ceo is fixed. It's based on how much the company itself makes supply demand.

[Anonymous No.16500208]

>>16500144
>Everyone who disagress with me is a boomer
Wanna know how i know ur a nigger? U just dont see the irony in ur own posts, yet u keep trying to sound smart. Suicide im afraid is ur only option, newfag.
Also check these trips.

[Anonymous No.16500213]

>>16500047
let's try this: what would be justifiable amount of money a CEO should earn and then justify your figure

[Anonymous No.16500224]

Why is everyone just accepting the blatantly wrong median salary. I've looked around and cannot find anything anywhere near as low as $7,000. Where are you getting this info? Who is lying to you? The lowest I could find is $15,080 per year for Staff Member to $68,000 per year for Operations Consultant. And the CEO brought a $7.91M salary at the highest its ever been.

[Anonymous No.16500225]

>>16500144
You seriously sound like you're about to cry LMAO

[Anonymous No.16500243]

>>16500168
>Also: if you don't think discussing corporate governance
NOOOOO IM NOT A FILTHY COMMUNIST.
BUUT BUSINESS SHOULD NOT BE PRIVATE AND BE ABLE TO CREATE THEIR OWN SYSTEM, IN THEIR OWN COMPANY
>>it really reveals how little business experience you actually have
It sure does zoomer, btw u have to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.16500250]

>>16500213
No no no, the burden of proof is on you to justify the thing that is actually happening in the real world today (7k for worker, 21M for ceo). Let's not get sidetracked

[Anonymous No.16500275]

>>16500243
Hey another straw man. Guess that's your go to when you realize you're too dumb to go on

[Anonymous No.16500292]

>>16500250
since value is subjective, there is no way I can justify it

[Anonymous No.16500305]

>>16500292
Ah well, you tried.

[Anonymous No.16500315]

>>16500275
If u dont like ur job u are always free to quit. Minimum wage fools who can easily be replaced with machines arent exactly in any position to complain to the topman at the company. Why dont u take ur pointless arguments and shove them up ur moms hairy cunt.

[Anonymous No.16500316]

>>16499017
Stop jealous u fuckin fg . Study , work hard , think differently, network and make it like the rest of em , u dipshit..

[Anonymous No.16500329]

>>16500305
dang it! if only value were objective!!!! :-((((( I guess you win

[Anonymous No.16500331]

>>16499017
I just want my $1 McDouble I dont give a shit how much money any of them make.

[Anonymous No.16500353]

>>16499017
>low iq retards with barely any responsibilities should be paid even remotely as much as the fucking CEO

[Anonymous No.16500362]

>>16499017
the CEO deserves it for keeping this massive multibillion dollar organization running so they can provide steady, generous wages to the lazy retards they hire to work menial tasks on the front lines. those lazy retards on the ground should be thankful they have the opportunity to learn about the food industry and get paid for it.

Not that those retards will ever be able to hold a real job anyways, most of them are inexperienced teenagers that produce at the same level as any adult working front line.

[Anonymous No.16500369]

>>16500362
>the CEO deserves it for keeping this massive multibillion dollar organization running so they can provide steady, generous wages to the lazy retards they hire to work

Running a company isn't hard. They deserve maybe 2x what I make at mcdonalds.

[Anonymous No.16500376]

>>16500315
>Minimum wage fools who can easily be replaced with machines arent exactly in any position to complain to the topman at the company
That's the point isn't it. They would be in that position if we had a mandated minimum wage or unions (which I think is a worse solution). Don't be dense, I'm in favor of automation. If McD's or whoever decides that robots are cheaper than hiring people at higher wages then so be it, new jobs will be created.

Trickle-up economics would fix this country. Useful idiots will make sure that never happens

[Anonymous No.16500384]

>>16499017
the CEO will make more than 21.7m to the shareholders, that’s all

[Anonymous No.16500399]

the most obvious risk is that his ass is on the line if the company does some kind of serious mistake. rank and file employees just get fired, he could end up in jail

[Anonymous No.16500417]

What’s the point of these threads? It’s mostly 5-10 of them in the week. All with some reddit tier pic or a platitudinous phrases and 150+ posts literally none of them worth the read. It’s like homeless crack addict discussing how to do open heart operations

[Anonymous No.16500424]

>>16499423
holy fuck you're retarded

[Anonymous No.16500432]

>>16500369
>Running a company isn't hard.
why don't you try it out and see how that goes for you.

[Anonymous No.16500436]

>>16500329
Ok since you seem to need it, let me spoon-feed you. The board of directors make a subjective judgement of what numerical value should be put on the work the CEO does. However, when that subjective judgement produces results like 300 000% more pay for the CEO than the average worker we should question the soundness of that judgement. Like what influences them to decide on that number? Why isn't the CEO paid more in stock options which would incentivize him to do a better job? Does the CEO and other management influence the boards' judgement? Now here's the kicker:

The value can be subjective, but that doesn't mean it's immune from scrutiny
Do you follow?

[Anonymous No.16500440]

>>16500432
I didn't inherit money from the capitalist overclass so It's impossible for me to start a business.

[Anonymous No.16500443]

>>16500417
Communism doesn't just happen. It takes years of propaganda to work people up to the point of violent revolution.

[Anonymous No.16500445]

>>16499017
that's how much empoyees want to make. if they wanted more money, they would just become a ceo.

[Anonymous No.16500465]

>>16500440
>>16500369

If you're going to gaslight you should maybe do it from another IP. Holy shit

[Anonymous No.16500478]

>>16500465
What are you talking about? You need to defend your views and stop making excuses.

[Anonymous No.16500497]

>>16500478
I am defending my views! Your views, however, seems to have done a 180 during the course of this thread. Hmm...

[Anonymous No.16500542]

>>16500436
Retard, did you read the SEC filing?

Stock Awards: $5,301,249
Option Awards: $5,318,329

Non-equity incentive plan compensation
Annual: 3,473,925
Long-term: 5,623,644

The guy makes $1.3MM salary
$10MM was equity/options
Long term comp is $5.6MM, suggesting he doesn't have access to it now, probably a deferred compensation plan which is only accessible after retirement.

That leaves $5,517,830 as possible annual dollar compensation.

You're acting like that bullshit OP post isn't clickbait, but it is. Do the math yourself instead of believing "statistics"

[Anonymous No.16500563]

>>16500436
what do you mean from 'scrutiny'?

[Anonymous No.16500581]

>>16500497
imagine flexing closed-mindedness

[Anonymous No.16500589]

>>16500497
No you aren't

[Anonymous No.16500616]

>>16499017
I can tell you've either had no job before or have never held a position of importance. The CEO contributes a lot to McDonalds keeping the sails up and the ship above water. This is why he gets paid more than brainlettes ghetto niggers to remember the big mac sandwich assembly order.

>Hi Welkum to MacDonnalds can I take yo Oder ?
>Yes mam I will have a #1 with No Pickle
>You sayd you want Xtra Pickle
>No Mam No Pickle on the order
>Okaay We can do that pull up to second window
>I literally pull up
>Here you go - Tyrone hands Lawanda my food bag
>Coke is there
>Fry oil has not been changed all week
>Burger Lettuce is rotten
>Extra Pickle
>Poverty Wages
>Fight For 15

You were warned to stay in school anon

[Anonymous No.16500629]

>>16500616
cringe capitalist
Those niggers have very high IQs.

[Anonymous No.16500650]

>>16499294
based. if CEO was an easy or low risk job they could save a lot of money by paying less for someone else

[Anonymous No.16500669]

>>16500629
I once received a cheese burger which was contaminated with sheboon nigger hair. It wasn't even like they put it in there on purpose it was just poor nigger hygiene.
>Fight for 15

[Anonymous No.16500673]

>>16500542
Ok so he only made 15M in comp. And his exit package was only 42M when he was booted earlier this year. I guess that's fine then, he's obviously paid what he's worth the same as the employees.
Do you see how ridiculous that is? No wonder you have communists and socialists popping out of the wood-works.

[Anonymous No.16500695]

>>16500581
That's not the point. He's trying to make me (and the few on here who agree with me) look like anti-capitalist communists with his posts.

[Anonymous No.16500715]

>>16500563
It means saying that saying the value is subjective is not a justification in itself

[Anonymous No.16500770]

>>16499017
>looked mom I posted a commie thread on biz again XDDDDD
kys

[Anonymous No.16500792]

>>16499017
it makes sense, you are just a worker, he owns the business
if u work for MacDonalds, suck it up.

[Anonymous No.16500904]

>>16500792
>the CEO owns the company
There really should be age restrictions on this board

[Anonymous No.16500939]

I love reading redditors complain how they can't take care of their 3 kids because people won't leave them tips.

Imagine thinking you can afford 3 kids as a fucking waiter kek.

[Anonymous No.16500959]

>unironically implying it's unfair that one of the single most important positions in a multinational megacorp empire is valued higher than each of the hundreds of thousands of anyone-can-do menial jobs

Lmao

[Anonymous No.16500979]

>>16500959
>Implying anyone says they shouldn't be paid more
It not about more dummy, it's about how much more

[Anonymous No.16501001]

>>16500792
>he owns the business
Stop posting selfies, fuckin retard

[Anonymous No.16501003]

>>16500979
As someone who actually worked a mcJob I can tell you 80% of people working there are complete fuckups, if you are someone who shows up to work everytime and can follow simple instructions you probably get the manager role super fast, that's how bad it is.

[Anonymous No.16501011]

>>16499049
not to mention median employee is part time and either a highschooler, a literal retard, or both

[Anonymous No.16501021]

>>16501003
If you pay shit wages you get shit workers

[Anonymous No.16501059]

If we're gonna scrutinize McDonald's morality, I'm more interested in the fact that they're essentially poisoning their customers for profit.

>inb4 durr what kind of biznez model poisons customers??!

[Anonymous No.16501062]

>>16501021
Now you're starting to get it. Same thing applies for CEOs retard.

[Anonymous No.16501079]

>>16499017
Friendly reminder that the founding owner of McDonald's wasn't in the burger business he was in the real estate business, that's why the CEO's are so fucking because of real estate investment you commie retard

[Anonymous No.16501091]

>>16501062
Now what is a shit wage for a CEO? 10M? 5M? How much more value can you extract from a CEO by paying him 20M as opposed to 15M? I know you think you're being clever here but it's not comparable

[Anonymous No.16501116]

>>16501059
>Eating fastfood at all
U deserve to be posioned.

[Anonymous No.16501121]

>>16501091
If it wasn't for the CEO the business wouldn't exist and you niggers wouldn't have jobs

[Anonymous No.16501126]

>>16499336
lol if that was capitalism, "the rich" would have eaten YOU a long time ago

[Anonymous No.16501136]

Fast food is gay

[Anonymous No.16501146]

>>16501121
Oh, look. Another retard
>Implying anyone says we should get rid of CEO's
Straw men, straw men, straw men. Less typey more thinkey

[Anonymous No.16501153]

>>16499387
If your idea of a job is a bribe and busy work to keep people from fucking their lives up and hurting each other, why not just hand them free money? You're going to be making up bullshit jobs to keep everyone employeed anyway

[Anonymous No.16501161]

>>16499017
Thats normal

[Anonymous No.16501163]

>>16499421
>WC
is this specific to a particular part of britain? or is it a bit archaic? I rarely hear it anymore

[Anonymous No.16501173]

>>16500979
>yfw
And who are you to say what's fair? How much Mcdonald stock do you own anyway?

A CEO position is not only ultra high stakes but also requires literally decades of experience and connections to be performed well. Only natural for it to be thousands of times more valuable than low end jobs that even a mentally handicapped teenager can perform.

[Anonymous No.16501179]

>>16501163
WC = Water Closet. Used all over Europe

[Anonymous No.16501180]

>>16499122
>offshore burgerflipping

[Anonymous No.16501183]

>>16501146
And this is why you will stay poor because you don't have the attitude of a rich person, all you niggers do is complain but never work your way up.
All you do is work for money, the rich get richer because the have money work for them.
So fucking whining and start working to learn useful professions in trade.

[Anonymous No.16501195]

>>16501173
>How much Mcdonald stock do you own anyway?
Enough to care about the decisions they make
>Only natural for it to be thousands of times more
Why? There's nothing natural about it; these are decisions that are made. They can be made differently

[Anonymous No.16501206]

>>16499589
I think wage refers to your hourly pay, and salary refers to your yearly pay, whether you're "salaried" or not.

[Anonymous No.16501216]

>>16501183
You're just rambling man, take a breather jesus

[Anonymous No.16501233]

>>16501216
I strive to be a multi-billionaire in the future, I'm not going to complain about the rich because I'll be one of them

[Anonymous No.16501253]

Here's a small tip for you guys.

Any time a blue chip stock like mcdonald's goes down over some bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with the company, just buy the dip.

This applies 10x when it's an airline and there is a scandal over some chinese doctor getting dragged from the plane.

[Anonymous No.16501265]

>>16501195
Yeah I'm sure you do. All the bigshot stakeholders redirect their complains to 4chan.

>nothing natural about it
So "natural" is code to "agreeing with my naive ignorance"?

Quit living on the moon.

[Anonymous No.16501266]

>>16499826
No one is really meant to work minimum wage in the long term. I mean you can, but you're going to live a minimum life regardless of minimum wage hikes.

[Anonymous No.16501270]

>>16501233
Having the force of personality to complain and take what you want is virtually ubiquitous in self-made billionaires. What you're talking about is slave-mentality. Keep your head down, do as you're told and don't rattle the cage etc. You're a pawn

[Anonymous No.16501278]

>>16501265
Believe what you want, not everyone on here is a NEET bagholder.

[Anonymous No.16501282]

>>16501270
>cage

jokes on I'm not working in that cage anymore

[Anonymous No.16501289]

>>16499870
>a system where everybody can make it without being born into wealth, having connections, or being extremely lucky

can you propose any system where this could be possible?

[Anonymous No.16501303]

>>16499965
yet here you are

[Anonymous No.16501311]

>>16501303
Can't help myself. One day the view may be worth it

[Anonymous No.16501343]

>>16499026
edgy

[Anonymous No.16501351]

>>16501278
Jokes on you I'm actually a software engineer and got guaranteed rising salaries and confy jobs for life. If bitcoin doesn't make me retire earlier.

But keep crying on 4chan I'm sure that'll help your shitty prospects.

[Anonymous No.16501359]

>replying to this thread and not sage-ing

[Anonymous No.16501365]

>>16501179
I know what it means, thought it was English-speaking specific though. Intredasting

[Anonymous No.16501367]

>>16501351
Congrats anon I'll soon meet you at the top soon

[Anonymous No.16501396]

>>16499017
one of them makes burgers, the other runs a company

[Anonymous No.16501419]

>>16499017
all of this anger is commling from a misconception of reality
in the defence of the plebs this is the result of 2 to 3 decades of lies fed to them by every institution of power of them for their entire formative years, additionally from a societal point of view our current system is so fucking stupid it deservers the pitchforks and guilliotins it is going to get

short version every teacher from age 3 to 23 or longer told you education and a degree is a ticket to riches, it isn't and never was
our society values ownership en entrepeneurism
our society is still largely free and fair because everybody is allwoed to start his own business, yes i am aware of growing regulatroy capture it is a problem
the current discontent is because taking a waged job is the same as selling yourself into indentured servitude, you are a medieval serf you will never amount to anything as long as you are a wagecuck, biz has been telling you this in memes for ages
the societal problem we have today is that too many people believe the lie and then at age 30-40 realize they are fucked and will be a slave the rest of their lives, this is really a big problem
you see the underclasses never matter, they don't start revolutions the competent middleclas does
and everything our society has been doing for the past 50 years is create conditions to destroy the middle class to the point where their only logical move is to burn civilization down french revolution style

so in conclusion the problem isn't ceo making a lot of cash, the problem is telling competent people starting as a mcd wagecuck will lead you to greatness eventually

[Anonymous No.16501455]

>>16501419
You have a point but if you are working a mcjob you are unlucky or a retard.

[Anonymous No.16501475]

>>16501455
The whole point of these easy fast food and retail jobs are because they are entry level and were never meant to be a long term source of income.

[Anonymous No.16501480]

>>16501419
Only boomers still believe in this shit

[Anonymous No.16501498]

>>16501419
To be fair this happens because the typical human being is hilariously gullible and self unaware.

The average person adores some form of outliers (the millionaires, CEOs, rocks tars, or whatever) who are clearly not normal people or at least did not take a normal path through life. But simultaneously, the average person has a hidden obsession with being normal, doing normal things, taking normal decisions, mocking those who attempt stray from normality.

[Anonymous No.16501562]

>>16501455
>>16501498
this is the point and the source of the problem
the average retard to whom this propaganda was targetted doesn't matter
cause in point the average mcd worker isn't complaining about this after hours he goes to get wasted on cheap booze drugs, do some tricks with a 20 year old quad and fuck some trailertrash skank
the people complaining about this are the educated liberal arts pseudointellectual who holds himself superior over the common plebs, but sees he is as fucked as they are
that is what i am trying to say old societies tried to coopt the competent and intellectual of the lower classes into supporting the system
our current society is doing its very best to entice these people to start a revolution

you must always give the competent part of your population wether high a low born a stake in the survival of the system or they will not support it

[Anonymous No.16501618]

>>16499017
start a company, work hard for many years and you will have great wealth around age 60

[Anonymous No.16501619]

>>16501618
start a company and pay taxes until you are 60
then die

[Anonymous No.16501635]

>>16501619
if you can find purpose in life without working, more power to you

[Anonymous No.16501649]

Just a reminder to the cucks trying to justify shit wages:
Fiat currency is Babylonian money magic and is one of the most evil tools of the small hats.

[Anonymous No.16501662]

>>16501635
pay the taxes to me
I will enjoy it

[Anonymous No.16501685]

>>16499055

based as fuck

[Anonymous No.16501691]

>>16499017
CEO is the boss

bosses make more

[Anonymous No.16501706]

>>16499122
A man can give any other man whatever wage he desires, he is the one with the money. Quit being envious loser

communism and socialism is the ideology of losers

[Anonymous No.16501729]

>>16499017

McDonald's is working diligently to close this gap by replacing their "median employees" with computer kiosks and robotic arms that flip burgers. I, for one, would actually eat McDonald's if it meant I get a burger made by robots without having to make eye contact with a human.

[Anonymous No.16501749]

>>16501662
you misunderstand, i don't work myself.
but i do understand that i won't be wealthy at age 60.
still looking for meaning in life but i don't want to spend my best days working.

[Anonymous No.16501801]

>>16499017
I don't mind. McDonalds is a big company, and has a lot of money to go around; and wealth isn't a zero sum game. Those workers can get money without it coming from the CEO. It's not like these tax the rich and give to the poor policies are even directed at workers. The government gives all of that money to the welfare-class, and the workers have relatively little in terms of gain from the government.

What's important is institutional changes that encourage people to develop their personal value and output, so that they can earn larger amounts. Education and apprenticeships are a big part of this. The goal shouldn't be to make McDonalds a viable career, it should be to make sure that people can get careers other than McDonalds.

[Anonymous No.16501826]

>>16501562
The people complaining are privileged as fuck, have terrible money management, went into debt to study some useless degree and decided they "need" to stay in the vibrant city where rent is $2k a month.

[Anonymous No.16501844]

>>16501801
I think in 20-30 years you won't need to leave your apartment ever, you get your groceries/food delivered on a driverless vehicle.

[Anonymous No.16501856]

>>16501749
>but i do understand that i won't be wealthy at age 60.
What?
Being wealthy by the time you're 60 is easy as fuck, just save 10% of your income or more + compound interest makes it a sure bet.

The #1 thing for making money is time

[Anonymous No.16501863]

>>16501749
watch Cosmic Disclosure

[Anonymous No.16501911]

>>16499017
>buger flipper = job that literally anyone can do
>CEO = job that almost no one can do
If only there was some fundamental principle of economics that could explain why the market for a position with an extremely limited supply of candidates could settle at a high equilibrium price for labour.

[Anonymous No.16501923]

>>16501153
Obviously the other guy was being fallacious. Government jobs aren't wasteful money. Other than that I am actually for UBI.

[Anonymous No.16501950]

>>16501856
>just save 10% of your income
>income
like i just said, i don't work.

>>16501863
how come?

[Anonymous No.16501964]

>>16501950
to find meaning dipshit

[Anonymous No.16501986]

>>16501964
ok, that doesn't say much.
why so aggressive?

[Anonymous No.16501995]

>>16501986
excuse me, I just have balls

[Anonymous No.16502013]

>>16501995
have a good evening.

[Anonymous No.16502016]

>>16501950
>i don't work.
How do you eat then?
Save the pennies your parents give you then.
I saved $20k as a neet in 3 years.

[Anonymous No.16502077]

>>16499017
literally don't work at mcdonalds, it's for kids retards and immigrants who havent learned english yet

[Anonymous No.16502089]

>>16501911
The problem isn't if a person can do that job or not, the problem is if CEO's should be able to get 20+ million dollars while low income people have a had time passing by.

Wealth inequality has proven to cause a lot of issues and we're at an unprecedented levels.

[Anonymous No.16502125]

>>16502077
What about people who couldn't afford university or college?

[Anonymous No.16502143]

>>16502016
i cant even save 20k as a retail wage cuck in 3 years

[Anonymous No.16502258]

>>16499017
Retail workers are genuinely expendable. Don't complain too much or they might just decide to replace you with a few lines of code faggot

[Anonymous No.16502284]

>>16502089
>Wealth inequality has proven to cause a lot of issues and we're at an unprecedented levels.
>unprecedented levels
Not really, things have returned to what they normally are after a period where people tried real hard to make everything as level as they could. But in general things like to do 20/80s that is, 20% doing 80% of the work, only needing to know 20% of the openers in which 80% of the people will use in chess, ect. Fighting nature isn't worth while, you have to work around it or your system based on fighting nature will eventually loose out and collapse.

[Anonymous No.16502299]

[Anonymous No.16502304]

>>16502089
The poor today live much better lives than the middle class 50 years ago.

[Anonymous No.16502360]

>>16502304
This. Most people in the West today don't appreciate the quality of life they already have

[Anonymous No.16502431]

>>16499199

>comfy job
>keep shareholders happy

Should the King not keep his court happy?

[Anonymous No.16502473]

>>16499199
Making lots of money is all shareholders care about. The dumbasses working the grill can't even manage stacking some bread, meat, cheese, and vegetables without forgetting to add things. They can't even stack it up without being askew by >30%. Honestly for $7k they are grossly overpaid for what they do and their poor performance.
Besides that you're comparing a guy working 84 hour weeks to some teenager doing maybe 16 hour weeks.

[Anonymous No.16502499]

>>16502089
cry about it nigger, it's the free market

the CEO is worth their pay whereas the average retail wagecuck is probably still overpaid at minimum wage levels

[Anonymous No.16502510]

>>16499017
McDonalds has no right to exist

[Anonymous No.16502538]

CEOs are overpaid and over-glorified. but even if we cut their salary in half it really would make no difference over what the rest in the company were paid.
there are 2 million mcdonalds employees, distributing that salary over them would be another $10 a year. lol.

[Anonymous No.16502570]

>>16499017
Stop eating McDonald's en masse and put an end to this garbage company.

[Anonymous No.16502580]

>>16502360
How is the quality of life better? Because there's more technology and convenience? That doesn't make it better. The cost of living, the value of the dollar, and the upkeep is much more complex than it used to be because life wasn't a rollercoaster in the 50's. 15% of a family's income annually was enough to pay for their kid to go to college. Today it's at around 80% of their income to pay for their kid to go.

The food quality was better then because there wasn't as many additives in what people ate as there are today. Years and years of chemicals being applied to fertilizers all across America and other parts of the world and the emerging fast food industry changed the landscape of health. Look at what people looked like in the 50s and look at what they look like now. Obesity to the moon. The poor still live in the same conditions. More people, more competition, and less to go around. Quality over quantity is not a priority anymore.

[Anonymous No.16502603]

>>16502304
>>16502360
this is really very distorted
poor people today are worse off then the 50's not because now we have ipads and they had newspapers, but rather that the security of your station in life is today very fragile
even with better material conditions a single accident or health issue could make you unemployed and bankrupt and living on the streets, back in those days even after an emergence getting a new job was easier and less dependant on previous experiences then today
better healthcare exists but only if you can afford it so evne here the tech advance is limited for poor people
the only real improvement for the underclasses compared to the 50's is in workplace safety regulations and understanding of the dangers that vapours pose

but even on a more macro scale material welbeing is meaningless for most people
human societies are deeply entrenched around relative level of social standing, this isn't even limited to humans you can see the exact same thing in monkeytroops
the top alpha monkey despite living in a tree is living a relative better life than a poor fucker in a human megacity, can even be measured in stresslevels, premature aging, life expectancy etc

[Anonymous No.16502617]

>>16499017
Good for the CEO. He deserves his salary. Poorfags will never understand

[Anonymous No.16502632]

>>16502580
>15% of a family's income annually was enough to pay for their kid to go to college
supply & demand. only reason is the population was less than half as big as it is now, and we don't need 150 million more lawyers.
> food quality
what a meme. Selection is 10 times higher now. quality control processes are much better. those 'chemicals' aren't hurting you, but you're free to buy local if you care. Obesity is caused by eating more, jesus. Just don't eat more.

[Anonymous No.16502687]

>>16502299
Seems like I am not wrong on the fact it's highest that it's ever been. The chart also kinda proves my point.
You're comparing a time when a lot of monopolies like oil, car and phone industries existed and had to be broken up because there were a lot of wealth inequality.
I am also curious on if this includes stocks CEO's are paid even more with stocks and stock buyback programs, since wealth is calculated different than income.

>>16502304
In some cases maybe in other cases no. Housing, education, even vehicles are much more costly compared to 1970's. inflation adjusted. Another fact is average wages have gone down. Here are inflation adjust of pic

>New House: $192,093.35
>Average Income: $71,325.79 per year
>New Car: $20,194.57
>Rent: $974.94 per month
>Tuition to Harvard University: $16,573.99 per year
>Movie Ticket: $8.86 each
>Gasoline: $2.66 per gallon
>First-Class Postage Stamp: $0.58 each

It's kinda shit to say "you shouldn't be able to afford housing, healthcare or kids education because the wealthiest would be able to buy more stocks with their money"

>>16502499
"it's the free market" isn't really an argument to afford basic things in life. After you grow out of your libertarian phase, you learn free market isn't a perfect system and that's why we need regulations or government programs to safeguard these issues. There are a lot of factors that aren't calculated and sometimes that causes problems.

[Anonymous No.16502698]

>>16499026
Its a pyramid scheme with all businesses, faggot. Stop trying to make it seem like these situations are rare, retard

[Anonymous No.16502706]

>>16499105
Most jobs dont pay enough to live off of, you faggot bootlicker. A system that fucks the MAJORITY over is a failure, dumb mother fucker.

If you were black and born when blacks were slaves, I bet youd be the type to dickride your masters LMFAO. The absolute state of cum munchers

[Anonymous No.16502725]

>>16502706
>dont pay enough to live off of,
then why aren't you dead?

[Anonymous No.16502759]

>>16502725
Cause of my parents, dumbass. Most people have to live with others companion, friends, family, and strangers) to survive in this shithole. Id be homeless with my job if it werent for them.

[Anonymous No.16502777]

>>16502759
have you tried working 40 hrs a week? having a roommate is pretty normal if you have no skills, or even if you do.

[Anonymous No.16502789]

>>16502777
Youre a dumbass. What part of 30% of jobs pay hardship wages dont you get? And no, im not moving in with a bunch of faggots.

It is total retardation to accept this as "normal". Talk about stockholm syndrome LOL

[Anonymous No.16502824]

>>16502789
travel to any country and yes you'll find people living with their families is normal. its only recently that people thought that uneducated morons with no skills deserve their own mcmansions at age 20. why not build your own?

[Anonymous No.16502855]

>>16499017
One is paid by hours and another is paid by results, completely different things.

[Anonymous No.16502856]

>>16502824
>travel to any country and yes you'll find people living with their families is normal.
You are such a retard. I am WELL aware about 50% of the world live in 3rd world countries. That is NOT normal. Youve just been INDOCTRINATED into being a bootlicker and thinking "this is just how it is" instead of thinking "this is how it should be".
>its only recently that people thought that uneducated morons with no skills deserve their own mcmansions at age 20.
Dumb mother FUCKER. When the FUCK did I say I wanted a mother fucking mansion? I actually would have been fine with a 214sqft home
>why not build your own?
I dont have land, dumbass. Every piece of land is located far from actual society.

Seriously. Imagine sucking so much DICK as to think it is fine that the elite have total control over this country and that you shouldnt be allowed to have a roof over your head unless you conform to them. What a sperm chugger

AGAIN, dumbass. The fact that the majority of people are fucked signals a FAILURE
>inb4 "dur hur as long as a tiny percent succeeds, the system is fine!"
imagine being this stupid and indoctrinated

[Anonymous No.16502902]

>>16502856
i bet you vote for mass importation of cheap labor LOL

[Anonymous No.16502919]

>>16502824
>serfs are a good thing since that was normal in the past
LOOOL
by that logic, if it was "the norm" for 99% of people to be slaves, that is a-okay since "it's always been a thing".

KEK!!!
The absolute state of deepthroaters

[Anonymous No.16502929]

>>16502902
Read >>16502919
:)
Youre a moron. Youre also a moron for thinking I am 100% open boarders just because I dont chug down employer cock like you do. Kek!

[Anonymous No.16502943]

>>16502919
I make more money than 80% of people, if that makes me a bootlicker then i'm okay with that.

[Anonymous No.16502958]

>>16502943
Not an argument towards what I said :)
The system is still a failure. Just because a small % succeed doesnt make it "great". VERY short sighted.

[Anonymous No.16503012]

>>16502958
you didn't make an argument. you just said cum guzzler a dozen times.
"muh system"

[Anonymous No.16503028]

>>16499208
The majority of McD customers don't care about that shit, they just want something that fills them up

[Anonymous No.16503038]

>>16499032
>here comes the government bootlickers

[Anonymous No.16503048]

>>16499129
kys

[Anonymous No.16503067]

>>16503012
False. I said this system is shit because most people fail at life. Fact
1. Discouraged workers (someone that wants a job, but gave up and hasn't applied in over 4 weeks) are NOT counted as unemployed
2. People who make HARDSHIP wages ARE counted as employed
Putting those 2 together = makes the unemployment stat look better/lower than it actually is. It is a lie that fools without critical thinking believe
44% of 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed (inb4 just do computer science as if everyone is capable of that. Even they have like a 24ish% underemployment rate for 22-27 yr olds: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_compare-majors.html
Think about that. NEARLY 1/4 cs graduates aged 22-27 will be underemployed (don't know how it evens out over time. Still not amazing though. It's around 34% when including all ages and all majors). Also 1/4 college grads make highschool wages.
7/10 graduate with 29k+ in debt.
78% of full time workers live paycheck to paycheck (*LITERALLY one paycheck away from homelessness and that is basically poverty*).*42% of americans will retire broke* (so you give up the best years of your life being someone's bitch just to retire with nothing),57%of americans can't afford an unexpected 500 dollar bill,50%of renters are cost burdened (spend over30%of their income on rent. Half of those spend over50%of their income on rent),30%of metropolis city jobs (where most jobs are created) pay hardship wages (not enough to move out with) and32%pay livable wages (basically poverty) which leaves38% that are decent (I say decent because you also have to take into consideration the toxicity of work culture. Also, some jobs ONLY pay livable or up BECAUSE of the hours put in. For instance, the average american works 47 hours a week. 49% work 50 hours or more a week. Both of which inflate the wage stats into looking better than it actually is),etc
Welcome to the "land of opportunity" (load of bullshit)

[Anonymous No.16503080]

>>16503012
Only a total RETARD thinks this society is fine and doesnt need improvements after the stats I mentioned (and there obviously more stats I can cite if I really cared enough, but I just use general big picture stats as they actually paint a picture of how people are doing unlike when dumbfucks say "gdp is up!" which doesnt actually tell you SHIT).

[Anonymous No.16503100]

>>16503038
>>16503048
Kys >>16503067
Stats btfo you indoctrinated sheep.

Main issue is real estate. I dont mind free markets. They are a HUGE issue when done on necessities (essentials for survival such as a roof over your head). Luxuries are the ONLY thing that should be a part of the free market.
This country is a shithole mainly because real estate is a for profit business.
>onb4 closed minded retard calls me a "commie"
kek

[Anonymous No.16503105]

The amount of corporate bootlicking here is disgusting. I'm glad I was born in Europe and hope that Bernie gets the nomination. The US is a fucking corporate hellscape.

[Anonymous No.16503107]

>>16503100
fyi, third post reference is me referencing myself. Noting that because retards sometimes get confused and think Im talking shot to myself (which makes 0 sense).

[Anonymous No.16503109]

>>16503080
so are you going to make everyone rich with communism?

[Anonymous No.16503116]

>>16503105
Ya. Mammals for you. Mammals are sheep. Weak people tend to fall for Stockholm syndrome a LOT. It really is sad. This is why most human beings are trash. Smart enough to do, not enough to think.

[Anonymous No.16503131]

>>16503109
when did I say that? :))))

I CALLED it. I KNEW you retards would say "c-commie!!!". kek. Read: >>16503100

Note. Im not saying the homes should be "free" either. Homes should be priced enough to break even.

[Anonymous No.16503147]

>>16503131
>i'm not a commie I just think 90% of the economy should be commie

[Anonymous No.16503162]

>>16499894
He gets paid more because:
>higher skill level
>low supply
>The amount of damage a bad CEO can cause is extremely high compared to an ordinary employee, so investors will pay extra to maximize the chance of hiring a competent CEO that won't run the company into the ground, just like how some of us may pay more for known brands instead of unknown/generic stuff

[Anonymous No.16503171]

>>16503147
>90%
real estate isnt 90% of the economy, brianlet. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

even IF it were, the fact of the matter is absolute essentials for life shouldnt be for-profit businesses. Absolute retard.

[Anonymous No.16503180]

>>16499017
i don't see a single problem here

[Anonymous No.16503185]

I have a question:

Why are there fucking commies on a business and finance board? You all obviously have no knowledge or interest in economics, free markets, or capitalism, so how the fuck did you get here and why are you still here?

The only good commie is a dead one, I hope America bombs the shit put of you

[Anonymous No.16503203]

>>16499017
That top level employee salaries should be limited to a multiple of the lowest paid full time employee. Around 40 to 50x.

[Anonymous No.16503212]

>>16499208
no onions in sauce packets

[Anonymous No.16503218]

>>16503185
>inb4 you yourself don know shit about how the economy functions but just are pretending you do to gain leverage
shut the fuck up. Also, dumbass, not wanting things needed for survival to be made for profit isnt a "commie" thing, dipshit. Making healthcare and homes for-profit is actually what leads to the immense corruption in the u.s., mother fucker. It is unethical.

Luxuries on the other hand can be priced at whatever for all I care. How cheetos can cost 1 mil a bag for all I fucking care, but when it comes to things that affect my survival, you better rest assured thats gonna piss me off for being corrupt, mother fucker bootlicker.

The REAL question is why did so many cum munching bootlickers infest this board?

[Anonymous No.16503228]

>>16503185
>Commies

Bud, the Commies died a few decades ago. There is currently no real threat to your masters system.

[Anonymous No.16503238]

>>16503171
oh so you're saying you can afford housing then already.

[Anonymous No.16503250]

>>16499049
hopefully she replaces 20% of those shit-for-brains criminally low IQ employees with robots

[Anonymous No.16503251]

>>16499017
Seize the means of production. Take the deep fryer home, and sell french frys out of my basement like a true capitalist.

[Anonymous No.16503275]

>>16503162
>CEO's
>Skilled

When will this meme end?

It's on par with the idea, that the king was appointed by God.

[Anonymous No.16503292]

>>16499129
>ignoramus who doesn't understand that sub 83 IQ people are too stupid to accomplish anything other than collect welfare and reproduce

[Anonymous No.16503301]

>>16503218
Hello you stupid fucking retard, if you want socialist healthcare and housing, leave the US, none of us want you.

American superior healthcare tech came from capitalism because, and this is gonna blow your mind: the best doctors want the highest pay. That's why our healthcare is superior and that's why it's expensive. As for property, if it can be owned, it is an asset and is subject to the free market. High demand property costs more, what a fucking surprise. How the fuck do you think housing is built? It takes work, it takes materials, it takes MONEY. Who the fuck is going to pay for your housing? The state? Hope you're ready for minimal ammenities, repairs, and maintenance because that's what you get when you give 0 incentive to the market.

Fuck you you worthless piece of shit. I hope you die in the streets.

[Anonymous No.16503304]

>>16503275

[Anonymous No.16503307]

>>16503292
>IQ meaning anything
>Highest IQ individuals sit around and play chess, and have difficulty establishing normal social relationships and networks, which prevents them from ever getting jobs

LOL

[Anonymous No.16503323]

>>16503304
CEO's are not anymore inherently skilled than burger flippers.

Posit something they are skilled at..... Embezzling money? Cocktail smoozing? Using loans to buy back stock?

[Anonymous No.16503375]

>>16503275
Back up your argument that CEOs are not skilled. If CEOs are not skilled, then why didn't the stockholders pick some random faggot who would be willing to do the job for minimum wage?

[Anonymous No.16503396]

>>16503301
>How the fuck do you think housing is built? It takes work, it takes materials, it takes MONEY. Who the fuck is going to pay for your housing? The state?
oh my GOD, youre illiterate. I answered that. >>16503131
the bottom, RETARD. PEOPLE should pay enough to cover material and labor costs.

Imagine not being able to fucking READ. Retard.

As for the healthcare thing, what the fuck makes you think we have the most superior system? Cite a source. Also Fyi, we are the only 1st world country without universal healthcare.

Get fucking destroyed, bitch. You went on a giant rant making basesless assumptions (u.s. having the "best" healthcare and healthcare system despite it financially fucking people and making them into super debt slaves even those with insurance) and failing to read how I said people should pay for it individually, not the fucking state, assclown.

Get fucking btfod, bitch. Kys

[Anonymous No.16503402]

>>16499017
The point ends on itself.
One gets paid more than the other.

[Anonymous No.16503460]

[Anonymous No.16503545]

>>16503460
FUCK!!! MCDONALD'S IS AFTER ME GUYS THEY CAUGHT ME SMUGGLING BIG BACKS TO MY COUSIN TARRENCE !!!!

[Anonymous No.16503559]

I just want fast food joints to be run by efficient machines, not retards. They're paid far too much anyway and it's a good thing they're being replaced. They should be thrown out onto the street.

[Anonymous No.16503609]

>>16503559
I bet youre one of the fatasses from those cringe vids that throw tantrums over their burgers not being perfect enough kek

[Anonymous No.16503686]

>>16499017
Salary is low because everyone and their mom wants to work at McDonalds.

[Anonymous No.16503724]

>>16503396
why the fuck would I read the rest of your retard gibberish? I just walked into a bunch of socialist retards jacking off about universal healthcare and free housing. you address nothing and pretend that you're right

>btfo
don't make me laugh. your kind has always been a worthless dredge on society and you will die poor and homeless as the free market rightfully dictates.

[Anonymous No.16503773]

>>16503724
>why the fuck would I read the rest of your retard gibberish?
Ao you critique me without reading my points? Plus it was just one fucking sentence. LOL down syndrome incarnate.

>I just walked into a bunch of socialist retards jacking off about universal healthcare
the u.s. is literally the only highly developed country without it, dumb mother fucker cum chugger
>and free housing.
I didnt say that MOTHER FUCKER. LOOL this dumbass bitch. I explained it in such a way a 5 yr old could understand and you STILL think I said "free". Jesus christ. Dont reproduce.

[Anonymous No.16503777]

>>16503559
oh man can't wait until we have a bunch of uneducated teenagers (and others) on the streets wanting a source of wealth. There's no way anything could possibly go wrong. Surely they'll just lay down and die and not start stealing from the wealthy.

[Anonymous No.16503784]

>>16503724
What exactly is your job? Going to your lack of critical thinking, I am surprised you are capable of breathing

[Anonymous No.16503794]

>>16503784
*by your

[Anonymous No.16504300]

>>16503773
>>16503784
you responded to me you dumb cunt. universal healthcare is chronically fucked if you value time and efficiency. I'm not interested in getting waitlisted by a bunch of commie bureaucrats when I'm bleeding out so they can keep their trash healthcare system. Ours works perfectly fine, unless you're a povery monkey like you I guess. I understand retards like you are incapable of critical thought beyond gibsmedat, but it looks like you can read, which is surprising for a poor worthless faggot, so you might eventually figure out that you don't know shit.

I work in investment banking by the way, I'm guessing you're a burger flipper? No wait, amazon picker. Ah who cares, you're a bottom feeder either way.

How do you feel about bankers? I bet you love to jack off to thoughts of 'winning' against your perceived oppressors. Clearly you can't win by arguing so I guess you can fantasize about the a revolution lol. You truly are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.16504335]

>>16499122
The term "Useful idiots" has always been used to describe communist traitor like you. There's two types of people, those with integrity who'll fight unfair and irrational criticism no matter who it's directed against and socialists believe in "the end justifies the means." Someone with the responsibility of managing a massive corporation should get a high wage. With the GDP per capita in America at 59000 per year, you should have no problem getting enough of that money to live well-off, unless eurocuck or CanUCK. This isn't the case for 6 billion people.

[Anonymous No.16504386]

>>16504300
>banker
that explains everything. Im at work now so I cant really destroy your anus anymore

[Anonymous No.16504394]

>>16504300
Also fyi, loterally nothing you said was a counter argument

also:
>you responded to me
why the fuck even mention something so pointless?

[Anonymous No.16504502]

>>16504300
Wait. Last response for a while. Your a dumbass if you think my idea is unrealistic. Never heard of no profits like habitat for humanity? They arent common enough. They dont quite do things the way I think is ideal, but its working. Again though, not common enough. They make cheapish homes for low income people. You being too retarded to think something is possible doesnt make it impossible, dipshit retard mother fucker

[Anonymous No.16504515]

>>16504394
>why the fuck even mention something so pointless?
because why the fuck would I read your dissertation if you responded to me? not worth my time.

>>16503185
this is me