/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.16426322]

Want a basic lesson in ecomonics? If supply goes up, demand goes down. If "everyone" has a degree, then I can pay the bare minimum to get an employee with a degree. I only have to pay a premium for degrees if degree-holders were actually rare.

[Anonymous No.16426328]

>>16426322
>What is Jevons Paradox

[Anonymous No.16426338]

>>16426322
Benfords Law in action

[Anonymous No.16426357]

clear instance of the jenastior's rubric

[Anonymous No.16426375]

>>16426322
I have a bachelor's and make a little over 15 dollars an hour. If you're not a lazy salarycuck 15/hrs can make a decent bit if you're willing to work a lot of OT.

My base salary is probably 31k, but I probably hit close to 38k. Unless you majored in Engineering or made REALLY GOOD connections, you probably aren't getting 60k right out of college

[Anonymous No.16426459]

>>16426375

[Anonymous No.16426470]

>>16426322
Then why does every Boomer hiring-manager you ever hear talking about the subject loudly complain about "how hard it is to find qualified people"?

It would be one thing if these people were laughing about how dime-a-dozen degree-holders expected better pay, but they're not. They're generally bitching and moaning about how 28-year-olds with narrow, job-specific degrees and 3-5+ years of experience aren't lining up out the door to fight over a chance to collect less than $40k in an entry-level position that deadends on promotion potential at a title like "team lead".

[Anonymous No.16426480]

>>16426322
>Want a basic lesson in ecomonics?

Universal Protocol will consume the worlds entire digital economic system.

270k to make it

[Anonymous No.16426494]

>>16426470
>Then why does every Boomer hiring-manager you ever hear talking about the subject loudly complain about "how hard it is to find qualified people"?

because they spend 12 years in high school and then go to university until they are twenty-five and never learn a useful skill besides sitting in a chair and being told what to think. You learned alot of crap, but you never learned how to apply your knowledge to new situations, such as job interviews.

I can take my jack of all trades knowledge and apply it practically anywhere to find a way to get what I want because I was tossed out of school and my home at 15 and had to figure shit out on my own.

[Anonymous No.16426499]

I have no degree and make $57/hr. It helps to not be a retard and have good people skills.

[Anonymous No.16426504]

>>16426470
Have you done any fucking interviews recently?
Middle American retards are still the Middle American retards they were 20 years ago, they just have degrees now.
It's fucking impossible to find anyone with a brain

[Anonymous No.16426525]

>>16426322
How likely is it to get caught making a company just to beef up your resume? I'm talking you go hard in the fake and make a website and even register the company name. And if you register a phone number it could be an easy pay as you go number and if anyone calls you give a fake voice.

[Anonymous No.16426533]

>>16426322
What was it? ECONOMICS?!

[Anonymous No.16426542]

>>16426322
This will only become worse when we start feeling the bern and making college free but it always be the people that cause the problem to complain the most

[Anonymous No.16426550]

>>16426525
you don't have to lie if you're clever enough. I once got a job as a deliveryman because when they asked me if I had had any traffic accidents in the last ten years, I said no.

And it was true, because in the ten years before I applied for that job, I hadn't even owned a car. Sure made the first few days interesting but I picked up driving again pretty easily.

[Anonymous No.16426556]

>>16426470
They're unwilling to take a chance on people. It's a vicious cycle

>boomer HR wants qualified people with skills/experience but doesn't wanna pay for them
>Only desperate recent college grads apply for job
>all rejected cause no experience
>Go back to grad school to increase qualifications
>now deeper in debt still with no experience
>Boomer HR still won't hire you
>position remains unfilled

All it would take is on the job training too.

[Anonymous No.16426577]

>>16426494
This is a post about your own personal axe to grind over your shitty home life, not an answer/contribution to the discussion that's actually happening.

The average Boomer middle-manager I'm talking about isn't some grizzled businessman with a degree in hustle from the school of hard knocks, gritting his teeth while lazy kids act entitled to six figures for their shitty BS. The average Boomer middle manager went to college to get a BA in Philosophy, smoked pot the whole time, and walked out into a Corporate America eager to train young people. And then by the time they were 50, these same Boomers started acting baffled by the fact that more gosh-darned lazy millenials won't just grab their bootstraps, graduate cum laude with a degree in finance, and then find some *other* company to train them for 3-5 years before they would dare to apply to an entry-level analyst gig in Mr. Boomer's dead-end bean-counting department.

[Anonymous No.16426588]

>>16426556
>boomer HR fills position with HB1 Visa because they can't find a /qualified/ native

[Anonymous No.16426595]

>>16426542
Once college is "free" and damn near everyone goes, a Bachelor's will be the new High School Diploma, and post-grad degrees will be the new Bachelor's.

[Anonymous No.16426599]

>>16426322
Doctor here the only degree worth a damn is medicine the rest are for fucking peasants that deserve no more than the minimum wage

[Anonymous No.16426606]

>>16426499
By people skills you mean giving nice blowjobs in the parking lot behind the Applebee's?

[Anonymous No.16426618]

>>16426595
>Bachelor's will be the new High School Diploma, and post-grad degrees will be the new Bachelor's.


This is already the case. I'm one of two people at my job with a college degree who isn't in management. I can't tell the difference between some who only graduated high school and someone who dropped out of HS, but the difference someone who only dropped out of college and someone who never even went is pretty huge.

I don't feel smart at all, I just know that almost everyone I work with is an idiot.

[Anonymous No.16426621]

>>16426595
You're retarded,
There's countless countries you can look at which prove this isn't the case.

[Anonymous No.16426625]

>>16426599
Build your own hospital, develop your own equipment, and deliver it yourself then faggot.

[Anonymous No.16426630]

>>16426577
To be fair just because the boomers with worthless retards, it doesn't mean that you should feel entitled to being a worthless retard with no job skills.

[Anonymous No.16426641]

>>16426577
Why would I have an axe to grind over that which benefited me? Adversity makes the man.

[Anonymous No.16426642]

>>16426630
What if 90% of jobs could be done by a worthless retard with sufficient training, and this whole system is just a hoax?

[Anonymous No.16426646]

>>16426599
represent yourself in your malpractice lawsuits fag

[Anonymous No.16426657]

>>16426642
Too bad there's a surplus of worthless retards so get over it. Either get a skill or forever be a wannabe boomer.

[Anonymous No.16426684]

>>16426657
I'd have to get a job in my field to get the skills I need to get a job in my field. Or play Russian Roulette with the military and hope they don't fuck me on MOS/Rating

[Anonymous No.16426692]

>>16426588
This is what they're looking for and the real reason they have excessive demands. Why hire a native who can walk out on you, when you can hire a foreigner that will literally lick your asshole if it means stopping you from sending them back to shit-in-street land.

[Anonymous No.16426700]

>>16426684
Well that's too bad, your skills aren't in demand. But going on Twitter and blaming the employers really isn't going to do anything

[Anonymous No.16426702]

>>16426692
That's true. I have two coworkers who are in the process of getting their green card through my work. The audit partner - everyone's boss - knows she has leverage over these people and takes advantage of it when it comes to raises.

[Anonymous No.16426714]

>>16426630
>it doesn't mean that you should feel entitled to being a worthless retard with no job skills
Correct. But who ever even says anything suggesting that they feel such a way? Criticizing the obvious stupidity of the hiring/onboarding practices of Boomer managers doesn't suggest that anybody is entitled to anything, it's just common sense.

Boomers just have a really ironic way of calling anybody who questions their unrealistic expectations (you know, almost as if they feel they deserve certain things...) some version of "entitled". Don't fall for it.

[Anonymous No.16426722]

>>16426700
I'm not going on twitter to blame employers. I'm blaming the cocksuckers like you who think the current is good just because it "werks for me".

And FYI, I have a certification test for my field in January. It's a completely unnecessary $200 test that basically only proves I went to college paid attention.

[Anonymous No.16426742]

>>16426714
The retarded hiring and application process is literally the result of an extremely overwhelming demand for a scarce number of jobs. It's not like the hiring manager created these conditions.

>Unrealistic expectations

If they're so unrealistic why have employers gotten away with these high expectations for the past decade?

[Anonymous No.16426743]

>>16426722
>>16426684
>>16426642
>>16426625
>>16426618
>>16426556
>>16426375

[Anonymous No.16426753]

>>16426357
You made this up didn’t you

[Anonymous No.16426755]

>>16426722
Lol I never said it's good. My life is shit and I wish things would change. But I'm not going to blame some guy reading my application for throwing it in the trash when he has thousands of other desperate unemployed individuals who are more qualified than me waiting in line willing to suck my dick for a job. I would do the same thing if I were in their position.

[Anonymous No.16426763]

>>16426494
You’re just BEGGING to be called a nigger with this post.

[Anonymous No.16426776]

>>16426700
>going on Twitter and blaming the employers really isn't going to do anything
This is a cop-out. What, are people not supposed to have public conversations about which ideas/practices in the culture at large are stupid or counterproductive?

Even if we have to wait until the Boomers die out for things to really start to be different, it'll still be helpful if some kind of public discourse has agreed by then that the Boomer aversion to training and developing personnel is retarded.

[Anonymous No.16426787]

>>16426755
>I'm not going to blame some guy reading my application for throwing it in the trash when he has thousands of other desperate unemployed individuals who are more qualified than me waiting in line willing to suck my dick for a job

But they probably aren't all that much more qualified than you. Unless you're applying to be an aeronautical engineer or regional manager for some big brand, a lot of jobs are just hiring for basic bitch work that has to be learned on the job anyway. I'm not even talking about industry specific jobs either, I see a lot of this bullshit stuff like used car, insurance saleman, or even administrative positions.

[Anonymous No.16426811]

>>16426742
cuz there was a recession and a lot of people lost jobs or their homes. But history is reasserting itself, especially in America where "history" is code for "massive labor shortages." Corporate America is going to have to find Jesus about training and a host of other ill-conceived policies, or a millennial workforce that was forced to learn how to survive without a salaried job is gonna just leave them to collapse.

[Anonymous No.16426853]

>>16426742
>an extremely overwhelming demand for a scarce number of jobs.
Then why are these hiring managers constantly bitching about *not having enough* people they regard as "qualified" for their entry-level tier of work, raising a stink about "entitled" this and "inexperienced" that, instead of just enjoying their pick of the litter and calling it a day? It's true that a lot of people want these jobs, but these hiring managers manufacture their own scarcity anyway because they're Boomers who don't believe in training personnel, because they struggle to see farther than a quarter out into the future.

>If they're so unrealistic why have employers gotten away with these high expectations for the past decade?
They haven't gotten away with it. Again, they're constantly whining about how much trouble they have finding the people they think they want - they clearly know they're leaving money on the table by not onboarding people with potential, even if they just can't figure out why they're struggling to find seasoned professionals with extensive resumes who are just dying for a shot at a sub-$40k entry-level job.

[Anonymous No.16426856]

>>16426776
Again, if a company doesn't have to waste resources training someone they won't. It really doesn't matter if you think it's unfair. There is not enough jobs for employers to not be absurdly discriminatory. If I was an employer, I would simply pick the lowest risk candidate.

>>16426787
>But they probably aren't all that much more qualified than you

Yeah but they can prove that they're qualified and you can't. From the perspective of a hiring manager, that's less of a risk.

>>16426811
I don't really know what you mean. If you're saying that the millennials are going to destroy a bunch of companies because they can't get hired, I mean I guess. But that isn't going to fix their problem. There will still be no demand for them unless there's a radical shift in economic policy, but the solutions presented by most of the radical millennial approved candidates are simply to punish the employers and to overqualify more worthless retards which at the end of the day won't fix anything for them.

[Anonymous No.16426878]

>>16426322
Congratulations, you figured out why (((they))) have been pushing college for everyone for the past two generations. Dismantle the university system.

[Anonymous No.16426890]

>>16426878
Can't.

humanity is like a tidal wave, you can't stop it's flow. You can elect a president every few years and claim that he's responsible for what happens over those years, but it's not true. no, there's nothing i can do about universities. I just have to let time keep flowing over us all.

[Anonymous No.16426891]

>>16426856
>There is not enough jobs for employers to not be absurdly discriminatory.
No, there are more than enough jobs. There just aren't enough people to fill them. In order to get qualified, you must gain experience/skills. To get experience, you need to get a job. To get skills, you need to pay for the skills or already have acquired them from a job. These things are hard to acquire if you don't already have a job.

> I would simply pick the lowest risk candidate.
This is why you won't make it

[Anonymous No.16426903]

>>16426853
>Then why are these hiring managers constantly bitching about *not having enough* people they regard as "qualified" for their entry-level tier of work, raising a stink about "entitled" this and "inexperienced" that, instead of just enjoying their pick of the litter and calling it a day?

Because they can, that's why. They can insult and slave drive their employees because it's a buyer's market for labor. No amount of spiteful bitching will ever change this. And in a sense they might be right, because they do have to sift through a rash or overqualified applications from people that really only have the mental capacity to till soil or scoop donkey shit but the poor economic conditions and poor priorities of certain individuals has lead to serfs and peasants entering academia.

>They haven't gotten away with it. Again, they're constantly whining about how much trouble they have finding the people they think they want -

Clearly they have, because they continue to do it. I mean if it didn't work, the private sector wouldn't do it.

[Anonymous No.16426946]

>>16426891
>No, there are more than enough jobs. There just aren't enough people to fill them.

If that were true, companies would literally be out in the street sucking you off ready to train you and offer you the world. But that just isn't true.

>This is why you won't make it

You're right man. If I was a hiring manager I should literally gamble on the fact that this recent college grad might be capable of doing the job and potentially having to waste time training them when I could easily hire some 35 year old with a decade of private sector experience and a lengthy portfolio of past work, you're correct. I wasn't aware that was a terrible strategy.

[Anonymous No.16426949]

>>16426856
>It really doesn't matter if you think it's unfair.
Who said anything about fairness? Why do you keep reading that kind of thing into this conversation, when I've done nothing but give logical reasons why the self-imposed-scarcity that characterizes the hiring philosophy among Boomers is blatantly irrational and counter-productive?

Did some geriatric douchebag bite you and infect you with Boomer-brain or something? You're having hallucinations about THIS GOSH-DARNED ENTITLED LITT- etc. that don't actually match up to the conversation that's actually occurring in front of your eyes.

[Anonymous No.16426979]

>>16426946
It is true. It's just that you're a fucking retard who is blatantly reality.


https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18301931/bank-of-america-starting-salary-pay-raise

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.nr0.htm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-employment/tight-us-job-market-not-attracting-new-people-to-the-labor-force-paper-idUSKCN1SQ24S

[Anonymous No.16426985]

>>16426979
*ignoring reality

[Anonymous No.16426988]

>>16426375
Should've taken the computer science pill like me bro

[Anonymous No.16426997]

>>16426949
It's not irrational for them to stick with what they know. They aren't hiring you because they don't see the value in you. They see you as a bigger risk. That's the bottom line. Their excessively discriminatory application process is the result of the fact that they have their pick of the litter. the only way this will ever change is if we return to an economic golden era where employers suck their employees dick rather than vice versa because high paying jobs are abundant. We don't live in that era anymore. You either keep going and busting your ass or you fall to the wayside crying about boomers.

[Anonymous No.16427006]

>>16426979
>Vox

I think it's easy to see that you are infact worthless.

[Anonymous No.16427007]

>>16426988
Nah. I have literally no interest in comp sci so I'd have washed out and hated any job I got.

I'm happy with my history degree and will eventually be teaching overseas.

[Anonymous No.16427016]

>>16426903
>I mean if it didn't work, the private sector wouldn't do it.

You're applying the Economics equivalent of the "frictionless plane" used in basic Mathematics to assert that any practice that is ever found in Corporate America *must necessarily* be optimal/sustainable.

You are WAY too preachy and condescending for a person who's operating at a Freshman level. Just stop.

[Anonymous No.16427022]

>>16427006
>doesn't even check the article
>Bureau of Labor is apparently not a reliable enough source on labor statistics

[Anonymous No.16427038]

Going on neetbux and hustling makes so much more fuckin sense than working for your money.

I know some savvy anons out there have good jobs that don't require giving up your whole life, but I think for most of us it's a completely ridiiculous idea. I used to work for a huge multinational and they'd just constantly hire retarded niggers who would end up falling upwards into a better job 6 months after they'd get hired.

[Anonymous No.16427052]

>>16427022
BLS stats are political bullshit

[Anonymous No.16427063]

>>16427052
All statistics are political bullshit. He needs to come up with some statistics that prove his point because I already came up with the ones that prove mine.

[Anonymous No.16427064]

>>16427022
What do they say? They say the economy is good and jobs are everywhere? I really feel sorry for you if you believe that.

[GayBacon No.16427074]

>>16426599
Lawyer>doctor

Tho I suspect doctors know proper syntax of English and sold their soul

[Anonymous No.16427076]

>>16426997
>They aren't hiring you
>they have their pick of the litter.
Alright. Serious question. Did you actually read *ANY* of the posts you keep pretending to reply to?

I (1) never talked about myself at all, and (2) have consistently advanced the proposition that these people are *wasting* their pick of the litter by imposing counterproductive restraints upon themselves instead of making the most of their position.

Like, at least have the decency to try to disagree with the actual idea you claim to oppose, instead of just floundering around at the starting line of the whole conversation like an idiot.

In fact, don't even do that. Just get the fuck back to studying. I don't care if it's "winter break", you clearly need the extra hours if you're going to pass the next semester, freshman.

[Anonymous No.16427122]

>>16427064
Goddamn you're retarded. The statistics say that the economy is good and jobs are everywhere, but highly skilled people are lacking. To rectify this companies could hire employees and sponsor their training themselves. Instead they try to select from the same small pool of applicants, and are forced keep bumping salaries to astronomical levels to attract people lest the position go unfilled.


Offering a more modest salary along with training for an inexperienced worker is riskier but could prove more cost effective in the long run.

[Anonymous No.16427169]

>>16427076
Studying what? What gives you the impression that I'm in college or even finished or even went to college in the first place? I really do suspect that you're the exact sort of worthless serf I described earlier, you really do have an extremely collegecentric view of everything. Your degree is worthless. It means nothing. It doesn't demonstrate experience or skill.

>>16427122
>Highly skilled people are lacking

So get a skill? And if you get a skill and still can't get hired, you were lied to and the jobs actually don't exist.

[Anonymous No.16427190]

>>16426322
OP is based and pic related is some retarded lefty cuck with a masters in sociology that works at a gas station

[Anonymous No.16427191]

>>16427169
I'm done with you. You only understand black/white. I have a skill, a degree, and will have a certificate for my skill soon. We aren't talking about me faggot. We're talking about the shitty market.

[Anonymous No.16427207]

>>16427191
I'm arguing with several people who claim they have skills and can't get hired, and then I'm getting contradictory evidence that jobs for highly skilled individuals are having issues filling positions. Others are saying jobs are super anundant but the hiring managers are being unfair. Sorry if I confuse you with someone else but I'm getting so many mixed signals.

[Anonymous No.16427215]

I work as a CPA.

I can earn 6k for referring someone to an entry level position.
I can earn 20k for referring a senior manager.

This is an example of an in-demand "skill"
let me refer you before we get automated

[Anonymous No.16427216]

>>16427122
You are dumb as fuck if you believe the statistics. Do you believe inflation is at 2% too?

[Anonymous No.16427234]

>>16427122
>Offering a more modest salary along with training for an inexperienced worker is riskier
And even that conclusion depends on what you do or do not choose to factor in as a "risk". Holding out for the biggest resume you can find? You're taking on more flight risk, you're risking excessive waste as you drag the process out, you're risking losing an *actual* stellar candidate if your standards are poorly calibrated, you're risking serious disruptions in projects while the position sits open *and* while decision-makers divert attention to an endless hiring process, you're risking onboarding an employee whose "experience" has amounted to a bunch of habits that don't mesh with your team and are harder to beat out of him than it would have been to just train a newer professional up to fit into your workflow...

[Anonymous No.16427262]

>>16427234
Who said they have to hold out for a big resume? If you operate under the false assumption that high paying desirable job positions are not infact receiving high numbers of applicants, I guess the rest of your post is true. But when you have hundreds of applicants, all it takes is one resume with a half decade of experience to basically knock out a recent grad.

[Anonymous No.16427266]

>>16427207
Yea wow, it's almost like there are hundreds of different skills with varying degrees of scarcity, and saying "get a skill" is the equivalent of telling someone to "get a job" in its vagueness.

I'm taking to a test to get my teaching certificate, and trying to use that as a springboard for an overseas teaching job where I can pick up a foreign language that would be sufficiently useful to the DoD for an analyst position once I get my PhD. I know of people my age with no more discernible skills or education than I have who got jobs that I wanted. The scarcity is fake, and they can hire whoever the fuck they want. Idc about what you say, but I'm doing what I gotta do to "get a skill".


You can take your deadbeat cocksucking ass somewhere else. The system is fucked and it would take an absolute boomer such as yourself to be complacent with how things currently work.

[Anonymous No.16427284]

>>16427266
Why not pick up the foreign language now? Do you not see how ass backwards your priorities are? You're the exact sort of person I'm talking about, job first, skills later. You know, actually learning the language first would probably look really good on a resume if you're trying to get a job. And yes, "learn a skill" is vague and takes research. I'm sorry things aren't as easy and simple as you want them to be.

[Anonymous No.16427295]

>>16427207
>Sorry if I confuse you with someone else but I'm getting so many mixed signals.
There are no mixed signals. Every single person is fundamentally in agreement about trying very hard to explain to you how (1) there are a shitload of empty positions and a shitload of educated and trained job-seekers, but (2) common practice among modern hiring managers, who are widely known to have a deep aversion to training personnel, is to simply leave positions sitting open in the hopes that a unicorn candidate will eventually come along.

You're just being a dumb asshole who refuses to process this kind of analysis without throwing a fit and coming up with excuses to cast emotional aspersions at people. Knock it off.

[Anonymous No.16427300]

>>16426322
>Want a basic lesson in ecomonics? If supply goes up, demand goes down. If "everyone" has a degree, then I can pay the bare minimum to get an employee with a degree.


Want another basic lesson in economics? If everyone is getting a degree, than that means college should be getting cheaper as economy of scale takes over as more and more people flock to college campuses. We are told by (((someone))) to go to college and pay exorbitant rates for it, if we expect to get a decent job. Why did college get more expensive if more students than ever are enrolled?

[Anonymous No.16427322]

>>16427284
>Why not pick up the foreign language now?


Because you don't actually know a foreign language until you have to speak it everyday to survive you stupid fuck. I've taken plenty of language classes and studied language on my own time you dumbass. None of it matters, until you are stuck in a foreign place trying to negotiate some chicken nuggets for yourself and can't fall on English to save you.


Like the other guy said, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.16427328]

why can't i find a job biz

[Anonymous No.16427329]

>>16426533
Kek

[Anonymous No.16427342]

>>16427328
Holy shit, I just remembered that posting ponies is a bannable offence on every board. I was a brony my freshmen year of college,

pls kill me I never wanted to remember this

[Anonymous No.16427348]

>>16427295
>there are a shitload of empty positions
>is to simply leave positions sitting open in the hopes that a unicorn candidate will eventually come along

Well are they truly empty positions if they aren't hiring people are they? Clearly if these positions were so important to a companies operations they wouldn't just leave it empty, and yet they do, and they're in no rush to employ help or train help. You are being lied to. Those jobs aren't open positions. It's quite clear the company doesn't give a shit about it.

[Anonymous No.16427371]

>>16427266
Even if you ace the DLAB, you need a clearance to even analyze a fucking mop bucket in the DIA or anywhere else in the IC. Your only options are to apply to one of the agencies directly or join the military.

[Anonymous No.16427386]

>>16427322
Lol this nigga believes he's going to get a job in China because he got a teaching degree LMFAO *crying laugh emoji*

[Anonymous No.16427392]

>>16427371
>Your only options are to apply to one of the agencies directly or join the military.

My dad has a TS clearance so I already know this. I still have to get qualified enough to get hired by an agency though. I'm basically just trying to take a similar path as a professor of mine who works in the defense industry did.

I'm not necessarily opposed to joining the military, but back when I wanted to join it was mainly because I didn't know how to manage my money. Now that I've become financially literate, I just don't see much reason to subject myself to a lifestyle that shitty.

[Anonymous No.16427394]

>>16427322
You're taking a gamble. You are gambling that your degree will take you to somewhere. I mean if that works, fine, I guess there's jobs in demand. But what I'm saying is that a Japanese university would much rather hire a candidate that already speaks Japanese to teach a college level English course rather than the guy with a teaching certificate.

[Anonymous No.16427404]

>>16427386
>Lol this nigga believes he's going to get a job in China


China, Vietnam, Korea, Russia, Africa, the Middle East, even Japan. There are plenty of places to pick up a desirable foreign language for the DoD. And just because something is a common goal, doesn't invalid.


I also don't have a teaching degree which is why I have to take this stupid ass test in the first place.

[Anonymous No.16427409]

>>16427392
Employer: Hmm says here on your application that you didn't join the military. We have a lot of applicants with military experience which we prefer. Why did you choose to go such an unorthodox path?

You: I just don't see much reason to subject myself to a lifestyle that shitty.

Employer: wow you're hired. Welcome aboard champ

[Anonymous No.16427411]

>>16427392
Well, a PhD is probably a slam dunk but you're likely qualified to apply to multiple agencies already. Anyways, if you go the analyst route, enjoy locking your cellphone away and listening to grainy audio or reading thousands of pages of Mandarin OSINT in a windowless room for 12 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.16427419]

>>16427409
Also what he said. I know one or two people who achieved similar goals to yours without military experience but I also know dozens more who chose the traditional route.

[Anonymous No.16427420]

Wtf? I make 30 an hour. No degree, and havent worked for 2years before this job so no experience. Atleast doing this. I work office job organizing invoices and billing managements. Literally made some scripts to do most of the work for me. Im about to tell em ill work remote lol... aslong ad the job is done i dont think they care

[Anonymous No.16427426]

>>16427394
>But what I'm saying is that a Japanese university would much rather hire a candidate that already speaks Japanese to teach a college level English course rather than the guy with a teaching certificate.

They actually wouldn't because almost no Japs speak fluent English lmao. I have access to subscription only overseas teaching only job board, and knowing the native language is not a requirement for an overseas teaching job. The only requirement is 2 years teaching experience.

>You're taking a gamble. You are gambling that your degree will take you to somewhere.
Wow, it's almost like we're on a board for business & finance, and risk is a part of doing business. If you're scared to take chances then why are you here?

[Anonymous No.16427430]

>>16427419
Sounds like those two people are exceptions to the rule and you probably shouldn't follow their lead.

[Anonymous No.16427443]

>>16426375
Except I have no degree and spent my teens and 20s shooting dope and i can go get a job in a warehouse making $18/hr or start an electrical apprenticeship and start around $20/hr with yearly pay raises. It's a huge cope on your part to act like $15/hr is anywhere near worth what it cost you in time and money to get that education when burnout retards like me can walk into a trade union office and walk out with a job making more than you.

[Anonymous No.16427453]

>>16427426
Glas you're confident that there is so many job offers for gaijin weeaboos like you. Make sure when you can't get hired you start screaming at Russian boomers because they don't want to hire some American that can't speak a lick of their native language to work at their schools.

[Anonymous No.16427454]

>>16427411
>enjoy locking your cellphone away and listening to grainy audio or reading thousands of pages of Mandarin OSINT in a windowless room for 12 hours a day.

I would.

>I know one or two people who achieved similar goals to yours without military experience but I also know dozens more who chose the traditional route.

I'm young enough to do either or. The military is obviously the most direct route, but I said it earlier in the thread that you have to gamble on them even giving you your desired MOS/Rating. People join the military out of desire to serve/desperation first, then career goals are a distant second because they aren't really guaranteed. The civilian path is longer, more expensive, and obtuse, but it seems like more of a sure thing.

[Anonymous No.16427462]

>>16427426
Business is also about minimizing risk and offering up a skillset that consumers demand. If you have no skillset and get a job that's great but you should be more realistic instead of acting like a temporarily embarrassed boomer who can get by in life with no skills and nothing more than a college degree and US citizenship

[Anonymous No.16427464]

>>16426588
This is what my boss did. He gave a female Chinese employee a raise of around $20,000 just so she could meet the income requirements for the Visa application as well. She now is getting paid about 1/3 more than people who were working here 4-5 times longer than her. She had to be "fired" from the job temporarily or something so she could reapply to the job or something, we are all not too clear on it. The point is, one guy found a paycheck envelope from a few weeks prior while she was "fired" and not at work, and we saw what she was making. She is just doing very simple BIM work, nothing advanced or innovative. The boss could easily find someone to do this work, but he would rather keep her on for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.16427465]

>>16427443
Nigga, I just graduated 6 months ago. This is the problem with you high school dropouts, you think that if something doesn't pay off immediately then it's a waste. The pay off will look like an exponential curve. It gets better over time.

[Anonymous No.16427472]

>>16426684
You pick your own MOS in the Army, just do that. You don't have to sign if they don't have the MOS you want, and you can keep checking back with your recruiter in hopes a position will open.

[Anonymous No.16427476]

>>16427454
>Go to recruiter.
>Tell him you want to be 35M or whatever the MOS is.
>Sorry anon, there are no more slots for that MOS in FY2019. Can I interest you in being an 11B or 88M instead?
>No thank you.
>Walk away and come back next year.

If you are commissioning then yes, it is a gamble as to where you will branch but no matter what you will minimum get Secret and almost certainly get TS for free and relevant experience to boot.

[Anonymous No.16427499]

>>16427465
Honestly the problem with you college grads is you literally expect that there's a job for you. Like you said, you only graduated 6 months ago, quite clearly don't even have any direction as to where you're going but then turn around and act like you are garaunteed and almost entitled some sort of desirable job position. I seriously doubt the kind of work you want to do isn't a highly competitive employment scene. Everybody wants to travel the world and go to an exotic place. I think it's really ballzy and maybe a bit retarded to expect that you shouldn't have to expend any effort learning a foreign language or two before you are employed so that you stand out among other applicants. And apparently military experience is also something a lot of the actual employed grads in your field use on their resumes and you brush that off as unimportant. I think you are legitimately going to hurt yourself if luck doesn't save you

[Anonymous No.16427505]

>>16427472
>Army
Never in my life. Navy, Airforce, or bust.

>>16427476
Yea I know. I'm 24 now so I just feel like I'm running out of time though. If I can't get a teaching job in the US next year, OCS will become a lot appealing.

[Anonymous No.16427508]

>>16426328
>Who is Jason Parser

[Anonymous No.16427532]

>>16427465
> spent 4 years and 30k in school to make $16.50/hr
No, you're the retard. In 4 years you could've been a journeyman tradie making 80-100k/year, but instead you're on your high horse making the same amount as the "high school dropouts" you talk shit on. The saddest part is that you are not only ok with it but you defend it like a retard.

[Anonymous No.16427540]

>>16427508

[Anonymous No.16427555]

>>16427532
Don't worry, another few years down the line you will be using your skills that are in demand while he will still be in a post-graduate program at 26 years old wondering why he can't keep up with any of his bills because he wanted to travel to cool and exotic places for a living like a retired baby boomer

[Anonymous No.16427563]

>>16427499
Dude look, you're talking out of your ass so please stop. Have you ever been on the website to apply Intelligence Community jobs?

I'll tell you what they look like

>No Bachelor's
Don't even apply
>Bachelor's Degree
You need 3-5 years experience in Intelligence and a foreign language. Most of the time this comes from being an officer. You can get this by 30 if you're willing to risk getting shot and fuck up your back for life.
>Master's Degree
1-2 years experience and foreign language. You can get this by 30 if you happen to be Chinese or whatever language you want to learn, or by living in that country, but you're still not guaranteed a job in either government or academia
>Doctor of Philosophy
0 years experience required, but foreign language still required. You can get this but it might take until you are 35-40. You'll have some fun along the way though. If you do this, you'll also have an attractive option to work in academia in addition to working with three letter agencies.

I like academia, school, and the military, so I wanna do all three which is the PhD option.

[Anonymous No.16427574]

>>16426322
Nih Ghar’s Paradox exemplified.

[Anonymous No.16427579]

>>16427563
Enlist at 18, out at 22, finish worthless BA at 25, hired at 26. I’ll be bossing your GS-12 faggot ass around by the time you get your foot in the door. Enjoy academia, bud.

[Anonymous No.16427592]

>>16427563
>wants to work with alphabet agencies
>posts on 4chan
oh lord im laffin, you're just a useful idiot

[Anonymous No.16427603]

>>16427579
Is that what you did or what you are suggesting? And I don't really care about the power structure. I just wanna do my job.


>>16427592
Normies can have Facebook's and still get those jobs, so I don't see what is so bad about this place. I've also run into plenty anons who have clearances who post here.

[Anonymous No.16427608]

>>16427563
Yikes bro that's all I can say. So your plan is go to school until your 40 under the pretense that the conditions you believe are in place will continue to exist after you've wasted three decades of your life in school and your up to your neck in potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars from post graduate programs so you can work as a fucking spook. Join the army, and learn a language now. I unironically believe that potentially risking getting shot at and doing Duolingo in your free time is a much better use of your time than your current trajectory. Goddamn dude I feel bad for you

[Anonymous No.16427625]

>>16426499
checked and what do you do for a living anon?

[Anonymous No.16427629]

It's actually a pretty good time for young and ambitious people to get into good jobs now and the next few years ahead as the Boomers are finally retiring en masse

[Anonymous No.16427642]

>>16427608
>o your plan is go to school until your 40 under the pretense that the conditions you believe are in place will continue to exist after you've wasted three decades of your life in school and your up to your neck in potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars from post graduate programs so you can work as a fucking spook.


No you stupid cunt. My plan is to work as a teacher for 2-4 years in America then work as a teacher overseas for 3-5 years. Then get a PhD in history ( 4-6 years).

Currently, that puts me on pace for getting my desired job between ages 33-39, aka the ages when a lot of officers are just leaving the military so the timeline might not be all that different in the long run.

[Anonymous No.16427669]

>>16427642
Cope harder delusional faggot. You’ve been spoonfed by legit glowies in this thread to no avail. You are too fucking dumb to make it.

You have an extremely distinct syntax, if you work for me I will find a way to fire you.

[Anonymous No.16427744]

>>16427669
Okay, go ahead. If my plan doesn't come to fruition I still can just move up the ladder at my current job because I work for a fortune 500 company, and already have relatively easy path to an entry level management position.

Unlike most cunts on /biz/, I don't wanna "make it" just so I can stop working. I plan on keeping my current job for as long possible while teaching to stack bread for grad school/investing then doing my "dream" job as my investments grow.

I'm getting pretty drunk desu. Don't know why I'm still ITT

[Anonymous No.16427766]

>>16426322
>If supply goes up, demand goes down.
>If supply goes up, demand goes down.
>If supply goes up, demand goes down.

[Anonymous No.16427790]

>>16427744
>nigga
>stack bread
Why do you talk like a nigger? What is it about their culture and vernacular that appeals to you? Genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.16427801]

>>16426322
why can't these smarty pants start their own business?

[Anonymous No.16427812]

>>16427790
I'm black. You understood exactly what I meant, so why don't you go ahead and explain what exactly about my use of urban slang in an informal context necessitated getting so apprehensive all of a sudden.

[Anonymous No.16427832]

>>16427801
Plenty do. My roommate in college (he was black too) ran a business and my neighbor (age 25) who went to college runs a business. When you have a ton of debt though like most college grads, it can be hard get to the necessary capital and credit for a startup.

[Anonymous No.16427843]

>>16427812
Because 99% of the people who post on 4chan and that I see irl that speak ebonics are white, and it has always blown my mind why white people would want to associate with urban "thug" culture. Honestly, if you really are black, I can't see why you would want to associate with the culture that is responsible for keeping your race on the bottom tier of society, when you yourself are clearly not a part of that culture. It's the same as me aspiring to be a trailer park redneck when I am not.
Keep in mind, people judge you by your mannerisms.

[Anonymous No.16427882]

>>16427843
It's fun to be dumb sometimes and not having a stick up your ass at all times makes life a little bit more bearable. I have black and white friends, so I just don't stop being black just because I'm talking to white people on a Taiwanese knitting forum. Selective use of the N-word can be powerful/hilarious in IRL situations.


>Keep in mind, people judge you by your mannerisms.
Yea, and I'll politic when I need to politic. The honest truth is that black people are more fun to hang out with, but white people just have more money to do things so they have more diverse hobbies and habits.

[Anonymous No.16427952]

>>16427882
>>16427843
If you tell people they can't say something, they are just going to want to do it so much more. IF anyone was truly interested in the banishment of the word nigger, you shouldn't attempt to make it forbidden, just the opposite, you should send it to the grave when people simply get bored of it. It's already kind of happening anyway.

Thank goodness I am at least beyond these pathetic childish games, but you should never forget basic human psychology.

[Anonymous No.16427956]

>>16426328
>A job magically appears for anyone with a college degree

[Anonymous No.16427988]

>>16427952
>IF anyone was truly interested in the banishment of the word nigger, you shouldn't attempt to make it forbidden, just the opposite, you should send it to the grave when people simply get bored of it. It's already kind of happening anyway.

That's how I feel about it too. I don't assume everyone using the N-word on 4chan is black, but I don't assume anyone's race here. We just call everyone niggers because we can. I don't even care when I hear "racist" jokes IRL, I'm just like fuck it keep grinding and making money. When you gotta work with someone everyday, their stupid comments don't seem as hurtful just like more of reflection of their background and education.

[Anonymous No.16428082]

>>16426499
you make more money in day and a half than I make in a whole month JESUS FUCKING CHRIST AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.16428591]

>>16426692
>Why hire a native who can walk out on you, when you can hire a foreigner that will literally lick your asshole if it means stopping you from sending them back to shit-in-street land.
I don't hire imports because they are shit.