/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.16325113]

>72 job applications
>8 interviews
>0 jobs

At what point is killing myself the best option?

[Anonymous No.16325138]

have faith anon, it will be tough, but eventually you'll get your foot in the door. then you can impress them with your 4channel meme folder.

[Anonymous No.16325143]

>>16325113
Put everything in a crypto like Tezos and live off the staking rewards. No need to kill yourself, fren.

[Anonymous No.16325145]

>>16325113
what's the job?

[Anonymous No.16325149]

>>16325145
Marketing.

[Anonymous No.16325181]

i applied to 100+ jobs during my last search before getting 3 interviews and eventually a job. i went to a top 50 school and have a doctorate.

[Anonymous No.16325182]

That interview:application ratio is good, but that’s a poor interview:job ratio. You probably just need to practice saying all the normalfag phrases in real life.

[Anonymous No.16325189]

>>16325149
seems like you can't market yourself ayylmao

[Anonymous No.16325202]

>>16325113
i cant believe you havent thought about stealing from some cars in a parking lot, its like a poor mans lottery, how lazy are you

[Anonymous No.16325203]

>>16325113
You should get a job after your fifth interview. You autism?

[Anonymous No.16325234]

>>16325203
You should get a job after 20 seconds into your first interview. You should get a job with no interviews. Everyone should be throwing jobs before your feets.

[Anonymous No.16325266]

>>16325189
got eem

[Anonymous No.16325294]

>>16325182
>that’s a poor interview:job ratio
Of the eight interviews, a lot of them were last week or early this week, but I've got nothing back yet. Only two of them were second stage interviews.

Jobs I've had in the past I usually get offered them the day after the interview.

[Anonymous No.16325313]

>>16325202
Based nigger-strat

[Anonymous No.16325314]

>>16325189
Unironically this, OP.
The paper you got in exchange for lifelong debt slavery is worthless.

[Anonymous No.16326224]

>>16325113
>25
>never had a job
>45 jobs applications
>10 rejections
>35 ghosts
>0 calls back

Hopefully I get some calls back before I've hit 500+ applications. Is networking my best bet?

I've been studying random shit while I was a NEET. I'm really good at programming, financial modeling, and math. I have a BS in Econometrics. At this point, I think starting a company would yield better results.

[Anonymous No.16326250]

>>16326224
how can you not land a job with these skills? im also 25 never had a job even tho i have a msc my confidence is literally at atl i dont even bother in applying because i just know i will get fucked during the interview with the magical question "what have you been doing since you finished your studies?"
fuck everything

[Anonymous No.16326258]

>>16326250
Nobody responds to my applications because I'm 2 years out of university with 0 experience. I've literally never had a job before, GPA is pretty average.

[Anonymous No.16326270]

>>16326258
literally the same lmao, and with the few exceptions i got i literally blew it during the interview, it's really depressing

[Anonymous No.16326302]

>>16326270
I'm considering doing commission based jobs like real estate but I'm worried about that being a dead end. My social skills are pretty shitty as well, so I wouldn't be that good either.

Pretty much all I've done in my free time besides learning random shit is watch anime and trade stocks. My trading record is actually pretty solid at +86% over the past 3 years. I've made enough to pay off half my student loans, but I'm not trading with a lot of capital.

[Anonymous No.16326310]

Even more applications. Re apply to the good ones. Figure out what went wrong. Was it qualifications? Do you need to work on how you present your resume? Maybe you have trouble in person, there are tactics to improve your interview skills. Try working for yourself it's not for everyone but think about something in life that can be improved and sell that improvement. Do all that and once you get the job KYS.

[Anonymous No.16326313]

>Had an interview yesterday
>Autism'd in front of the CEO at the end because I was braindead after 6 hours

[Anonymous No.16326318]

Hi ATPsynthapse

You’ll make it fren UwU

[Anonymous No.16326322]

>>16326224
dont walk in saying your " really good " at programming or FA or even MATH. Your BS means SQUAT. what the fuck are you even applying for?

[Anonymous No.16326325]

>>16325113
I just got a IT Manager job 100k+ last week. Had to choose between 3 jobs. I work at a MSP as a slave in Newport Beach.

[Anonymous No.16326352]

>>16326322
Mostly real estate development and acquisition roles with the plan of moving into real estate private equity after MBA/Masters.

Private equity, hedge funds, and investment banking roles are way too competitive, and you can get pigeonholed into back/middle office very easily. Its a lot easier to move from a shitty real estate analyst position into a high paying sales/development/valuation role, and you can jump ship and start a company very easily. Pay isn't even that much worse in commercial real estate than banking due to compensation structure being tied to deals.

[Anonymous No.16326376]

>>16326224
>>16326258
Go on LinkedIn and search/add people that went to the same college as you. Create a template that you can message to every single one of them - something generic, short, and to the point. Straight up ask them to help you out if they know any contacts within their company our outside of their company that they can point you towards. You will get more responses than you expect. Generally, fellow alumni will go out of their way to help you if they know you don't have a job and are struggling to find one. However, I would make some small shit up that would not necessarily have to be true in order for you to succeed at the opportunity - such as freelance/internship work etc..

Also, look for smaller companies that are recruiters/headhunters that pace candidates in the industry and line of work you're looking for. These small recruiting firms (maybe 4-5 employees) make a living by essentially lying for you - they can't compete with the large recruiting firms that follow all the 'rules', so they have to do what they can to get paid and stay competitive because most recruiters/firms only get paid if they successfully place a candidate. As an example - I had a friend from college who couldn't find a job in over a year after graduating and he found a small firm like I mentioned. The recruiter didn't 100% lie, but they really over-sell you to companies they place candidates for. Some of them even act as fake references - as long as they see you are a competent person who could realistically do great in the job they place you in, even if you may not be the 'most experienced'. If their clients were not happy with the candidates they recommend/place, they would not have a job and would not be talking to you in the first place.

[Anonymous No.16326391]

>>16326352
To add, the reasoning behind picking real estate finance as an industry over traditional high finance roles is due to less structural barriers, and more transferable skills.

People also jump ship all the time to start their own development, brokerage, syndication firms. You aren't tied to a single company or role. There is value to extract out of the market everywhere. Investment opportunities are fragmented and local.

[Anonymous No.16326409]

>>16326376
Yeah, interesting. I didn't really network in college. I've considered just working for free with small developers to gain experience.

I could probably work my ass off and go from making $0/minimum wage to 60-70K + bonus within 1-2 years, and then my compensation should only go up from there.

[Anonymous No.16326431]

>>16325113
>72 job applications
>8 interviews
>0 jobs
Literally nothing you said is negative in the slightest. Have you just started on your job hunting after having graduated?

Let me show you on the other hand how my experience went (and I'm only 25),
> sent 300+ applications, with good résumé and academic credentials
> got 1 job interview
> 0 jobs

Only finally got a job after someone I actively networked with, while sending the above, decided to give me a helping hand, and despite not being able to offer me any position congruent with my background, he gave me a minor role simply to give me résumé experience, and nearly a year after that, a recruiter found me through my profile on Linkedin. After that, I aced the interviews which the recruiter set up, and *then* I finally landed a real job.

Having 8 interviews from 72 job applications is actually a pretty high rate, anon, so you must still be a babby in this whole process. Just kep trying, and most importantly keep networking.

[Anonymous No.16326447]

>>16326224
I studied Math/Economics in undergrad, and then graduated with a MS in Quantitative Finance, with decent grades, and it was still hard for me to find a job.

As I wrote in a reply to OP, it takes a long time to get a job sometimes, and always make networking your #1 strategy.

[Anonymous No.16326463]

Now! It is always now. The world is over populated. One more gone means a place for more. Stop procrastinating, your train is waiting. Its as easy as stepping out. Or just buy MLN.

[Anonymous No.16326469]

>>16326250
>"what have you been doing since you finished your studies?"
The number 1 way to answer that question is to be working on something you find interesting in the field you studied on your own. If you put enough effort into it (note: this doesn't require autistic effort or inhuman discipline), you will start amassing projects to put on your résumé, so at least you will have something.

[Anonymous No.16326483]

>>16326431
This is encouraging. I can model complex institutional M&A/LBO transactions, but it seems like running into a brick wall through the traditional application processes. Am I just getting autodenied by ATS's for not having any work experience?

I feel if I could meet with recruiters and show them some of my models, pitch books, and slide decks they would be impressed at the least. Too bad most of the HR people are women that don't actually understand the technical aspect of whatever jobs I'm applying to. Smaller companies are probably my best bet in that case.

[Anonymous No.16326496]

>>16326469
It's kind of hard to show off projects/research until you actually get an interview though, right?

[Anonymous No.16326512]

>>16326447

I got the same Undergrad
I was about to go to for a MS in Financial Engineering or Quantitative finance etc as well.

I lucked out and got a job doing Catastrophe Modelling for a fortune 500 company 3 months in after graduating.

What did you get a job in?

[Anonymous No.16326522]

>>16325149
You need a vagina

[Anonymous No.16326525]

>>16325113
>1000+ job applications (stopped counting probably 1500ish at least)
>approx. 25 initial in person interviews went to about 90% of them the other 10% I probably had no chance or the job just sucked so I didnt bother
>got less than 7 jobs total
>less than 1.75% of those application result in an interview
>less than 0.4% chance of applying to a job AND getting the job albeit I did skip a few interviews/passed on a few but not enough for it to realistically reach a 0.7% chance

This was after graduating college as well with a business degree. Don't kill yourself though.

[Anonymous No.16326527]

>>16325149
You dun goofed OP.

[Anonymous No.16326528]

>>16326483
Keep developing your models, work on understanding and explaining them in common-sense, understandable language, and if you keep practicing all that and networking (either going to events, as it worked out for me with meeting the guy that helped me out, or even with seeking out recruiters), you eventually will catch someone's attention.

However, and I cannot stress this enough, working on your hard knowledge on topics you can force yourself to study + presentation skills while looking for those jobs is what's going to give you what you need to ace those interviews, once they come. For my 2 year job-hunting process altogether, my first year I spent learning Bayesian statistics (because it seemed really cool, and I still think it's cool), then did some standard Neural Network courses on coursera for a couple months, and all this was while endlessly applying and just hoping for the best. Meeting people (so working on presentation skills) and those hard skills above all gave me stuff to talk about and be well-rounded about when I finally got that interview 2 years later.

[Anonymous No.16326562]

>>16326512
I got a Junior Quant coding job at Wells Fargo, which I'm really happy about because the work is flexible and will give me a lot of experience in derivatives as well as coding.

If I may ask, what kinds of models does Catastrophe Modelling entail?

>>16326496
While that is a true statement on the surface, you will only get that interview if you meet enough people and get close enough to them for you to demonstrate your skills somehow, which will most likely simply involve you being able to explain those hard skills confidently and concisely. I hate this aspect about the modern world, but networking is how any real jobs are attained these days.

[Anonymous No.16326563]

>>16325113
>>16326224
>>16326270
working as a night time security guard is comfy until you find a job in your field

[Anonymous No.16326568]

"IF YOU CANT FIND A JOB THEN MAKE ONE NOOB" - Vitalik Buterin

[Anonymous No.16326569]

>>16326528
Thanks, anon. This is very helpful. I'm going to focus on meeting people and my presentation skills. Maybe try to shadow at some smaller firms if they can't offer me a job.

We're all going to make it!

[Anonymous No.16326579]

>>16326563
I'm financially secure enough and would rather focus on trading/investing and learning new skills. Thanks for the offer. The only jobs I would accept are ones that can further my career prospects or social skills.

[Anonymous No.16326619]

>>16326569
Keep at it!

[Anonymous No.16326699]

>>16325189
>>16326527
>>16326522
I'm not a graduate in the field, I hold an even worse meme degree.

I have a couple of years' experience working in bids/pitches/proposals at big companies, which isn't much but it's something. I'm wanting to stay in this area of marketing/this type of job unless /biz/ convinces me otherwise, because:

>it pays pretty good once you have 5+ years experience
>pretty much every big company needs people to do it
>the field isn't oversaturated as a lot of people don't like doing it
>it's really not that hard a job because even dumbasses like me can do it

[Anonymous No.16326829]

>>16325113
Do a flip faggot

[Anonymous No.16327344]

>>16325113
dont kys m8 just enjoy the shit ride its gonna get way worse for everyone in the future

[Anonymous No.16327370]

>>16325294
>second stage interviews
>multiple stages
the state of recruiters

[Anonymous No.16327414]

>be me
>high school papers
>23 yo, no work history at all
>+50 applications to low level jobs like janitor etc.
>1 interview
>they say i don't have enough experience or proper education for a fucking part time janitor
well, at least i get 1200 euros NEET-bux per month. maybe next year i get accepted to uni.

[Anonymous No.16327990]

>be me
> 23, high school only
> 1 application
> 1 job

I am working now as a financial analyst.I seriously just sent one application because I liked the company and the people in it. Are you all autistic af ?

[Anonymous No.16328010]

So, you kill yourself... And niggers live on and reproduce?

[Anonymous No.16328519]

>>16326699
imagine shaking hands with a job applicant and you see nails like that. you probably should just kys

[Anonymous No.16328536]

>>16325113
>296 applications
>6 interviews
>3 shitty jobs