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[Anonymous No.16163593]

Your success is purely luck and completely random. How do you deal with this terrible fact of life?

[Anonymous No.16163615]

>>16163593
Flex on em

[Anonymous No.16163620]

>>16163593
Yeah, well here's a plot twist: When I give in to the schizophrenia, I get ahead in life. When I do what I'm peer-pressured into doing, I fucking fail. Everybody can take their advice and shove it up their ass, it's shit. Listening to the spirit world from now on.

Success is purely luck and completely random? The fuck it is.

[Anonymous No.16163638]

>>16163593
But that's not true at all. My failures are due to me, therefore my successes are too.

[Anonymous No.16163655]

>>16163593
It means even I as a retard have a chance

[Anonymous No.16163659]

>>16163620
This. This shit was not random, forever I listened to people or cared about what they thought, until I gained second sight and realized 99.9% of everyone has no fucking clue about the world we live in.

[Anonymous No.16163661]

>>16163593
Nice pic anon

[Anonymous No.16163667]

>>16163638
this

[Anonymous No.16163668]

>>16163593
>Your success is purely luck and completely random.
This is what American niggers actually believe.

[Anonymous No.16163671]

>>16163638
No your failures are due to bad luck and your successes are due to good luck.

[Anonymous No.16163673]

>>16163593
I understand that I am one with God.

[Anonymous No.16163678]

>>16163593
By understand the difference between facts and opinions

[Anonymous No.16163682]

>>16163593
its better to be lucky then good. fuck off faggot

[Anonymous No.16163684]

It isn't random, I'm one more iteration in a long evolutionary chain that has led to this success. Maybe life itself is "random."

[Anonymous No.16163686]

Well guess I'm lucky then that I hold 20k LINK and I'm gonna make it after 3 years of more crabbing

[Anonymous No.16163695]

>>16163593
>purely luck
mostly luck, more like

>totally random
mostly random, more like

You have a small but important power in influencing the outcome of life events. It's not great, but it's all you've got, and you do yourself a disservice when you succumb to fatalism.

[Anonymous No.16163708]

>>16163655
Thanks fren I needed that

[Anonymous No.16163726]

>>16163620
Holy fuck are you me? This is me but with my megalomany.

[Anonymous No.16163739]

>>16163695
You can never predict the outcome of a decision. The outcome is purely random and could be good or bad. If you are successful you have a string of good outcomes based on random decisions.

[Anonymous No.16163848]

>>16163593
Not true. My advantages are luck, but my success is how I cspitalize on them. Which is not luck. If this is your way of rationalising your failures, I gotta say:it's all your fault.

[Anonymous No.16163866]

>>16163593
my computer model confirms that you are full of shit

[Anonymous No.16163884]

This is not luck, this is 10 year old path of bad luck and bad decisions that led me to this board. Yeah i guess its luck

[Anonymous No.16164122]

>>16163593
It’s not. Have you ever played any strategy game? Chess? Magic the gathering? Yes, there is an element of luck, but there are some combinations that always win and you can learn this.

[Anonymous No.16164179]

>>16163593
rejoice, i can finally stop wage-slaving, stop researching crypto opportunities and stop trying to better myself in order to become succesful in life.
Since it is random, there is no need to do apply any effort, i might as well just go all in one Doritos, Beers and videogames, it would have an equally large chance of me making it.

[Anonymous No.16164310]

>>16163593
We are supposed to use our luck to help others and do good. At least I think so. God trolled me so hard the past six years, so many chicks I could've banged but didnt. Little did I know it was so I would find LINK. Thanks God/Kek. I wont fail you!

[Anonymous No.16164885]

>>16163620
Ok, but the fact that you've had the life yoy've had, with the genes you've had, with all of the life influences that you've had thrust upon you (all of it random and which you had 0 influence over) in just such a way as to give rise to the specific neuro chemistry in your brain that sculpted your current ability to give into the schizophrenia (or anything else), still means it's random, or predetermined, or some combination of the two.

[Anonymous No.16164893]

>>16163615
fpbp

[Anonymous No.16164926]

>>16163593
your poop doesnt determine your fart

[Anonymous No.16164995]

>>16163659
>>16163668
>>16163695
>>16163726
>>16163848
>>16164122
See >>16164885
All of the shit your mind tries to use to justify its free will is a complete illusion. Free will is so incoherent a concept that not only does it not exist, you can't even concieve of a posible universe where it COULD exist. If you pay close attention to your thoughts you'll all realise that you don't even have a subjective experience of free will that you think you have. We live in a world of cause and effect. Your thoughts sinply appear in conciousness. What your going to think next is almost exactly the same as what I'm going to say next. You can't predict it. To predict what your going to think next would require you to think it before you think it.

When people talk about free will they generally are referring to two things.
1) That they were free to think and act differently than they did in the past.
2) That they are ultimately the concious authors of their thoughts and actions.

Both of these assumptions that people have are 100% undeniably false.
The fact that you can get lucky or unlucky in the way your personality is or isn't, how hardworking you are or aren't, your motivations etc etc, all predeterined or luck or a combination of the two. Free will never enters the picture. Enjoy the ride fellas, it's all that this shit ever was. Just a ride.

[Anonymous No.16165006]

>>16164122
But life is much more complicated then a chess game. You could make all of the lucky decisions and still be taken out of the game by one bad outcome of a decision. Which is completely out of your control. Success in life is purely luck.

[Anonymous No.16165022]

>>16164885
it's neither random nor predetermined. Your life is like a chess game. There are certain moves you can make and certain moves you can't make. luck in a social context is a construct of the mind considering there are so many possibilities for attaining power and money. luck only exists in strictly rule-based contexts where there's a tangible and calculable probability. you've artificially restricted your options to that of which you think you're capable of. this is a loser's mindset

[Anonymous No.16165034]

>>16164995
And I know its you're and not your and I made a fuckton of spelling mistakes but I'm on my phone and english is not my first language

[Anonymous No.16165071]

>>16165034
>ESL
>phoneposter

[Anonymous No.16165107]

>>16165022
You don't quite get it. Just because there are certain moves that you can or can't make as you put it doesn't mean your choices themselves aren't luck or predetermined. Listen; I can agree that it's possible that there is 0 luck outside of the initial conditions after which everything is predetermined, but that still wouldn't give you free will. Your ability to learn the rules of success as you have put it are still based on factors that are not in your control. You can't take credit for the fact that you did or didn't figure out the rules for success or anything else. I'm not artificially restricting any options, I'm simply pointing out that you can't escape the iron law of cause and effect.

[Anonymous No.16165122]

>>16165022
OK so let's say you are a rich successful business man and have made all the correct decisions with lucky outcomes. But one day you decide to walk to work instead of drive. But on the way to work during your walk you are run over by a drunk driver and killed. If you had decided to drive instead of walk you would be alive and successful. Life is pure luck. Only low IQ's can't see this. Every decision is the same with the same chance of being side swiped by bad luck.

[Anonymous No.16165130]

>>16165071
Fuck you faggot, I'm whiter than snow.

[Anonymous No.16165165]

>>16165122
what do you mean by luck, though? That's just an event that happens. There are no rules, therefore there is no luck and no calculable probability.

[Anonymous No.16165225]

>>16165107
but there are no "rules" for success. You have to define success first before you make that claim. You need rules, you need definitions. If you claim success is making $100,000/yr, then we can start somewhere. Otherwise it's all just vague reddit armchair sociology/philosophy nonsense

[Anonymous No.16165233]

>>16163593
Link uplift my bags
Never felt alive
Quit waging tonight
(We will wait for this, we will wait for this)
Link uplift my bags
Never felt alive
Quit waging tonight
We will wait for this
We will wait for this
We will wait for this
We will

[Anonymous No.16165234]

>>16165165
Of course there are rules. You said it yourself, there are certain things you can and can't do. All rule based. If you understood every atom in the universe and how it affected every other atom you would see a calculable probability for every event, or a 100% predetermined outcome for every future event, or some combonation that allowed for some uncertainty. In any case, whatever word you wanna use to describe how events and thoughts and actions unfold in this universe; the fact remains that you are not im a deep sense responsible for any of it.

[Anonymous No.16165263]

>>16163593
good luck rarely finds you if you don’t at least try

[Anonymous No.16165296]

>>16164995
thought about that alot and believed in it for awhile but thesedays I'd like to think that there's an element of spirituality involved

All these geniuses are simply more in tune with god/universe and display godly traits. You see the same themes in what historical geniuses say - tesla, walter russell, etc

ultimately everything comes from god and it's absurd to think we're capable of owning or escaping this fact and possess free will

the only extent of free will we have is the choice to emulate godliness, be it through work or character

[Anonymous No.16165297]

>>16165234
>If you understood every atom in the universe and how it affected every other atom
truly brainlet-tier. every reputable quantum physicist would say that quantum mechanics is not deterministic.
>there are certain things you can and can't do
this was in reference to what you or I can do. Not all of the things that can be done

[Anonymous No.16165302]

>>16165225
Nigger you are one dense motherfucker. It's not not about defining what success means to you per se. It could be anything you want it to be, the POINT is that however you define or don't define ANYTHING, success or whatever else, it's all based on LUCK or DETERMINISM and there is nothing armchair philosophical about that. That would be like saying the fact that applying suffucient heat+oxygen to gasoline resulting in a fire is armchair science. It's just a fact!

[Anonymous No.16165325]

>>16165302
>i can't even define the terms of my argument but i'll make an absolute claim about it and state it as fact

[Anonymous No.16165340]

>>16165296
I get where you're coming from but you can add as many layers of spirituality and being in tune with the divine and having a soul etc etc but that still doesn't adress any of the points I listed. How can you take credit for being in tune with the divine? After all; you would have had to make certain choices to have that result. Even if you have a soul, you aren't responsible for having the soul of a serial killer instead of a saint who gets to experience the divine.

[Anonymous No.16165352]

>>16165233
Checked and tearspilled

[Anonymous No.16165376]

>>16165297
Yeah quantum mechanics is not deterministic. Not sure how that's relevant. Quantum mechanica is only relevant on quantum scales. Even as such, if it's not deterministic then it's random. Luck. Either way, no free will anywhere to be found. Amazing thatyou can't grasp this, but it's not your fault. ;)

[Anonymous No.16165385]

>>16165165
Well without any rules or metrics to measure that makes life completely and purely random. Which means luck is the only measure. Which confirms non determinism in quantum mechanics

[Anonymous No.16165393]

>>16163593
It’s not true so no need.

[Anonymous No.16165396]

>>16165297
By the way, nice job on ignoring the rest of my sentence where I mentioned atoms in the universe. If you kept reading you would have realized I addressed your retarded invocation of quantum mechanics before you even brought it up.

[Anonymous No.16165420]

>>16165325
Holyfuckballs at this point this is bait right? Do you just read one sentence before posting?

[Anonymous No.16165433]

>>16165376
>if it's not deterministic then it's random
kek that doesn't mean it's random, it means we can't know what the outcome is. not random
>Quantum mechanica is only relevant on quantum scales
down syndrome. please read a quantum mechanics textbook

you've conceded every single point you made in the OP and shifted the goalposts to free will so I'll consider it a decisive win.

[Anonymous No.16165458]

>>16164122
No. Life is nothing like a strategy game. Life is poker. You can try to maximize your chances at success and only play a good hand, but at the and of the day a bluffing retard with a 2 and a 3 gets a straight flush and wins.

[Anonymous No.16165460]

>>16165393

See >>16164995
>>16165107
>>16165122

[Anonymous No.16165575]

>>16163620
Based and redpilled, has the exact same thought some time in mid 2018

[Anonymous No.16165597]

>>16163668
You could of easily been born black tho. It's pure luck you were born white.

[Anonymous No.16165609]

>>16165433
No my friend, you're the one moving the goalpost to some irrelevant quantum mechanics bullshit point. Free will is all there is to discuss when talking about peoples ideas of success or failure, or anything else that involves decisions, thoughts and actions.

It seems to be that just because we can't know the outcome of something doesn't mean it can't be deterministic, but I can concede the point that according to experts quantum mechanics is not deterministic. As such when they say they can't know certain things in the quantum world, they assign probabilities, so I don't really see what you're objecting to.
I don't know what books you're reading, but it seems to me you should ask for help in interpreting the material.

[Anonymous No.16165625]

>>16165433
Probability = luck based in this context even if its not "random"

[Anonymous No.16165627]

>>16163620
yep. this.

[Anonymous No.16165685]

>>16163620
Based lucid schitzoposter

[Anonymous No.16165723]

>>16163739
you can't predict the outcome but there is a statistical spread of probable outcomes. Are you saying I shouldn't e.g. exercise because the outcome is totally random? Life is random but you can still do your best to play the odds in your favor.

>>16164995
determinism != fatalism. More importantly, even after you accept that your life is determined, the illusion of choice persists. You can't escape the feeling of having choices, of being a free actor. The illusion itself is part of the deterministic process by which meat robots come to their decisions about things.

If you just take the determinism pill and stop there, you will devolve into fatalism which is just as fallacious and reality-denying as free will is. The fallacy of fatalism is in thinking your thoughts and decisions don't matter in the chain causality. The fallacy of free will is in thinking your thoughts and decisions are the only thing that matters (or, alternately, the only thing exempted from) the chain of causality.

[Anonymous No.16165747]

>>16165385
luck isn't a measure of anything dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.16165835]

>>16165340
the ability to 'tune in' is in everyone and you see similar themes in esoteric teachings or even mainstream religions

there's also the idea that reincarnation is real and our soul consists of multiple spirits weighted against each other

if that's true then our soul might be a continuation of a previous cycle

you're approaching this from a very logical and rational frame which is great but everything ends here. May as well entertain the absurd and irrational just to see where it leads

[Anonymous No.16165838]

>>16165723
Don't get me wrong, I was never arguing for fatalism. Of course your CHOICES matter, ie: you choosing to go to the gym will be the proximate cause of you becoming fit. I never said choice was an illusion. I would also add that realising free will to be an illusion doesn't necessarily lead to fatalism. It could simply lead to a more compassionate and understanding worldview since so much of our hatreds and anxieties towards others stems from the fact thag we view other people as the concious authors of their thoughts and actions that they are in a deep sense responsible for.

[Anonymous No.16165873]

>>16163620
based.
i decided to start praying again after decades of atheism. as soon as i did LINK mooned. im done with this shit society. everything is lies.

[Anonymous No.16165906]

>>16165835
If your soul is a continuation from a previous cycle, if such a thing is even true, then once again you are the product of events which you had no hand in making and for which you are once again not reponsible for.

[Anonymous No.16165918]

>>16165838
>It could simply lead to a more compassionate and understanding worldview
reddit

[Anonymous No.16165936]

>>16163593
low IQ cope lmao

[Anonymous No.16165950]

>>16163593
>Your success is purely luck and completely random. How do you deal with this terrible fact of life?

go all in chainlink, the only guaranteed shortcut to success in the history of humanity.

[Anonymous No.16165960]

what the fuck does the USD value of some token have to do with the fucking spitural world and the galaxy i mean seriously wtf yall are stupid

do you think the universe cares about links price being 1000 eoy?

why the fuck the uninverse or saturn even care about money ?

think about it you fucking retards,

yall just gonna be that old crazy loser mumbling to himself on the street

t14k link holder

[Anonymous No.16165965]

>>16165960
retard.

[Anonymous No.16165977]

>>16165597
Oh fuck off. I'm black and I found board.

Try shilling Chainlink to people you know. Then you know it's not random chance. Some people straight up aren't capable of understanding things like we understand them.

[Anonymous No.16165978]

>>16163593
OP is high IQ. Anyone who tries to refute this is too small brained to understand why it’s actually irrefutable.

[Anonymous No.16165986]

>>16165906
if it's a continuation of a previous cycle then perhaps our ability to be in tune could grow or weaken every cycle

or perhaps it's all by design - we're simply just agents or a means to breed out the ungodly genes and consciousness serves no other purpose - desire for freewill is a coping mechanism

ideas like this keeps us humble but overthinking about it isn't healthy either, like you said just be good and enjoy the ride

[Anonymous No.16166016]

>>16165978
it's irrefutable and even trump mentioned it ('everything is luck')

but things simply end here. Why not entertain esoteric themes to explore further - you don't have to believe them yet

[Anonymous No.16166019]

>>16165918
That doesnt imply open borders or whatever else other retarded shit you decided to associate with the word compassion

[Anonymous No.16166042]

>>16165747
that's what i said if you knew how to read sub 70 IQ faggot.

[Anonymous No.16166158]

>>16165458
This is a better analogy than chess. Also with no limit poker you then have a few who are lucky their entire life and dodge all the bullets. (very small percentage). But it is still luck in the end.

[Anonymous No.16166848]

>>16164995
You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.16166879]

>>16165233
>>16165352
I’ve written more lyrics, last one was to divinity this time to sad machine
https://youtu.be/HAIDqt2aUek

Is Papa Serg there?Oh - hi!


Who survived? The bear market?Anyone else but you?
On a lonely night was a blinding lightA hundred linkies would be borne of you


And though I know, since you've awakened neets againneets depends on Link, neets depends on Linkneets go alone, and never speak of this again
Neets depend on link, we depend on LinkAnd though I know, since you've awakened Serg againNeets depends on Link, neets depends on LinkNeets go alone, and never speak of this againWe depend on link, we depend...I'll depend on link

[Verse 2: Porter Robinson & AVANNA]
Blockchains don't know much about life beyond their chains No data from the world within these God-forsaken blocks
And I can hear it in his voice, in every speech This neet who's slept a hundred years has something after all

And though I know, since you've awakened neets againneets depends on Link, neets depends on Linkneets go alone, and never speak of this again
Neets depend on link, we depend on LinkAnd though I know, since you've awakened Serg againNeets depends on Link, neets depends on LinkNeets go alone, and never speak of this againWe depend on link, we depend...I'll depend on link


P.S I’ll do a complete rewriting of the worlds album soon and make a big thread

[Anonymous No.16166908]

>>16166879
Fixed the spacing
Is Papa Serg there?
Oh - hi!


Who survived? The bear market?Anyone else but you?
On a lonely night was a blinding lightA hundred linkies would be borne of you


And though I know, since you've awakened neets again
neets depends on Link, neets depends on Link
neets go alone, and never speak of this again
Neets depend on link, we depend on Link
And though I know, since you've awakened Serg again
Neets depends on Link, neets depends on Link
Neets go alone, and never speak of this again
We depend on link, we depend...I'll depend on link

[Verse 2: Porter Robinson & AVANNA]
Blockchains don't know much about life beyond their chains
No data from the world within these God-forsaken blocks
And I can hear it in his voice, in every speech
This neet who's slept a hundred years has something after all

And though I know, since you've awakened neets again
neets depends on Link, neets depends on Link
neets go alone, and never speak of this again
Neets depend on link, we depend on Link
And though I know, since you've awakened Serg again
Neets depends on Link, neets depends on Link
Neets go alone, and never speak of this again
We depend on link, we depend...I'll depend on link


P.S I’ll do a complete rewriting of the worlds album soon and make a big thread

[Anonymous No.16167106]

>>16164995
Brainlet. You've listened to far too much Sam Harris. Try reading some real philosophers for a change.

[Anonymous No.16167156]

>>16165723
THIS guy is majorly fuckin based. Thanks for posting.

[Anonymous No.16167160]

Wtf is this shit. I’ve just started listening to porter Robinson a lot, literally last 3 days. Then I go on biz and it’s Worlds cover with a LINK logo. It’s cannot be a coincidence. The universe is speak to us.
17k link btw

[Anonymous No.16167199]

>>16167160
Seriously wtf is happening man

[Anonymous No.16167225]

>>16164995
babby's first materialist temper tantrum

[Anonymous No.16167237]

>>16167199
Checked
>We're just going to make it

[Anonymous No.16167249]

>>16167160
Check out Virtual Self if you haven't

[Anonymous No.16167269]

>>16166042
>"which means luck is the only measure"

[Anonymous No.16167272]

>>16167199
Not even larping

[Anonymous No.16167285]

>>16166019
>That doesnt imply open borders
literally shit you just concocted in your 2 IQ brain

[Anonymous No.16167317]

>>16166848
This is what cognitive dissonance looks like.

[Anonymous No.16167337]

>>16167106
Yes I'm echoing his argument, so? Can you refute any of it? No? Ok, think what you want, it's not like you're free to do otherwise.

[Anonymous No.16167406]

>>16167285
He says as he relentlessly shitposts every step of the way. A true alpha.

[Anonymous No.16167476]

>>16167249
Virtual Self unironically made me go all in link. I’m not joking, I listened to it for a month straight along with his live shows and I knew link was the only thing that mattered anymore.
I was bumping angel voices the ghost voices remix and read the “you know how delusional that all sounds. Personally I’m all in” pasta and converted everything I own into link.

[Anonymous No.16167478]

>>16167225
>cope

[Anonymous No.16167525]

>>16163593
As I am reading this, I woke up at... 4:00AM. It's around 7oclock at night.. I... woke up and studied for my math exam. I'm in electrical engineering. I didn't study for it all weekend because I had some obligations to take care of that lasted 56 hours. I woke up and studied, then drove to work. I worked. Studied on lunch break. Arrived at the college an hour early. My car had a flat tire so I was ubering around, my money is all inside my investment accounts... so I didn't have money for a second Uber. I ran home on my legs, from college. I work construction. I aced the test to advance my education in electrical engineering. My investments went up 15% this month. Someone can kill me, that's a possibility. Until that moment it's all on me.

[Anonymous No.16167530]

>>16163593
You create your own luck, a lot like playing poker. There's a risk to every decision you make. Learn to make decisions that will most likely tilt the scales in your direction and you will find yourself on the receiving end of "good" luck more than "bad" luck.

[Anonymous No.16167538]

>>16167476
I love this

[Anonymous No.16167612]

>>16167530
His whole point is you don’t make decisions. Everything you do is the product of your brain reacting to something out of your control, and that brain reaction is only reactionary, and only based on previous events which you also had no say in. You have never made a choice in your life. Choice is a human construct meant to give us a feeling of control over something we all — deep down inside — know we have no control over nor even can begin to understand. It’s a coping mechanism for the unknown, much like religion. It’s a survival instinct.

[Anonymous No.16167668]

>>16167530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAnlBW5INYg

[Anonymous No.16167704]

>>16167668
I hate saying this because Harris is a faggot but he’s actually right.
Your brain is a physical system and physical systems, even complex ones, don’t have free will.
But how does this help me make it

[Anonymous No.16167708]

>>16167668
I'm sure you've realized by now from reading some of these posts that peoples brains literally cannot handle the truth.

[Anonymous No.16167764]

>>16167708
Yes this logic is not easy to grasp for most.

[Anonymous No.16167787]

>>16167704
It may or may not help you to make it. It's not possible to predict the future.

[Anonymous No.16167822]

>>16167612
How do we know we didn't choose our brain/parents/etc... before we were born though?

[Anonymous No.16167835]

>>16167612
If we don't have the power to make decisions, why is it that every time I truly, deeply pray - I materialize the outcome I desire. Maybe y'all mfers just don't know how to use your magic.

[Anonymous No.16167850]

>>16167822
If that were the case
Why the fuck wouldn’t you choose a brain like Tao or parents that love you unconditionally.
Why would anyone choose abusive drug using shitheads.
You’re retarded

[Anonymous No.16167873]

>>16167822
Even if you did, you still wouldn't be able to explain WHY you chose the way you chose. You can add as many levels of spirituality or extra dimensions as you want, but there is no way to describe a way in which causes propagate in the universe so as to make sense of this notion of free will.

[Anonymous No.16167878]

>>16167850
Because there are rules

[Anonymous No.16167898]

>>16167835
You're conflating the idea of CHOICE with the idea of FREE WILL.
Choice is still a thing. If you do A it will result in B. If you pray or do whatever else you think is the cause of your situation then that's one thing, but the things that led up to you thinking to make that choice in the first place is something that's completely different.

[Anonymous No.16167903]

>>16167835
Materialize deez nuts bitch

[Anonymous No.16167920]

>>16167898
Can't prove free will, yet. Doesn't mean it's a certainty that it doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.16167947]

>>16167704
>what is gödel's incompleteness theorem

[Anonymous No.16167950]

>>16167920
See >>16164995
Or >>16167668

Free will is a completely incoherent concept. Not only does it not exist, you can't even describe a possible universe where it COULD exist.

[Anonymous No.16167965]

>>16163593
look up chakras buddy
only heartlets are stuck at solarplexus/red/random chaakra

[Anonymous No.16167972]

>>16167947
spell it out for us since you seem to think it's relevant

[Anonymous No.16167987]

>>16167965
What does this have to do with free will?

[Anonymous No.16167998]

>>16167920

You can prove determinism. A synapse is deterministic, therefore a collection of synapses (the brain) is as well, by induction.

[Anonymous No.16168005]

>>16165263
Sharing this with all anons and (you) because my bag now got a decent size.
I'm mining on pocketnet.app it's still somewhat of a secret and people don't even contest every stake on the content side.

Cracked 10k users now and is traded between 2-5cents on the site and I already got a decent ever growing bag.
I don't even bother with the referall link because I get enough from the mining.

[Anonymous No.16168067]

>>16167950
uhhh, ever heard of solipsism, buddy?

[Anonymous No.16168077]

>>16167950
So what's the main takeaway? My future has already been written? How can I view this in a positive light?

[Anonymous No.16168079]

>>16165263
the amount you try or gamble is predetermined by a unknown number of factors and is out of your control.

[Anonymous No.16168089]

>>16168079
an*

[Anonymous No.16168092]

>>16164995
Wrong. The Uncertainty Principle confirms that freewill is indeed a real thing

[Anonymous No.16168155]

>>16168092
Just because the future is uncertain doesn't mean we have the free will to decide what the future will be. You can't predict the future and you can't decide what the future will actually be with so called "freewill". Uncertainty principle sounds more like the worlds random number generator principle.

[Anonymous No.16168182]

>>16168077

You can't, look at where you are. You're pond scum on a tiny rock in a vast universe. Life dies if it doesn't find itself significant, which is why finding significance is a massive part of living for humans. The ones who didn't, didn't reproduce.

[Anonymous No.16168228]

>>16163593
You never know what worse luck your bad luck saved you from.
Suck it up and try to make good decisions.

[Anonymous No.16168256]

>>16167538
Thanks, I was technically all in link before but not like how I was after Virtual Self came out. We need him to DJ the VR yacht party. Even the VR one will be slightly dangerous imo, but I don’t give a fuck because I know Mommy Blythe has my back, the mafia don of precious metal manipulation.
Don’t worry by eoy I will do a written vocalese of every song on Worlds, maybe virtual self’s debut too.
t. pathselector

[Anonymous No.16168263]

>>16168077
The main takeaway is to enjoy the ride and to realize that your hatreds and prejudices can erode when you realize people for what they are. Some retard in this thread misinterpreted this idea. If a person goes rampant you're going to want to still take action to constrain him, but at least you won't look at people with a visceral sense of hatred like you would when you assume that people are the conscious authors of their thoughts and actions.

[Anonymous No.16168264]

>>16163593
>How do you deal with this terrible fact of life?

terrible?

[Anonymous No.16168348]

>>16163620
Absolutely based

[Anonymous No.16168394]

>>16163620
There were outside factors in your life/past that made you think and say that exact thing you just said. Those factors were random and could of been an infinite number of different scenarios.

[Anonymous No.16168659]

>>16167249
I’m aware lol. My friends are huge porter fans I just hadn’t listened to him. I’m seeing him next month though

[Anonymous No.16168976]

>>16164995
>Your thoughts sinply appear in conciousness

No they don't 100% pop up randomly. I can will myself to think along certain lines. Or not think at all. Just like I can just will my arm tp move my arm up or down. If I don't remember someone's name I can will myself to search my memory until it comes up. I can will myself to think of a solution to a problem. I can will myself to think of words that start with A for the next hour. Sucks that apparently your brain is just a boombox that replays things that you've heard like Sam Harris youtube videos and shit.

[Anonymous No.16168997]

>>16163593
I worked for my success. I worked really fucking hard. Chance plays a factor, but my success is due to work and persistence.

[Anonymous No.16169065]

>>16168997
You being born with the genetics you currently have was pure luck. The hard work is just a manifestation of the random outside factors that influenced your life and actions. Also purely random and luck. You are doing exactly what you are supposed to be doing. No free will at all.

[Anonymous No.16169119]

>>16168997
rationalizing. you have to justify the outcomes in your life somehow. though your subjecive experience lead you to this conclusion, you are not a reliable narrator of your own life. fundamental attribution error with a heavy sprinkle of confirmation bias.

[Anonymous No.16169158]

>>16163593
Easy. Be lucky.

[Anonymous No.16169188]

>>16168092
The concept of free will is arbitrary and anthropic. An omnipotent or omniscient being has no free will since it does not have to make choices, for example.
You could argue the universe is deterministic but youd have to prove it is materialist.

[Anonymous No.16169205]

Nothing is free, decay pays for time.

[Anonymous No.16169211]

>>16163593
linkies are so desperate

[Anonymous No.16169217]

>>16169211
wow stinkers really are stinky

[Anonymous No.16169241]

>>16167972
Given an apparently consistent logic system like the one that we inhabit (the universe and its laws as far as we can understand, the brain and its operation as far as we understand and so on), there are statements that you can make using the logic of the system which are not provable or falsifiable using the logic of the system alone (eg. 'there is something like free will that allows us to behave counter to the logic of the universe/brain as we understand it). You cannot even prove that an apparently consistent logic system is truly consistent using the logic of the system alone, which means that any claim you make about the perfect consistency of a 'physical system' using the logic of that physical system is unproveable question begging.

[Anonymous No.16169317]

>>16168997
May or may not be true. Everyone who makes it claim it was hard work, almost nobody says it was luck.
I guess what you can say is there really isnt any practical difference between skill and luck

[Anonymous No.16169391]

>>16163593
>he just read chapter 5 of his philosophy 101 textbook
congrats on becoming Sam Harris

[Anonymous No.16169545]

>>16168976
See >>16167668 and watch the first 5 minutes, it addresses your exact example. Yes Sam Harris makes this point more eloquently than anyone else I've heard talk about this subject. Think what you want about Harris on other points, but when it comes to free will his argument is bulletproof.

[Anonymous No.16169579]

>>16169391
Congrats on refuting nothing. Cope more

[Anonymous No.16169591]

>>16169241
Does it say that there is nothing that is provable or that there are SOME things that cannot be proven?

[Anonymous No.16169709]

>>16168997
I actually feel bad for you because I think you really believe this, which indicates you can't see more than an inch or so in front of you. Maybe I shouldn't feel that way, as ignorance generally leads to a happier existence, and you're likely the kind of person for whom the truth would be too depressing... but still, it's clear that at this point in humanity's timeline we are on a progressive trajectory in terms of self realization and you essentially have a cave man brain compared to anyone who can both see and has learned to accept the truth.

Either way, I hope you make it, anon.

[Anonymous No.16169753]

>>16165263
OP's point is that everything you do is predetermined in the sense that even your apetite for risk-taking (which ultimately becomes a factor of success) is the result of your genes

all these successful people are successful because they had the genes to compel them to work hard and are born smart enough to capitalize on this drive

[Anonymous No.16169760]

>>16163593
Friendly reminder that eternal life is freely given theough our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

My sheep hear my voice.

https://youtu.be/BXMA4xOS5BY

[Anonymous No.16169779]

>>16169591
Some. For the sake of the current discussion, this includes claims about what may or may not be 'informing' the logic system from outside the parameters to which the logic system pertains, like for instance a potential cause of the 'randomness' we observe in qm.

[Anonymous No.16169782]

>>16169760

[Anonymous No.16169869]

>>16165838
Not what he said at all, reread his post.

[Anonymous No.16170032]

>>16169591
>>16169779
you can intuit this problem well enough by imagining a computer that is conscious and reflective of (the electrical signals resulting from) keyboard inputs like we are of the information that we perceive with our senses. The computer might be able to make statements about what causes or leads to the delivery of these inputs. However using self reflective knowledge and logic of its current circuitry, it would not be able to prove whether or not fingers are pressing keys to send the information that the computer receives.

[Anonymous No.16170286]

>>16167160
You’re on the right path. This is a nod from the universe.

[Anonymous No.16170313]

>>16163593
Joke's on you im not even successful

[Anonymous No.16170344]

>>16164995

Based As Fuck, any anon who thinks they re free is just fooling themselfs.

[Anonymous No.16171160]

>>16163615
got almost 40linkis faggs

[Anonymous No.16171174]

hey faggots go build something

[Anonymous No.16171217]

>>16164995
i find people who tend to believe in some kind of determinism are so because they are spiritual redditors. if you hardly ever act out the rational soul, only appeasing the vegetative and sensitive souls, not using the rational soul enough to use it. it gets better anon!
Sam Harris is a pseudo-intellectual rhetorician and to be ignored
you rely on very reductionistic neuroscience too, no expert worth his salt would say the brain works even analogously to how you say it does besides some retarded linguists.
you entirely rely on materialism, something that is plainly untrue i think demonstrably. choice of action and thought happens in the will, men who do not exercise their will will be deluded into thinking it isnt there. your soul is the phenomena you encounter and within it you obviously make choices. you are idealizing a world in which everything is is moving about with only one true input instead of many.
what you say is true for even sophisticated animals but not the Political Animal.

[Anonymous No.16171224]

>>16171217
>I answer that, Man has free-will: otherwise counsels, exhortations, commands, prohibitions, rewards, and punishments would be in vain. In order to make this evident, we must observe that some things act without judgment; as a stone moves downwards; and in like manner all things which lack knowledge. And some act from judgment, but not a free judgment; as brute animals. For the sheep, seeing the wolf, judges it a thing to be shunned, from a natural and not a free judgment, because it judges, not from reason, but from natural instinct. And the same thing is to be said of any judgment of brute animals. But man acts from judgment, because by his apprehensive power he judges that something should be avoided or sought. But because this judgment, in the case of some particular act, is not from a natural instinct, but from some act of comparison in the reason, therefore he acts from free judgment and retains the power of being inclined to various things. For reason in contingent matters may follow opposite courses, as we see in dialectic syllogisms and rhetorical arguments. Now particular operations are contingent, and therefore in such matters the judgment of reason may follow opposite courses, and is not determinate to one. And forasmuch as man is rational is it necessary that man have a free-will.

[Anonymous No.16171240]

>>16163620
wdym with spirit world exactly? something esoteric or the platonic realm of ideas?

[Anonymous No.16171286]

>>16169545
>""bulletproof""
anyone who believes this proves their ideas to be less than worthless.
not even getting into the shortcomings of atomic theory.

[Anonymous No.16171425]

>>16163620
>Yeah, well here's a plot twist: When I give in to the schizophrenia, I get ahead in life. When I do what I'm peer-pressured into doing, I fucking fail.
Best sentence in the whole 4chan since a long time. Some people flourish in chaos, are able to be guided by chaos.

[Anonymous No.16171693]

>>16165906
> then once again you are the product of events which you had no hand in making and for which you are once again not reponsible for.
Perhaps you have a choice. You are not responsible for previous events, but for the future ones.

[Anonymous No.16171782]

>>16164122
>its not
being this retarded

genetics is luck based. Genetics predetermines success, brainlet

[Anonymous No.16171803]

>>16163593
I was the fastest sperm. At least I have that going for me.

[Anonymous No.16171811]

>>16163593
A based fren made a statistic that it is 32x more likely we get struck by a lightning than hold 1 LINK.

We are blessed, fren.

[Anonymous No.16171817]

Luck is just taking action on opportunity.

[Anonymous No.16171834]

>>16163593
That’s literally everyone though. Even genes are luck
>>16163615
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.16171875]

>>16171782
>implying 'you' actually exist as an agent rather than as a part of the universe experiencing itself.
Boys, free will is an illusion - you all are just watching a film. And I am watching one in which I'll be a fucking millionaire less than 2 years from now

[Anonymous No.16171920]

>>16171875
I think free will might exist, but it's a really tiny free will. Perhaps like 0.1% of your choices and actions. I don't know. I you let yourself guide by the "spirit world" like >>16163620 said, you might amplify your free will. Perhaps you have to focus on what you want, and then wander into chaos until that thing comes to you.

[Anonymous No.16172019]

>>16171811
>12 months test net
>4 months main net
>nobody can name a single dapp with users using Chainlink oracles in production
>(with proof link to dapp.com/dappradar/etherscan)
>Linkers: this is bullish!

[Anonymous No.16172049]

>>16171817
FRM

Action my friend, action.

[Anonymous No.16172166]

>>16163593
>>16163671
>everything is entirely improbable and your efforts are worthless no matter what because i say so
compelling argument
so, if i'm alone in the woods and it's getting really cold and i need to make a fire, then it is entirely futile to so much as attempt to build a fire myself and i'm better off doing whatever other entirely fruitless things i feel like doing while i wait for my luck to cause a bunch of burning sticks to just manifest out of thin air into a neat little pile in front of me and i'll be okay
if success is purely luck and completely random, then the above statement is true—and if you think that success IS as such, then you are a complete and utter retard whose failure in life is probably in large part a result of your garbage philosophy

[Anonymous No.16172866]

>>16172019

>Be Bitcoin
>Do nothing but be measurable and tradable.

Everybody: this is bullish

[Anonymous No.16172887]

>>16163593

I go on, and on, and on, and on. Then, once I hit a milestone, I turn the page.

[Anonymous No.16173689]

>>16172166
No it would be luck if were are able to get the fire started and bad luck if you couldn't start the fire.

[Anonymous No.16173808]

>>16172166
Your IQ is under 90 for sure.

[Anonymous No.16174556]

>>16173689
>>16173808
>makes a brief response
>then writes another brief response, in another post
omg it's boomie's first adventure off facebook!! everyone be nice :) etcetera
your iq is average at best and your fundamental approach to problem solving is as sound as logic rooted in mythology
even if you were to define "luck" as something that can be improved—like a skill—you'd still be completely retarded for pointlessly using such a common term in such an obtuse manner to no apparent benefit, while expecting others to understand what you mean
you can improve yours and everyone else's odds, sure—but i mean that's kinda like, y'know, a SKILL
genetics play an enormous role in intelligence, but to say that you being born with retard genetics is "you being dealt a bad hand" is purely down to human empathy. is it "bad luck" if a lion is not capable of starting a fire when he's wandered into the arctic tundra, or is this lion subjecting himself to terrible odds by wandering into territory where he's surrounding himself with circumstances detrimental to his survival? similarly, if someone with an IQ of 59 cannot operate a motor vehicle, who other than this individual is to say that they so much as WANT to operate one in the first place? WE can see their pitiable condition and misfortune—but do THEY feel that they are "unlucky"?

[Anonymous No.16174589]

>>16174556
Schizophrenia medical alert.

[Anonymous No.16174640]

>>16174589
too bad you didn't have the luck to come up with any argument you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.16174682]

>>16174556

[Anonymous No.16174692]

>>16163593

Sucess isn't luck. Gambling for quick and cheap success is.

[Anonymous No.16175046]

>>16174682
given the fact that electricity traveling down a wire is down to luck, then isn't a brain no more likely to cook inside of someone's head than it is inside of a microwave?
jesus christ, dude—a thread died for this shit
also, you contradict yourself with the statements in >>16163739 and >>16173689
if this is bait and you're ONLY PRETENDING to be retarded then that's epic and all is forgiven, but otherwise i'm reporting you and your seven dangerous yards of dick fungus to jordan peterson