100% tech talk only - why /biz hate bsv?

[Anonymous No.15808461]

when data is onchain who needs oracle? i dont see how chainlink incentive modelnis fair

[Anonymous No.15808474]

>>15808461
opcodes smart contract ide http://scrypt.studio/ on bsv

[Anonymous No.15808513]

>>15808461
There has always been an 'oracle' on the BitCoin blockchain. Some have died and failed, some have observed in the shadows to grow in strength and itelligence - to become superior and 'kill' all the other competition in it's universe. It just needs uncapped blocks with a link to Genesis incurring the past 10 years of transaction history having roots from the very first transaction.

[Anonymous No.15808515]

https://twitter.com/ari_cryptonized/status/1179647335812476930

All these second layer node services need to be paid for otherwise it's a meme. The solution seems simple though, every action needs to have a micropayment to monetize the service this was the whole idea with metanet.

[Anonymous No.15808516]

>>15808513

[Anonymous No.15808518]

>>15808461
Fuck linkies

[Anonymous No.15808539]

>>15808461
the poster boy for bsv is an obvious fraud.
if you want to scale it HAS to happen on layer 2, not on chain.
if BSV will be adopted beyond a weather app it will be completely centralized.

unlimited blocksize doesnt work and is exactly what the bsv payjeet army says about core, it's crippling the idea of bitcoin rendering it useless.

TLTR, bsv is a shitcoin created to scam people

[Anonymous No.15808549]

>>15808515
and these early metanet business should be setting every action to the smallest cost possible. Then as protocols and apps compete markets will develop and the price of a twetch, api call etc will be optimised
it should be profitable to run an unwriter node by receiving money from microtransactions everytime your node services something

[Anonymous No.15808562]

>>15808516
is this still happening? what he talks abt is beyond me... maybe technobable? eli5

[Anonymous No.15808570]

>>15808461
because it's a shitcoin anon

[Anonymous No.15808573]

>>15808539
100% tech
satoshi craig not ITT

[Anonymous No.15808581]

>>15808570
not relevant
nxt has value

[Anonymous No.15808603]

>>15808515
am I fucking retarded or is monetized bsv service nodes gonna be like cpu mining in 2010 all over again?

[Anonymous No.15808635]

BSV can be simply DDoSed. Well, not literally. All these retarded community services like Bico.Media that have to run expensive nodes for free just to let others download the full MLP archive and other garbage on chain won't handle the real server load and/or will run out of money. It's just a matter of time before they shut down.

[Anonymous No.15808659]

>>15808635
exactly that's why if you use it you should have to pay it. I unironically thought unwriter had set it up like that but he's just made all this shit free which is never going to be sustainable. That was the whole idea of metanet. When there's cost there's no ddos because massive demand just means massive potential profit to run a node

a business would add margin to cost of using one of the nodes

[Anonymous No.15808666]

>>15808659
>when there'S cost there's no ddos
i think you don't know what ddos is and how it works

[Anonymous No.15808668]

>>15808461

[Anonymous No.15808694]

>>15808666
ddos is when you overwhelm a server with traffic.
it should be to call a server it costs an amount of bsv that is profitable for the server that means it's not possible to overwhelm the network because for every call it is profitable to serve it. Ie the higher the traffic the more people turn on nodes

[Anonymous No.15808696]

>>15808635
"its more profitable to follow the rules then attacking the chain"

read the whitepaper

[Anonymous No.15808713]

>>15808659
he's probably charge for it
whoever he is he's from NY

[Anonymous No.15808723]

>>15808694
>>15808696
a blockchain is a distributed network maintaining a database. you can DDos any computer connected to the internet by sending requests which the server has to take care of, valid or invalid. there is no BSV involved at all at this stage, all you need is a bot army.

>"its more profitable to follow the rules then attacking the chain"
attacking the chain in the sense of altering it

[Anonymous No.15808735]

>>15808659
If the content owner has to make regular payments to make his content accessible, this is not different from regular web hosting (even worse, in fact, because you have no benefits of cashing and server-side scripting)

Which means, "websites on chain" like CSW envisioned are a completely gibberish idea: the end user still connects to a web server, not the blockchain, and web servers have a cost, they're never free.

>>15808696
This has nothing to do with the whitepaper, it's about the clumsy second-layer web shit. Web sites can be DDoSed and do fall under the load all the time. BSV is obviously an outdated tech since users can't connect to a mining node through, say, websockets, they have to use unwriter's centralized second layer node (oh, and the mining farms are centralized themselves, what an irony). In this respect, I see concepts like Nimiq as an inherently superior solution.

[Anonymous No.15808757]

>>15808713
it's just like aws then
the value proposition in metanet is in integrating economics into the code
You should not be able to a use unwriters services without paying the cost of the service (unwriter doesn't have to make a profit but he needs to charge per call to at least break even)

>>15808723
we are not talking about mining nodes we are talking about unwriters nodes which are second layer

>you can DDos any computer connected to the internet by sending requests which the server has to take care of, valid or invalid.
I know, if unwriter makes requests cost bsv paid to the owner of the node the unwriter network can not be ddos because valid or invalid requests are profitable to fulfill and anyone can run a node.

>>15808735
he doesn't make regular payments each request costs money. If it is a business using unwriter requests this cost has a margin added to it and then that cost is paid by the user of the business. Then there is a market for protocols and apps and service on the packet level which is what metanet is about

[Anonymous No.15808764]

>>15808757
obviously the requests are like microcents, it doesn't matter, only that it is an amount that the node owner makes a profit serving the request

[Anonymous No.15808794]

>>15808735
>>15808757
thanks valid point

[Anonymous No.15808805]

>>15808461
>bsv
Its promoted by a know scammer

[Anonymous No.15808817]

>>15808805
go away
not relevant
vitalik is a bigger scammer for the record

[Anonymous No.15808821]

>>15808461
If you think all or even most data will be on chain, then you dont understand how slow blockchain is, and how fast data is accessed now.

Look at apache arrow, dremio and the such

[Anonymous No.15808833]

>>15808821
ok thxs

[Anonymous No.15808836]

So, CSW said, "let's put the whole internet on chain!" Let's ignore for a moment the obvious fact that you can only upload static sites (i.e. no PHP, Python, mySQL etc). Now that the website is on chain, does the user access it directly from the blockchain? NO, he uses a service like bico.media run by a janny working for free. What is someone sends a MASSIVE amount of traffic to his clickbait porn landing page? What if every sóyboy rushes to download the full MLP archive stored on BSV? The janny's service will simply run out of resources, considering that it's even more cucked than a regular web server because it has to process potentially unlimited web requests and synchronize the blockchain with potentially unlimited blocks at the same time.

In other words, BSV assumes that there must be some volunteer jannies syncing their 8-core nodes for free, otherwise "the internet on chain" won't work at all.

[Anonymous No.15808840]

it's very frustrating to realise the perceived progress of what has been built on unwritters services is just subsidy not at all in the spirit of metanet.
If I knew how to code I'd go and copy everything he's done but put a microtransaction on every action payable to the person running the node

[Anonymous No.15808867]

haven't heard from the BSV roaches in weeks but suddenly they came back
I wonder why

[Anonymous No.15808869]

>>15808836
you're completely correct if unwriter doesn't integrate economics into his system or some makes his system with micropayments
the whole point of metanet is integrating micropayments into the internet protocol
running a bico media node will be profitable as making requests of it will cost a micro transaction. ANyone would be able to download and run a node to make money

[Anonymous No.15808873]

>>15808869
then economies of scale would develop as we saw with sha256 mining where home mining is no longer profitable

[Anonymous No.15808880]

you bugs are more deluded than stinky linkies

[Anonymous No.15808887]

>>15808880
>roaches
>bugs
hello greg, how are the lemmings

[Anonymous No.15808890]

>>15808840
>if i know how to code
fucking learn faggot

[Anonymous No.15808895]

>>15808880
>>15808867
go away
>digital gold makes me buttcoin

[Anonymous No.15808896]

>>15808890
>bsv shill
>learning to code
hah

[Anonymous No.15808900]

>>15808461
because its a scam and the guy isnt satoshi and it has been proven on ALL occasions

[Anonymous No.15808902]

>>15808880
nice arguments corecuck.

[Anonymous No.15808914]

>>15808902
>>15808895
>>15808887
>bugs gets them triggered
I see
how's China this time of year

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[Anonymous No.15808926]

>>15808914
what do you think of incentivizing bitcoin apis with micropayments?

[Anonymous No.15808930]

>>15808817
>not relevant
COPE
>vitalik is a bigger scammer for the record
no he is a richer scammer, don't recall any judgers calling him a liar

[Anonymous No.15808942]

>>15808900
not tech related fuck off

[Anonymous No.15808948]

>>15808942
its a scam even on tech level.
literally a useless fork

[Anonymous No.15808951]

>>15808930
fuck off ethereum cant scale
he nodded on the record
here we discuss why bsv is a scam technically

[Anonymous No.15808961]

>>15808926
Web micropayments can be EASILY implemented using any chain with fast/zero-conf payments (NANO, BCH, DASH etc.). As long as the browser wallet app supports on-page payments (i.e. when you hover over a valid address, a "pay" button pops up) and the website makes a simple http request in javascript to a blockchain explorer to confirm the payment, this can be done without using centralized services like MoneyButton.

[Anonymous No.15808964]

>>15808926
>BSV
>2nd layer service nodes
>"incentivizing bitcoin APIs"
>micropayments
you retards need to stop talking, you're making yourself look dumber with every post

[Anonymous No.15808967]

>>15808948
>weather app
>useless
>scales
it just wont die im looking into it seriously

[Anonymous No.15808981]

>>15808967
>weather app
how is it any better than other weather apps, and I dont even need a weather app to predict the fucking weather when I can just look outside and predict with more accuracy from the cloud patterns than any goddamn meteorologist

[Anonymous No.15808982]

>>15808961
>easily
no competitor

[Anonymous No.15808984]

>>15808967
>weather app
>not useless

[Anonymous No.15808986]

>>15808961
I didn't ask about micropayments, I said using them to incentivise apis

[Anonymous No.15808988]

>>15808964
t. own btc and bsv fuck off

[Anonymous No.15808994]

>>15808981
oracle dumbass its on post #1

[Anonymous No.15809002]

>>15808988
stop responding to them they are trying to derail your thread

[Anonymous No.15809003]

>>15808994
nigger there is zero use for weather apps.

[Anonymous No.15809006]

>>/biz/thread/S15442562#p15443619

[Anonymous No.15809015]

>>15809003
agree not yet
weather app + oracle + futures
why not

[Anonymous No.15809017]

>>15809015
>weather futures

[Anonymous No.15809025]

>>15809006
thx

[Anonymous No.15809029]

>>15809017
>smart contract + insurance

[Anonymous No.15809031]

>>15809025
weather sv at 6hour 18min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHgMDhISGw&t=27966s

[Anonymous No.15809046]

>>15809006
based
>weather app
>useless
fail

[Anonymous No.15809059]

>>15809046
>>15809031
watch the presentation he says it delivers weather better than the bureau can and is useful in agricultural supply chain and insurance

[Anonymous No.15809926]

>>15808515
>>15808635
>>15808735
>>15808836
OH NO NO NO
BSVtards BTFO once again