/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.15702911]

/k/ here

The most valuable currency to have in a collapse is bullets. I'm gonna tell you fags what to stock up on before the next election. You WILL see at least a doubling in value of all of these items in the next 12 months.

[Anonymous No.15702977]

>He actually buys factory ammo
Yes, good goy. Don't bother reloading, that's only for poor people.

That said, I only have the components for maybe 1000 more rounds, so I'll need to buy some more in the next week or two.

[Anonymous No.15703009]

>>15702911
I made a lot off ammo first time Obama won. I went out and bought a bunch of 9mm (didnt even own 9mm gun at that point) held it till that kiddio shot up that school in CT and made bank. Thanks anti gunners :)

[Anonymous No.15703026]

>>15703009
Panic bought that night I should say.

[Anonymous No.15703053]

>>15702911
Ill trade you 1 cup of water for 10,000 bullets 3 days after the happening.

[Anonymous No.15703081]

>>15703009
How?

I've got almost a thousand rounds of 5.56. is that enough to make it? Also how many months of food and water do I need for a suicide stack?

[Anonymous No.15703087]

>>15702911
finally some good financial advice on this shit board

[Anonymous No.15703153]

>>15702911
There are thousands of calibers out there, but as always it's important to remember the concept of supply and demand. Get whatever ammunition most people will be trying to aquire.


For pistol rounds, there are three main calibers. .40 smith and Wesson, .45 acp, and 9mm luger.

.40 smith and Wesson is not a good caliber to stock up on for anything but personal use. It is being abandoned by most law enforcement agencies and private shooters in favor of 9mm. You can get these bullets (and the guns that fire them) for cheap right now due to police surplus, but not many people will want to buy them.


9mm ammuntion represents the single best investment in terms of pistol calibers. During previous ammo shortages caused by political events, this ammunition has sold for over a dollar a round (compared to the 15 cents or so it can be had for right now). Its VERY common, being the most widely used pistol caliber in the world. In america it is used by most police departments, aswell as the millitary and most private shooters.

.45 acp is a decent investment, expect to pay about 20 cents per round if you purchase this ammo in bulk. Though the round is not as common as 9mm, it has been around for over a hundred years and is still favored by millions of private shooters. Hedge with this, but aquire primarily 9mm.

[Anonymous No.15703198]

>>15702977
I reload. But most people do not. If any of you want to get into the reloading game do it NOW. The moment ammo prices surge everybody starts to get into reloading. Then private shooters and commerical reloaders start competing for primers and powder in a scarce environment.

You can expect to pay 10x more for a primer in 2021 then for a primer now if a democrat candidate wins.

You can expect to pay 2x3 times more for a common desired powder like h110 or varget once things accelerate.

[Anonymous No.15703232]

>>15703009
This. There is going to be so much money to be made off of people that didnt have the time preference to prepare.

[Anonymous No.15703237]

>>15703198
Isn't reloading the most tedious fucking thing on the planet? Obviously a good skill though.

[Anonymous No.15703246]

>>15703081
9mm was cheap at the time. Just had it unopened in boxes. Then that kid killed like 21 kids in a school. ammo got extremely hard to find and buy in store and I sold it off about a month later as i still did not own a 9mm at that point..
As to how I found someone to dump it on. A gun forum for my state. Only sale I ever made. But it's okay. I wasted it all on the war hammer 40k meme... worst investment ever.

I cant tell if you will or not make it. Hope a anti gun dem wins big and some nut kills a bunch of people and pray ammo gets hard to find.
...
Profit

[Anonymous No.15703254]

>>15703232
Who the fuck do you sell the ammo to though?

[Anonymous No.15703255]

>>15703053
I'll shoot you and take your water.

[Anonymous No.15703272]

>>15703081
Minimum to make it is 10k rounds of the super common calibers. (9mm 556 and .308)


You should honestly try to get another case or two of 556 ammo now.

[Anonymous No.15703302]

>>15703087
Bullets have intrinsic value, fake internet monopoly money does not.

>>15703254

Go to gun shows when shit gets bad. Or sell to stupid friends that didn't buy in time. Hell, make local craigslist listings or sell on gunbroker / armslist.

It's easy anon.

[Anonymous No.15703306]

>>15703272
I'd probably diversify into 9mm. I also need to buy a pistol ffs. Are shotguns and shells a bad investment? Outside personal use.

[Anonymous No.15703313]

>>15703237
I have a progress press, each time I pull the handle I get another round. It's slow, but it's basically a requirement in my country because ammo is so expensive.

[Anonymous No.15703341]

>>15703081
For a complete suicide stack, you need
1 [one] Bullet
0 [zero] Food
0 [zero] Water

[Anonymous No.15703342]

>>15703313
I been wanting to get one of these so bad. But nope. I bought stupid plastic for a shit game

[Anonymous No.15703359]

>>15702911
Wont matter if my linkies 500x

[Anonymous No.15703363]

>>15703306
Shotgun shells were not nearly as rare as other types of ammo, but CERTAIN kinds of shotgun ammo were absoloutely rare valuable.

Dont stock up on birdshot unless your planning on prepping for SHTF, in which case that stuff will be very useful for allowing people to feed themselves via hunting.

Buy law enforcement grade buckshot and slugs. At least 250 rounds of each. They WILL sell for over a dollar a round.

[Anonymous No.15703393]

>>15703363
Based OP. Giving good advice. Better than all this crypto shit advice

[Anonymous No.15703400]

>>15703306
PSA has 250 dollar mnp 9mm shields

https://palmettostatearmory.com/smith-wesson-m-p-shieldtm-9mm.html

These are good to go. These will likely sell for more then they sell for now, but not by much as they have no assault weapon features that are likely to be banned.

[Anonymous No.15703407]

>>15703341
>pull trigger
>round misfires

[Anonymous No.15703411]

>>15702977
Reloading doesn't save you any money though, it's barely worth the time invested.

[Anonymous No.15703444]

>>15703411
It saves you a shitload of money. A round of 9mm is like 50c here, or around 11-12c if you reload. I haven't done the maths, but it's in the ballpark.

[Anonymous No.15703446]

Nice just bought 10k rounds

[Anonymous No.15703460]

>>15702911
literally and unironically, investing in a gun manufacturer leading into the election might actually not be a bad idea. Especially if people are skeptical a democrat will take there guns.

what is the way to go about doing this? is there a company or stock i can put my money into?

[Anonymous No.15703468]

>During previous ammo shortages caused by political events, this ammunition has sold for over a dollar a round (compared to the 15 cents or so it can be had for right now).

Oh shit where do I buy? I think Trump will win again though. Dems look very weak

[Anonymous No.15703479]

>>15703153
You forgot to mention .22 lr. 1 brick of .22 sold for $15 today can be worth $50 or more if the panic starts. The biggest flaw in your plan is not taking into consideration that Trump WILL win, and all your purchases will drop in value because there will be a surplus generated by the election run up. This isn't bad if you shoot because it is quite literally impossible to ever have too-much ammo but if you are buying it as an investment hoping to sell higher you will get absolutely rekt when Trump wins.

[Anonymous No.15703482]

>>15703393
Thanks anon. Remember that the things which will gain the most value are the items whose supply cannot adjust to meet demand. High capacity magazines once banned from new production, will fetch incredibly high prices.

Gi mags for ar15 rifles were selling for 6 bucks last year. Now they sell for 9 bucks. They will sell for over a hundred dollars a piece if a ban is imminent, and for more then 200 dollar a piece if a ban is enacted.


Buy bulk 30/40 round rifle magazines, as well as any pistol mag that holds over 15 rounds.

Specifically aquire European 30 round ak47 magazines, magpul / GI ar15 mags, and glock mags.

These are cheap and easily sellable as there are millions of guns that use them.

[Anonymous No.15703491]

>>15703400
$250 is a nice price. I need something reliable and comfortable for daily carry.

Are drum mags even practical for a rifle? It seems like you'd lost a fuck load of mobility and stability and I can't justify the price really all. I do think a drum mag on shotgun would be pure sex though.

[Anonymous No.15703504]

>>15703342
Reloading presses arent expensive. Get a progressive press and start saving money now. Ask /k/ for help.

[Anonymous No.15703521]

>>15703468
At the rate we're going Zion Don will have taken the guns himself in his second term.

[Anonymous No.15703558]

>>15703009
I remember my dad bought a Bushmaster ar15 in 2004 for 950, my mom sold it for 1100 used in 2015 after he passed away

[Anonymous No.15703609]

>>15703482
Yeah I remember when even the GI mags got very hard to find during the panic when I did sell the 9mm I was sitting on.
I have to say as far as investments have ever gone though, guns and ammo were the best ones for me.
Obama salesman of the year 8 years running. Shit was cash.
Although I did learn my lesson hard. I will no longer be panic buying night elections close lol. Although I still did better than most guys in my area and could hit the range every weekend.

[Anonymous No.15703655]

>>15703411
I reload 500 Smith and Wesson magnum, and various other expensive rounds for literally less than a tenth of what store bought ammo costs. It's all relative to the caliber.

Handloading also allows you to make better and more accurate ammo for your gun. Dont reload normal fmj, reload hollowpoints and other expensive types of ammo.

Cast your own shotgun slugs and load em for ~20 cents, buy rare projectiles like ap or incendiary stuff and reload em, etc.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/42513008/

[Anonymous No.15703664]

>>15703237
Not tedious when you're loading a $1.50 cartridge for 70c, or making a round that isn't in factory production like plenty of light-for-caliber or heavy-for-caliber loads. You can do some really fun loads with .454 Casull like a round with 7.62x39 ballistics, or a 1500 fps load with a freaking rifle bullet made for .450 Bushmaster.

[Anonymous No.15703678]

>>15703491
Drum mags and all mags higher than 30 rounds are dumb but popular, they're for dumping on tacticool dweebs.

Unless you have a really good reason, then the magpul 60 round drum might be worth it but that's it.

[Anonymous No.15703683]

>>15703558
Dang I'm sorry for both your losses there. I had to sell off one of the rifles my grandfather left me not long after he passed away. Feel bad to this day for that.

[Anonymous No.15703694]

>>15703521
This. America cannot sustain the second amendment while becoming a minority white country.

[Anonymous No.15703718]

>>15703491
Also yeah that $250 M&P shield 1.0 is a perfect bang for the buck as far as concealed carry goes. I love mine, sold a $700 pimped out glock because I don't need something that fancy.

[Anonymous No.15703773]

>>15703460
It is a good idea. Though I have no idea whose stock you could invest in.

[Anonymous No.15703895]

>>15703468
Go to ammoseek.com

It's a link aggregator that will get you the best prices.

One of the most important types of ammo to hoard is .22 long rifle. Due to the way rimfire ammo production is set up, they have a very hard time increasing production to raise demand without building new assembly lines, which companies are very reluctant to do.

Almost every shooter in america owns something in this caliber, it is the cheaper round to shoot which makes it the first thing people rush to stock up on.


.22 ammo prices bottomed out in 2017 at 2.5 cents a round. Current price is 3 cents per round if you get a good deal, but it will be 4-5 cents relatively soon. The standard price for this ammo was 20 cpr from 2013 to 2015, with some people paying up to a dollar.

The panic got so bad that boomers would go to there walmart or local gun store the day new ammo would come into stock, and buy all the ammo only to resell it in the parking lot. It was insane.

[Anonymous No.15703909]

>>15703479
I'll just buy more ammo then.

I want some for personal use and for trade.

[Anonymous No.15703921]

>>15703491
Drum mags fucking suck. Dont use them. Get a 40 round pmag or ak mag.


The only drum that I've ever had work well is my 25 round vepr 12 gauge drum, and my d60 magpul ar drum. The rest have sucked.

[Anonymous No.15703935]

>>15703694
Youre fucking retarded if you think the 2nd amendment is a white only thing

>white people banned open carry because black people who were tired of being treated like shit actually used the 2A for its intended purpose
>waaaaaaah why are they trying to take guns from whytepeepo?

Superior intelligence everyone

[Anonymous No.15703946]

>>15703683
Thanks. I was pretty pissed at my mom about it, he had the Bushmaster, a bolt action .243 savage, Beretta 92fs, and a Taurus raging bull. We would often go to shoot together when I was a teenager. Fucking cunt

[Anonymous No.15704058]

>>15703341
Based

[Anonymous No.15704068]

OP, are you bullish on .22 lr?

I remember a not being able to find them a few years ago until I went to a boomer gun shop where they were selling 100 packs of CCI for $20.

[Anonymous No.15704153]

Does ammo go bad?
Or can I store it for 30 years like white rice

[Anonymous No.15704207]

>>15704153
It'll be fine, just try to keep moisture and heat away from it. But it's best to treat it like a rolling reserve and slowly work your way through it for training while also replenishing your supply.

[Anonymous No.15704239]

>>15704068
I'm extremely bullish. Just got 50k rounds for 3cpr shipped.

[Anonymous No.15704248]

>>15704153
Keep it in ammo cans and it'll last longer then you.

[Anonymous No.15704288]

>>15703935
https://www.bitchute.com/video/c7YzrbeLbJE/

The 2A's intended purpose was to secure a free and successful white ethnostate. Not to arm slaves.


Political views are largely genetic. American culture and by extension american laws will change as american demographics change.

[Anonymous No.15704487]

>>15703482
Goodie, I have a ton of extra 30 round AR 15 magpuls.

[Anonymous No.15704490]

>>15702911
How does an europoor invest in /k/ related stuff?

[Anonymous No.15704605]

>>15704490
Come to America

Go to eastern europe and smuggie stuff back

Make your own guns and ammo. Ask /k/ for help.

[Anonymous No.15704702]

>>15704288
Based

[Anonymous No.15704880]

>>15703255
based murderer

[Anonymous No.15704906]

>>15704288
Oh gee guess that means i better hand em over to the white people

[Anonymous No.15704931]

Eastern European ammo like 9x18 / 7.62 x39 / nugget food does not seem like a good investment at this time

In 2014, ak ammo was still only 25 cpr, compared to 18 cpr now. 556 ammo was over a dollar a round for m855. Buy it now for personal use but stay away from an investors standpoint.

[Anonymous No.15704977]

>>15704906
I dont want your guns fag, I just dont wanna be forced to live with you.


Your dad loved you more then other random kids your age right? Of course he did. You were his blood. People care about their own first.

[Anonymous No.15705254]

Anything loaded to "millitary-specification" in the ammo world gets dispraportionately hit by ammo shortages, because its what people want to be stocked up on in case of habbening.

Look at whatever LE / the millitary is using and copy them. I'll compile a short list for you biz bro's.


Federal flight control buckshot. This is top of the line shotgun ammo that can be had for a fair price, under 60 cents a round.

https://www.sgammo.com/product/12-gauge-ammo/250-round-case-12-gauge-00-buckshot-federal-le12700-flite-control-wad-9-pellet

Winchester milspec 00 buck is a poorer quality ammo, but its the same exact load made on the same assembly line as what the military is using, and that alone makes it desirable to people.


I'm certain guys at gunshows or in personal sales will pay 2 bucks a round for this stuff when the going gets bad. Guys in the know will also consider this a valuable item for trading for other types of ammo.

m855 / ss109 5.56mm ammo
This stuff sucks. here's a quick explanation of why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGPdVpH23KI
Regardless of this ammos performance, every military guy was issued this stuff during his service, and almost all of them have a huge hard on for it because of that. This ammo was also almost banned under Obama, which has made a lot of people think that its a lot better stuff then it is. You can get it for 25 cents a round at palmetto state armory right now, which is the lowest its been in a long time.

30.06 m2ap black tips
This is old cold war (or even somtimes ww2) Armor piercing ammo, pulled bullets can be had for as low as 75 cents, loaded surplus ammo can be had for as low as a dollar. These rounds are invaluable for use in a happening, and they also sell for a nice price when people are panic buying. Polygunbag is selling em for a decent price right now.

m855a1 /m80a1 is current us millitary issue ammo, its rare due to how new this stuff is, but it should be aquired immediately if you find a good deal.

[Anonymous No.15705345]

>>15702911
Bullets
Guns
Nicotine
Lighters/matches
Liquor
Water

In that order

[Anonymous No.15705367]

>>15702911
I own a safe full of bullets, bullion and an offline crypto wallet.
I also have 16 Ar-15s with home made bump stocks, come at me snowflakes

[Anonymous No.15705371]

>>15704977
>I just dont wanna be forced to live with you.
Then go back to northern europe

[Anonymous No.15705375]

>>15702911
Betobro here, will WILL take your little toys away, fag

[Anonymous No.15705381]

all this talk about buying bullets....I'll wait on my fort when you guys come crawling asking for medication
>stocking up on medicines and prescription pills

[Anonymous No.15705400]

>>15705254
Pistol JHP's (jacketed hollowpoints) are very subject to price fluctuations. The boat has already sailed on this one for some brands.

Federal HST's and speer gold dots are generally regarded as the best hollowpoints, they are used by the vast majority of law enforcement agencies in America.

Hsts were selling for 40 cents a round before the texas shooting. Now your lucky to see them for under 80 cpr. These bullets will demand prices somewhere north of $1.50 as the election closes in.

target sports usa still has good deals on gold dot bullets.

[Anonymous No.15705406]

>>15705367
>bullion
I'm a fan of Knorr myself

[Anonymous No.15705409]

>>15705381
Do both.

[Anonymous No.15705412]

>>15705375
>send people who dont want to get shot to take guns from someone who will shoot them for trying to to take them

[Anonymous No.15705470]

>>15705371
Speaking of northern Europe, it seems like nonwhites are just as willing and ready to try and conquer the holdings of others the moment they are given the chance.

My ancestors fairly conquered this continent, and I'm glad they did. The continued existence and prosperity of my people is non negotiable.

[Anonymous No.15705507]

>>15705470
Imagine believing anything (((they))) tell you.
Lol you'll see when its too late.

[Anonymous No.15705591]

>>15703460
Ruger is traded publicly.

[Anonymous No.15705602]

>>15703460
Personally I think palmetto fills their niche really well and will continue to do good in the coming years

[Anonymous No.15705604]

>>15702911
>currency
anon I'm not giving my bullet to anybody, I'll trade with seeds, meat and fresh veggies.

[Anonymous No.15705607]

>>15704153
He primers will eventually degrade but if kept dry and cool ammo can last well over a century.

[Anonymous No.15705607,2]

>>15705607,1
My friend was just looking for this information. Thanks