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15586482 No.15586482 [Reply] [Original]

UNIVERSITY IS A SCAM
I literally am just sitting in classes, listening to bullshit, doing homework and that is IT
I am losing my fucking mind doing all this bs.
University isn't to learn new shit, it's just to get a piece of paper so that you can become a full time wagie and get it up the ass for the rest of your life.

What do you think /biz/? Would you stick it out or just say fuck it and drop out?

>> No.15586514

I would have dropped out because I was in design school, which I could have learned on my own. And have. Waste of time. Only reason I would go to one is to learn advanced math, biology, chemistry, and other skills you cannot learn in the safety of your home (ie. get your hands on a real skeleton or mix chemicals)

>> No.15586518

>>15586482
What're you majoring in OP?

>> No.15586541

>>15586518
CS with a minor in Linguistics.
Literally most the shit that they are covering in class, I have already learned and or can learn online. Even the math part can be learned online.

>> No.15586797
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15586797

>>15586541
>CS
Yikes.

>> No.15586833

>>15586482
It's easy to learn individual skills online and breeze through uninteresting shit like data structures, it's common to have huge gaps in your knowledge if your self taught. The paper guareentees the employer that you have a certain amount of foundational knowledge and the ability to learn

>> No.15586845

>>15586482
It’s a scam if you let it be one, but that’s up to you. Obviously as far as straight up paying to be educated yes it’s scam, if you’re motivated and savy enough you can learn nearly everything you could at a university on the internet, but it’s more than that. If you go there thinking you are paying for someone to tell you to read a book then yes you are wasting your money. Make sure not to squander this opportunity.

>> No.15586852

CS is tough. There are no girls

>> No.15586858

Not going to university is a bigger scam, you'll just be working minimum wage for the rest of your life.

>> No.15586865

>>15586858
>go to uni
>work minimum wage anyway.
Much better.

>> No.15586871

>>15586865
if you end up working the same jobs as high schoolers after college the fault is yours

>> No.15586872

>>15586482
just wait until they have you on a soft skills unit, Don't forget S T A R

>> No.15586876

>>15586865
Maybe if you're retarded

>> No.15586916

Its useful like, if your at work and theres a problem to solve and you think oh yeah I vaguely remember covering something about his at uni and then you at least know what your looking for.

>> No.15586937

>>15586833
>IT
Data structures probably isnt a requirement for this major, but worthwhile to lean.

>> No.15586938

>>15586482
It's only a scam if you think that getting the paper alone is going to guarantee you a job; we've made it so any stupid fucker can do that these days. The point is to better yourself holistically. Only YOU can do that, no one is going to hold your hand and do it for you. If you thought that was what you were going to get out of it, you may as well drop and go into the trades.

For job seeking in specific, you have to develop yourself and actually make yourself an attractive candidate. That why you join professional clubs, network, get internships though school, and that's only the career orientated side of it. It's all about developing ways of showing people that you are exceptional.

>> No.15586955

>>15586833
you do realize that self taught programmers exist?

>> No.15586959

>>15586482
>University isn't to learn new shit, it's just to get a piece of paper so that you can become a full time wagie and get it up the ass for the rest of your life.
Yep. The quality in teaching has fallen dramatically since the early 2000's when they turned into businesses solely trying to take money rather than provide a useful role in society.

>> No.15586961

>>15586955
you can get into google without a degree.

>> No.15586969

>>15586955
>>15586961
Try it faggot lmao. I've noticed it's only brainlets that claim university is a "scam" and always bring up some rare exception of someone who made it without a degree, while disregarding all the failures.

>> No.15587004

>>15586482
>I literally am just sitting in classes, listening to bullshit, doing homework and that is IT

You are also told to be a good pleb and that being fucked by taxes is the price being paid to live in an enslaved society.

>> No.15587063

>>15586961
Although you can self-teach yourself and build up a resume to get work in coding, it's not as easy or as everyone makes it out to be and doesn't always work out perfectly, especially a spot in google. It's like when people say "Bill Gates dropped out of college and became successful, I don't need college!" Sure you can land jobs without being as smart as Bill Gates, but people act like the ideal situation works out for everyone.

>> No.15587244

>>15586482
if you came from a good HS, college is a scam. especially if you got past calc and diff EQs in HS. literal waste of energy

>> No.15588242

>>15586482
just get your piece of paper and try to fuck everything that moves, people don't go to uni to learn, but it is an excuse to be a fucking loser for 3-4 years, enjoy it op

>> No.15588251

>>15587244
The part that bothers me is that in terms of unique academic content university is not better than a series of youtube videos.

I have a degree and use almost none of the information I learn, yet no one in my job role is allowed to exist in my company without this degree or a very close equivalent.

>> No.15588253

>>15586482
If you’re not paying for college, just enjoy it. It beats wagecucking and NEETing

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15588263

>>15586858
So.... getting a loan and paying interest is a better option than rather than being in no debt at all?

>> No.15588269

University is an expensive day care for needy children who can't figure things out and needs lots of guidance and spoon feeding to get ahead in life.

>> No.15588281

If you're so smart why don't you start a university and scam others? That's what I thought, loser.

>> No.15588286

>>15588263
Considering the impact on your income if you don't study a meme major, yes.

>> No.15588324

>>15588286
I'd rather become a N.E.E.T. This clown world isn't worth the squeeze to live a decent life...

>> No.15588353

>>15588324
Becoming a NEET isn't viable unless your family is willing to support you or you're willing to be homeless

>> No.15588362

>>15586482
stick it out. Most jobs are shit. At least with IT, you can gain capital more easily

>> No.15588365
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>>15586482
lol I'm moving to a different country and never paying the loans off.
Just finish your bullshit studies and move somewhere else. You get a free degree and the US gets punished for scamming you. Win win. Rich people take out loans they can't pay all the time and get out of it, so why can't you?

>> No.15588370

>>15586871
literally retarded. Never heard of underemployment, boomer?

>> No.15588390

>>15588370
Boomer's right though, if you have the same jobs before and after college it means you've wasted a lot of time and money

>> No.15588409

>>15588365
Oh and earned income exclusion from living in another country means if you can put down 0 income on the taxes and not be garnished. After 20 years, the US will forgive your debt (basically they pay for your school for you). Since you are working overseas, the tax they throw at you for that is basically 0 too.
Most people don't know this, so they just live in cucked USA and work shit jobs and get their taxes and wages garnished like slaves.
All the smart people I know work in other countries after they got their degree.

>> No.15588424

>>15588390
>retard doesnt understand how the job market works
its not a "choice" to be underemployed, dipshit. Use a braincell next time so I dont have to explain this

>> No.15588442

>>15588424
what the fuck Anon, if you've picked a degree that's valuable and you're competent you can get a job. Seems like you have a very low locus of control and blaming external factors to reduce the blame on yourself.

>> No.15588446

>>15588442
seems to me you have no understanding on statistics

>> No.15588453

>>15588446
You wanna elaborate and make a point or just continue to tell me I don't understand

>> No.15588459

>>15588453
44% of 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed, boomer. Jesus christ.

>> No.15588469

>>15588459
and so does that not go back to my original point of college being a waste of money and time if you can't get a good job? Also, who's to assume this 44% have picked valuable degrees and are competent as I had previously mentioned

>> No.15588473

>>15586541
>>15586482
In all fairness OP, CS is far from the worst degree you could be doing. A lot of it is actually useful.

>> No.15588484

>>15588469
keep up.
>college being a waste of money and time if you can't get a good job?
Thats the thing, fool. This country forces you to take the gamble or get shitted on with NO hope of escaping poverty without a degree. This economy isnt the same as it was for boomers. Secondly, MY point is that underemployment is NOT a "choice". Thats ignorant.

>Also, who's to assume this 44% have picked valuable degrees and are competent as I had previously mentioned
boomers didnt even have to get degrees to get the same jobs that are basically exclusive to college grads now. You cant just expect everyone to be able to do some nursing degree for instance.

College is a waste of time, but you waste even more time by just sticking with a highschool degree (basically only gives you the ability to get poverty level jobs).

>> No.15588510

>>15588484
By "this country" I assume you mean America, but the same thing applies even in the colonies. If you've picked a valuable degree and you're competent you can still get a job despite a large portion of post-grads being unable to. It'd be stupid to infer everyone should take one degree, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't aim for what's valuable. What you're saying is right, but man I feel bad for you because it's not generally that way elsewhere. In Sweden two parents can support a family just fine working blue collar jobs with high school degrees because of the experience garnered from working right after secondary education.

>> No.15588550

>>15586955
You do realize it's you who needs to convince your potential employer, not the other way around? Sure, you could be the exceptional one who has the coding street cred with hundreds of accepted patches in Linux kernel and whatnot, but guess what? Not everyone is like that and for most people, convincing the employers without a degree is going to be hard.

>> No.15589158

>>15588550
>got a degree in Chemistry and a masters in molecular biology
>did this degree because I got a chemistry scholarship in high school
>teach myself programming
>get hired on an 80k a year salary in programming
Degrees are a scam, nothing I learned in those 5 years was worth it. I probably couldn't solve a basic kinetics equation to save my life. Just because boomers put their faith in the education system doesn't mean it works.

>> No.15589255

>>15588484
Fuck off little shit, get a better degree.

>> No.15589320

>>15586482
>>15586482
The program is suppose to get you in the front door of companies for internships on your summers. Either that or getting into a program with a built in internship program. Either way, you seem too stupid to realize the degree alone won’t get you shit

>> No.15589653

>>15586938
But couldn't you do the same thing even outside of uni? I already have a job as a part-time webdev for a local company. The pay isn't good, but it's good experience. The only reason I am going to this fucking place is because most jobs say "Degree required" on their hiring websites.

>> No.15589687

>>15588409
Yeah but isn't that highly illegal? Also when you apply for a loan you have to also get a co-signer. So if you dip, they would by default have to pay.

>> No.15589701

>>15589158
But that degree is probably what got you through HR. That is why I fucking hate this educational system.
My dad is Korean so I spent some time over there and it's even worse.
If you don't go to college you're essentially dead to everyone, yet even if you graduate college there is no for sure thing about you getting a job.
Literally the country just fucks you. America too.

>> No.15589751

It is a meme... Went fue CS, could have just taught myself but at least I look good on paper